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BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 03:48 PM Feb 2025

Trump administration orders federal agencies to provide lists of underperforming employees

Source: AP

Updated 2:28 PM EST, February 7, 2025


President Donald Trump’s administration has ordered all federal departments and agencies to provide lists of employees who are underperforming, as it seeks to shrink the workforce and awaits a court ruling related to its deferred resignation offers.

A memo sent by the Office of Personnel Management on Thursday directs the agencies to submit names of every employee who has received less than a “fully successful” performance rating in the past three years and to note whether the workers have been on performance plans.

The memo, which was viewed by The Associated Press, also emphasized that the agencies report any obstacles to making sure they have “the ability to swiftly terminate poor performing employees who cannot or will not improve.”

The memo seeks the employee’s name, job title, pay plan and other details, as well as whether that employee is “under or successfully completed a performance improvement plan within the last 12 months.” The office also is asking if an agency has proposed or issued a decision in such cases, and whether any action is being appealed or challenged, as well as any outcome.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/trump-federal-employees-lists-underperforming-layoffs-80755cea03a93c2b6d00e21fb1716e39

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Trump administration orders federal agencies to provide lists of underperforming employees (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 OP
But the eggs are too high..... Lovie777 Feb 2025 #1
Can we start with the Executive Branch of government, sire? Vinca Feb 2025 #2
This is the other shoe to the resign-or-else two step. Hugin Feb 2025 #3
Having been a supervisor during my federal career BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 #6
Maybe they actually did get the AI to work once in ever... Hugin Feb 2025 #7
LOL BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 #8
We have a Performance Appraisal Quality Level (PAQL) COL Mustard Feb 2025 #20
Ours changed multiple times over the years BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 #23
We're in pay bands COL Mustard Feb 2025 #25
Memories Betty Boom Feb 2025 #29
I'd start with Donald Trump. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2025 #4
Especially those who promised to bring down grocery prices and end wars in one day. ZZenith Feb 2025 #5
Maybe Trump will get a late night email from DOGE with a prancing Musk GIF for good measure. dgauss Feb 2025 #26
We should send them a real list of under-performing federal employees starting with Trump. waterwatcher123 Feb 2025 #9
Dirty little secret of lazy managers pfitz59 Feb 2025 #10
Half of eveyone is below average. Just remove all those people, and then ... eppur_se_muova Feb 2025 #11
I'm willing to bet the significant majority of employees have received Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #13
They can't just get rid of the people with the worst evaluations. Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #12
I posted the below in another thread (variations of it in other threads) - this was the last time they had a big reorg BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 #14
Trump should be number one on that list liberalgunwilltravel Feb 2025 #15
Will Trump AverageOldGuy Feb 2025 #16
Trump will be expensive. Turbineguy Feb 2025 #17
Trump has repeatedly been rated by scholars as the worst president Tanuki Feb 2025 #18
I would believe it if he were ranked COL Mustard Feb 2025 #21
They should all send in just one name: Donald J. Trump. n/t malthaussen Feb 2025 #19
Every agency should submit a list with one name on it for underperforming government employees: Martin68 Feb 2025 #22
Let's start at the top Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2025 #24
I know one iemanja Feb 2025 #27
How about the one in the White House? pandr32 Feb 2025 #28
The worst president this country has ever had is worried about everyone else's performance rating. milestogo Feb 2025 #30

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
3. This is the other shoe to the resign-or-else two step.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 03:59 PM
Feb 2025

It’s all subjective. Someone who you don’t like, they’re on the list. Whether or not they are doing their job.

The only good news out of this is that Musk’s goons didn’t get the dirt they were looking for, too much information. Maybe they’d convinced themselves that they could train up an AI in a few hours to identify these freeloading Federal employees. In hindsight, that’s absolutely plausible.

BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
6. Having been a supervisor during my federal career
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 04:06 PM
Feb 2025

I know that different agencies do their performance appraisals differently and I even remember when GPRA was "the thing" in the '90s, when my agency tried what some other agencies were using at the time - "pass/fail". We eventually went back to grading on different levels but I wouldn't be surprised if there are agencies that do "pass/fail" appraisals.

This just shows the idiocy of 45's people not even considering how varied these performance assessments are done from agency to agency.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
7. Maybe they actually did get the AI to work once in ever...
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 04:31 PM
Feb 2025

And it kept giving them piles of MAGAts, Trump appointees, capped off by Trump and Musk.

Oh, I would pay a pretty penny to see that list.

BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
8. LOL
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 04:41 PM
Feb 2025

I know I had some coworkers who were Rash Limpball listeners and they were okay as long as politics didn't come up. But both of them had some serious personal/family issues, which seems to be a perquisite for being a loon GOPer.

COL Mustard

(8,222 posts)
20. We have a Performance Appraisal Quality Level (PAQL)
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 04:20 PM
Feb 2025

It has only three levels:

5 is Exceptional
3 is Fully Successful
1 is Unsatisfactory

We grade employees on three separate elements, and if you get two 5s and a 3, you are still above 3 so fully successful. If you get two 3s and a 5, you're still at the fully successful level. Very few people get 1s.

I liked it better when you could rate someone as a 4, or as a 2.

BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
23. Ours changed multiple times over the years
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 06:53 PM
Feb 2025

in some cases, as a result of Union negotiations. We ended up ranging from "pass/fail" to up to 5 performance levels. The scoring would determine if someone got a cash award (if there was an awards budget) or a QSI (Quality Step Increase).

It was head-spinning at times. But then the one thing that the 45 admin is neglecting to realize/understand, is that when you have a poor-performing employee, they usually get put on a PIP (Performance Improvement Plan) and I have found that most times, you do get improvement after that because you get them focused. There tends to be a tiny few who are just unmanageable.

COL Mustard

(8,222 posts)
25. We're in pay bands
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 09:31 PM
Feb 2025

So we don't do step increases. In a lot of ways it's good because when you're in, for example, the 14/15 pay band, you don't compete again to go from 14 to 15. Of course it leads to grade creep sometimes, but that's usually managed with control points, but that can be a real morale killer.

Betty Boom

(447 posts)
29. Memories
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 10:24 PM
Feb 2025

Oh God, what an enormous waste of time and energy GPRA was. One of my worst memories of Federal service.

I only ever put an employee on a PIP one time, and they richly deserved it. Looking back, I can honestly say it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if someone like that would’ve been easier to terminate. She caused endless chaos and bad will among the entire staff and many many hours spent documenting violations and incidents.

However, I also had employees where I graded them less than satisfactory on perhaps one element on their performance plan. Someone like that deserves the chance to improve. What worries me is that these goons will come in and look at something like that and say that person is someone that needs to go. I can see this, causing all kinds of problems with performance evaluation and managers being torn about how to use the process in a way that helps employees improve, but also protects them at the same time.

ZZenith

(4,469 posts)
5. Especially those who promised to bring down grocery prices and end wars in one day.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 04:03 PM
Feb 2025

Egregious underperformance going on at 1600 Pennsylvania.

dgauss

(1,528 posts)
26. Maybe Trump will get a late night email from DOGE with a prancing Musk GIF for good measure.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 09:46 PM
Feb 2025

pfitz59

(12,704 posts)
10. Dirty little secret of lazy managers
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 04:47 PM
Feb 2025

Many government employees write their own efficiency reports. Especially folks in niche positions with little oversight. This sweeping edict is entirely subjective and encourages retribution. Just more of the same MAGA bullshit.

eppur_se_muova

(41,942 posts)
11. Half of eveyone is below average. Just remove all those people, and then ...
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 04:48 PM
Feb 2025

recalculate the average to reflect the new work force. Well, whaddya know, HALF of them are below the new average !

Lather, rinse, repeat, cutting the staff in half every time -- because, dang it, we still have too many BELOW AVERAGE -- or UNDEPERFORMING -- workers !!

Wiz Imp

(9,996 posts)
13. I'm willing to bet the significant majority of employees have received
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 05:52 PM
Feb 2025

a “fully successful” performance rating in each of the past three years.

Wiz Imp

(9,996 posts)
12. They can't just get rid of the people with the worst evaluations.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 05:47 PM
Feb 2025

There are Federal regulations that govern the layoffs of Federal employees. They must follow those regulations. An employees performance review is one of the criteria, but it is actually 4th on the list and has to be considered in conjunction with the other criteria: Tenure of employment, Veterans preference & length of service.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/

When an agency must abolish positions, the RIF regulations determine whether an employee keeps his or her present position, or whether the employee has a right to a different position. The regulatory requirements governing reduction in force are contained in Title 5, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 351. Federal agencies must follow the procedures contained in the Code of Federal Regulations when conducting a RIF. The law provides that OPM's RIF regulations must give effect to four factors in releasing employees:

1. tenure of employment (e.g., type of appointment);
2. veterans' preference;
3. length of service; and
4. performance ratings.

An agency is required to use the RIF procedures when an employee is faced with separation or downgrading for a reason such as reorganization, lack of work, shortage of funds, insufficient personnel ceiling, or the exercise of certain reemployment or restoration rights. A furlough of more than 30 calendar days, or of more than 22 discontinuous work days, is also a RIF action. (A furlough of 30 or fewer calendar days, or of 22 or fewer discontinuous work days, is an adverse action.)

BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
14. I posted the below in another thread (variations of it in other threads) - this was the last time they had a big reorg
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 06:14 PM
Feb 2025
H.R.3345 - Federal Workforce Restructuring Act of 1994

SUMMARY

Conference report filed in House (03/16/1994)

Federal Workforce Restructuring Act of 1994 - Amends Federal civil service law to eliminate various restrictions on employee training.

(Sec. 3) Authorizes temporary "buy-out" programs for encouraging selected groups of employees in the executive and judicial branches (except employees of the Department of Defense, Central Intelligence Agency, or the General Accounting Office) to separate from Government service, generally by April 1, 1995, by offering them lump-sum payments in order to avoid or minimize reductions in force (RIFs).

Requires: (1) such payments (the lesser of $25,000 or the amount of the employee's severance pay) to be paid from amounts available for the employee's pay, and, generally, to be fully repaid if the employee rejoins the Federal Government within five years of separation; (2) the elimination of one full-time equivalent position for each one vacated by reason of a lump-sum payment; (3) that there be no increase in service contract procurement by reason of this Act except where it is financially advantageous to the Federal Government; and (4) participating Federal agencies to make specified contributions to the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund based on the final rate of basic pay of each employee who retires early and receives the lump-sum payment for FY 1994 and 1995, as well as on the number of agency employees subject to the Civil Service or Federal Employees' Retirement System for FY 1995 through 1998.

Authorizes the Director of the Administrative Office of the United States Courts to establish a program for judicial employees consistent with this Act.

(Sec. 5) Sets annual limitations on the total number of full-time equivalent executive agency positions each year through FY 1999, subject to waiver under certain conditions, such as war or national emergency. Suspends further agency hiring in cases of noncompliance with such limitations.

(Sec. 6) Requires the Office of Personnel Management to submit annual reports on such "buy-out" programs to the Congress.

(Sec. 7) Provides for severance payments for certain employees under contract with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration who worked in Yellow Creek, Mississippi, and whose separation resulted from the termination of the Advanced Solid Rocket Motor Program.

(Sec. 8) Amends Federal civil service law and the Central Intelligence Agency Voluntary Separation Pay Act regarding optional forgiveness of the lump-sum repayment obligations of bought-out employees reemployed in positions for which there is exceptional difficulty in recruiting qualified employees.

(Sec. 9) Revises the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP), with changes providing all separating TSP participants with the same options for withdrawal.

(Sec. 10) Amends the Alaska Railroad Transfer Act of 1982 to: (1) allow application to employees of a State-owned railroad under such Act of the buyout provisions of this Act; and (2) reduce the amount of service time required for such employees who remained covered under the Civil Service Retirement System to carry both Federal health and life insurance benefits into retirement.



Clinton Signs Bill on Buyouts for Federal Workers

By The Associated Press
March 31, 1994


President Clinton signed legislation today intended to help reduce the Federal work force by about 273,000 people over the next five years by offering buyouts of up to $25,000 to employees who leave Government. "After all the rhetoric about cutting the size and cost of Government, our Administration has done the hard work and made the tough choices," Mr. Clinton said in a statement released in Coronado, where he is vacationing.

The legislation aims to help cut the full-time Federal work force to 1.88 million by the end of the fiscal year 1999 in a more compassionate and cheaper way than involuntary layoffs. The buyouts are expected to reduce the work force by nearly 12 percent over five years.

Under the bill, a Federal employee who has completed 12 months of continuous service could take severance pay or a lump sum of $25,000, whichever is less, on leaving the Government.

The employee buyout plan gained wide bipartisan support after it became evident that the reduction goals would not be reached through attrition or involuntary dismissals. Congressional investigators concluded that involuntary dismissals would disproportionately affect minorities and women.

(snip)


Another article on that -

AGENCIES GRANTED BUYOUT POWER AS CLINTON SIGNS BILL

LAW RAISES DOWNSIZING MANDATE TO 272,900 GOVERNMENT JOBS

March 30, 1994
By Stephen Barr

President Clinton signed legislation yesterday designed to speed the downsizing of the government by offering buyouts of up to $25,000 to federal employees who resign or retire early. "With the buyout authority granted by this legislation, agencies can target employees in unnecessary high-level jobs and maximize savings," Clinton said in a statement.

The governmentwide buyout authority will allow each federal department and agency to decide when to offer the cash incentives and where they should be offered within the organizations. The authority expires on March 31, 1995.

Office of Personnel Management Director James B. King has set up an office at OPM to provide information to employees and agencies. "Buyouts build on successful private-sector experience, and they make good management sense," King said.

The legislation also mandates that the government reduce the federal work force by 272,900 employees between 1993 and 1999, eliminating about 20,000 more jobs than was recommended by Vice President Gore's National Performance Review. "We welcome this action," said Office of Management and Budget Director Leon E. Panetta. He said the mandatory work force reduction "will bring the size of the bureaucracy below 2 million for the first time since 1966 and to its lowest level since 1950."

(snip)


This is the level of detail that has NOT been done with any of the crap going on right now. What they are doing is basically attempting to implement the "Unitary Executive" school of thought and interestingly enough, I saw that ABC News had an article on that today -

Trump and the 'unitary executive': The presidential power theory driving his 2nd term

ByAlexandra Hutzler
February 7, 2025, 11:57 AM

As President Donald Trump works at a breakneck speed to implement his second-term agenda , including wholesale firings and sweeping policy changes, he and his advisers assert his power over the executive branch is complete and can't be questioned. Still, his flurry of executive actions and orders spark a critical question: Does he have the power he claims to have? Multiple court challenges are underway trying to stop his attempts to end birthright citizenship and temporarily freeze federal loans and grants.

More legal pushback will unfold amid Trump's unprecedented purge of the executive workforce and reshaping of what Congress set up as independent agencies, the dismantling of which is largely being carried out by Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency.

Trump quickly fired 17 independent watchdogs and the director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Longtime Democratic Federal Election Commissioner Ellen Weintraub said Trump sent a letter removing her from the commission. His administration has directed all federal DEI staff be put on leave. The Justice Department fired more than a dozen of prosecutors who worked on Jan. 6 cases. Millions of employees were offered buyouts, with tens of thousands of people accepting them.

His administration has touted the moves as long-overdue cutting of waste in favor of a merit-based system. His critics slam them as a radical restructuring of the federal government aimed at consolidating presidential power -- and placing loyalty to Trump over regulatory agency expertise designed to be insulated from political influence.

(snip)


This is the kind of shit that John Yoo promoted.

Tanuki

(16,448 posts)
18. Trump has repeatedly been rated by scholars as the worst president
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 06:20 AM
Feb 2025

in US history, so let's make sure he's on the list.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/20/presidents-ranking-trump-biden-list

"Donald Trump finished 45th and rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness, trailing even “historically calamitous chief executives” who failed to stop the civil war or botched its aftermath.

Worse for the likely Republican nominee this year, his probable opponent, Joe Biden, debuted at No 14.

“Biden’s most important achievements may be that he rescued the presidency from Trump, resumed a more traditional style of presidential leadership and is gearing up to keep the office out of his predecessor’s hands this fall,” Justin Vaughn and Brandon Rottinghaus, the political scientists behind the survey, wrote in the Los Angeles Times.

Rottinghaus, of the University of Houston, and Vaughn, from Coastal Carolina University, considered responses from 154 scholars, most connected to the American Political Science Association."...(more)

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
22. Every agency should submit a list with one name on it for underperforming government employees:
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 05:20 PM
Feb 2025

Donald Jessica Trump.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,725 posts)
24. Let's start at the top
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 08:47 PM
Feb 2025

Donny boy who spends most of his time Tweeting, golfing or watching Fux Noise.

JD Vance who seems to have disappeared.

Eloon Musk who claims to be busy but spends most of his time annoying the shit out of people.

milestogo

(23,084 posts)
30. The worst president this country has ever had is worried about everyone else's performance rating.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 10:28 PM
Feb 2025

That takes the cake.

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