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MayReasonRule

(4,099 posts)
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:06 PM Feb 2025

Zelensky, Trump get into heated argument while speaking with journalists in Oval Office

Source: THE KYIV INDEPENDENT

President Volodymyr Zelensky and U.S. President Donald Trump held a 45-minute-long press briefing in the Oval Office that ended in a heated argument about American aid to Ukraine.

The scuffle began following Zelensky's answer to U.S. Vice President JD Vance comments that Ukraine must agree to U.S. peace terms.

When Zelensky began to respond, Trump said, "You are not allowed to talk."

Read more: https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-get-into-heated-argument-during-live-conference/







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Zelensky, Trump get into heated argument while speaking with journalists in Oval Office (Original Post) MayReasonRule Feb 2025 OP
WTF was Vance doing there? speak easy Feb 2025 #1
Vance is just being a weenie. NotHardly Feb 2025 #4
"Hey look Donnie! I can be abusive just like you!" unblock Feb 2025 #10
Musk must have ordered it. twodogsbarking Feb 2025 #12
Putin ordered it, Muskrat carried the message maybe irisblue Feb 2025 #68
Bingo IB DENVERPOPS Feb 2025 #78
It's Scut Farkus and Grover Dill. Alice B. Feb 2025 #21
An "A Christmas Story" reference! SergeStorms Feb 2025 #27
*curtsy* Alice B. Feb 2025 #38
Spot on! IrishAfricanAmerican Feb 2025 #54
Yellow eyes! boonecreek Feb 2025 #66
He's there to have Dump's back. SergeStorms Feb 2025 #35
I haven't heard the whole thing, but the Guardian's live blog make Vance look like the prime arsehole muriel_volestrangler Feb 2025 #50
It seems like what irked Vance most was Zelensky disrespecting Putin! Emrys Feb 2025 #90
Musk is busy stealing our money johnnyfins Feb 2025 #56
It was a total setup by Vance and Trump Bev54 Feb 2025 #59
Trying desperately to appear relevant while sucking up to drumpf JoseBalow Feb 2025 #87
Excellent question! red dog 1 Mar 2025 #95
Trumperica is now part of Russia. twodogsbarking Feb 2025 #2
He was ambushed by two a**es trying to look tough. ellemb Feb 2025 #3
Fascist Asses... MayReasonRule Feb 2025 #7
Why in the name of everything holy did America elect these basturds??!!? lastlib Feb 2025 #5
They responded to trumps fear mongering. Omnipresent Feb 2025 #11
We were schooling other countries about freedom post WW2 while....... wolfie001 Feb 2025 #14
I'm still not convinced they did. SergeStorms Feb 2025 #29
Need to let Zelenskyy know cilla4progress Feb 2025 #6
I didn't see the whole thing, but I didn't see Zelenskyy involved in an argument unblock Feb 2025 #8
You are correct, no doubt about it. Trump even went to blaming Obama, Bush, Clinton, Biden and something about twodogsbarking Feb 2025 #15
He's really out there. SergeStorms Feb 2025 #31
Russia Russia Russia was all from hunter biden's bathroom! unblock Feb 2025 #46
Just in case you forgot Ray Bruns Feb 2025 #58
Trump outright called former President Biden "stupid" several times. maddiemom Feb 2025 #65
At this point it is a bit unnerving to even say I am an American. twodogsbarking Feb 2025 #67
Trump yelled and yelled some more. Made threats. It was as ugly as ever. twodogsbarking Feb 2025 #9
Seems like tRump just turned a positive stock market day into yet another negative day. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2025 #13
WTF! Bayard Feb 2025 #16
Ugh BrianTheEVGuy Feb 2025 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Bayard Feb 2025 #17
Just watched the two on one leanforward Feb 2025 #18
One of the reasons I've heard that the newly-elected German person (don't remember name) Macron, and in2herbs Feb 2025 #19
Continuation: I now understand why JD was present in the meeting: F47 doesn't have the brains to in2herbs Feb 2025 #30
There's another possibility ... it might have been Pootie's idea FakeNoose Feb 2025 #45
No Deal!!! The Madcap Feb 2025 #20
President Zelenskyy, I can't express how deeply embarrassed I am that you had to endure that orange piece of shit sit LaMouffette Feb 2025 #22
Here's the briefing. OnlinePoker Feb 2025 #23
Great Catch Y"all, Thank You!!! MayReasonRule Feb 2025 #33
And here, it goes off the rails OnlinePoker Feb 2025 #41
*Following a growing argument between the two, Trump said that Ukraine isn't in the position to set the terms elleng Feb 2025 #24
Watch the video- It's VANCE who lights the match on this explosion KatyBR Feb 2025 #88
Zelinsky knows Trump will never give him anything jgmiller Feb 2025 #25
European Countries Have Already Offered Alternatives To The US Mineral Deal MayReasonRule Feb 2025 #36
A criminal traitor and a couch fucker trying to bow up against a patriot and democratic freedom fighter... LudwigPastorius Feb 2025 #26
He came about as close as he could to doing it jgmiller Feb 2025 #37
Looks like the Krasnov-Turd traitor really lost his shit today with a patriot like Zelenskyy Tarzanrock Feb 2025 #28
Trump seems to keep saying thinkingagain Feb 2025 #32
Then slobfather had the gall to call Zelensky disrespectful Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2025 #39
I just watched a BBC clip of the exchange....WTAF! KewlKat Feb 2025 #40
President Zelenskyy has left the building......early KewlKat Feb 2025 #42
I hope VZ gets out of the country safely. (nt) Pinback Feb 2025 #77
We have arrived. Our country now has no sense of decency. NowsTheTime Feb 2025 #43
True Dat KewlKat Feb 2025 #44
Nope. Just the felon. The felon has no sense of decency. Look at the outrage across DC & the country. ancianita Feb 2025 #81
No mineral deals signed, White House confirms muriel_volestrangler Feb 2025 #47
Trump needs to be removed from office.... Jughead Feb 2025 #48
How's this for 'outside the box'? Fix The Stupid Feb 2025 #49
Sadly, no one should trust Russia.. NowsTheTime Feb 2025 #51
Ukraine doesn't need the US. paleotn Feb 2025 #52
can't trust the Russians lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #53
Shame on Republican Senators, Shame on Mr. Mustard 2023 Feb 2025 #55
asshole has been stewing about revenge since Z blew him off Kali Feb 2025 #86
Too much golf can make one a violent person. The evidence is convincing. twodogsbarking Feb 2025 #57
Bullies are immature toddlers 😡 TommieMommy Feb 2025 #60
The United States has turned into a huge embarrassment mdbl Feb 2025 #61
Now let's sit back and see how the media covers this. Who's winning? We aren't, my friends, we aren't. twodogsbarking Feb 2025 #62
We have given 65 billion in military aid to Ukraine nowforever Feb 2025 #63
Geez - I lay down for an hour or so to read and once again all hell has broken out. Vinca Feb 2025 #64
now i get it . asked what did i miss on another thread . the situation does not compute . i just would AllaN01Bear Feb 2025 #69
I'm Betting Putin Called Trump And Told Him To Blow This Thing Up DallasNE Feb 2025 #70
No American President has ever looked weaker on the world stage than Trump did today. n/t TheBadWolf Feb 2025 #71
Trump Did A Great Impersonation Of Neville Chamberlain Today DallasNE Feb 2025 #74
He thinks talking over people is somehow a show of strength valleyrogue Feb 2025 #72
Good grief. "You're not acting at all thankful. It's not a nice thing." PSPS Feb 2025 #73
Dumpy and vance met their match...can't deal with the truth PortTack Feb 2025 #75
You've got to be more thankful!!!! Hope22 Feb 2025 #76
That was even more disgusting than the Access Hollywood tapes Bluetus Feb 2025 #79
Trump trying to treat Zelensky the way Musk's kid treated Trump 4catsmom Feb 2025 #80
Trump wants him to grovel kskiska Feb 2025 #82
Shouldn't we declare war on Ukraine before dictating peace terms? bluedigger Feb 2025 #83
JFC - WTH - I am truly embarrassed to be an American right now. notinkansas Feb 2025 #84
"You are not allowed to talk" WHOA PuraVidaDreamin Feb 2025 #85
This seems Rebl2 Feb 2025 #89
Fuck Trump! hamsterjill Feb 2025 #91
All theatre for Putin tonekat Feb 2025 #92
If I was younger and in better health I'd leave this shit hole country. OverBurn Feb 2025 #93
Treated Zelenski like Musk's toddler treated Trump. travelingthrulife Feb 2025 #94
Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #96

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
78. Bingo IB
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 04:55 PM
Feb 2025

They ganged up on Zelenski, and he laid them to WHALE SHIT, ON NATIONAL TV, AND SEEN AROUND THE WORLD.....
Trump, Vance, and Musk take their marching orders from Putin, and include the Republicans in the House and Senate, and the entire Republican Party......

And flustered, Trump told him that he wasn't allowed to speak, on national TV ??????????????????????

SergeStorms

(20,591 posts)
35. He's there to have Dump's back.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:41 PM
Feb 2025

The petulant baby never fights the battles he starts. He has security or attorneys fight all his battles. Cowards are like that.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,211 posts)
50. I haven't heard the whole thing, but the Guardian's live blog make Vance look like the prime arsehole
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:15 PM
Feb 2025

when he decided to attack Biden, and felt Putin was being attacked.

In the course of the meeting, vice-president JD Vance accused Volodymyr Zelenskyy of “litigating in front of the American media,” and said his comments were “disrespectful.”

“Have you said thank you once?,” he asked, according to reports.

At one point in their meeting, JD Vance said the negotiations were needed as “we tried the pathway of Joe Biden, of thumping our chest and pretending that the President of the United States’s words mattered more than the President of the United States’s actions.”

“What makes America a good country is America engaging in diplomacy. That’s what President Trump is doing,” he insisted.

But Zelenskyy wasn’t pleased with that, responding that Putin repeatedly broke previous arrangements agreed with other countries. “So, what kind of diplomacy, JD, are you speaking about?”

This caused Vance to explode, accusing Zelenskyy of being “disrespectful” and organising “propaganda tours.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/feb/28/volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-us-minerals-deal-russia-ukraine-live-news


Now I've watched it. Yeah, Vance was more and more of an arsehole, and Trump joined in.

Emrys

(9,100 posts)
90. It seems like what irked Vance most was Zelensky disrespecting Putin!
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 06:09 PM
Feb 2025

Can't badmouth the capo di tutti capi in front of his sotto capi and expect them not to break out the brass knuckles.

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
59. It was a total setup by Vance and Trump
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:51 PM
Feb 2025

They think it makes them look tough. It really makes them look like complete fucking moron idiots. I am sur maga will be proud but the rest of the world is absolutely appalled.

lastlib

(28,264 posts)
5. Why in the name of everything holy did America elect these basturds??!!?
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:11 PM
Feb 2025

Fuck 'em to death! With every nasty implement on earth! - - - - - -

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Omnipresent

(7,450 posts)
11. They responded to trumps fear mongering.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:16 PM
Feb 2025

Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Scare the living shit out someone, so they vote for you, in the hope that they get saved.

wolfie001

(7,667 posts)
14. We were schooling other countries about freedom post WW2 while.......
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:18 PM
Feb 2025

.......the south was lynching people and living a Jim Crow dystopia. We've always had a healthy number of racist hateful bastards living among us.

unblock

(56,198 posts)
8. I didn't see the whole thing, but I didn't see Zelenskyy involved in an argument
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:13 PM
Feb 2025

I just saw Vance and Donnie heaping abuse at Zelenskyy and members of the press corps that they themselves selected to be in the room.

twodogsbarking

(18,785 posts)
15. You are correct, no doubt about it. Trump even went to blaming Obama, Bush, Clinton, Biden and something about
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:19 PM
Feb 2025

Hunter Biden. WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

unblock

(56,198 posts)
46. Russia Russia Russia was all from hunter biden's bathroom!
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:00 PM
Feb 2025

The media completely sucks to air that crap without making it clear that Donnie's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

*that's the story*, Donnie has abusive and psychotic episode on national tv. Not "Zelenskyy and trump have argument" or whatever. Ffs!

maddiemom

(5,179 posts)
65. Trump outright called former President Biden "stupid" several times.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 04:01 PM
Feb 2025

Didn't this bother anyone else?

twodogsbarking

(18,785 posts)
9. Trump yelled and yelled some more. Made threats. It was as ugly as ever.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:14 PM
Feb 2025

Trump did make things clear though. Sick mf.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
13. Seems like tRump just turned a positive stock market day into yet another negative day. . . . . nt
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:17 PM
Feb 2025

Bayard

(29,693 posts)
16. WTF!
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:20 PM
Feb 2025

The arrogance! You are not allowed to talk? Why was Zelensky even there?

And goddamn Vance--"Ukraine must agree to U.S. peace terms."

Once again, extortion and threats. I so wish Zelensky would back out of this, "deal," unless he gets some solid guarantees. And respect!

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
34. Ugh
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:40 PM
Feb 2025

There’s no reason for Zelensky to agree to the proposed “surrender to Putin and hand over all your assets to US oligarchs.”

And Europe is going to need to step up and ensure Ukrainian victory or in another two years Vance will be screaming at the German leader about how Berlin and Poland are historically Russian and he “needs to do a deal.”

Response to MayReasonRule (Original post)

leanforward

(1,134 posts)
18. Just watched the two on one
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:23 PM
Feb 2025

That was “bullying shit”. The speaking over . .
I’m just a little lost for words.
There were one and a half idiots in that room. tRump and half-vance.
President Z kept quiet, the others proved idiocy.

That leader has to go along with half-vance.

“that is all”

in2herbs

(4,389 posts)
19. One of the reasons I've heard that the newly-elected German person (don't remember name) Macron, and
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:23 PM
Feb 2025

Zelinsky met with F47 in person is that they know F47 backs down on his bluffs when confronted by these persons and he's not in front of a MAGA group. Now the world stage has further evidence of F47's bs.

Until this was explained to me I was against Zelinsky (and the others) meeting with F47. I'm glad they put (their) country over politics. Just like F47's plan for Gaza, the mineral agreement isn't going anywhere either.



in2herbs

(4,389 posts)
30. Continuation: I now understand why JD was present in the meeting: F47 doesn't have the brains to
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:36 PM
Feb 2025

discuss anything.

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
45. There's another possibility ... it might have been Pootie's idea
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:59 PM
Feb 2025

Pootie might have put Chump up to this because he's hoping Chump will get us thrown out of NATO. Enough bad behavior like today and NATO could tell us to GTF out. Even Britain would stop sticking up for us.

The Madcap

(1,904 posts)
20. No Deal!!!
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:25 PM
Feb 2025

And then I hear the U.S. might allow some Russian flights again. If there was one mistake Joe Biden made, it was not making the sanctions permanent. By T**** standards, permanent laws are easy to make by executive order.

Absolute evil!!!

LaMouffette

(2,640 posts)
22. President Zelenskyy, I can't express how deeply embarrassed I am that you had to endure that orange piece of shit sit
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:30 PM
Feb 2025

right next to you and pretend to be tough, when he would shit his Depends upon hearing a siren warning of an impending bomb strike, let alone a bomb strike itself.

You, sir, have more courage in an eyelash than that worthless subhuman has in his entire bloated-tick body.

My profound apologies to you and your country that one-third of American voters are too fucking stupid to know a fascist conman, dictator-in-the-making when they see one.

May God bless you and your country forever.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
24. *Following a growing argument between the two, Trump said that Ukraine isn't in the position to set the terms
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:31 PM
Feb 2025

for a future agreement.

"You are not in a good position. You don't have the right cards right now," Trump said.

"I'm not playing cards," Zelensky responded.

"You're disrespecting this country, you can't play with it," Trump then said.

“It’s going to make great television,” Trump said after the argument. The press briefing ended shortly after.'

KatyBR

(203 posts)
88. Watch the video- It's VANCE who lights the match on this explosion
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 06:04 PM
Feb 2025

Things were going fine until Vance (knowing how to) sets off Trump and then Trump explodes.
Vance then sits back and smiles.
VANCE should get credit for undermining Trump's Agreement with Zelensky.

Ya gotta ask - Putin attacked Ukraine so why are they treating Ukraine like it did something wrong?!!

Also, Vance suggests Zelensky was in PA campaigning for Biden. Zelensky's answer "What are you talking about?"
Meaning Vance lied yet again.

jgmiller

(688 posts)
25. Zelinsky knows Trump will never give him anything
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:32 PM
Feb 2025

It was all supposed to be a photo op and then Trump would not follow through. Zelinsky did exactly what everyone needs to do, stand up to the bully in public. Make him show his true colors. Now when Trump runs off and sucks up to Putin and tries to make a deal it will be even more obvious who is in charge of Trump.

Ukraine already knew that the only aid they will get is from the EU.

MayReasonRule

(4,099 posts)
36. European Countries Have Already Offered Alternatives To The US Mineral Deal
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:42 PM
Feb 2025

You're on point.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
26. A criminal traitor and a couch fucker trying to bow up against a patriot and democratic freedom fighter...
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:33 PM
Feb 2025

I wish Z could have told them to just fuck off and eat shit.

 

Tarzanrock

(1,250 posts)
28. Looks like the Krasnov-Turd traitor really lost his shit today with a patriot like Zelenskyy
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:34 PM
Feb 2025

Putin's puppet really embarrassed Western Civilization today. What a fucking piece of shit this god damn asshole-traitor is to Ukraine and to every other democratic country in the western alliance! Nothing but a "surrender" monkey for the Russian Dictator and the warmongering Russia nation state. For my entire life we have been fighting these warmongering Russian assholes -- now that they are on the brink of defeat -- this criminal Russian asset "surrenders" to Putin without even a "shot" being fired. 6,000 nuclear warheads aimed at us and the Krasnov-Turd traitor surrenders even after more than half the Russian conventional fighting forces have be decimated in Ukraine. This is like "surrendering" to Adolph Hitler and the Nazis right after D-Day in June, 1944 and giving Hitler a victory!

thinkingagain

(1,350 posts)
32. Trump seems to keep saying
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:39 PM
Feb 2025

Zelensky (Ukraine) has to pay the American people back what we have them.

Well as for me my share
It’s my gift to the Ukraine people.
They don’t need to pay me back.

( I know that it is like a penny and really means nothing because it don’t work that way But it’s how I feel)

KewlKat

(5,810 posts)
40. I just watched a BBC clip of the exchange....WTAF!
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:48 PM
Feb 2025

I pray that Ukraine sells the minerals to the EU....and the EU pulls together what's needed to defeat Putin. America's Ukrainian support is gone unless they bend over and take it up the bum from the felon and his henchmen.

It really pissed me off when the felon called Joe Biden a "stupid president"

KewlKat

(5,810 posts)
42. President Zelenskyy has left the building......early
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:52 PM
Feb 2025

Zelenskyy has departed the White House early, cutting his White House visit short after a heated exchange with Trump and Vance in the Oval Office.

It's not immediately clear whether Zelenskyy decided to leave early or whether Trump asked for him to depart. A news conference that was scheduled for this afternoon has been canceled.

KewlKat

(5,810 posts)
44. True Dat
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:59 PM
Feb 2025

I'm so ashamed of the scene the felon and his a$$kisser displayed today.........

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
81. Nope. Just the felon. The felon has no sense of decency. Look at the outrage across DC & the country.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 05:06 PM
Feb 2025

muriel_volestrangler

(106,211 posts)
47. No mineral deals signed, White House confirms
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:06 PM
Feb 2025
Not that we were in any doubt, but the White House has just confirmed that Trump and Zelenskyy did not sign a mineral deals during their talks today.

Trump has not ruled out an agreement, but not until Ukraine is ready to have a constructive conversation, a senior US official told Reuters.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/feb/28/volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-us-minerals-deal-russia-ukraine-live-news?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-67c207258f081ffa02a93736#block-67c207258f081ffa02a93736

Fix The Stupid

(1,000 posts)
49. How's this for 'outside the box'?
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:09 PM
Feb 2025

Zelensky should tell the USA to go pound salt and fuck off...

Then reach out to Putin and tell him if they end the war tomorrow, return the stolen land to Ukraine, then Ukraine will sign a sweetheart EXCLUSIVE deal with Russia for their minerals for the next 20 years...



paleotn

(22,218 posts)
52. Ukraine doesn't need the US.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:22 PM
Feb 2025

European allies can and have been shouldering most of the load. Only good thing that may come out of this is Europe deciding they don't need us anymore militarily. Honestly, they don't. They're bigger than we are and almost as rich. Plus, we've frustrated the hell out of them by slow walking Ukraine aid from the start and putting on silly conditions. Long range ATACMS for instance, while Ukraine is doing suicide drones deep in Russian territory. Our erstwhile, European allies will have free rein in that regard without our interference.

Mr. Mustard 2023

(361 posts)
55. Shame on Republican Senators, Shame on
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:28 PM
Feb 2025

Republican Representatives. Shame on the Republican Cabinet. Shame on Republican voters.

Dipshit Donald Trump is mentally ill.

Now that President Zelensky did the unthinkable act of disagreeing with Madman Trump, the Dipshit will seek revenge.

I think Dipshit Donald the Maniac just berated Ukraine into NATO.

Shame on Republicans, Shame on America.

Long live Ukraine & long live President Zelensky.

Kali

(56,829 posts)
86. asshole has been stewing about revenge since Z blew him off
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 05:38 PM
Feb 2025

over "investigating" the Bidens back when the "perfect" phone call happened.

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
61. The United States has turned into a huge embarrassment
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:53 PM
Feb 2025

for anyone living here with the power of independent thought.

twodogsbarking

(18,785 posts)
62. Now let's sit back and see how the media covers this. Who's winning? We aren't, my friends, we aren't.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:56 PM
Feb 2025
 

nowforever

(586 posts)
63. We have given 65 billion in military aid to Ukraine
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:58 PM
Feb 2025

The Orange Imbecile keeps spouting 350 billion. Not only an embarrassment but a traitor.

Vinca

(53,994 posts)
64. Geez - I lay down for an hour or so to read and once again all hell has broken out.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:58 PM
Feb 2025

Guess the shakedown of Ukraine failed.

AllaN01Bear

(29,493 posts)
69. now i get it . asked what did i miss on another thread . the situation does not compute . i just would
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 04:26 PM
Feb 2025

have loved bugs bunny go ehh shedup.

DallasNE

(8,008 posts)
70. I'm Betting Putin Called Trump And Told Him To Blow This Thing Up
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 04:32 PM
Feb 2025

And even gave them talking points on how to go about it. This has Putin's fingerprints all over it.

This was an ambush by Vance choreographed by Putin.

DallasNE

(8,008 posts)
74. Trump Did A Great Impersonation Of Neville Chamberlain Today
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 04:47 PM
Feb 2025

Cowering at the thought of WW III, as if it would be caused by Zelenskyy and not Putin. Weak weak weak.

valleyrogue

(2,715 posts)
72. He thinks talking over people is somehow a show of strength
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 04:35 PM
Feb 2025

rather than the fact it proves he is a narcissistic idiot.

Ditto for Vance.

PSPS

(15,321 posts)
73. Good grief. "You're not acting at all thankful. It's not a nice thing."
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 04:38 PM
Feb 2025

Then they kicked him out of the white house. Gee, so presidential!!11!111! And republicans are ok with this.

Hope22

(4,746 posts)
76. You've got to be more thankful!!!!
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 04:55 PM
Feb 2025

Translation….you are gonna pay up or die. We are the new sheriffs in town!! Disgraceful! Can’t wait to see how we have to beg for the scraps of Social Security after the raid.

Bluetus

(2,795 posts)
79. That was even more disgusting than the Access Hollywood tapes
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 04:59 PM
Feb 2025

Every American should be ashamed. This man is a low-life, and so is his sidekick.

4catsmom

(667 posts)
80. Trump trying to treat Zelensky the way Musk's kid treated Trump
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 05:04 PM
Feb 2025

Now that the US and the rest of the world has seen his pathetic art of his deal, maybe we will start to wake up.

And Vance has proved he is utterly unfit to be in public office of any kind.

I can't, in my wildest thoughts, imagine Biden acting this way and humiliating us on the world stage

notinkansas

(1,318 posts)
84. JFC - WTH - I am truly embarrassed to be an American right now.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 05:15 PM
Feb 2025

I just watched mafia trump and vance disgrace themselves - and us - by acting like such bullies. I am stunned by their browbeating of Zelenskyy. And Katy Tur is saying that Zelenskyy knew what he should do (presumably flatter and bend the knee to the don). Hell NO. Zelenskyy did the right thing by not cowering to those two thugs.

I hope all Ukranians understand that Americans are largely ashamed of the scene trump and vance just displayed. Aarrrggghhh.

I just CAN'T.

PuraVidaDreamin

(4,611 posts)
85. "You are not allowed to talk" WHOA
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 05:23 PM
Feb 2025

Isn't that what toddler Musk said to tRump in the Oval last week?

Rebl2

(17,740 posts)
89. This seems
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 06:08 PM
Feb 2025

like it was a planned attack on Zelensky all along. Then for dump to say Zelensky is not allowed to speak is outrageous. Unfortunately Zelensky walked right in to dumps trap. It’s to bad that Biden couldn’t have reached out to Zelensky to tell him to not take that meeting.

hamsterjill

(17,577 posts)
91. Fuck Trump!
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 06:23 PM
Feb 2025

He’s going to get us all killed. It’s not funny any more. The assholes who brought this on us need to die first.

We are going to be in World War III and be on the wrong fucking side. Where are the generals? Who can stop this? Ordinary people cannot.

tonekat

(2,529 posts)
92. All theatre for Putin
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 06:51 PM
Feb 2025

I hope President Zelensky gives all mineral sharing to the EU.

I'm ashamed of America with trump as the phony president.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,868 posts)
96. Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 09:01 PM
Mar 2025

This may not have been a staged stunt but trump's over-reaction to President Zelenskyy not following the script that trump want to present to the world. trump wanted to sign the rare earths/raw earths mineral deal that had on security guarantees to score a political victory. trump want to "discuss" securities guarantees at a later date (perhaps after Putin was declared the victor and got everything he wanted. President Zelensky brought up security guarantees and what we saw on Friday was an over-reaction to trump not getting what he wanted.

Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting: Officials say minerals deal would serve as commitment to US security guarantee and Ukraine leader shouldn’t have pressed issue

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for…

#TuckFrump (@realtuckfrumper.bsky.social) 2025-03-01T21:14:12Z


Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting: Officials say minerals deal would serve as commitment to US security guarantee and Ukraine leader shouldn’t have pressed issue

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for…



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/01/trump-officials-zelenskyy

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for the meltdown in the Oval Office on Friday, and expressed frustration that he pushed for security guarantees even though the US had made clear they wanted to negotiate that later, according to people familiar with the matter.

The officials had told their Ukrainian counterparts in advance of the meeting that Trump wanted to sign an economic partnership this week at a ministerial level, as aides worked on the details about security guarantees.

Trump saw the minerals deal as the first phase of a broader economic partnership and told aides it showed the US was effectively making a commitment on security guarantees, because the agreement deal would mean the US had a vested interest in Ukraine’s economic prosperity.

The officials believed that had all been communicated to Ukraine, as was the advice that senators gave Zelenskyy on Friday morning to praise Trump and not litigate the issue of wanting stronger security guarantees to his face.

To Trump’s aides, Zelenskyy did not heed that advice when he expressed skepticism at JD Vance’s view of making peace with Russia and, in their view, lectured the US vice-president on the history of Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine that started in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea......

Trump officials said privately on Saturday that Trump still wants to sign the minerals deal, but an immediate reset appeared unlikely with Trump scheduled to attend a fundraising dinner for the Maga Inc super political action committee in Palm Beach and Zelenskyy’s departure from the US for the UK......

Appearing on Fox News that evening, Zelenskyy referred to Ronald Reagan’s dictum that “peace is more than just an absence of war” and suggested that because Putin had broken dozens of ceasefire agreements already, more work was needed to reach “a just and lasting peace”. Trump appeared unimpressed when he boarded Marine One en route to Palm Beach, telling reporters[b ] that Zelenskyy needed to say publicly that he wanted to make peace and stop saying “negative things” about Putin.

trump trusts Putin and wanted this rare earths/raw earths mineral deal without explicit security guarantees becuase trump trusts Putin. President Zelensky was correct in NOT trusting Putin which pissed off trump and Vance.

To me this means that Friday was not a planned event but another example of trump's temper/stupidity getting in the way of negotiating a real peace.
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