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Jose Garcia

(3,523 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 06:59 PM Feb 2025

Conservative opposition wins German election and the far right is 2nd with strongest postwar result

Source: Associated Press

BERLIN (AP) — Germany’s conservative opposition leader Friedrich Merz won a lackluster victory in a national election Sunday, while Alternative for Germany doubled its support in the strongest showing for a far-right party since World War II, projections showed.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz conceded defeat for his center-left Social Democrats after what he called “a bitter election result.” Projections for ARD and ZDF public television showed his party finishing in third place with its worst postwar result in a national parliamentary election.

Merz said he hopes to put a coalition government together by Easter. But that’s likely to be challenging

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/germany-election-merz-scholz-far-right-afd-ebf16ed38e0beaff7fed9a6d29b32a24

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speak easy

(12,598 posts)
1. Whois Friedrich Merz?
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:08 PM
Feb 2025

Amongst other offices , the former Chairman of Black Rock in Germany. His Spiel- you guessed it, elect a businessman to fix the Government.

His policies - tac cuts, deregulation and closing the borders.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
2. Right, close the borders with Poland, Czech, Austria, Switzerland,
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:23 PM
Feb 2025

Denmark, France, Belgium, Netherlands!!!

Emrys

(9,163 posts)
4. On the other hand, at least he's not in the pocket of Trump or Putin:
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:01 PM
Feb 2025
Merz just said on German TV that the primary priority of his government will be to ensure that Europe can achieve full strategic independence from the United States in the defence against Russia.
14. I think we are about to see the return to a multipolar world.
Mon Feb 24, 2025, 02:41 AM
Feb 2025

The near century-long close alliance between the US and the various and combined European powers could completely fracture. This means the end of NATO and significant trade and diplomatic friction. I don’t see the US, Russia, and China building any sort of real partnership as their leaders’ self-interests conflict too much.

Instead, I see the decline of any superpower over the next decades – the US giving up a large part of its global influence through trade wars, defunct foreign aid, and general isolationism while China ‘s once growing economy wanes due to demographic collapse. You may see the rise of regional powers and loose coalitions, but I think we are headed for a period of significant readjustment of the geopolitical order.

I hope I am wrong, and we recover our national senses and rebuild the partnerships that have maintained relative world peace for 80 years.

Polybius

(21,964 posts)
8. Immigration is a huge, huge issue in Germany though
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 11:41 PM
Feb 2025

Much more so than here. The current Chancellor, Olaf Scholz, double downed on a losing issue:

In December 2021, Scholz said that Germany was a country of immigration and pledged to reduce barriers to immigration to Germany and make it easier for immigrants to obtain German citizenship. 352,000 people applied for asylum in Germany in 2023, the highest number since 2016, when 722,370 people applied for asylum. People from Ukraine are not included among asylum seekers. Most asylum seekers in 2023 were from Turkey, Syria and Afghanistan. In September 2023, more than 120 boats carrying approximately 7,000 migrants from Africa arrived on the island of Lampedusa within 24 hours. Some of the migrants were relocated to Germany.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaf_Scholz

muriel_volestrangler

(106,338 posts)
3. At the moment, the projection is that the CDU/CSU could just form a majority coalition with the SPD
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 08:45 PM
Feb 2025
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/feb/23/german-election-2025-results-in-full-live

That would be the only 2 party majority coalition possible (excluding the AfD)

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
5. Merz would be better off with the Greens in the coalition as well.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:09 PM
Feb 2025

The Greens are stronger on defense (!) and essential allies to amend the Constitution to excise the break on Government debt.

Polybius

(21,964 posts)
7. They might be slightly different enough to warrant both
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 11:34 PM
Feb 2025

Yours was talking about the future (looks set to become) while his was after it officially happened (opposition wins German election).

SunSeeker

(58,333 posts)
9. Not different. Mine states the conservatives won, which was official this morning when I posted.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 11:44 PM
Feb 2025

My CNN article listed the election RESULTS, not the expected future election results. The "looks to become" is referring to MERZ as chancellor, since his party (what you refer to as the "opposition" ) won. Both articles are referring to the same "exit polls" for their identical numbers. CNN also provided the breakdown for the other parties, which is important and why I went with CNN.



Polybius

(21,964 posts)
12. I've learned that hot topic headlines do get more bites, which is why I search around first
Mon Feb 24, 2025, 12:58 AM
Feb 2025

Like when Pam Bondi got confirmed. One headline simply said she was confirmed with 54 votes. The other one said something like "Bondi confirmed 54-46 as every Democrat voted against her but Fetterman."

PortTack

(35,820 posts)
15. The header on this post is misleading! Germany has at least 6 parties. The other 5 despise the far rt party
Mon Feb 24, 2025, 03:09 AM
Feb 2025

And will make sure they have ZERO control in the government. Image the gqp having 20% control….i wish, but this is how it plays out

DFW

(60,311 posts)
16. As things stand now, it looks like this:
Mon Feb 24, 2025, 06:08 AM
Feb 2025

The CDU/CSU cannot form a coalition with the SPD and get a parliamentary majority. They need a third partner, and the Greens, with the realist Robert Habeck leading them, are the ideal partners.

The "Left (Die Linken) " are out of the question. They are the successors to the old East German socialists who got their jollies by shooting to death people trying to flee at the Berlin Wall or the death strip, if outside of Berlin. Wearing a T shirt saying "Tax The Rich" fools no one here who knew what their founders advocated when they were in power. I have seen the villa where Putin was living when stationed in East Germany as a young KGB officer, and the wall pock-marked with bullet holes a few houses down where the SED (predecessor of the the PDS, which became Die Linken) killed off particularly "uncomfortable" dissidents. They are currently recruiting your voters, hoping they will forget what the party's founders were originally all about, much as the far right AfD is trying to do with its young voters on the right ("Nazi, Schmatzi" says Wernher von Braun).

Merz could put his coalition together by the weekend if everyone would act sensibly, and admit that 29% or less is not a towering mandate to set the tone. They will have to compromise plenty, and only Habeck has come out and said that this is inevitable. Merz is a feisty macho type who thought he had a divine right to the Chancellorship two election cycles ago. He will need some serious ego management before the coalition-building can get serious. I think Scholz and his party have been given a big enough reality check that they will not be putting up too many road blocks. Merz, himself, will be the biggest obstacle.

As for immigration, Germany is still a member of the Schengen treaty. With sea borders with Sweden, Finland, and the three Baltic nations, as well as land borders with Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Switzerland, Austria, the Czech Republic and Poland, ALL of which are Schengen signatories, Germany's interior border is completely porous. So far, they are dealing with it, but it is enough for one dark skinned nut case yelling "Allah U Akbar" and wielding a knife to give the far right ample ammunition to advocate closing off all the borders again. It ain't gonna happen, but that won't stop them from using it as a campaign slogan. I just came back to Germany from Switzerland by train yesterday. There was a team of two German border police who walked through the train, looking a little bored, but stopping nobody, at least not in my car. Sometimes they'll appear in the trains from Holland or Belgium and ask everyone for ID, but I don't recall them in recent years finding a passenger with enough of a problem to warrant removal from the train. After all, if they're on a train to Germany from another Schengen country, someone had to have let them in to begin with.

I'll say this about Merz--he has a short time to prove he's the tough macho he wants to project, and not nervously jump every time the AfD says, "BOO!" He will be taken a LOT less seriously if he falters in this.

And, one more time, to pronounce his name correctly, "Merz" is like "Hair" or the "Old Grey Mare" and a "ts" on the end. It is NOT pronounced like "hers" as in "his and hers." In German, as in Italian, the "z" is pronounced "ts." After all, no one calls Hitler a "Nozzy," and no one calls Musk a "Neo-Nozzy." My poor German wife endured 16 torturous years of hearing Americans pronouncing her Chancellor's name as "Murkle." As with Merz, "Mair-kel" is correct.

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