Hamas says it's suspending the release of Israeli hostages
Source: BBC
Hamas says it's suspending the release of Israeli hostages
Summary
-- Hamas says it's delaying the release of Israeli hostages until further notice
-- It says it's a response to Israel breaching the Gaza ceasefire agreement, which began last month
-- Israel calls the decision a "complete violation" of the ceasefire deal, and says it's putting its military on the "highest level of alert"
-- Three Israeli hostages were due to be released on Saturday
Live Reporting
Edited by Owen Amos and Sam Hancock
Israel says it's prepared 'for any scenario in Gaza'
published at 11:42
11:42
Breaking
Israel has now responded to Hamas's decision to suspend hostage releases. A statement from Defence Minister Israel Katz says:
"Hamas' announcement to stop releasing Israeli hostages is a complete violation of the ceasefire agreement and the deal to release the hostages.
"I have instructed the IDF to prepare at the highest level of alert for any possible scenario in Gaza and to protect the communities.
"We will not allow a return to the reality of October 7."
Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2056vkpkrgt
IronLionZion
(51,213 posts)by building Trump hotels in Gaza
Walleye
(44,741 posts)ShazzieB
(22,567 posts)I'm sure this will be no exception.
dutch777
(5,062 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)That fucking war will never end if neither side abides by the ceasefire terms.
Israel violated the terms. Nearly a hundred civilians killed. Did not allow in the 200,000 (?) tents that were in the ceasefire agreement. Other violations as well.
Hamas did not violate the terms. The NYT and others confirmed that. COGAT denies it of course lol.
Speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter, three Israeli officials and two mediators said that Hamass claims were accurate.
https://archive.vn/IpVOn
Hamas' threat to not release the hostages came as a result of Israel's ceasefire violations. And of course Trump's and Netty's provocations.
Happily they have now come to an agreement. Israel is surging aid and the tents and Hamas has withdrawn its threat to not release the 3 hostages.
TBH I don't think it will hold. Netanyahu does not want to proceed to the next phases - withdrawal etc - and will sabotage it.
brush
(61,033 posts)the ceasefire plan proceed to the finish. I think he's with trump's ethnic cleasing/seaside resorts plan.
AloeVera
(4,246 posts)The resort/development? Partly. But that's just a ruse and a cover for the real intention, which is the annexation and settlement of Gaza for Israeli settlers. He can't disappoint his ultra right-wing cabinet members who are chomping at the bit to resettle Gaza. The settlers are already lining up for choice locations. They just have to get rid of the Palestinians first, which is where Trump and his fantastical lies and manipulations come in.
brush
(61,033 posts)And will stop at nothing to make sure the ceasefire doesn't work and the cleansiing does.
AloeVera
(4,246 posts)They just can't feel the pain of others. Nor do they care.
Lovie777
(22,939 posts)Eff you shithole musk republicans
LeftInTX
(34,221 posts)"These violations include delaying the return of displaced persons to northern Gaza, targeting them with shelling and gunfire in various areas of the Strip, and failing to allow the entry of humanitarian aid in all its agreed-upon forms.
"Meanwhile, the resistance has fully honoured its commitments.
"Accordingly, the release of the Zionist prisoners, which was scheduled for Saturday, February 15, 2025, will be postponed until further notice, pending the enemys compliance and the retroactive fulfillment of the past weeks obligations.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2056vkpkrgt?post=asset%3Aba6e1ba3-cda7-4157-9736-bcf5bd761e59#post
I wonder if the cease-fire is off?
Archae
(47,245 posts)Translation: Jews.
I saw what happened during the previous hostage releases, they were abused, jeered, etc.
Hamas is for violence. Nothing less.
AloeVera
(4,246 posts)The ones that make it out of those Israeli torture and death camps alive? Missing limbs, minds gone, walking skeletons, walking dead?
Geez. You know, Palestinians are humans too.
Native
(7,358 posts)Oneear
(431 posts)Flip your Pennie be best to make a Bingo Card
maxsolomon
(38,694 posts)Hopefully they can put it back together and continue the releases.
What's left to bomb?
C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)
https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/INTERACTIVE-Gaza-before-after-1698313229


Nearly 100,000 buildings damaged or destroyed.
Sources:
https://apnews.com/article/satellite-images-israeli-airstrike-destruction-gaza-4477db1cfc39f38ac6cfff55330a7635
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67565872
Mike 03
(18,690 posts)Thanks for posting it. I know that Gaza is in ruins, but a map view is better. Chilling.
Who is going to want to vacation, breathing in that toxic, cancerous mess and sleeping over nebulized body parts?
C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)The children and families are still suffering birth defects in Fallujah. This is parallel to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors of the US atomic bomb attacks in Aug 1945.

Baby Fatima Ahmed, born with deformities.

So, who knows how much toxicity is baked into the Gaza environment now? And because of Gaza's density, the Palestinians suffered more in one year than the Ukrainians in three years of Putin's Nakba.
Sources:
https://conflictandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1752-1505-5-15
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1134142704

ICC-indicted war criminal and pal of Donald Trumpf, Benjamin Netanyahu.
EX500rider
(12,575 posts)Depleted uranium (DU) shells are armor-piercing munitions that contain depleted uranium and since hamas has no armor I doubt the IDF used any.
I imagine the biggest danger to returning Gazan's will be the IED's left by hamas
C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)IEDs, unexploded IDF munitions (UXO), raw sewage, diseases from decomposing bodies still under rubble, all pose dangers to the Palestinian people in Gaza.

Palestinians are standing next to an unexploded bomb (UXO) dropped by an Israeli F-16 warplane in Deir al-Balah, central Gaza Strip, on 15 Jan 2024. (Photo: Majdi Fathi / NurPhoto via AP).

Ahmad Shabat and his uncle Ibrahim Abu Amsheh at the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Deir el-Balah, central Gaza Strip. Ahmad lost his family and his legs to an IDF bomb. (Photo: Atia Darwish /Al Jazeera)

There may even be a potential rabies threat to the people in Gaza because of the stray dogs.
About depleted uranium (DU), chemists in Lebanon accused the IDF of using DU during the 2024 bombardment.
The use of such types of internationally banned weapons, especially in densely populated Beirut, leads to massive destruction, and their dust causes many diseases, especially when inhaled."
Imagine breathing the air around this?

The IDF used bunker buster bombs to destroy four residential blocks in the attack on Beirut targeting Nasrallah (Photo: Getty)
Maybe we'll learn more about how much lead and other toxins the IDF left in Gaza after the UNEP conducts an inspection.
Sources:
https://www.newarab.com/news/has-israel-used-toxic-depleted-uranium-lebanon
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/12/15/hondsdolheid-honger-een-arts-per-zevenduizend-mensen-wat-betekent-veilig-in-gaza-a4184345
maxsolomon
(38,694 posts)Surprised there's so much intact in central and southern Gaza per those maps.
C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 10, 2025, 05:34 PM - Edit history (1)
Source:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/30/israel-to-free-110-palestinian-prisoners-in-latest-gaza-ceasefire-exchange
Richard D
(10,018 posts)The prisoners (not hostages) Israel is holding are terrorists, murderers, bombers, and Hamas. The hostages Hamas kidnapped from Israel were young people who just wanted to dance and innocent Kibutzniks, many of whom were committed to peaceful relations with Gaza.
We should take it easy on the false equivalencies!
C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)Before 7 Oct 2023, the IDF was holding 5,200 Palestinians incommunicado, including 170 children. The only way the Palestinians could get their uncles, fathers, brothers, cousins, or sons out of IDF detention was the 7 Oct 2023 attack to seize hostages for a prisoner swap. Thanks to D/Mossad David Barnea, two such swaps took place in Nov 2023.
After 7 Oct 2023, the IDF conducted mass arrests of Palestinians, like the 1919 Palmer Raids in the US.

Israeli security forces arrest a Palestinian outside Jerusalem's Old City on Friday, 13 Oct 2023 [Mahmoud Illean / AP Photo]
Sources:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/21/number-of-palestinian-prisoners-in-israel-doubles-to-10000-in-two-weeks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_prisoner_exchange
Richard D
(10,018 posts)Oct 7 as acceptable?
C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)How many hostages did the IDF abduct since Oct. 7?
How many Israeli prisoners are being held in Gaza, and how many of them were tried and convicted of murder?
quakerboy
(14,858 posts)How many palestinians who are currently held in Israeli jails have been through a full and fair court process before being imprisoned?
I genuinely don't know the answer. I do know that the political portion of Israels government doesn't have a reputation for fair or honest dealings. I dont really know much about the judicial portion.
On the greater topic of this thread.. has israel kept the terms of the ceasefire? Has the Palestinian side kept the terms of the ceasefire? If not, who broke it first?
I've been too busy trying to keep up with the devolution of my own country to pay as much attention to international matters as I'd like.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)And you do know that none of the Palestinians in Israeli jails were abducted and are being held hostage, don't you?
Hence the false equivalency.
And on the greater topic of this thread: if you are talking about the cease fire currently in place, so far the terms of the agreement have not been violated, at least technically. Until today. By suspending their obligations under the agreement, Hamas is now in clear violation. But none of it changes the aforementioned false equivalency.
quakerboy
(14,858 posts)Unfortunately if any of the prisoners held by Israel are also held without fair due process, say due to angry soldiers or at the behest of bibi trying to use the situation to maintain power, that would introduce legitimate equivalency.
As to the other.. reading the article.. is hamas wrong about israel blocking aid, blocking people from returning home, or continuing to carry out strikes in Gaza, or are they wrong about those being violations of the ceasefire?
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)There is no equivalency between apples and pork bellies. Holding hostages is not subject to due process under any circumstances, and violating due process is itself subject to due process, even in the cases where it is being violated.
And Hamas does appear to be wrong aboutblocking aid and blocking people from returning home under the terms of the cease fire agreement. It is on them to not just claim a violation, but to demonstrate it. So far, their claims is all they got, and their suspension of the terms of the agreement is very real indeed.
questionseverything
(11,823 posts)I find it odd how the idf separates the two communities as if its a different war
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)In fact, there is only one war, and Hamas is the most active belligerent against Israel in this war. The only connection between the West Bank and the war is Hamas militants operating in the West Bank.
Speaking of separating the two communities: the Palestinian Authority has been pounding the West Bank in the same manner IDF has.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/15/israel-hamas-war-palestinians-crackdown-gaza-ceasefire-idf/
Trying to present an explanation for why some Palestinians might turn to Hamas and violence to gain any sort of leverage when dealing with the vastly more powerful Israel.
Never fear, though, for I see the forces of willful ignorance and blind prejudice have risen to correct the situation and make sure it's clear that Israel doesn't make mistakes and all Palestinians, whether they are children or the elderly, are clearly terrorists if they are being held.
Trials and charges aren't necessary. They got detained, ergo, they are guilty. What's left to prove?
https://truthout.org/articles/report-israel-detaining-record-number-of-palestinian-children-without-charges/
https://time.com/6366734/palestinian-child-detainees/
https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/conditions-for-children-in-israeli-detention-deteriorate
https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-837695
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)and, by extension, any other atrocity including but not limited to nuclear annihilation, is to choose a supertior enemy to attack.
This military tactic used to be called suicidal and idiotic. But these days, it appears to have gained the status of a legitimate explanation for being suicidal and idiotic.
TiberiusB
(526 posts)Nobody "justified" any such thing. That's the strawman that keeps getting thrown up as a refute the fact that people can become so desperate, they resort to violence, or may support groups that they otherwise might reject (just google Hamas support before and after Israel's invasion). It's also a typical response to the conflict in Gaza overall, which ignores decades of strife and boils it down to "Oct 7, Hamas bad, Israel good".
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)"All you have to do to justify" atrocities is not an accusation against anyone trying to to justify anything. It is a declaration of the consequences of your line of argumentation which shows a fatal flaw in it. Your argument is flawed regardless of anyone trying to justify anything.
Just as "fact that people can become so desperate, they resort to violence, or may support groups that they otherwise might reject" is not a fact but a speculation, a speculation that demonstrates the aforementioned flaw in pellucid clarity. While you are not, as you previously have, mentioning Hamas and violence to gain leverage, you nevertheless maintain your original position that there is no limit in justifying atrocities if only the degree of desperation, in the eyes of the perpetrators, warrants it.
You are not the first one promoting this universally refuted proposition.This is the logical extreme in following the Macchiavelian "end justifies means" maxim.
C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)
Gali Baharav-Miara is Israel's first female Attorney-General and prosecuting Benjamin Netanyahu for gross corruption. We could have used her in the US dealing with Trumpf.
Mosby
(19,491 posts)That was more than 4 years ago.
C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)
Netanyahu's case is reminiscent of Trumpf's courtroom tactics of delaying and stalling. In 2019, Netanyahu entered his plea at the hearing which had been previously postponed because of the COVID pandemic. He is accused of bribery, fraud and breach of trust in three separate cases known as 1,000, 2,000 and 4,000.

Anti-Netanyahu protesters demonstrated outside the court. He was dubbed the "Crime Minister." (Reuters)
The three indictments:
Case 1,000 - Fraud and breach of trust: he is accused of receiving gifts - mainly cigars and bottles of champagne - from powerful businessmen in exchange for favors.
Case 2,000 - Fraud and breach of trust: Netanyahu is accused of offering to help improve the circulation of Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot in exchange for positive coverage.
Case 4,000 - Bribery, fraud and breach of trust: as PM and minister of communications at the time of the alleged offence, Mr Netanyahu is accused of promoting regulatory decisions favorable to the controlling shareholder in the Bezeq telecom giant, Shaul Elovitch, in exchange for positive coverage by Mr Elovitch's Walla news site.

Netanyahu wearing a face mask in line with public health restrictions due to the coronavirus pandemic, enters the court room with his lawyer as his corruption trial opens at the Jerusalem District Court, Sunday, 24 May 2020. (Photo: Ronen Zvulun / Pool Photo via AP)

Billionaire oligarch Arnon Milchan testified that his gifts of pink champagne and cigars to Benjamin Netanyahu and his wife may have been "excessive." (Photo: Reuters)
COVID and the Gaza and Lebanon wars (Nakba 2023-24) delayed the proceedings.
A Canadian newspaper, the Hill Times wrote:
Israel's prime minister is playing for time with the war, using it to avoid his criminal corruption trials, and an inquiry into whether he could have prevented Hamas brutal attack. The longer thats put off, the better for him.
In the meantime, the International Criminal Court (ICC) at the Hague indicted and issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu and former DM Yoav Gallant for alleged war crimes against Palestinians in Gaza and Bibi underwent a surgical procedure.

Netanyahu arrives in the Tel Aviv District Court to give testimony in his criminal trial, 10 Feb 2025. (Photo: Tomer Appelbaum / pool)
When the trial finally recommenced, allegations of witness tampering emerged. Three senior aides to Netanyahu were indicted on charges of witness intimidation on Tuesday, for having sent a car with a megaphone to the home of a key witness in Netanyahus criminal trial in 2019 in order to harass him. The three aides indicted were Ofer Golan, who served as a spokesman for the Netanyahu family and the director of the Likud election campaign in 2019; Jonatan Urich, who served at the time as a strategic adviser and a senior official in Likuds election campaign staff; and Yisrael Einhorn, who served as a Likud spokesman.
Sara Netanyahu was accused of intimidating witnesses and Attorney-General Gali Baharav-Miara ordered an investigation of her.

A poster depicting Sara Netanyahu, with a slogan in Hebrew which reads 'investigation now' is pictured, in front of the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv on 11 Jan 2025. (Photo by Jack GUEZ / AFP)
An indictment is merely an allegation. All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-04-09/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-corruption-trial-shows-he-received-something-far-more-valuable-than-money/0000017f-edb5-d4cd-af7f-edfde8750000
Archived:
https://archive.is/mxw1x
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-senior-netanyahu-aides-indicted-for-witness-intimidation-in-pm-s-corruption-cases/ar-AA1yOLRP
https://www.timesofisrael.com/criminal-probe-launched-into-sara-netanyahu-over-allegations-of-witness-tampering/
https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu
https://www.jpost.com/influencers-24/50jews-24/article-822480
https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2024/09/05/netanyahu-is-israels-curse/433174/
Archived:
https://archive.is/FuUE1
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66035997
https://www.timesofisrael.com/have-you-no-shame-netanyahu-accuses-prosecutors-of-stitch-up-in-court-tirade/
Mosby
(19,491 posts)They indicted 3 Netanyahu aids for what they did 6 YEARS AGO. Apparently they might be facing 3 whole years in prison. Wowzers. That's some hard core shit, know what I mean.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-senior-netanyahu-aides-indicted-for-witness-intimidation-in-pms-corruption-cases/
In the United States of America we call this "freedom of speech". But that's probably going away.....
C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)The wheels of justice move slow at times, Mosby, but they do move.

Mosby
(19,491 posts)I am trying to get a BP med figured out. It's a weird one, very strong, and clears out of my system in barely a day. I like it because there are no side effects for me, but if I take too much my BP dropped too low.
C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)LeftInTX
(34,221 posts)prisoners released. They insist on terrorists being released instead. They want the terrorists back. The rock throwers are of no value to Hamas. In 2011, it was 1027 prisoners in exchange for one hostage. One of those prisoners released was Sinwar.
At the first hostage/prisoner exchange in 2023, Israel sent lists over and Hamas rejected some of those scheduled for release. So Israel had to draw upon more violent criminals for release. Hamas didn't want 16 year old rioters. They want hard core. They want Hamas back.
It seems to be the way they do business over there...
List of some of the terrorists released in the 2011 swap at the link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange#:~:text=Netanyahu%20responded%20to%20a%20pilgrimage,talks%20on%20his%20son's%20release.
Avalon Sparks
(2,751 posts)Theres no way to even know that without due process.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Dozens of them have been tried and convicted of murder.
FullySupportDems
(445 posts)Not snark, I'd like to see the facts
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)And a few more, for good measure:
https://democraticunderground.com/10143385989
yardwork
(69,352 posts)C0RI0LANUS
(3,017 posts)louis-t
(24,614 posts)and restarting sale of weapons to Israel had NOTHING to do with this?
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)And I am still not getting how Trump or Netanyahu or Kushner made them backpeddle on delivering the hostages in accordance with the cease fire agreement.
yardwork
(69,352 posts)That's not Israel's fault. It's Trump's fault.
questionseverything
(11,823 posts)Deep State Witch
(12,707 posts)Starving your hostages then releasing them won't make the Western liberals love you.
iemanja
(57,751 posts)Israel, in turn, accused Hamas of a "complete violation of the ceasefire agreement" and said it had instructed the Israeli military "to prepare at the highest level of alert for any possible scenario in Gaza and to protect the communities".
mikewv
(254 posts)This is old news from Monday Feb 10. Why is this appearing here?
mahatmakanejeeves
(69,704 posts)Mon Feb 10, 2025, 11:55 AM - Original version with no edits. (Show)
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Thanks for asking, and good evening.