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mahatmakanejeeves

(69,704 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 12:55 PM Feb 2025

Hamas says it's suspending the release of Israeli hostages

Source: BBC

Hamas says it's suspending the release of Israeli hostages

Summary
-- Hamas says it's delaying the release of Israeli hostages until further notice

-- It says it's a response to Israel breaching the Gaza ceasefire agreement, which began last month

-- Israel calls the decision a "complete violation" of the ceasefire deal, and says it's putting its military on the "highest level of alert"

-- Three Israeli hostages were due to be released on Saturday

Live Reporting
Edited by Owen Amos and Sam Hancock

Israel says it's prepared 'for any scenario in Gaza'
published at 11:42
11:42

Breaking
Israel has now responded to Hamas's decision to suspend hostage releases. A statement from Defence Minister Israel Katz says:

"Hamas' announcement to stop releasing Israeli hostages is a complete violation of the ceasefire agreement and the deal to release the hostages.

"I have instructed the IDF to prepare at the highest level of alert for any possible scenario in Gaza and to protect the communities.

"We will not allow a return to the reality of October 7."

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2056vkpkrgt

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Hamas says it's suspending the release of Israeli hostages (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2025 OP
Trump will fix all of this IronLionZion Feb 2025 #1
Well Donnie? It's your responsibility now Walleye Feb 2025 #2
True, but he doesn't ACCEPT responsibility for anything! ShazzieB Feb 2025 #39
Not surprising but so tragic for the hostages and their families. Any way you cut it, the killing will continue sadly dutch777 Feb 2025 #3
I guess trump told netanyahu that jared is ready to start building those resorts. Think. Again. Feb 2025 #4
So who's at fault now? The IDF continued air strikes or Hamas' suspension of hostage release? brush Feb 2025 #5
Hi brush, AloeVera Feb 2025 #54
I'm with you on warmoner Netanyahu. IMO he'll do anything he can to not let... brush Feb 2025 #55
Sure, the ethnic cleansing part. AloeVera Feb 2025 #56
Whether it's for resorts or plots for loyalists, I know the warmoner wants the Gazans gone. brush Feb 2025 #57
Sadly agree. AloeVera Feb 2025 #61
Damn it...... Lovie777 Feb 2025 #6
Here is Hamas' statement LeftInTX Feb 2025 #7
"Zionist prisoners" Archae Feb 2025 #8
Have you sern the condition of the Palestinian prisoners? AloeVera Feb 2025 #52
doesn't sound that way, but if they don't meet their commitments by the 15th, I bet it will be off then. Native Feb 2025 #9
Gaza Blow UP is coming with Donald Trump wanting Gaza and Hostages looking hungry Oneear Feb 2025 #10
Both sides have delegations in Qatar right now maxsolomon Feb 2025 #11
Hi maxsolomon. Not much left to bomb. From space, Gaza looks like a wasteland. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #18
That is a remarkable graphic. Mike 03 Feb 2025 #37
Hi Mike 03. Boy, did you say it. After the 2004 Battle of Fallujah, the US left Depleted Uranium (DU) residue. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #40
"who knows how much toxicity is baked into the Gaza environment now?" Close to none? EX500rider Feb 2025 #46
Hi EX500rider. Thanks. That was an example of post-war toxicity, like the radiation left in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #47
That was a rhetorical question. We know it's been decimated. maxsolomon Feb 2025 #62
The IDF is much more powerful than Hamas and still holds thousands of Palestinians in security detention without trial. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #12
A slight clarification is needed Richard D Feb 2025 #13
Hi Richard D C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #15
Are you rationalizing... Richard D Feb 2025 #16
Hi Richard D. I'm just explaining what the adversary does and why. That was my job for 27 years vs Al Qaida, ISIS, GRU. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #17
No, this is not an explanation. It is an an attempt at false equivalency. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #19
how many were not? quakerboy Feb 2025 #21
But you DO know that NONE of the hostages have been through ANY legal process, don't you? Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #24
that is true. quakerboy Feb 2025 #42
That wouldn't introduce legitimate equivalency at all. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #43
The idf has pounded the west bank constantly during the ceasefire questionseverything Feb 2025 #32
It IS a different war. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #36
Bold TiberiusB Feb 2025 #23
Under this premise, all you have to do to justify hostage taking, Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #25
uh, no TiberiusB Feb 2025 #41
Speaking of fallacies... Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #44
Ave! to a fellow Roman. Thank you for your comment and the links. Keep an eye on this femme fatale: C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #27
Charges against Netanyahu were filed in 2019. Mosby Feb 2025 #48
Hi Mosby, how are you? Let me bring you up to speed on Bibi's corruption trial. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #49
Hey look at this. Mosby Feb 2025 #50
Hi Mosby. How are you? Thank you, I saw that report. Bibi has a mini-Watergate problem going. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #58
I'm OK, thanks for asking. Mosby Feb 2025 #59
Perhaps your salt intake has to be adjusted. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #60
It's true that Israel holds alot of low level prisoners who deserve to be free. However, Hamas does not want those LeftInTX Feb 2025 #26
Sure Jan Avalon Sparks Feb 2025 #22
The overwhelming majority of prisoners that have been released so far have gone through due process. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #29
Source for that please? FullySupportDems Feb 2025 #31
Just a small sample I looked up in my spare time. By no means complete: Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #38
I find your cartoon to be offensive. Please delete it. yardwork Feb 2025 #28
Now what are you going to do for me, yardwork? C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #34
Gee, and trmp saying he will turn Gaza into a resort town louis-t Feb 2025 #14
My guess is, Hamas either ran out of living hostages or can't find them. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #20
USAID doesn't exist to provide food and relief to Gaza. yardwork Feb 2025 #30
The evil one and Israel's leader have worked hand in hand questionseverything Feb 2025 #33
They Need to Give Them Some Food Deep State Witch Feb 2025 #35
Here is some of the actual article iemanja Feb 2025 #45
Not new news mikewv Feb 2025 #51
Because that's the day I posted it, at 11:55 a.m. mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2025 #53

ShazzieB

(22,567 posts)
39. True, but he doesn't ACCEPT responsibility for anything!
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 06:10 PM
Feb 2025

I'm sure this will be no exception.

dutch777

(5,062 posts)
3. Not surprising but so tragic for the hostages and their families. Any way you cut it, the killing will continue sadly
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 12:59 PM
Feb 2025
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
5. So who's at fault now? The IDF continued air strikes or Hamas' suspension of hostage release?
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:04 PM
Feb 2025

That fucking war will never end if neither side abides by the ceasefire terms.

AloeVera

(4,246 posts)
54. Hi brush,
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 07:55 PM
Feb 2025

Israel violated the terms. Nearly a hundred civilians killed. Did not allow in the 200,000 (?) tents that were in the ceasefire agreement. Other violations as well.

Hamas did not violate the terms. The NYT and others confirmed that. COGAT denies it of course lol.

The current standoff stems in part from Hamas’s accusation that Israel has not upheld its promises for the first phase of the cease-fire. Israel was required to send hundreds of thousands of tents into Gaza, a promise that Hamas says Israel has not kept.

“Speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter, three Israeli officials and two mediators said that Hamas’s claims were accurate.”


https://archive.vn/IpVOn

Hamas' threat to not release the hostages came as a result of Israel's ceasefire violations. And of course Trump's and Netty's provocations.

Happily they have now come to an agreement. Israel is surging aid and the tents and Hamas has withdrawn its threat to not release the 3 hostages.

TBH I don't think it will hold. Netanyahu does not want to proceed to the next phases - withdrawal etc - and will sabotage it.
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
55. I'm with you on warmoner Netanyahu. IMO he'll do anything he can to not let...
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 08:03 PM
Feb 2025

the ceasefire plan proceed to the finish. I think he's with trump's ethnic cleasing/seaside resorts plan.

AloeVera

(4,246 posts)
56. Sure, the ethnic cleansing part.
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 08:19 PM
Feb 2025

The resort/development? Partly. But that's just a ruse and a cover for the real intention, which is the annexation and settlement of Gaza for Israeli settlers. He can't disappoint his ultra right-wing cabinet members who are chomping at the bit to resettle Gaza. The settlers are already lining up for choice locations. They just have to get rid of the Palestinians first, which is where Trump and his fantastical lies and manipulations come in.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
57. Whether it's for resorts or plots for loyalists, I know the warmoner wants the Gazans gone.
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 08:30 PM
Feb 2025

And will stop at nothing to make sure the ceasefire doesn't work and the cleansiing does.

LeftInTX

(34,221 posts)
7. Here is Hamas' statement
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:15 PM
Feb 2025
"Over the past three weeks, the leadership of the resistance has monitored the enemy’s violations and its failure to comply with the terms of the agreement.

"These violations include delaying the return of displaced persons to northern Gaza, targeting them with shelling and gunfire in various areas of the Strip, and failing to allow the entry of humanitarian aid in all its agreed-upon forms.

"Meanwhile, the resistance has fully honoured its commitments.

"Accordingly, the release of the Zionist prisoners, which was scheduled for Saturday, February 15, 2025, will be postponed until further notice, pending the enemy’s compliance and the retroactive fulfillment of the past weeks’ obligations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2056vkpkrgt?post=asset%3Aba6e1ba3-cda7-4157-9736-bcf5bd761e59#post



I wonder if the cease-fire is off?
 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
8. "Zionist prisoners"
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:19 PM
Feb 2025

Translation: Jews.

I saw what happened during the previous hostage releases, they were abused, jeered, etc.

Hamas is for violence. Nothing less.

AloeVera

(4,246 posts)
52. Have you sern the condition of the Palestinian prisoners?
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 07:34 PM
Feb 2025

The ones that make it out of those Israeli torture and death camps alive? Missing limbs, minds gone, walking skeletons, walking dead?

Geez. You know, Palestinians are humans too.

Native

(7,358 posts)
9. doesn't sound that way, but if they don't meet their commitments by the 15th, I bet it will be off then.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:19 PM
Feb 2025

Oneear

(431 posts)
10. Gaza Blow UP is coming with Donald Trump wanting Gaza and Hostages looking hungry
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:24 PM
Feb 2025

Flip your Pennie be best to make a Bingo Card

maxsolomon

(38,694 posts)
11. Both sides have delegations in Qatar right now
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:25 PM
Feb 2025

Hopefully they can put it back together and continue the releases.

What's left to bomb?

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
37. That is a remarkable graphic.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 05:57 PM
Feb 2025

Thanks for posting it. I know that Gaza is in ruins, but a map view is better. Chilling.

Who is going to want to vacation, breathing in that toxic, cancerous mess and sleeping over nebulized body parts?

C0RI0LANUS

(3,017 posts)
40. Hi Mike 03. Boy, did you say it. After the 2004 Battle of Fallujah, the US left Depleted Uranium (DU) residue.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 06:26 PM
Feb 2025

The children and families are still suffering birth defects in Fallujah. This is parallel to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors of the US atomic bomb attacks in Aug 1945.


Baby Fatima Ahmed, born with deformities.




So, who knows how much toxicity is baked into the Gaza environment now? And because of Gaza's density, the Palestinians suffered more in one year than the Ukrainians in three years of Putin's Nakba.



Sources:

https://conflictandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1752-1505-5-15

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1134142704



ICC-indicted war criminal and pal of Donald Trumpf, Benjamin Netanyahu.

EX500rider

(12,575 posts)
46. "who knows how much toxicity is baked into the Gaza environment now?" Close to none?
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 10:02 PM
Feb 2025

Depleted uranium (DU) shells are armor-piercing munitions that contain depleted uranium and since hamas has no armor I doubt the IDF used any.

I imagine the biggest danger to returning Gazan's will be the IED's left by hamas

C0RI0LANUS

(3,017 posts)
47. Hi EX500rider. Thanks. That was an example of post-war toxicity, like the radiation left in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 02:01 AM
Feb 2025

IEDs, unexploded IDF munitions (UXO), raw sewage, diseases from decomposing bodies still under rubble, all pose dangers to the Palestinian people in Gaza.




Palestinians are standing next to an unexploded bomb (UXO) dropped by an Israeli F-16 warplane in Deir al-Balah, central Gaza Strip, on 15 Jan 2024. (Photo: Majdi Fathi / NurPhoto via AP).




Ahmad Shabat and his uncle Ibrahim Abu Amsheh at the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Deir el-Balah, central Gaza Strip. Ahmad lost his family and his legs to an IDF bomb. (Photo: Atia Darwish /Al Jazeera)




There may even be a potential rabies threat to the people in Gaza because of the stray dogs.


About depleted uranium (DU), chemists in Lebanon accused the IDF of using DU during the 2024 bombardment.

“The extent of destruction and the penetration of buildings and ground by dozens of meters is evidence of the use of bombs containing depleted uranium, which has tremendous penetrating power," reported the Syndicate of Chemists in Lebanon (SCL).

The use of such types of internationally banned weapons, especially in densely populated Beirut, leads to massive destruction, and their dust causes many diseases, especially when inhaled."


Imagine breathing the air around this?


The IDF used bunker buster bombs to destroy four residential blocks in the attack on Beirut targeting Nasrallah (Photo: Getty)


Maybe we'll learn more about how much lead and other toxins the IDF left in Gaza after the UNEP conducts an inspection.


Sources:

https://www.newarab.com/news/has-israel-used-toxic-depleted-uranium-lebanon

https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/12/15/hondsdolheid-honger-een-arts-per-zevenduizend-mensen-wat-betekent-veilig-in-gaza-a4184345

maxsolomon

(38,694 posts)
62. That was a rhetorical question. We know it's been decimated.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 02:26 PM
Feb 2025

Surprised there's so much intact in central and southern Gaza per those maps.

C0RI0LANUS

(3,017 posts)
12. The IDF is much more powerful than Hamas and still holds thousands of Palestinians in security detention without trial.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:27 PM
Feb 2025

Last edited Mon Feb 10, 2025, 05:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Prior to the current round of prisoner releases, 10,400 Palestinians were being held in Israeli custody, including more than 3,300 held in administrative detention without charge or trial.


Source:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/30/israel-to-free-110-palestinian-prisoners-in-latest-gaza-ceasefire-exchange



 

Richard D

(10,018 posts)
13. A slight clarification is needed
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:52 PM
Feb 2025

The prisoners (not hostages) Israel is holding are terrorists, murderers, bombers, and Hamas. The hostages Hamas kidnapped from Israel were young people who just wanted to dance and innocent Kibutzniks, many of whom were committed to peaceful relations with Gaza.

We should take it easy on the false equivalencies!

C0RI0LANUS

(3,017 posts)
15. Hi Richard D
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 02:25 PM
Feb 2025

Before 7 Oct 2023, the IDF was holding 5,200 Palestinians incommunicado, including 170 children. The only way the Palestinians could get their uncles, fathers, brothers, cousins, or sons out of IDF detention was the 7 Oct 2023 attack to seize hostages for a prisoner swap. Thanks to D/Mossad David Barnea, two such swaps took place in Nov 2023.

After 7 Oct 2023, the IDF conducted mass arrests of Palestinians, like the 1919 Palmer Raids in the US.


Israeli security forces arrest a Palestinian outside Jerusalem's Old City on Friday, 13 Oct 2023 [Mahmoud Illean / AP Photo]


Sources:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/21/number-of-palestinian-prisoners-in-israel-doubles-to-10000-in-two-weeks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_prisoner_exchange

C0RI0LANUS

(3,017 posts)
17. Hi Richard D. I'm just explaining what the adversary does and why. That was my job for 27 years vs Al Qaida, ISIS, GRU.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 02:58 PM
Feb 2025
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
19. No, this is not an explanation. It is an an attempt at false equivalency.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 04:08 PM
Feb 2025

How many hostages did the IDF abduct since Oct. 7?

How many Israeli prisoners are being held in Gaza, and how many of them were tried and convicted of murder?

quakerboy

(14,858 posts)
21. how many were not?
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 04:23 PM
Feb 2025

How many palestinians who are currently held in Israeli jails have been through a full and fair court process before being imprisoned?

I genuinely don't know the answer. I do know that the political portion of Israels government doesn't have a reputation for fair or honest dealings. I dont really know much about the judicial portion.

On the greater topic of this thread.. has israel kept the terms of the ceasefire? Has the Palestinian side kept the terms of the ceasefire? If not, who broke it first?

I've been too busy trying to keep up with the devolution of my own country to pay as much attention to international matters as I'd like.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
24. But you DO know that NONE of the hostages have been through ANY legal process, don't you?
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 04:46 PM
Feb 2025

And you do know that none of the Palestinians in Israeli jails were abducted and are being held hostage, don't you?

Hence the false equivalency.

And on the greater topic of this thread: if you are talking about the cease fire currently in place, so far the terms of the agreement have not been violated, at least technically. Until today. By suspending their obligations under the agreement, Hamas is now in clear violation. But none of it changes the aforementioned false equivalency.

quakerboy

(14,858 posts)
42. that is true.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 07:41 PM
Feb 2025

Unfortunately if any of the prisoners held by Israel are also held without fair due process, say due to angry soldiers or at the behest of bibi trying to use the situation to maintain power, that would introduce legitimate equivalency.

As to the other.. reading the article.. is hamas wrong about israel blocking aid, blocking people from returning home, or continuing to carry out strikes in Gaza, or are they wrong about those being violations of the ceasefire?

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
43. That wouldn't introduce legitimate equivalency at all.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 08:09 PM
Feb 2025

There is no equivalency between apples and pork bellies. Holding hostages is not subject to due process under any circumstances, and violating due process is itself subject to due process, even in the cases where it is being violated.

And Hamas does appear to be wrong aboutblocking aid and blocking people from returning home under the terms of the cease fire agreement. It is on them to not just claim a violation, but to demonstrate it. So far, their claims is all they got, and their suspension of the terms of the agreement is very real indeed.

questionseverything

(11,823 posts)
32. The idf has pounded the west bank constantly during the ceasefire
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 05:17 PM
Feb 2025

I find it odd how the idf separates the two communities as if it’s a different war

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
36. It IS a different war.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 05:49 PM
Feb 2025

In fact, there is only one war, and Hamas is the most active belligerent against Israel in this war. The only connection between the West Bank and the war is Hamas militants operating in the West Bank.

Speaking of separating the two communities: the Palestinian Authority has been pounding the West Bank in the same manner IDF has.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/15/israel-hamas-war-palestinians-crackdown-gaza-ceasefire-idf/

TiberiusB

(526 posts)
23. Bold
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 04:36 PM
Feb 2025

Trying to present an explanation for why some Palestinians might turn to Hamas and violence to gain any sort of leverage when dealing with the vastly more powerful Israel.

Never fear, though, for I see the forces of willful ignorance and blind prejudice have risen to correct the situation and make sure it's clear that Israel doesn't make mistakes and all Palestinians, whether they are children or the elderly, are clearly terrorists if they are being held.
Trials and charges aren't necessary. They got detained, ergo, they are guilty. What's left to prove?

https://truthout.org/articles/report-israel-detaining-record-number-of-palestinian-children-without-charges/
https://time.com/6366734/palestinian-child-detainees/
https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/conditions-for-children-in-israeli-detention-deteriorate
https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-837695

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
25. Under this premise, all you have to do to justify hostage taking,
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 04:57 PM
Feb 2025

and, by extension, any other atrocity including but not limited to nuclear annihilation, is to choose a supertior enemy to attack.

This military tactic used to be called suicidal and idiotic. But these days, it appears to have gained the status of a legitimate explanation for being suicidal and idiotic.

TiberiusB

(526 posts)
41. uh, no
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 07:10 PM
Feb 2025

Nobody "justified" any such thing. That's the strawman that keeps getting thrown up as a refute the fact that people can become so desperate, they resort to violence, or may support groups that they otherwise might reject (just google Hamas support before and after Israel's invasion). It's also a typical response to the conflict in Gaza overall, which ignores decades of strife and boils it down to "Oct 7, Hamas bad, Israel good".

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
44. Speaking of fallacies...
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:26 PM
Feb 2025

"All you have to do to justify" atrocities is not an accusation against anyone trying to to justify anything. It is a declaration of the consequences of your line of argumentation which shows a fatal flaw in it. Your argument is flawed regardless of anyone trying to justify anything.

Just as "fact that people can become so desperate, they resort to violence, or may support groups that they otherwise might reject" is not a fact but a speculation, a speculation that demonstrates the aforementioned flaw in pellucid clarity. While you are not, as you previously have, mentioning Hamas and violence to gain leverage, you nevertheless maintain your original position that there is no limit in justifying atrocities if only the degree of desperation, in the eyes of the perpetrators, warrants it.

You are not the first one promoting this universally refuted proposition.This is the logical extreme in following the Macchiavelian "end justifies means" maxim.

C0RI0LANUS

(3,017 posts)
27. Ave! to a fellow Roman. Thank you for your comment and the links. Keep an eye on this femme fatale:
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 05:04 PM
Feb 2025

Gali Baharav-Miara is Israel's first female Attorney-General and prosecuting Benjamin Netanyahu for gross corruption. We could have used her in the US dealing with Trumpf.

C0RI0LANUS

(3,017 posts)
49. Hi Mosby, how are you? Let me bring you up to speed on Bibi's corruption trial.
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 01:41 PM
Feb 2025




Netanyahu's case is reminiscent of Trumpf's courtroom tactics of delaying and stalling. In 2019, Netanyahu entered his plea at the hearing which had been previously postponed because of the COVID pandemic. He is accused of bribery, fraud and breach of trust in three separate cases known as 1,000, 2,000 and 4,000.



Anti-Netanyahu protesters demonstrated outside the court. He was dubbed the "Crime Minister." (Reuters)

The three indictments:

Case 1,000 - Fraud and breach of trust: he is accused of receiving gifts - mainly cigars and bottles of champagne - from powerful businessmen in exchange for favors.

Case 2,000 - Fraud and breach of trust: Netanyahu is accused of offering to help improve the circulation of Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot in exchange for positive coverage.

Case 4,000 - Bribery, fraud and breach of trust: as PM and minister of communications at the time of the alleged offence, Mr Netanyahu is accused of promoting regulatory decisions favorable to the controlling shareholder in the Bezeq telecom giant, Shaul Elovitch, in exchange for positive coverage by Mr Elovitch's Walla news site.



Netanyahu wearing a face mask in line with public health restrictions due to the coronavirus pandemic, enters the court room with his lawyer as his corruption trial opens at the Jerusalem District Court, Sunday, 24 May 2020. (Photo: Ronen Zvulun / Pool Photo via AP)


Billionaire oligarch Arnon Milchan testified that his gifts of pink champagne and cigars to Benjamin Netanyahu and his wife may have been "excessive." (Photo: Reuters)


COVID and the Gaza and Lebanon wars (Nakba 2023-24) delayed the proceedings.

A Canadian newspaper, the Hill Times wrote:

"Netanyahu is Israel’s curse"
Israel's prime minister is playing for time with the war, using it to avoid his criminal corruption trials, and an inquiry into whether he could have prevented Hamas’ brutal attack. The longer that’s put off, the better for him.


In the meantime, the International Criminal Court (ICC) at the Hague indicted and issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu and former DM Yoav Gallant for alleged war crimes against Palestinians in Gaza and Bibi underwent a surgical procedure.


Netanyahu arrives in the Tel Aviv District Court to give testimony in his criminal trial, 10 Feb 2025. (Photo: Tomer Appelbaum / pool)

When the trial finally recommenced, allegations of witness tampering emerged. Three senior aides to Netanyahu were indicted on charges of witness intimidation on Tuesday, for having sent a car with a megaphone to the home of a key witness in Netanyahu’s criminal trial in 2019 in order to harass him. The three aides indicted were Ofer Golan, who served as a spokesman for the Netanyahu family and the director of the Likud election campaign in 2019; Jonatan Urich, who served at the time as a strategic adviser and a senior official in Likud’s election campaign staff; and Yisrael Einhorn, who served as a Likud spokesman.

Sara Netanyahu was accused of intimidating witnesses and Attorney-General Gali Baharav-Miara ordered an investigation of her.


A poster depicting Sara Netanyahu, with a slogan in Hebrew which reads 'investigation now' is pictured, in front of the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv on 11 Jan 2025. (Photo by Jack GUEZ / AFP)

An indictment is merely an allegation. All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.




Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-04-09/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-corruption-trial-shows-he-received-something-far-more-valuable-than-money/0000017f-edb5-d4cd-af7f-edfde8750000

Archived:

https://archive.is/mxw1x

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-senior-netanyahu-aides-indicted-for-witness-intimidation-in-pm-s-corruption-cases/ar-AA1yOLRP

https://www.timesofisrael.com/criminal-probe-launched-into-sara-netanyahu-over-allegations-of-witness-tampering/

https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu

https://www.jpost.com/influencers-24/50jews-24/article-822480

https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2024/09/05/netanyahu-is-israels-curse/433174/

Archived:

https://archive.is/FuUE1


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66035997

https://www.timesofisrael.com/have-you-no-shame-netanyahu-accuses-prosecutors-of-stitch-up-in-court-tirade/
 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
50. Hey look at this.
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 07:24 PM
Feb 2025

They indicted 3 Netanyahu aids for what they did 6 YEARS AGO. Apparently they might be facing 3 whole years in prison. Wowzers. That's some hard core shit, know what I mean.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-senior-netanyahu-aides-indicted-for-witness-intimidation-in-pms-corruption-cases/

In the United States of America we call this "freedom of speech". But that's probably going away.....

C0RI0LANUS

(3,017 posts)
58. Hi Mosby. How are you? Thank you, I saw that report. Bibi has a mini-Watergate problem going.
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 08:37 PM
Feb 2025

The wheels of justice move slow at times, Mosby, but they do move.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
59. I'm OK, thanks for asking.
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 08:59 PM
Feb 2025

I am trying to get a BP med figured out. It's a weird one, very strong, and clears out of my system in barely a day. I like it because there are no side effects for me, but if I take too much my BP dropped too low.

LeftInTX

(34,221 posts)
26. It's true that Israel holds alot of low level prisoners who deserve to be free. However, Hamas does not want those
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 04:59 PM
Feb 2025

prisoners released. They insist on terrorists being released instead. They want the terrorists back. The rock throwers are of no value to Hamas. In 2011, it was 1027 prisoners in exchange for one hostage. One of those prisoners released was Sinwar.

At the first hostage/prisoner exchange in 2023, Israel sent lists over and Hamas rejected some of those scheduled for release. So Israel had to draw upon more violent criminals for release. Hamas didn't want 16 year old rioters. They want hard core. They want Hamas back.

It seems to be the way they do business over there...


List of some of the terrorists released in the 2011 swap at the link:

The Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange (Hebrew: עסקת שליט; Arabic: صفقة شاليط, also known as Wafa al-Ahrar (Arabic: وفاء الأحرار.) ("Faithful to the free".),[1] followed a 2011 agreement between Israel and Hamas to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for 1027 prisoners — almost all Palestinians and Arab-Israelis, although there were also a Ukrainian,[2] a Jordanian[3] and a Syrian.[4] Of these, 280 had been sentenced to life in prison for planning and perpetrating various attacks against Israeli targets.[5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange#:~:text=Netanyahu%20responded%20to%20a%20pilgrimage,talks%20on%20his%20son's%20release.



 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
29. The overwhelming majority of prisoners that have been released so far have gone through due process.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 05:09 PM
Feb 2025

Dozens of them have been tried and convicted of murder.

louis-t

(24,614 posts)
14. Gee, and trmp saying he will turn Gaza into a resort town
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 01:52 PM
Feb 2025

and restarting sale of weapons to Israel had NOTHING to do with this?

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
20. My guess is, Hamas either ran out of living hostages or can't find them.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 04:14 PM
Feb 2025

And I am still not getting how Trump or Netanyahu or Kushner made them backpeddle on delivering the hostages in accordance with the cease fire agreement.

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
30. USAID doesn't exist to provide food and relief to Gaza.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 05:10 PM
Feb 2025

That's not Israel's fault. It's Trump's fault.

Deep State Witch

(12,707 posts)
35. They Need to Give Them Some Food
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 05:36 PM
Feb 2025

Starving your hostages then releasing them won't make the Western liberals love you.

iemanja

(57,751 posts)
45. Here is some of the actual article
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:55 PM
Feb 2025
Accusing Israel of "delaying the return of displaced persons to northern Gaza, targeting them with shelling and gunfire in various areas of the Strip, and failing to allow the entry of humanitarian aid", Hamas said it needed assurances from Israel that it would stick to the terms of the agreement.

Israel, in turn, accused Hamas of a "complete violation of the ceasefire agreement" and said it had instructed the Israeli military "to prepare at the highest level of alert for any possible scenario in Gaza and to protect the communities".

mahatmakanejeeves

(69,704 posts)
53. Because that's the day I posted it, at 11:55 a.m.
Thu Feb 13, 2025, 07:43 PM
Feb 2025
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Thanks for asking, and good evening.
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