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Wicked Blue

(9,024 posts)
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 08:21 PM Feb 2025

Key safety system off in Army helicopter that collided with American Airlines jet, senator says

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, Feb 6 (Reuters) - A key safety system was turned off on the U.S. Army helicopter that collided with an American Airlines (AAL.O) regional jet last week near Washington's Reagan Airport, killing 67.

Senate Commerce Committee chair Ted Cruz told reporters the Black Hawk helicopter had turned off its automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast (ADS-B), which is permitted for military aircraft.

"This was a training mission, so there was no compelling national security reason for ADS-B to be turned off," Cruz said after a briefing from the National Transportation Safety Board and Federal Aviation Administration.

In the deadliest U.S. air disaster in more than 20 years, the aircraft collided last week, with both aircraft plunging into the Potomac River. The helicopter was flying about 100 feet (30.5 m) over the maximum allowed for that route, the NTSB said earlier.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-safety-system-off-army-helicopter-that-collided-with-american-airlines-jet-2025-02-06/

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Key safety system off in Army helicopter that collided with American Airlines jet, senator says (Original Post) Wicked Blue Feb 2025 OP
Hhhhuuuuummmm! Bluethroughu Feb 2025 #1
Yea right.................. Lovie777 Feb 2025 #2
Conspiracy Mode: ON Maybe it wasn't a training mission. LiberalArkie Feb 2025 #3
This is one possibility. It was not a training mission. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #6
Actually, that would not have mattered. James48 Feb 2025 #4
By regular, do you mean Mode S? lostnfound Feb 2025 #5
What's going to come out in this investigation VMA131Marine Feb 2025 #7

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
1. Hhhhuuuuummmm!
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 08:23 PM
Feb 2025

Get badbreath in front of the cameras to answer questions, or is he at the strip club.

LiberalArkie

(19,919 posts)
3. Conspiracy Mode: ON Maybe it wasn't a training mission.
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 08:32 PM
Feb 2025

Early reports said that Coast Guard could not use choppers and had to bing in boats as there were way too many Army copters there. I can see the Army wanting to help, but it struck me weird cause the DC Fire and Coast Guard are the search people. And very professional at it.

James48

(5,255 posts)
4. Actually, that would not have mattered.
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 08:57 PM
Feb 2025

The helicopter did have its regular transponder on, and the radar screen at National clearly had the data of both aircraft on screen.

ADSB didn’t matter in this crash. There was no effect either way.

VMA131Marine

(5,338 posts)
7. What's going to come out in this investigation
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 09:46 PM
Feb 2025

is that the issues on board the Blackhawk that led to this crash were systemic and it was pure good fortune that this didn’t happen earlier. My guess is that if you look at all the rules broken and guidelines ignored by this Blackhawk crew you would find some combination on a large fraction of similar operations by military helicopters around the DC area. The normalisation of rule breaking/bending is a constant threat to safety and it always goes hand-in-hand with the justification that nothing bad happened the last time. And then it does and we realise how close to edge we have been for a long time.

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