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BumRushDaShow

(169,357 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:41 PM Nov 2024

Sexual orientation, gender ID on track to be on US Census Bureau survey by 2027

Source: ABC News/AP

November 7, 2024, 11:55 AM


Questions about sexual orientation, gender identity and changes to queries about race and ethnicity are on track to be asked in the most comprehensive survey of American life by 2027, U.S. Census Bureau officials said Thursday.

The new or revised questions on the American Community Survey will show up on questionnaires and be asked by survey takers in as early as three years, with the data from those questions available the following year, officials told an advisory committee.

The American Community Survey is the most comprehensive survey of American life, covering commuting times, internet access, family life, income, education levels, disabilities and military service, among many other topics, with a sample size of more than 3.5 million households.

Some of the revised questions are the result of changes the federal government announced earlier this year about how it categorizes people by race and ethnicity. The changes were the first in 27 years and were aimed at better counting people who identify as Hispanic and of Middle Eastern and North African heritage.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/questions-sexual-orientation-gender-id-track-us-census-115608861

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Sexual orientation, gender ID on track to be on US Census Bureau survey by 2027 (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 OP
How will they handle "refusals"... Some may prefer not to answer such invasive questions. hlthe2b Nov 2024 #1
This is apparently a "test" form to determine how to handle it BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #4
Lovely gay texan Nov 2024 #2
I know, right? Haggard Celine Nov 2024 #3
I agree n/t gay texan Nov 2024 #5
That's no one's business Marthe48 Nov 2024 #12
Problem with lawsuits to protect our rights is the courts now and they will only get worse soon. Attilatheblond Nov 2024 #44
yeah... Thus my question earlier as to whether or not they have a "refuse to answer" option. hlthe2b Nov 2024 #6
Yep - I have started to remove anything that identifies my orientation from online FreeState Nov 2024 #9
For a very, very long time I have answered female. I have 2 daughters and 4 gchildren. It is efhmc Nov 2024 #15
exactually what I just thought wintemark Nov 2024 #34
Not if all the rest of us claim to be LGBTQ+ Attilatheblond Nov 2024 #43
I sure hope we don't have to answer those questions unless we want to! mahina Nov 2024 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author mahina Nov 2024 #8
My best advice: lie. ananda Nov 2024 #10
Have they read Project 2025? TommyT139 Nov 2024 #11
With stuff like this, it was probably started a year or more ago... BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #13
Won't stop there HighFired49 Nov 2024 #31
This is nobody's business. End of story. badhair77 Nov 2024 #14
I wouldn't answer those questions Missmellyminx Nov 2024 #16
i won't answer those questions. barbtries Nov 2024 #39
Why would I tell a government agency something that I wouldn't tell any other stranger? LudwigPastorius Nov 2024 #17
With Trump at the helm, what could possibly go wrong? Initech Nov 2024 #22
Why??? niyad Nov 2024 #18
I think the intent was to be "inclusive" in the Census because it DOES track gender BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #20
Thank you. I admit, every alarm bell in my head went off. niyad Nov 2024 #21
I feel it in this thread BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #23
Years ago, in an online "over 40's group" to which I belonged, newcomers niyad Nov 2024 #19
Apparently for some questions in this "test" survey BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #24
I know what my answer would be... llmart Nov 2024 #26
LOL BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #28
No way I'm answering that now. Oneironaut Nov 2024 #25
He tried this with the last census..remember? We were late getting started because he wanted Deuxcents Nov 2024 #27
Biden wasn't President when the 2020 Census was being finalized BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #30
I'll fill it out and be ready vercetti2021 Nov 2024 #29
Everyone just tell them straight or straight to hell Blue Full Moon Nov 2024 #32
I will suffer from amnesia if I am sent any questionnaire while tRump is dictator. yaesu Nov 2024 #33
Well, Mr census taker.... wintemark Nov 2024 #35
A way for them to come and find people moniss Nov 2024 #36
my answer to every census taker or survey: Two. here. bye AZLD4Candidate Nov 2024 #37
prefer not to answer. barbtries Nov 2024 #38
I will bet it wont be there TheDemsshouldhireme Nov 2024 #40
Given the Jeezoid/Fundie tendencies of the incoming cabal Montauk6 Nov 2024 #41
I wouldn't feel too good about doing this in a Trump administration CanonRay Nov 2024 #42

hlthe2b

(113,836 posts)
1. How will they handle "refusals"... Some may prefer not to answer such invasive questions.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:46 PM
Nov 2024

I don't happen to be one of those who would refuse, but some might.

BumRushDaShow

(169,357 posts)
4. This is apparently a "test" form to determine how to handle it
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:52 PM
Nov 2024

Another excerpt from the OP article -

On the sexual orientation test question, respondents can provide a write-in response if they don't see themselves in the gay or lesbian, straight or bisexual options. The gender identity test question has two steps, with the first asking if they were born male or female at birth and the second asking about their current gender. Among the possible responses are male, female, transgender, nonbinary and a write-in option for those who don't see themselves in the other responses.

gay texan

(3,206 posts)
2. Lovely
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:46 PM
Nov 2024

So they know where all of the LGBTQ people are. I'm quite certian this info will never be misused under the new admin.....

Haggard Celine

(17,807 posts)
3. I know, right?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:51 PM
Nov 2024

If they ask me anything like that, I'm going to lie. It's so sad to say, but I don't think GLBTs are safe these days. We don't need to make it easy for the fascists to round us up.

Marthe48

(23,135 posts)
12. That's no one's business
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:25 PM
Nov 2024

and I hope there are law suits that go all the way to the (formerly) s.c. to be ruled against. Just for the historical record of what manical fascism looks like


Attilatheblond

(8,847 posts)
44. Problem with lawsuits to protect our rights is the courts now and they will only get worse soon.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:17 PM
Nov 2024

It's gonna be Animal Farm writ large when the 2025 Plan Billionaires get their way.

hlthe2b

(113,836 posts)
6. yeah... Thus my question earlier as to whether or not they have a "refuse to answer" option.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:59 PM
Nov 2024

FreeState

(10,702 posts)
9. Yep - I have started to remove anything that identifies my orientation from online
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:07 PM
Nov 2024

Yep - I have started to remove anything that identifies my orientation from online. I don’t trust the incoming administration at all. I will also not answer them on medical information moving forward.

efhmc

(16,616 posts)
15. For a very, very long time I have answered female. I have 2 daughters and 4 gchildren. It is
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:33 PM
Nov 2024

and always has been a truthful answer However, now I just want to answer "whatever". Why do you need to know this?

wintemark

(42 posts)
34. exactually what I just thought
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 12:52 AM
Nov 2024

it will be hilarious to see how America's GLBT population ebbs and grows depending on what the current dominate political philosophy is at the time

Attilatheblond

(8,847 posts)
43. Not if all the rest of us claim to be LGBTQ+
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:15 PM
Nov 2024

Skew the data and toss some glitter on the form, maybe after a light application from a glue stick.

Think of it like how the Danes, including the king, all turned out wearing a Star of David after the Nazis demanded all Jews in Denmark wore the Star.

And between now and then, let your LGBTQ+ friends know they have your love and support. If we do not hang together, we surly hang separately eventually. I think somebody wise and famous made that point a few years back.

mahina

(20,634 posts)
7. I sure hope we don't have to answer those questions unless we want to!
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:06 PM
Nov 2024

That seems very intrusive. What's next, religion? (shhh)

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

TommyT139

(2,349 posts)
11. Have they read Project 2025?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:21 PM
Nov 2024

All mentions of LGBTQ identities are going to be deleted from research and survey categories.

Sadly, this will have tragic and preventable consequences in terms of not only mental health outcomes, but the fight to end or at least extirpate HIV/AIDS --- which is currently within our grasp.

They will still, however, be able to access medical records, and will be able to see who is taking gender confirming hormones, PrEP, doxy-PEP, etc. So some of their draconian list-making can still go on.

HighFired49

(490 posts)
31. Won't stop there
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:40 PM
Nov 2024

They can still access all state marriage records and Social Security filings to see if you have a relationship with a same sex partner. It will be much easier to access these two records than medical records, I would bet.

LudwigPastorius

(14,682 posts)
17. Why would I tell a government agency something that I wouldn't tell any other stranger?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 06:03 PM
Nov 2024

Can't they just ask the NSA or Google? I'm sure they have all of our browser histories already.

BumRushDaShow

(169,357 posts)
20. I think the intent was to be "inclusive" in the Census because it DOES track gender
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 06:58 PM
Nov 2024

But unfortunately what has happened, which is being reflected in almost every post in this thread, is that people are now thinking of "the government" as "the-gestapo-in-waiting" due to what happened with this election.

BumRushDaShow

(169,357 posts)
23. I feel it in this thread
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 07:28 PM
Nov 2024

The past several decades, the LGBTQA+ community has fought to be "recognized" and with the Biden Administration listening to those calls, the Census Bureau was tasked to attempt to do that by finally providing some options to get someone's gender "right" (how individuals define it for themselves).

Now in the aftermath of this election and threats of "making lists", I can see how that would cause terror.

niyad

(132,221 posts)
19. Years ago, in an online "over 40's group" to which I belonged, newcomers
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 06:56 PM
Nov 2024

were generally asked a/s/l , standing for age, sex, and location, as a casual, non-required introduction. Many of us, being smartasses, had various smartass answers, such as: a- older than god, s- not nearly enough, and l-- wherever I want to be.

I am guessing that such answers will not be an option?

BumRushDaShow

(169,357 posts)
24. Apparently for some questions in this "test" survey
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 07:30 PM
Nov 2024

there are "write-in" fields, so someone might have at it there.

BumRushDaShow

(169,357 posts)
28. LOL
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:09 PM
Nov 2024

I think the original intent was to be "inclusive" because the Census DOES track various subjects by gender and the typical standard choice of "male" or "female' wasn't working for many in the LGBTQA+ community.

But now with a loon administration coming in, this brings about big concerns unfortunately.

Deuxcents

(26,785 posts)
27. He tried this with the last census..remember? We were late getting started because he wanted
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:49 PM
Nov 2024

To include this but I think the courts said to get the census started..it’s a constitutional timeline

BumRushDaShow

(169,357 posts)
30. Biden wasn't President when the 2020 Census was being finalized
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:12 PM
Nov 2024

but 45 was trying to get the "citizen" nonsense on the actual Census form and I think that was struck down by the courts.

yaesu

(9,295 posts)
33. I will suffer from amnesia if I am sent any questionnaire while tRump is dictator.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:57 PM
Nov 2024

I may reinvest myself, make up all kinds of shit like I am a God sent on a jewish space laser

moniss

(9,033 posts)
36. A way for them to come and find people
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:20 AM
Nov 2024

like back in the day. They used to compare college admissions lists with the lists at the local draft board. If you didn't show on the draft board list you might get a knock on the door.

40. I will bet it wont be there
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:19 AM
Nov 2024

when the next census actually rolls around, but not for reasons most on here would think.

Montauk6

(9,339 posts)
41. Given the Jeezoid/Fundie tendencies of the incoming cabal
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:39 AM
Nov 2024

This DON'T pass the smell test at all.

CanonRay

(16,161 posts)
42. I wouldn't feel too good about doing this in a Trump administration
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:09 PM
Nov 2024

Like signing your own death warrant.

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