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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:37 PM Dec 2012

Scientists Link Gulf War Illness to Chemicals from US Bombings

Source: The Reno Dispatch

The 20-year mystery over Gulf War Illness, also known as Gulf War Syndrome, is finally close to being solved. The Reno Dispatch has learned exclusively that two new peer-reviewed scientific research studies whose findings are being released this week explain the enduring controversy over what caused many of the illnesses among literally hundreds of thousands of Gulf War veterans.

The first study confirms what many veterans already believed: weather patterns carried a massive toxic chemical cloud resulting from the U.S. bombing of Iraqi chemical weapon storage facilities a long distance before these chemicals ultimately fell on U.S. troops. This is being dubbed by some as the largest example of "friendly fire" in American history, because the so-called nerve and blister agents that dropped on American troops were supplied to Iraq by the U.S. before the Gulf War. These chemicals were then bombed by U.S. forces, which lifted them into the atmosphere and dropped on our own troops.

The second study confirms that Gulf War Illness reports were higher at the places where the sarin fell.

“Our peer-reviewed scientific findings bring us full circle by confirming what most soldiers believed when they heard the nerve gas alarms. The alarms were caused by sarin fallout from our bombing of Iraqi weapons sites,” James J. Tuite, who led the first study, said in a statement.

Read more: http://therenodispatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/bombshell-exclusive-scientists-link_13.html

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Scientists Link Gulf War Illness to Chemicals from US Bombings (Original Post) WilliamPitt Dec 2012 OP
Sarin - Saurin Berlum Dec 2012 #1
Assuming the sarin didn't come from the bombs being dropped NoOneMan Dec 2012 #2
This is funny? WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #3
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #5
Did it not occur Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #6
No, the warmakers NEVER consider any consequences to their actions other than Dont call me Shirley Dec 2012 #12
Like when they invaded Iraq (mistake) and didn't even plan how to fill the power void it created? octothorpe Dec 2012 #22
Just a few questions: naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #21
Wikipedia has a section on how Iraq got some of it octothorpe Dec 2012 #23
50% sounds about correct. unhappycamper Dec 2012 #24
Full-circle indeed ... GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #4
If I recall ... Mangoman Dec 2012 #7
Massive Pentagon Credibility Gap - 8 missing pages Berlum Dec 2012 #11
It always made me wonder... Mangoman Dec 2012 #25
Not sure I'm buying this. Rozlee Dec 2012 #8
He did have WMD in 1991. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #9
And we still have sick soldiers today from all these other conflicts. Rozlee Dec 2012 #16
But wait Mangoman Dec 2012 #10
I agree DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #13
Depleted Uranium seems to have dropped off the radar. progressoid Dec 2012 #15
I am sorry to hear about your family's suffering... Ash_F Dec 2012 #18
"The common denominator: Depleted Uranium. " dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #26
We have a winner! lbrtbell Dec 2012 #27
Uhhhhhh.... SoapBox Dec 2012 #14
My BIL died from a horrible MERSA like illness he picked up at the VA in Phoenix Sedona Dec 2012 #17
Just like agent orange Bozvotros Dec 2012 #19
And their fix for "Vietnam Syndrome" didn't really work bananas Dec 2012 #20
 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
2. Assuming the sarin didn't come from the bombs being dropped
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:45 PM
Dec 2012

Look, Im not saying its aliens....but....

Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #3)

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
6. Did it not occur
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:05 PM
Dec 2012

to anyone at the Pentagon that if you bomb stockpiles of nerve gas, then the nerve gas would be released into the air?

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
12. No, the warmakers NEVER consider any consequences to their actions other than
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:49 PM
Dec 2012

how much money will they get to make. Disgusting.

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
21. Just a few questions:
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:11 PM
Dec 2012

I believe 500,000 served in that war. Are you saying 50% fell sick?

Also, the article says that the US supplied the Sarin and Blister agents, is that true?

octothorpe

(962 posts)
23. Wikipedia has a section on how Iraq got some of it
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:29 PM
Dec 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Western_help_with_Iraq.27s_WMD_program

Not sure how accurate that is though, but it doesn't say the US gave them any. Although the US did give them biological samples for vaccine research. You have to wonder if they knew what they would ultimately be used for though. I always take anything like that with a grain of salt when I read it on wikipedia.
 

Mangoman

(100 posts)
7. If I recall ...
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:14 PM
Dec 2012

General Schwarzcoph testified about the event and claimed that the 8 pages from his log that covered those days has disappeared

Cover up from the start

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
11. Massive Pentagon Credibility Gap - 8 missing pages
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:14 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/518143/PENTAGON-ACCEPTS-A-ROLE-IN-CREDIBILITY-GAP-ON-ILLNESS.html?pg=all

"Frustrated by continued suspicion from the veterans community, the Pentagon acknowledges its own mistakes contributed to a credibility gap on its handling of Persian Gulf War illness...

"Only now is the military (claiming to be) painstakingly reconstructing a demolition operation in March 1991 that may have dispersed two tons of deadly sarin gas over an area crowded with U.S. troops...

"...Doubleday acknowledged the Pentagon made its own problems more difficult through poor management of the information it gradually uncovered about chemical weapons exposure in the Persian Gulf..."
 

Mangoman

(100 posts)
25. It always made me wonder...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:28 PM
Dec 2012

Why somebody would've volunteered for the military after this event , the military place the troops in a massive poisonous cloud and then when they became sick the military said "what sickness" and totally railroaded the troops with a cover-up

Who would sign up for that ?

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
8. Not sure I'm buying this.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:29 PM
Dec 2012

A lot of people in my unit got sick after they got home. But, today's Gulf War II vets are getting sick as well. The people of Basra started having babies with birth defects and high cases of childhood leukemia when we left after Desert Storm. The population of the former Yugoslav countries have experienced a 200% increase in malignancies since the Balkan wars, which our troops participated in. It's not just Americans; other troops in the UN have also reported sickness and their children have come down with birth defects, including my granddaughter, who has Goldenhar Syndrome, an affliction that has been seen in the children of Gulf War vets. Her mother, my daughter, served multiple tours of duty in Iraq. The common denominator: Depleted Uranium.

I say bullshit on the sarin story. That's still a way of trying to blame Hussein for having weapons of mass destruction and to protect our military industrial complex and one of it's greatest profit makers of all time, a radioactive killing machine that is destroying our own troops. We dropped 300 tons of DU in the first Gulf War and nearly 5,000 in the second, nearly 2,000 on Fallujah alone during the 2004 offensive. We've got over half a million claims going through the VA right now from troops afflicted with everything from direct combat injuries to PTSD and other ailments such as higher than normal kidney failure and other problems that I'm sure the VA hasn't even been able to tap because of the overwhelming numbers.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
16. And we still have sick soldiers today from all these other conflicts.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:28 PM
Dec 2012

Like that one unit from Iraq that half or more had malignancies. And the soldiers that have served around Fallujah that complained of headaches, stomach upsets, nosebleeds and skin problems. Granted, I do read a lot of gulfwarvets.com, which slants a little toward conspiracy (well, sometimes a lot), but they do have a lot of material at their fingertips about international cases and studies of sicknesses in veterans from every war. And of course I know that Hussein had WMDs. My taxes paid for them. It might also be that every modern war will have it's own "unfriendly fire" killer. With Vietnam, it was Agent Orange. With Desert Storm, it might be the Kamishiyah bombings. In Gulf War II, it may prove to be the toxicity of the high levels of DU. But, google "cancer and illness in Iraq War vets" and you'll hit a goldmine of articles and information. And I remain stubborn. The guys at the top love their DU. They'll throw up a smokescreen to draw blame away from it at all cost. It's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

Mangoman

(100 posts)
10. But wait
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:47 PM
Dec 2012

Saddam did have WMD during the first Gulf War it is a fact that we blew up the chemical depot

We know Saddam had these WMD we still have the receipts in our file cabinets for them

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
13. I agree
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:04 PM
Dec 2012

Something besides sarin is causing those defects.

I don't doubt that the chemical cloud had negative effects, but something else is causing the problems this time around.

I lost two buddies to Orange one year ago this month, 40-something years after the fact.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
15. Depleted Uranium seems to have dropped off the radar.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:23 PM
Dec 2012

I remember searching for info many years ago it (that's how I found this site *DU*). I hope they don't drag this out for decades like they did with Agent Orange.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
18. I am sorry to hear about your family's suffering...
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:47 PM
Dec 2012

...due to the cavalier use of these deadly materials. I hope one day justice can be served to those who did this to the Iraqis, the Balkans and our troops.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
26. "The common denominator: Depleted Uranium. "
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:59 PM
Dec 2012

I have read many many reports for years about this, reports from USA and from around the globe.
No doubt in my mind.

lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
27. We have a winner!
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:51 PM
Dec 2012

Yes, depleted uranium is the common denominator. Read up on it, or look at the horrifically deformed babies born to people in that region, to see what depleted uranium does. It's nightmarish.

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
17. My BIL died from a horrible MERSA like illness he picked up at the VA in Phoenix
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:31 PM
Dec 2012

He landed in the burn unit just before he died.

He was fine on Father's Day ( I saw him) and gone by Labor Day, 2005 or 2006.

It was awful!

Bozvotros

(785 posts)
19. Just like agent orange
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:12 PM
Dec 2012

20 years must be the accepted maximum amount of time our government has learned it can sit on a mountain of data about criminal negligence or callous indifference towards our own troops. It took awhile but we finally learned that Monsanto knew and our military commanders knew dioxin was a mutagenic, neurotoxic carcinogen right from the beginning. They went full bore ahead anyway.

Of course they fucking knew the risks of bombing nerve gas sites and god knows what other deadly substances we helped them build. They didn't care. They did it all out and lied because it would blemish their perfect little fix for the Vietnam syndrome... remember?

And now its depleted uranium dust and toxic gases from massive burn pits that will claim the life and future of this latest group of vets. But of course there isn't any real proof of that......

And for what? Somebody give me a reason, a good fucking reason any of these last three wars had to take place or why it was worth destroying the futures of those men lucky enough to survive.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
20. And their fix for "Vietnam Syndrome" didn't really work
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:40 PM
Dec 2012

If it had, they wouldn't have had to lie so much to sucker people into Gulf War II,
they wouldn't have had to rely so heavily on mercenaries,
they wouldn't have had to coerce tv networks into not covering the massive anti-war protests,
etc etc.

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