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BumRushDaShow

(149,459 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 09:47 AM Feb 15

Trump officials signal potential changes at NOAA, the weather and climate agency

Source: NPR

February 15, 2025 5:00 AM ET


Federal workers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration are on high alert as they monitor signs of a potential Trump administration overhaul of one of the government's main scientific agencies.

Many employees are bracing for potential staff cuts, as well as slashes to the funding that supports science within the agency and by many research partners across the country.

In particular, NOAA staffers are concerned about how President Trump's executive orders, including one targeting climate change programs, could affect the agency's research and operations. Agency officials have received a list, which NPR has viewed, of terms that could run afoul of the orders in the grants and programs they manage; the list includes terms like "climate change," "pollution" and "natural resources," as well as many terms associated with diversity, equity and inclusion. NPR obtained the list from an official at NOAA who agreed to talk on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.

NOAA did not respond to NPR's request for comment.

Read more: https://www.npr.org/2025/02/15/nx-s1-5297183/noaa-national-weather-service-trump

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Trump officials signal potential changes at NOAA, the weather and climate agency (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Feb 15 OP
From now on all weather and climate forecasting will be done with a Sharpie. sop Feb 15 #1
The billionaires will not pay for climate change prevention or repair. Irish_Dem Feb 15 #2
NOAA needs to break out the thesauruses Deminpenn Feb 15 #3
Why? littlemissmartypants Feb 15 #4
Since Reagan the R's and the companies like Intellicast, Accuweather and others wanted the NWS to stop LiberalArkie Feb 15 #6
NOAA's roots reach back more than 200 years. littlemissmartypants Feb 15 #8
Yes, I know.. But they were very local. Unless someone from another area called and told their friend about LiberalArkie Feb 15 #9
As a weather hobbyist BumRushDaShow Feb 15 #13
This makes it even more horrific DBoon Feb 15 #14
As we saw with "sharpie-gate" BumRushDaShow Feb 15 #15
Yep totally agree. That is what was intended. It works and is the best in the world. That is why the PRIVATES LiberalArkie Feb 15 #19
Well that has been a battle for a long long time BumRushDaShow Feb 15 #21
To find synonyms for banned terms MadLinguist Feb 15 #17
Domino effect... littlemissmartypants Feb 15 #5
Just in time for the tornado season to ramp up... EarthFirst Feb 15 #7
Sorry, but FEMA is being dismantled too. PSPS Feb 15 #25
Even China openly discusses their pollution problems Mike 03 Feb 15 #10
The GOP answer: if you can't talk about it, it doesn't exist RainCaster Feb 15 #11
NEXT: Musk changes National Weather Service to subscription model. Want a weather forecast? Pay Musk $29.99 a month dalton99a Feb 15 #12
Yup - the CEO of Accuweather has long lobbied to let him be the sole bringer of bad weather. erronis Feb 15 #20
Trump promised the Fossil Fuel Industries that if they gave him a billion $s and supported him he would Botany Feb 15 #16
I think I get it. Dissolve FEMA and then outlaw hurricanes. Simple! Martin68 Feb 15 #18
He's finally going to actually nuke one. Mr. Evil Feb 15 #22
Oh, I hope NOAA is spared! snot Feb 15 #23
the homepage on my desktop is NOAA's NWS 7 day forcast for my location Kali Feb 15 #24
This is bad. mahina Feb 15 #26
It will be a sight to behold when a Cat. 5 hurricane hits MAGA land by surprise and it will be downright Vinca Feb 15 #27

Irish_Dem

(66,670 posts)
2. The billionaires will not pay for climate change prevention or repair.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 09:51 AM
Feb 15

And they will not stop polluting humans and the planet.

Research is not needed on these topics.
Facts, data, truth dilutes their propaganda and gaslighting.

LiberalArkie

(17,709 posts)
6. Since Reagan the R's and the companies like Intellicast, Accuweather and others wanted the NWS to stop
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 10:39 AM
Feb 15

providing weather forecasts and be prohibited from ever doing so. Including tornado and hurricane warnings.

They want the government to pay for the satellites and such but eliminate the Sever Forecast, National Hurricane Center, National Tsunami Center, etc.

Kind of like way back when the weather forecast was done by the local TV station. "Sunrise at, sunset at"

littlemissmartypants

(26,956 posts)
8. NOAA's roots reach back more than 200 years.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 10:54 AM
Feb 15

Weather reports haven't been totally dependent on satellite forever. In the grand scheme of the service that's a recent development. Scientists are not stupid. They know how to improvise and reimplement.

Things will be regressive, less expansive and decentralized. Everyone will suffer. Even the greedy satellite owners.

The regime doesn’t want to pay for the expertise to provide the interpretation of the data. I'm interested in waiting to see how the national and international meteorological societies respond.

LiberalArkie

(17,709 posts)
9. Yes, I know.. But they were very local. Unless someone from another area called and told their friend about
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 11:03 AM
Feb 15

the bad storm and tornados the next area knew nothing about it. About all the forecasters before the NOAA all they really had for tech were the balloons that measured the barometric pressure at various altitudes and radioed it back. They could make assumptions that maybe a storm was going to happen. Or a front was forming and would maybe bring rain or something. Maybe even snow.

I grew up with that. The weather says it might rain, so we knew it would not. A great thing was the NOAA weather radios here in the south. They saved a lot of lives. In Arkansas we kind of depend on the forecasters at the NWS in North Little Rock to save lives and they do it. A long time before the weather channel even guesses about it.

BumRushDaShow

(149,459 posts)
13. As a weather hobbyist
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 12:01 PM
Feb 15

and as a notation - the history of what you see today for NOAA and the NWS and "official national record-keeping" actually goes back to a function under what was the Department of War (before the name change) and the Signal Officers.

History of the National Weather Service

(snip)

  • 1849: Smithsonian Institution supplies weather instruments to telegraph companies and establishes extensive observation network. Observations submitted by telegraph to the Smithsonian, where weather maps are created.

  • By the end of 1849, 150 volunteers throughout the United States were reporting weather observations to the Smithsonian regularly. By 1860, 500 stations were furnishing daily telegraphic weather reports to the Washington Evening Star, and as the network grew, other existing systems were gradually absorbed, including several state weather services.

  • 1860: 500 stations are making regular observations, but work is interrupted by the Civil War.

  • 1869: Telegraph service, instituted in Cincinnati, began collecting weather data and producing weather charts.

  • The ability to observe and display simultaneously observed weather data, through the use of the telegraph, quickly led to initial efforts toward the next logical advancement, the forecasting of weather. However, the ability to observe and forecast weather over much of the country, required considerable structure and organization, which could be provided through a government agency.

  • 1870: A Joint Congressional Resolution requiring the Secretary of War "to provide for taking meteorological observations at the military stations in the interior of the continent, and at other points in the States and Territories...and for giving notice on the northern lakes and on the seacoast, by magnetic telegraph and marine signals, of the approach and force of storms" was introduced. Congress passed the resolution and on February 9, 1870, President Ulysses S. Grant signed it into law. A new national weather service had been born within the U.S. Army Signal Service’s Division of Telegrams and Reports for the Benefit of Commerce that would affect the daily lives of most of the citizens of the United States through its forecasts and warnings for years to come.

  • 1870-1880: Gen. Albert J. Myer serves as chief signal officer, directing the new weather service.

  • 1880: Upon the death of Gen. Myer, Gen. William Babcock Hazen takes over as chief signal officer. He serves until his death in 1887.

  • 1887: Upon the death of Gen. Hazen, Maj. Gen. Adolphus Greely takes over as chief signal officer. He serves until his death in 1891.

  • May 30, 1889: An earthen dam breaks near Johnstown, Pennsylvania. The flood kills 2,209 people and wrecks 1,880 homes and businesses.

  • October 1, 1890: The weather service is first identified as a civilian agency when Congress, at the request of President Benjamin Harrison, passes an act transferring the meteorological responsibilities of the Signal Service to the newly-created U.S. Weather Bureau in the Department of Agriculture.


  • (snip)

  • 1940: The Weather Bureau is transferred to the Department of Commerce.


  • And yes, I have done a number of down-the-rabbit-hole deep dives into some of the historic records from some of the official reporting stations in the Philly metro area, which go back to 1874 and have been digitized (they were usually also bound and published as well).

    In comparison, Accuweather was founded here in PA near the Penn State Campus in State College, in the '60s and the company's branded "name" didn't happen until the early '70s. The mets there (including the founder Joel Myers) were regularly featured here in Phlly on local radio/TV stations during the '70s - until within the past decade, originals began to retire.

    Similarly, outlets like The Weather Channel didn't exist until the early '80s. Intellicast & Weather Underground appeared in the '90s (eventually merging with all kinds of wild stuff that went on with the Weather Channel buyouts).

    As a note - I have 2 weather stations out back that report obs data to both Ambient and WU.

    The bottom line is that the federal government STILL has "the deep pocket" to support these services - not just the satellites but the big super-computer hosted weather models (GFS (global), NAM & HRW -XXX (convective/meso), HRRR (short range), etc). They also collaborate with their neighboring offices to bring a consistency across forecast regions.

    The private weather services provide a much-needed NICHE service for all the industries that rely on weather forecasting (agricultural interests, the energy sector, maritime interests, aviation interests, etc) and that is who contracts with them to do tailored forecasts.

    But for "national" use, the private entities should NOT be involved. AT. ALL.

    PRIVATE = "FOR PROFIT" and GOVERNMENT = "NOT FOR PROFIT".

    Meanwhile, the billionaires have realized that there is a "deep pocket" in the federal government and have seized access to it in order to attempt to raid it as we type.

    DBoon

    (23,613 posts)
    14. This makes it even more horrific
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 12:08 PM
    Feb 15

    They are destroying something it took 150 years to build

    BumRushDaShow

    (149,459 posts)
    15. As we saw with "sharpie-gate"
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 12:23 PM
    Feb 15

    (and that guy is back)

    America's lives our in these mets' hands and they want to just run through their agencies and every other agency, doing a Veruca Salt -

    LiberalArkie

    (17,709 posts)
    19. Yep totally agree. That is what was intended. It works and is the best in the world. That is why the PRIVATES
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:01 PM
    Feb 15

    want it.. They want the public side to own the satellites, radars, planes and gather data. Just forbid them from making it public except for the private companies.

    I kind of equate it to the publicly funded medical and drug research and development. The government is not allowed to produce the drugs, they have to turn it all over to private companies to sell to the public.

    BumRushDaShow

    (149,459 posts)
    21. Well that has been a battle for a long long time
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:18 PM
    Feb 15

    but what tends to happen is that some great economic calamity happens, and the bums get thrown out.

    And with what is going on right now, that calamity may be sooner than expected.

    littlemissmartypants

    (26,956 posts)
    5. Domino effect...
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 10:27 AM
    Feb 15

    Most people watch the news for two things, sports and the weather.

    When they can't rely on the weather report they will go elsewhere. More television stations will close.

    Streaming weather, weather apps and all other systems will be unreliable, distrusted and abandoned.

    At a time when extreme weather is our new normal we will be SOL when it comes to preparedness. The entire world depends on NOAA.

    EarthFirst

    (3,562 posts)
    7. Just in time for the tornado season to ramp up...
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 10:43 AM
    Feb 15

    March-June is generally the greatest impact for tornadoes.

    FEMA will surely be stretched beyond its limits as well…

    Sigh.

    Mike 03

    (18,274 posts)
    10. Even China openly discusses their pollution problems
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 11:05 AM
    Feb 15

    This is all so disheartening, not to mention it makes us a laughingstock.

    RainCaster

    (12,391 posts)
    11. The GOP answer: if you can't talk about it, it doesn't exist
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 11:31 AM
    Feb 15

    Works for weather, sexuality and infectious diseases.

    dalton99a

    (87,515 posts)
    12. NEXT: Musk changes National Weather Service to subscription model. Want a weather forecast? Pay Musk $29.99 a month
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 11:40 AM
    Feb 15

    $49.99 a month if you want a tornado warning


    erronis

    (18,474 posts)
    20. Yup - the CEO of Accuweather has long lobbied to let him be the sole bringer of bad weather.
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:07 PM
    Feb 15

    Botany

    (73,655 posts)
    16. Trump promised the Fossil Fuel Industries that if they gave him a billion $s and supported him he would
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 12:24 PM
    Feb 15

    …. stop all of that “Climate Change” stuff in 2024. And Musk has been after NOAA’s
    Climate observatory on Mauna Loa mountain in Hawaii which has been the gold standard
    for climate data for 70 years. And I believe they were taking readings there even before
    the observatory was built in 1956.

    Meanwhile salt water is working its way up north from the Gulf of Mexico as global sea
    levels rise because of the melting of the planet’s glaciers and polar ice caps.

    This is madness.

    snot

    (10,986 posts)
    23. Oh, I hope NOAA is spared!
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:24 PM
    Feb 15

    I love my NOAA. Seriously; my home was flooded some years ago, and detailed info that I captured from their site on that date ["the ----- river fork is expected to crest at ---- feet"] has enabled me to feel prepared and reassured with every hard rain since.

    I also love their looping, continually updated weather maps, which enable me to see whether & when to be worried about serious weather hitting my particular area. They went through a change/update of these maps a few years ago, and I wrote them to ask what was going on, and a human being actually answered!

    Kali

    (56,158 posts)
    24. the homepage on my desktop is NOAA's NWS 7 day forcast for my location
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:44 PM
    Feb 15

    I am waiting to see how that changes or disappears.

    Vinca

    (51,790 posts)
    27. It will be a sight to behold when a Cat. 5 hurricane hits MAGA land by surprise and it will be downright
    Sat Feb 15, 2025, 03:54 PM
    Feb 15

    funny when they try to call FEMA.

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