International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister

[David Boyle]

Source: CNN

The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant over alleged war crimes.

In a statement on Wednesday, the Netherlands-based court said it found “reasonable grounds” to believe that Netanyahu bears criminal responsibility for war crimes including “starvation as a method of warfare” and “the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts.”

It rejected Israel’s challenge of the court’s jurisdiction over the matter.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/21/middleeast/international-criminal-court-issues-arrest-warrant-for-israeli-prime-minister/index.html

[ck4829]

1. I stand with the ICC

[David Boyle]

2. Many people do, I suspect...

Then again, I'm not sure how the ICC will enforce it...

[LymphocyteLover]

3. There's no question in my mind that he has committed war crimes and I hope he gets justice somehow

[David Boyle]

4. Curiously enough,

my post at https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219747536 gives one way that can happen... (at least removing him from office)

[David Boyle]

8. Whether you go to that post or not, you can do something

See the June 2024 David Hoffman The Hill article, "US recognition of a Palestinian state could change everything", at https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4718181-us-recognition-of-a-palestinian-state-could-change-everything/ , saying that if

"the United States were to recognize a Palestinian state, it would be a political tsunami that would likely topple Netanyahu’s extremist government, as a majority of Israelis are clamoring for... With a likely cease fire, the return of hostages, and prospects of a regional rapprochement between Israel and Saudi Arabia... It would be the bold, decisive act that would secure President Biden’s place in history."

So, here are links for you to contact Joe Biden and Kamala Harris:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/share/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/vicepresident/

Here's even a short template for you (tweak as you will):

"Dear President Biden [or Vice President Harris], please have the White House immediately officially recognize the State of Palestine, as the Vatican did in 2015. This may help bring justice for Palestine, relieve Israel of the burden of occupation, and create goodwill for America leading to the release of the seven U.S. hostages, and hopefully all hostages, in Gaza. You would be courageous and right to create Mideast justice and get back our hostages now, rather than leave it to Donald Trump's questionable competence.
Thank you,
Sincerely, [you]"

[Ponietz]

16. Why would "Genocide Joe" ride in to the rescue?

That’s what protesters called him. They hurt the Democratic Party in the election. Too many Muslims and Gen Z voted for Schlump.

Ya spins the wheel ya takes your chances.

[David Boyle]

33. He may do nothing

One can try, tho.

[Ponietz]

45. Muslims and their apologists tore Joe down and elected Schlump

As if Joe hadn’t worked non-stop for a ceasefire and sufficient humanitarian aid. Unfortunately, the Gaza pier didn’t work.

Hamas could release the hostages and end this today, but the fuckwits won’t renounce violence.13 months later still hiding under baby diapers and women’s skirts. It’s Hamas’ responsibility to see to the well-being of their people but they steal any aid coming in. Fuckwits is an understatement. Newsflash: Islam is not a religion of peace. I don’t want Biden to recognize a terrorist State. That’s insane.

Dance with who brung ya now.

[David Boyle]

48. Some Muslims, not all

Hamas are terrible people, but not all Palestinians are Hamas.

Islam has different elements (Sufis, etc.), just as Xianity produced MLK, but also... Mike Huckabee.

[Ponietz]

53. Sufis in Gaza don't live long

[link:https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-739943]

Palestinian human rights organizations have called for an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the death of a Palestinian man in a Hamas detention center in the Gaza Strip.
Mohammed al-Sufi, a 43-year-old Muslim preacher from Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, died hours after he was detained by Hamas police officers last Wednesday.
Sources in the Gaza Strip said Sufi was known for his criticism of Hamas leaders and their ties to Iran. The sources said that in recent sermons he criticized Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and other Hamas leaders for boasting of their close relations with Iran.
Sufi’s family said he was detained shortly after his return to the Gaza Strip from Egypt, together with his son Abdullah.

And you want the U.S. to recognize these degenerates. That’s idiotic.

[David Boyle]

56. Recognizing Palestine, not Hamas

One of these things is not (wholly) like the other!

As not all Israelis are Netanyahu...

[Ponietz]

58. You can't recognize Palestine as sovereign and at the same time try to supplant it's elected government

Doh!

SMDH
Unbelievable

[Mosby]

63. There is no elected government in the West Bank or Gaza.

You didn't know that?

[AZLD4Candidate]

68. Wrong. 2006 when Hamas won. Then there hasn't been one since because Hamas got the result they wanted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

[AZLD4Candidate]

69. hamas is their elected government. They elected terrorists and celebrated Oct 7th on the streets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

[Ponietz]

72. And nary a peep calling for new elections

If Palestinians in Gaza protested Hamas to the degree they’ve gone after Biden in the U.S. this crises would be over.

Elected or not, recognize Palestine only when a stable, civilized government (one that renounces violence) is in control.

[AZLD4Candidate]

76. look at the map. Gaza swept Hamas into power. Look at all that dark green.

[David Boyle]

78. Could be the other way around

If Palestinians have world respect, some of them may be less desperate and extreme.

[Ponietz]

86. Terrorist fuckwits don't deserve respect

The ball is in their court. Hamas is in charge. Renouncing violence and returning the hostages is the only way. They learned nothing from Gandhi, Mandela, or King. Their playbook calls for the destruction of Israel.

Founded as an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Its 1988 founding charter, steeped in Sunnī Islamist rhetoric, calls for jihad to take all of historical Palestine, resulting in the destruction of the State of Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_extremism]

[David Boyle]

89. Hamas aren't nice people

I agree they should renounce the desire to destroy Israel.

Yes, they could learn from MLK et al.

[Mosby]

87. Hamas won the '06 legislative election by a plurality

That didn't give them the right to remove by force the PA from Gaza.

Abbas’s term ended 15 years ago or so.

I don't believe we will ever see any more elections in the territories, when Abbas dies I think a civil war will break out amongst the clans, fighting for control of Fatah.

There is so much antisemitism in the UN I wouldn't be surprised if they vote to "create" a Palestinian country, but it's won't have any legitimacy, because it will represent just another attempt to ignore UNSCR 242/338.

[David Boyle]

88. There has been a lot of discord

Thanks for details.

[pierosct]

132. Hamas is not their elected government

Palestinian Authority, which represents the Palestinian state, is run by Fatah, not Hamas.

[David Boyle]

134. Thx

Good point.

[Eko]

93. What are we supposed to be like the republicans now?

If someone doesn't vote for us they are our enemies? Fuck them and the horse they rode in on? Joe's not like that fortunately. He does things because he thinks they are right to do.

[David Boyle]

96. I sure hopes so...

[artemisia1]

101. Yes, and in doing so they got militant Christian Israel supporter Huckabee as Israeli Ambassador. /nt

[David Boyle]

102. Surprise!

[Hieronymus Phact]

17. so then what happens

When that new country decides to continue bombing the Israelis?

[David Boyle]

31. Good question

Israel'd have the right to fight back, in that hypothetical.

[Joinfortmill]

5. Netanyahu's history as prime minister is long and complicated....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu

'Benjamin Netanyahu[a] (born 21 October 1949) is an Israeli politician, serving as the prime minister of Israel since 2022, having previously held the office from 1996 to 1999 and from 2009 to 2021.[3] He is chair of the Likud party. Netanyahu is the longest-serving prime minister in Israel's history, having served a total of over 17 years.'

[David Boyle]

7. Complicated, all right

[electric_blue68]

66. He helped foment the atmosphere that got Rabin assasinated so eff him from back then.

[David Boyle]

80. I remember that

Rabin's widow wasn't happy with Netanyahu, I recall.

[Israeli]

108. She refused to acknowledge him

at the funeral and declined his out stretched hand .

[David Boyle]

109. Nice music video that you link to

[Israeli]

111. its an answer to someone on here

that told me I should leave my country of birth as if I had anywhere
else to go to ......he doesnt like my Left wing politics .
Not all of us have dual citizenship
Its also a battle cry for those of us on the streets .

[David Boyle]

115. Glad you answered!

Everyone deserves a country.

[Israeli]

107. Yup

[David Boyle]

6. Whoops, didn't notice this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219748071

Posted earlier than mine. Although mine provides a link to the news.

[C0RI0LANUS]

9. Official ICC Statement on the Arrest Warrants

The ICC did not provide the arrest warrant as a public-facing document, but issued the following statement:

"The Chamber issued warrants of arrest for two individuals, Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr. Yoav Gallant, for crimes against humanity and war crimes committed from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024, the day the Prosecution filed the applications for warrants of arrest."

"The arrest warrants are classified as ‘secret’, in order to protect witnesses and to safeguard the conduct of the investigations."

Any nation that is a signatory to the ICC has an obligation to execute these arrest warrants.

The US, India, Indonesia, and China are not state parties to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute),[1] which founded the ICC in 2002.

These two PIFWCs can therefore safely travel to those four countries without fear of being detained.

Nota Bene: SC Jack Smith completed an assignment at the ICC prosecuting PIFWCs (Persons Indicted For War Crimes) before investigating #45.

Sources:

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court

[David Boyle]

30. Nice pic

[AZLD4Candidate]

70. Yet terrorists like Hamas get a pass from the ICC. Sorry, F them and the Hamas coddling UN.

[David Boyle]

85. But the maybe-dead Hamas guy did get mentioned by ICC

[Eko]

94. Not true.

Judges at the International Criminal Court (ICC) have issued arrest warrants for Israel’s prime minister and former defence minister, as well as the military commander of Hamas.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2exvx944o

[AZLD4Candidate]

10. And yet hamas leaders get nothing. smh.

[Lonestarblue]

11. Arrest warrants were also issued for Hamas leaders, two of whom have already been killed by Israel.

[AZLD4Candidate]

12. barely makes the news. there were two posts here about the icc against bibi.

I know why. it's because of that star on the Israeli flag.

Again, we Jews are always held to a double standard.

We get attacked, we caused it.
We fight back, we're wrong.

And antisemitism is the only bigotry that routinely gets dismissed.

[Redleg]

14. Disliking Netanyahu doesn't necessarily make one a bigot against Jews

It seems to me, in this case, that indictments for the leader of a nation state is a more serious act than indictments against known terrorists.

I don't deny that there is anti-Jewish bias in many places- I just don't see this particular instance as an example of it.

[AZLD4Candidate]

19. I don't trust anything Europe does when it comes to Jews, not given their history with Jews.

Murder is murder. Terrorist murders are less serious? Tell that to the hostages they took and the families. OMG, I can't believe what I just read.

NO Oct 7th. . .no war in Gaza. Simple and easy.

[David Boyle]

25. Not all Europeans are bad

Just saying.

[Redleg]

27. That doesn't sound biased againt Europeans

not at all.

[David Boyle]

37. Heh

[Redleg]

29. Not that simple

the conflict between Palestinians and Israel did not start Oct. 7.

[electric_blue68]

67. No doubt: no 10/7, no Gaza war. I want both Bibi, AND Hamas leaders held responsible equally. I'm also thinking while...

murder IS murder - that fact Netenyahu is a Head of State (vs an organization) that maybe conflates the issue in that poster's opinion.

[David Boyle]

84. Good to hold everyone responsible

[AllyCat]

18. BiBi is a monster. I don't support him.

I definitely support Israel and their people.

[AZLD4Candidate]

20. Agreed, but the ICC will pursue him harder than the hamas terrorist that started this shit on Oct 7th.

[AllyCat]

21. You are probably right unfortunately.

Wish they’d go after Putin too.

[David Boyle]

23. May happen one day...

Still wondering why Prigozhin, was that his name, didn't drive on into Moscow and remove him. Talk about going only halfway, then he got killed...

[ancianita]

54. The I.C.C. has gone after Putin and found him guilty of war crimes under the the Rome Statute.

Mr Putin bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes,
(i) for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), and
(ii) for his failure to exercise control properly over civilian and military subordinates who committed the acts, or allowed for their commission, and who were under his effective authority and control, pursuant to superior responsibility (article 28(b) of the Rome Statute).

https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/vladimir-vladimirovich-putin

So are all his military high command: Gerisamov, Shoigu, Sokolov. Kobylash, and some Russian ministers.

[David Boyle]

57. "'Putinyahu"

They are enemies in some ways, but not wholly unlike each other...

[David Boyle]

24. Am Yisroel Chai!

As the saying goes.

[David Boyle]

26. The post I cited didn't mention the Hamas leader,

otherwise I'd've mentioned it.

[David Boyle]

50. Correction

The post actually did mention him, I'm now seeing (maybe I didn't scroll down far enough at first,...)

"The court on Thursday also issued a warrant for Hamas official Mohammed Diab Ibrahim Al-Masri, also known as Mohammed Deif, who Israel says was one of the masterminds of the October 7 attack. Israel said it killed him in an airstrike in September but Hamas hasn’t confirmed his death."

Glad I finally caught that! (Though Israel claims he's dead anyway)

[AZLD4Candidate]

65. Bibi's indictment makes the headline. . .hamas is an afterthought. Yes, the media isn't biased.

[David Boyle]

83. Well, the Hamas guy may be dead

Sort of like "Weekend at Bernie's" or something.

[Richard D]

95. I listened to an NPR piece . . .

. . . on Lebanon war. They went on and on about every single thing Israel did in voices of horror and judgment, yet not once did they mention the thousands of rockets and bombs Hezbollah has attacked Israel with, with no provocation, that necessitated Israel taking Hezbollah out. It reeked of antisemitism. We liberals have gone in the wrong direction and are supporting the wrong side.

[David Boyle]

98. NPR should've reported Hezbollah violence

Am not sure liberals are on wrong side, though.

[David Boyle]

38. Thanks for clarification

[barbtries]

13. It would be lovely

and a signal to hope, if the same happened with TCFSF.

one possible charge in my opinion would be the tearing apart of migrant families during his first term. these are Crimes Against Humanity.

and make sure the jewish nazi Miller goes too.

[David Boyle]

22. Would not call him "Jewish Nazi" per se,

even if he is loathsome. Just saying.

[barbtries]

39. it such a contradiction in terms.

also i believe it is apt. and disgusting, he is one of the most slimy of all the characters orbiting around the orange disco ball of depravity

[David Boyle]

40. Well, he is unpleasant,

even if your term for him is controversial. -- Sorry to hear about your loss, mentioned in your tagline.

[barbtries]

41. Thank you.

she'd be 44 years old now.
[img][/img]

[David Boyle]

42. Lovely pic/person

Thanks for sharing.

[AllyCat]

15. Good.

[underpants]

28. Exactly 👍

[Traildogbob]

32. Huckabee will bring them all together with love.

And Barron will bring peace the middle east then leave with 2 billion from the Saudis.

[David Boyle]

35. HAW HAW!!!

[Vogon_Glory]

34. And so Netanyahu takes his place among

other brutal Middle-eastern and North African heads of state like the Assads of Syria, the people who ran the Sudan, the ghost of Saddam Hussein, etc,

I do not excuse Netanyahu for his actions but I still wonder what. Gaza would be like if Hamas hadn’t given Netanyahu a gold-plated excuse to do his worst.

[David Boyle]

36. A balanced post

Thanks... "Netanassad"! "Saddamyahu"!

[C0RI0LANUS]

43. Please meet Mr. Vladimir Trump Netanyahu

[David Boyle]

44. Eeeeee

Triple threat!

[C0RI0LANUS]

46. This triple threat is the New World Order (not the band) with Elon Musk facilitating and cleaning up the poop.

"Putin Says ‘New World Order’ Taking Shape After Trump Win



Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated President-elect Donald Trump in a speech overnight, saying he’s ready to meet and resume relations. (8 Nov 2024)

Source:

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/putin-new-world-order-taking-shape-speech-after-115634085

[David Boyle]

47. FAB cartoonz!

[LudwigPastorius]

49. Aww, no more jaunts across the Continent, Benny.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-spent-more-than-6-million-on-overseas-trips-in-2023-figures-show/

[David Boyle]

51. Pore fella

[onecaliberal]

52. Go arrest him.

[David Boyle]

55. He may not travel to Holland though...

[LetMyPeopleVote]

59. ALL 123 members of the ICC-- including nearly all of Europe, are now LEGALLY OBLIGED to ARREST Netanyahu and Gallant

Link to tweet

ALL 123 members of the ICC— including nearly all of Europe, are now LEGALLY OBLIGED to ARREST Netanyahu and Gallant if they set foot on their territory.

This a is a game changer.

Here's a breakdown of the members:

—Most of Africa.

—Nearly all of Europe, including the UK, Germany, France, and Italy

—Almost all Latin America and the Caribbean including Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico

—Asia: Japan, South Korea, and Afghanistan.

—Oceania: Australia and New Zealand.

Notable non-members:
- United States
- China
- India
- Russia

[Mosby]

61. The ICC prosecutor sexually harassed an aid.

The victim is trying to get an outside group to investigate because of the influence of Khan.

How do you suppose this helps Palestinians?

One of Netanyahus cabinet members thinks they should annex Gaza and WB as a response, that doesn't seem like a good idea.

Have people given any thought about why Israel keeps moving to the right?

[David Boyle]

73. If harassment happened, bad

Not all Israelis have moved to right, tho...

[Israeli]

110. Not by a long shot

[C0RI0LANUS]

64. Tens of thousands of our Labor Party brethren applaud the ICC arrest warrant against the Crime Minister.

https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/Z3FHqNMI.rk7RPlwTsEkbA--~B/aD0xOTM3O3c9MjkwNTtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/ap.org/45fae4bc66dad7b3de12d86bd2aa0d49

[AZLD4Candidate]

71. The same England that expelled Jews from their country for 300 years doesn't like Israel? I'm shocked.

[David Boyle]

81. May be Israeli Labor party? not UK Labour party, see fotos

Also, David Miliband, Jewish, was the UK Labour party leader for a while, fairly recently.

[Israeli]

112. Are you blind ?

Does that look like England to you .
Thats us .

[David Boyle]

116. Heh

[David Boyle]

74. Great fotos

Free speech lives in Israel!

[Israeli]

113. Thanks for the pics

but its not just Avoda (Labour) that are protesting on the streets , its all across the political spectrum.
Mainly its secular .
BTW Avoda and Meretz have combined into one party now called The Democrats.

See : https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byunvgydc

[David Boyle]

114. Thanks for political update

[C0RI0LANUS]

135. You're welcome. The leader of The Democrats, Yair Golan, retired as an IDF Major-General. Good pick.

MG Yair Golan (Ret) is intensely curious how a ceasefire can be reached with LH, but not with Hamas to get the hostages home.

BTW: Lahav 433 questioned Netanyahu's Chief of Staff Tzachi Braverman for over five hours regarding the PM on 7 Oct 2023.






Clever girl! I'm sure he won't mind at all.

[David Boyle]

82. But will it happen?

???

[Mosby]

60. All they did was unite Israelis

Israeli leaders from across the political spectrum united to condemn the decision by a three-judge panel of the international criminal court to issue arrest warrants for the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and the former defence minister Yoav Gallant.

Netanyahu’s office described the warrants as “an antisemitic decision … equivalent to the modern Dreyfus trial”, referring to the 1894 trial of a French artillery captain of Jewish descent that has become one of the most prominent examples of antisemitism.

Netanyahu added: “Israel rejects with disgust the absurd and false actions and charges against it by the international criminal court, which is a biased and discriminatory political body.”

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/nov/21/israel-politicians-condemn-icc-arrest-warrants-netanyahu-gallant

[David Boyle]

75. Well, they might look "weak" if they didn't

"Politics stops at the water's edge", etc.

[claudette]

77. It's about

time.

[David Boyle]

79. One could say...

Though the U.S. gov't doesn't seem happy...

[claudette]

92. I'm thinking

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innocent Palestinians are happy

[David Boyle]

97. Did you complete this thought?

[Donkey2]

90. Put the war criminal in Jail!

Lucky for us, our side has cancelled the arms deal and denied any more arms to Israel. We are sending more money to the enemies of Israel so they can defend themselves against the Middle East bully. If Trump had not won, our representatives in congress would have made "river to the sea" a done deal and brought peace to the region with Israel gone!

[David Boyle]

91. Your post confuses me

Not sure who your side is.

And if you want Israel to disappear, that may not be very nice.

[claudette]

99. I think it was

"gone" from Gaza and the West Bank. You seem to ignore the fact that an arrest warrant was issued for the leader of Hamas, too.
Both killed and are still killing innocents.

[David Boyle]

100. Thanks for answer, tho

re "innocent Palestinians are happy" in your last post, not sure what you meant.

We'll get there tho! Post 100! Woohoo!

[AKwannabe]

103. Lemme rec this! nt

[David Boyle]

104. I can't stop you!

[David Boyle]

105. "The ICC Warrants Over Gaza Are A Warning For The U.S., Too" in HuffPost

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/icc-biden-trump-israel-gaza_n_673f8f64e4b0fc93e3d12a55

"Differing approaches to the court could drive a split between the U.S. and Europe — traditional friends already likely to be at odds under a second Trump presidency over matters like trade, Ukraine and climate policy." [etc.]

[David Boyle]

106. "Netanyahu thanks Orbn for invite after ICC warrant, saying Hungary on 'side of justice and truth'", in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/22/benjamin-netanyahu-icc-yoav-gallant-mohammed-deif-israel-gaza

"Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Friday thanked his Hungarian counterpart Viktor Orbán for his show of “moral clarity” after inviting him to visit despite an ICC arrest warrant.

“Faced with the shameful weakness of those who stood by the outrageous decision against the right of the State of Israel to defend itself, Hungary” is “standing by the side of justice and truth”, Netanyahu said in a statement the day after the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for him and his former defence minister.

Netanyahu’s office also published what they said was a letter from Orban sent on Friday, in which he said he was shocked to learn of the ICC’s “shameful” move."

[howardmappel]

117. Good

70 year old white Jewish male here, went to Hebrew School, was Bar Mitvahed, donated to Israel growing up - NO MORE. I am an American FIRST. NOW, Israel is an apartheid state, the Ultra-Orthodox are racist, misogynistic POS, and Netanyahu and his followers/clique, as well as being ordinary criminals, are war criminals and guilty of crimes against humanity. Just as much as Goering, Goebbels, and Eichmann, and Netanyahu should expect to end up the same way. The phrase "a good Israeli" will end up bearing the same shame as "a good German." And I am afraid that with the incoming American Fuhrer, we will all own the shame of being "a good American," assuming of course that those of us who dare to oppose him might be rounded up.

[David Boyle]

118. I may have more faith in Israel than you do

But Trump is a danger, as you say. Shalom.

[David Boyle]

119. "Germany won't arrest Netanyahu 'because of its Nazi history'"...but, Italy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/22/germany-wont-arrest-netanyahu-nazi-history/

"Germany has suggested that it will not arrest Benjamin Netanyahu if he travels to the country because of its Nazi history.

...

A number of European countries, including the UK, have said they will respect the ICC’s decision.

But a spokesman for Olaf Scholz, the German chancellor, suggested the country would not carry out such an arrest due to its history and unique relationship with Israel.

...

Guido Crosetto, Italy’s defence minister, told RAI television on Thursday: “We would have to arrest them.”

He added that it was not a political choice but that Italy was bound as a member of the ICC to act on the court’s warrants."

Interesting.

[C0RI0LANUS]

120. Economics and intelligence cooperation are major factors in this ICC EU quandary.

Hungarian PM Viktor Orban is acting the part of a RW strongman supporting another RW strongman with his defiant invitation of Netanyahu. Life for the Roma of Hungary is described as "hell." Orban may as well as invite Vladimir Putin, Jair Bolsonaro, and Donald Trump for a summit that would be a 21st century "Pact of Blood."

British citizen Karim Khan KC is the ICC prosecutor on assignment at the Hague.

Germany is Israel's most important intelligence partner after the US and both Berlin and Jerusalem enjoy flourishing trade. Israel imports German-made cars, for example. See charts at bottom.

Regarding Italy, their intelligence relationship with Israel has only recently coalesced relative to Germany.

Economically, the Palestinian Territories imported more Israeli products than Italy before the war, but Italy exports oil to Israel.

Importantly, Italy has 1,000 soldiers in UNIFIL who have been endangered several times. Italian peacekeepers were wounded a few months ago by a reported IDF attack which Rome strongly condemned. Yesterday, four Italian soldiers were wounded by rocket fire allegedly fired by Lebanese Hezbollah or their affiliates. UNIFIL is investigating.

Footnote: This weekend Settlers in the West Bank attacked IDF Central Command Major-General Avi Bluth, calling him a "traitor" and "Israel hater."


IDF Major-General Avi Bluth




Sources:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/germany-is-israels-most-important-ally-after-us-says-new-envoy-in-berlin/

https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/deu/partner/isr

https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/isr/partner/ita

https://www.euronews.com/2024/10/10/italian-pm-meloni-calls-israels-attack-on-unifil-bases-in-lebanon-unacceptable

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/international/israeli-settlers-attempted-attack-on-senior-army-officer-unifil-attacked-in-lebanon

[David Boyle]

121. Incredible info!

Thanks!

[C0RI0LANUS]

122. I trust you and our community find it fruitful.

Too bad the "We the Petition" portal at whitehouse.gov was eliminated. VPOTUS Joe Biden watched Barack Obama launch it years ago.

100,000 signatures within 30 days would have received an official response from the White House on a policy issue Americans find crucial. Piecemeal emails may still be sent to the White House. Please see link below:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

[David Boyle]

123. I remember We the Petition

What was Joe thinking?

[C0RI0LANUS]

124. The interregnum period when Democrats were out of the WH probably had something to do with its retirement.

WH CoS Ron Klain should have thought better of it. We could have used it this year. Too bad.

The "We the Petition" program was just one of the reasons Obama made such a terrific POTUS.

[David Boyle]

125. Bibi gun... ha

[Israeli]

128. Footnote: This weekend Settlers in the West Bank attacked IDF Central Command Major-General Avi Bluth, calling him a "tr

Heading towards a civil war we are .

[David Boyle]

129. Yeah, scary.

Israel and the U.S. too...

[ck4829]

131. What a weird thing to base it off of

[David Boyle]

133. Well, German treatment of Jews is sensitive

So...

[wryter2000]

126. Can we make it so he can't come here?

Please.

[David Boyle]

127. Well, given our government...

...he may be setting up permanent residence here!!

[ck4829]

130. Right?