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BumRushDaShow

(169,540 posts)
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:29 AM Jan 2025

Trump admin tells agencies to start firing DEI staffers

Source: Axios

11 hours ago


The Trump administration is directing the heads of federal agencies to "take action to terminate" staffers of DEI offices, according to a memo from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management issued Friday night.

Why it matters: The White House purge of diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility (DEIA) programs and workers, begun Monday, is happening at lightning speed.

State of play: "[E]ach agency, department, or commission head shall take action to terminate, to the maximum extent allowed by law, all DEI, DEIA, and 'environmental justice' offices and positions within sixty days," the memo reads.

  • The memo updates a directive sent earlier this week that told agencies to submit written plans for executing a "reduction-in-force," i.e., layoffs, no later than January 31.
  • But the new memo says agencies should start issuing these reduction-in-force notices now.
  • It's not clear how many DEI staffers there are within the federal government, which employs millions of workers.
  • In many cases it may not be possible to simply fire these workers; processes for doing so will vary.


  • Zoom in: The memo Friday night follows a directive issued earlier this week that ordered department and agency heads to close DEI offices — some of which are tasked with addressing accessibility issues for disabled people.

  • Agencies were ordered to put staff on paid leave, as well as take down all DEI websites, social accounts, and "outward facing media." They were also told to withdraw any plans in the equity and inclusion space and cancel all trainings and contracts.
  • The directive included an email template that called on government employees to snitch on colleagues that were continuing these practices.


  • Read more: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/25/trump-dei-workers-fired
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    Trump admin tells agencies to start firing DEI staffers (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2025 OP
    It is not a change in policy, it is a hostile purge and attack. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #1
    The incentivizing of snitching Mike 03 Jan 2025 #2
    This is still in place, but the site was edited on Wednesday: mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2025 #3
    Ohhh, boy... what's next : / : ( electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #25
    So he's purging minorities from the Federal workforce lanlady Jan 2025 #4
    This 100% bronxiteforever Jan 2025 #8
    It's all about loyalty and leverage. Control. Civil service will need purging post Trump. If bucolic_frolic Jan 2025 #5
    I really don't want to have to work for another 4 years. COL Mustard Jan 2025 #19
    Fetterman, Snoop dog, et al..... Lovie777 Jan 2025 #6
    Also this act is unconstitutional.................. Lovie777 Jan 2025 #7
    so? the constitution constrained prior occupants of the oval, not this one rainin Jan 2025 #13
    Can you elaborate? I mean it is not illegal to fire federal employees. It happens all the time. Why specifically do kelly1mm Jan 2025 #28
    Tiny little hands, lighting another fuse. Prairie_Seagull Jan 2025 #9
    Move over DEI - here comes NEPOTISM purr-rat beauty Jan 2025 #10
    How long before HarryM Jan 2025 #11
    I am getting some whiffs of that now. OldBaldy1701E Jan 2025 #17
    : ( damn! electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #27
    Applications are being accepted at the Dept of Hate, Lies and Oppression. twodogsbarking Jan 2025 #12
    He is truly going mad with power. WTF. Initech Jan 2025 #14
    Where are the lawsuits? Are there any lawsuits about this??? OhioBack2Blue Jan 2025 #15
    Remember that this just happened BumRushDaShow Jan 2025 #16
    Yeah. Time card fraud and travel fraud are the biggest ones for us. COL Mustard Jan 2025 #26
    We have had BumRushDaShow Jan 2025 #30
    True. I've been amazed COL Mustard Jan 2025 #31
    The only time I would use mine BumRushDaShow Jan 2025 #32
    The ADA and 504 are laws - but most DEI departments were not created by Congress FBaggins Jan 2025 #20
    My thoughts Dan Jan 2025 #29
    This meshes with purging the IGs. Hugin Jan 2025 #33
    I assume that at least some of these employees are career (yes, I know what happens when I assume) COL Mustard Jan 2025 #18
    He's reclassifying many of them as "Schedule F" FBaggins Jan 2025 #21
    Back when OPM started going through their reclassification process BumRushDaShow Jan 2025 #22
    Every time the zealots get a little closer... Hugin Jan 2025 #34
    I had started in the gov't back under Raygun BumRushDaShow Jan 2025 #35
    My closest co-worker at the time was a refugee from AMC. Hugin Jan 2025 #36
    My lab ended up with at least one refugee from what was then DPSC (the Defense Personnel Support Center combo thing) BumRushDaShow Jan 2025 #37
    See what I wrote above BumRushDaShow Jan 2025 #23
    this is basically gutting all HR depts. Javaman Jan 2025 #24
    just imagine if he had acted this quickly on Covid prodigitalson Jan 2025 #38

    Irish_Dem

    (81,189 posts)
    1. It is not a change in policy, it is a hostile purge and attack.
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:32 AM
    Jan 2025

    Only white christian males will be employed.

    Mike 03

    (18,690 posts)
    2. The incentivizing of snitching
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:49 AM
    Jan 2025

    This is sure to increase the levels of already sky-high tension, anxiety, distrust and paranoia.

    lanlady

    (7,229 posts)
    4. So he's purging minorities from the Federal workforce
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:18 AM
    Jan 2025

    --I hope the people about to get fired without cause are able to join together and sue the pants off Orange Anti-Christ.

    bucolic_frolic

    (55,094 posts)
    5. It's all about loyalty and leverage. Control. Civil service will need purging post Trump. If
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:31 AM
    Jan 2025

    the world survives post-Trump.

    COL Mustard

    (8,199 posts)
    19. I really don't want to have to work for another 4 years.
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:29 PM
    Jan 2025

    I could retire any time I choose, but would rather not have to do four more years (it does sound like a prison term dunnit?)....

     

    kelly1mm

    (5,756 posts)
    28. Can you elaborate? I mean it is not illegal to fire federal employees. It happens all the time. Why specifically do
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 11:52 PM
    Jan 2025

    you believe this action is unconstitutional?

    purr-rat beauty

    (1,248 posts)
    10. Move over DEI - here comes NEPOTISM
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 01:28 PM
    Jan 2025

    Its ironic that this "meritocracy" trump is trying to push is eclipsed by the sheer incompetence of his appointees.


    OldBaldy1701E

    (11,114 posts)
    17. I am getting some whiffs of that now.
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:20 PM
    Jan 2025

    I keep coming across stories about people and businesses who are basically implementing that policy. Oh, they don't call it that, of course. But, the end result is the same.

    OhioBack2Blue

    (102 posts)
    15. Where are the lawsuits? Are there any lawsuits about this???
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:03 PM
    Jan 2025

    Are we just rolling over?

    The ADA and 504 are laws. Accommodations for students, veterans and others are not educational awareness raising exercises. They are necessary for people to be able to gain employment, live, and participate in society.

    Again, where are the lawsuits?

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,540 posts)
    16. Remember that this just happened
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:32 PM
    Jan 2025

    so there will be things going on "behind the scenes" that neither we nor the media would know about unless it directly impacts us in some way (i.e., through a family member, coworker, friend, neighbor, etc).

    Also from the OP -

    In many cases it may not be possible to simply fire these workers; processes for doing so will vary.


    There are only a few circumstances where someone in the federal government can be "terminated" on the spot if they are not in one of the "appointee" Schedules (and even then, there is a whole convoluted process required), and this is not one of them.

    COL Mustard

    (8,199 posts)
    26. Yeah. Time card fraud and travel fraud are the biggest ones for us.
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 10:25 PM
    Jan 2025

    Followed by testing positive on a drug test.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,540 posts)
    30. We have had
    Sun Jan 26, 2025, 04:50 AM
    Jan 2025

    at least one who made threats against a supervisor and harassed/stalked them after being put on Administrative leave. He was never "all there" but it eventually came to a head and he had to go (and he even continued the stalking after he was terminated).

    The most common infractions (although the eventual punishment varied) was misuse of a government credit card and misuse of a government vehicle. Those government credit cards are just too addictive for some and they seem to ignore the fact that the Administrative Officer gets a copy of the bills for every credit card in that office.

    COL Mustard

    (8,199 posts)
    31. True. I've been amazed
    Sun Jan 26, 2025, 07:11 AM
    Jan 2025

    At how many people use them at strip clubs and other places like that. Just dumb.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,540 posts)
    32. The only time I would use mine
    Sun Jan 26, 2025, 08:02 AM
    Jan 2025

    was for lodging (and rail or airfare if I had to travel that way when not using a GOV or POV). I didn't even use it for meals or incidentals or gas for the car or tolls or anything else (I used my own $$$ and just put in for reimbursement).

    And when we first got those GSA cards, they were Diner's Club ones that very few places took. They later contracted with American Express and when that contract was up, they moved to JPMorgan (as a Mastercard I think).

    And I remember the days BEFORE the government credit card when they would give us the cash as a cash advance upfront!

    FBaggins

    (28,705 posts)
    20. The ADA and 504 are laws - but most DEI departments were not created by Congress
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:23 PM
    Jan 2025

    Far too many were created by executive orders from the Obama and/or Biden administrations.

    There will certainly be lawsuits - and they may preserve some salaries - but there's no way to preserve the department if its existence relies on the consent of the guy in the room without corners.

    Dan

    (5,164 posts)
    29. My thoughts
    Sun Jan 26, 2025, 12:39 AM
    Jan 2025

    By eliminating DEI Offices and Staff - who do you complain to?

    Even if you’re in the private sector - you either submit an EEO complaint to your HR and they refer those complaints to their DEI departments, if they still have one. Then if your case has merit they can then recommend you go to the local government or federal government. But those offices no longer exist.

    So, yes they are getting rid of the minorities now - but the White men aren’t seeing the Forest because of the Trees. So, let me help you - once DEI Offices and staff are gone, then as they deploy more AI & automation, they are coming for you too. And to whom are you going to complain?

    White women - who generally aligned with White men and benefitted from EEO programs will also be targeted. Sexual discrimination etc., there’s no Offices or Staff to complain too.

    Also applies to the Disabled, Age Discrimination, etc., lots of people benefitted from the security of EEO.

    IMHO.

    Hugin

    (37,840 posts)
    33. This meshes with purging the IGs.
    Sun Jan 26, 2025, 08:35 AM
    Jan 2025

    The IGs are ultimately where whistle blower cases end up. It would appear the Retrumplicans are trying to barricade against the tsunami of litigation and investigation which occurred during the first Imposition. Like Vindman and thousands of others we never even heard about.

    COL Mustard

    (8,199 posts)
    18. I assume that at least some of these employees are career (yes, I know what happens when I assume)
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:27 PM
    Jan 2025

    But they can't just be let go, right? Don't they have rights to another position? This could trickle down through the ranks and end up letting some poor slob go who had nothing to do with any of this. Am I right, or way off base here?

    FBaggins

    (28,705 posts)
    21. He's reclassifying many of them as "Schedule F"
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:31 PM
    Jan 2025

    Which was a category he created late in his first term

    OPM moved to avoid a repeat of the category about a year ago. We'll just have to see how successful they were.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,540 posts)
    22. Back when OPM started going through their reclassification process
    Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:40 PM
    Jan 2025

    they got to about 60% of their own agency's positions before Biden came in and torpedoed the whole thing. However when they had done it, I think they included a 60 day "review period" before anything would go into effect and that gave enough time for Biden to repeal the classification EO.

    But that effort was just for OPM. Most other agencies had never gotten that far and some hadn't even gotten started... and as it is, reclassifications (and I had been through a couple during my career before retiring) takes time because they have to write up job descriptions and duties, etc. and then that has to get translated into Performance Review standards, etc.

    Hugin

    (37,840 posts)
    34. Every time the zealots get a little closer...
    Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:06 AM
    Jan 2025

    They think their dream is a so-called Right-to-Work (notice the double entendre there RIGHT-to-work? I did immediately. They think they are clever.) scheme.

    Even though this has been going on since at least the Civil War, I was there for one of the first attempts of the modern era. Shepherded by Gingrich.

    What thwarted it that time was in order to reclassify a position, it had to be re-advertised for at least 60 days. Meaning that anyone on the street who met the qualifications (or not) could apply. This was true of all of the positions that they were attempting to purge including those of their cronies, who were part of the scheme. As they were generally the would be supervisors of these reclassified departments and directorates.

    That attempt did eliminate over 90% of the WG (blue collar type slots) Where I was they went from over a hundred down to one. Who was soon gone.

    Over the years, this horseshit has cost the taxpayers billions of dollars in needless churning and lost productivity. Simply because someone is a bigot and can’t stand the thought of working with or under a female or other minority.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,540 posts)
    35. I had started in the gov't back under Raygun
    Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:07 AM
    Jan 2025

    and remember the initial efforts from Gingrich in the '90s with GPRA and other idiocy. But that was the last time (outside of all the base closures) when there were large numbers of RIFs going on. But the RIFs happened AFTER the budgets were decided not BEFORE.

    I think this may have also been when they got rid of (for the most part - at least in my agency) the GM classifications for managers and they ended up either under GS or SES.

    And agree about the WGs - we still had a few but only a few. I think most of that type of job ended up being contracted out, which is something the current GOP doesn't want to talk about - their initial assault on Civil Service was to contract it all out to private contractors and people don't realize that probably half of those who get paid by the federal government as government employees, ARE contractors. The biggest example being contracting out much of the IT work, leaving a few technician-type staff, SMEs and COTRs, with little or no "in house" programming, etc.

    Hugin

    (37,840 posts)
    36. My closest co-worker at the time was a refugee from AMC.
    Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:37 AM
    Jan 2025

    U.S. Army Materiel Command, also known as, A Million Civilians. When the RiF happened, I was on my way out the gate because he had literally four more days time-in-service. He felt really bad about that. Luckily, (or maybe not) I got pulled back in because I had a dual classification that afforded me some additional earned time-in-service. I somehow made it through four months working without pay. I did end up under an entirely different command, though. Which in those days was a really big deal and I had to re-start everything in my tenure from square one. I existed in HR purgatory for the next four or five years. I cringed every time I had mail with the Army letterhead.

    The AMC guy lasted for six months and was gone.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,540 posts)
    37. My lab ended up with at least one refugee from what was then DPSC (the Defense Personnel Support Center combo thing)
    Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:59 AM
    Jan 2025

    here in Philly, with their functions eventually getting broken up and parceled out during the alignment period, across other entities.

    Man... I know that had to be a nightmare for you.

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