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Mr. Sparkle

(3,711 posts)
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:35 AM Mar 2025

Elon Musk backs US withdrawal from NATO alliance

Source: ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Elon Musk, a key figure in President Donald Trump’s administration and head of the United States Department of Government Efficiency, has backed calls for the United States to leave the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO).

Musk voiced his support on X (formerly Twitter) on Saturday night when he responded “I agree” to a post stating, “It’s time to leave NATO and the UN.” His endorsement aligns with growing calls from some Republican lawmakers, including Senator Mike Lee, to reconsider the US commitment to the alliance.

Lee, a long-time critic of NATO, has described it as a “Cold War relic” and argued that the alliance “has to come to a halt.” He claims NATO is a “great deal for Europe” but a “raw deal for America”, suggesting that US resources are being stretched to protect Europe while offering little direct benefit to American security.

Musk’s comments come amid broader discussions within the Trump administration over the future of America’s role in NATO and international alliances. While Trump has not explicitly stated his intent to withdraw from NATO, he has repeatedly pressured European nations to increase their defence spending, warning that the US should not bear the financial burden of the alliance alone.

Read more: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/elon-musk-backs-us-withdrawal-from-nato-alliance/

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Elon Musk backs US withdrawal from NATO alliance (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Mar 2025 OP
I think... 2naSalit Mar 2025 #1
And I, for one... oldsoldierfadingfast Mar 2025 #5
Nah. Just revoke his citizenship and send him back to South Africa HarryM Mar 2025 #11
That would be... 2naSalit Mar 2025 #13
Yup. His citizenship should be revoked. He lied and broke the law to obtain it. travelingthrulife Mar 2025 #16
Therefore all of his profits "earned" while in the U.S. of A. should be confiscated... IthinkThereforeIAM Mar 2025 #55
Not just his profits... lonely bird Mar 2025 #75
Revoke his (Elon) bdamomma Mar 2025 #30
I think he is Canadian. True Blue American Mar 2025 #33
They are trying to kick him out. GreenWave Mar 2025 #48
Canada bdamomma Mar 2025 #82
You said it. FalloutShelter Mar 2025 #28
I agree 100%. LoisB Mar 2025 #56
Isn't it a treaty, doesn't it have to be approved by the Senate? Walleye Mar 2025 #2
Yep. HarryM Mar 2025 #12
According to the constitution. Which apparently has been replaced by the Ferengi rules of acquisition. Walleye Mar 2025 #15
Indeed... MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #57
Thank you for that image Walleye Mar 2025 #58
And the women save money BidenRocks Mar 2025 #99
All these things are pipe dreams of Trump. Musk is a bumbling idiot. True Blue American Mar 2025 #34
No. TSF don't need no stinkin Senate. Sneederbunk Mar 2025 #64
Good answer. I don't know what I was thinking. Walleye Mar 2025 #67
Shocking SheltieLover Mar 2025 #3
Better to join Russia and China and form an Axis of Evil BeyondGeography Mar 2025 #4
Of course he does.... Lovie777 Mar 2025 #6
It's already dead JBTaurus83 Mar 2025 #7
Yep, it's already done (in trump's addled brain), it's just not official yet. brush Mar 2025 #36
It helps reduce the problem of a 3rd world war being started in the region. cstanleytech Mar 2025 #8
Probably going to be kicked out anyway kerouac2 Mar 2025 #9
My opinion ...... Lovie777 Mar 2025 #10
We will be like Turkey BrianTheEVGuy Mar 2025 #39
NATO has kept LPBBEAR Mar 2025 #14
Getting out of NATO and the U.N. would be a big "f*ck you" to the world. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2025 #89
No one should care what Musk thinks. J_William_Ryan Mar 2025 #17
How much $ has Putin funneled to johnnyfins Mar 2025 #18
Probably not bdamomma Mar 2025 #32
Now, ain't that a surprise? sinkingfeeling Mar 2025 #19
Raise your hands for anyone who is surprised by his stupidity... Escurumbele Mar 2025 #20
Where is the "Brave" in the "home" the SSB anthem sings of... Justice matters. Mar 2025 #76
Stupidity....or loyalty and not necessarily loyalty to the US. cstanleytech Mar 2025 #79
Illegal immigrant dictating US policy. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #21
Musk bronxiteforever Mar 2025 #22
Exactly this! FalloutShelter Mar 2025 #31
The US Defense Industry modrepub Mar 2025 #23
I think you are mistaken. drray23 Mar 2025 #35
Hope You're Right modrepub Mar 2025 #43
They're all stupid BrianTheEVGuy Mar 2025 #24
True creon Mar 2025 #26
That is what they want. Crypto is their game. h2ebits Mar 2025 #53
Musk is fatuous creon Mar 2025 #25
Welp Katcat Mar 2025 #92
No problem creon Mar 2025 #94
Of course bdamomma Mar 2025 #27
Yes. True Blue American Mar 2025 #37
They do talk frequently, as does Orange Julius. Wouldn't be surprised if more than half the GOP congress supports Russia Evolve Dammit Mar 2025 #50
"Is Elon in Vlad's back pocket???" LudwigPastorius Mar 2025 #73
Eloon is a self-appointed expert on everything. Now he's giving advice Ocelot II Mar 2025 #29
Musk is expanding himself to be a target of opportunity world wide Historic NY Mar 2025 #38
" while offering little direct benefit to American security." Seriously? And just how big has our Firestorm49 Mar 2025 #40
Why is an IMMIGRANT dictating American policy PJMcK Mar 2025 #41
It should, but most of them are just to damn dumb to understand that they should. republianmushroom Mar 2025 #65
Who TF cares what he backs? No one voted for him. CaptainTruth Mar 2025 #42
General strike orangecrush Mar 2025 #44
I heard vandals are taking care of teslas parked on the streets... Justice matters. Mar 2025 #93
What a shame orangecrush Mar 2025 #97
Indeed! Justice matters. Mar 2025 #98
Tsf can't do that, neither can elonia. It takes 2/3s of both chambers for that to happen. If we were out thou, then PortTack Mar 2025 #45
good thing , it ain't up to fuck nutz. not talking just felonia either. Nimble_Idea Mar 2025 #46
Treasonous Idea Kid Berwyn Mar 2025 #47
Any MOS 0317 Marines patriots out there? liberalgunwilltravel Mar 2025 #49
Two World Wars proved that American isolationism doesn't work Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #51
Sure, show them who we really are. dreamland Mar 2025 #52
I think it is fair to say that the US is an unreliable international partner... walkingman Mar 2025 #54
Musk is a traitor to the U.S. Quanto Magnus Mar 2025 #59
Well, my husband says we should stay Bettie Mar 2025 #60
Sounds like a non-NATO entity is credibly attacking NATO Orrex Mar 2025 #61
Geez. Musk lied during his confirmation hearings. He needs to be removed from office immediately! JohnSJ Mar 2025 #62
My guess is that some in the GOP will privately stand up to Trump jgmiller Mar 2025 #63
Damn I hope you're right nt Unwind Your Mind Mar 2025 #78
Dumbfuckery. nt Exp Mar 2025 #66
Who the FUCK is he... purr-rat beauty Mar 2025 #68
Pro tip: Whatever Elon Musk recommends, do the opposite. Initech Mar 2025 #69
"Elon Musk backs US withdrawal from NATO alliance" LudwigPastorius Mar 2025 #70
We're well aware of Putin's position, Mr. Musk. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #71
No authority, no credibility. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #72
Nazis don't have NATO values. moondust Mar 2025 #74
Is there anything Musk doesn't know more about than you, me, and America's diplomats and military leaders? hay rick Mar 2025 #77
Must separate from the former allies liberal N proud Mar 2025 #80
He has not been elected, he is an immigrant who paid for his citizenship and he is not covered in our constitution kimbutgar Mar 2025 #81
Deport Musk Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2025 #83
I ask again... Who elected Musk!!!??? this man has to be deported for entering the country illegally! nt slightlv Mar 2025 #84
Who the fuck is he? louis-t Mar 2025 #85
Exactly mdbl Mar 2025 #88
Withdraw from NATO MissouriDem47 Mar 2025 #86
SURE! WHY WOULD WE WANT TO BE A PART OF YoshidaYui Mar 2025 #87
Hey, why stop there? DFW Mar 2025 #90
So Vlad has kompromat on elon as well as donny. Jakes Progress Mar 2025 #91
And why should anybody care what Eloon thinks? n/t valleyrogue Mar 2025 #95
fuck this motherfucking piece of shit motherfucker LymphocyteLover Mar 2025 #96
w/ drumph, no point in stayimng in NATO. might as well wait for the baby to leave or die. pansypoo53219 Mar 2025 #100
Not satisfied with dismantling FDR's New Deal, no_hypocrisy Mar 2025 #101

HarryM

(464 posts)
11. Nah. Just revoke his citizenship and send him back to South Africa
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 08:45 AM
Mar 2025

Where he can be fitted with the traditional South African necklace.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,308 posts)
55. Therefore all of his profits "earned" while in the U.S. of A. should be confiscated...
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:20 PM
Mar 2025

... just like they do to drug kingpins. All based on a false premise and questionable behaviors.

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
33. I think he is Canadian.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:27 AM
Mar 2025

They could revoke it ver easy and at the rate he is going he will not be welcome there or in Europe either.. his space ships are falling to earth every where, his cars are not selling and Trump will soon tire of his ignorance.

Walleye

(44,807 posts)
15. According to the constitution. Which apparently has been replaced by the Ferengi rules of acquisition.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 09:00 AM
Mar 2025

JBTaurus83

(1,388 posts)
7. It's already dead
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 08:09 AM
Mar 2025

Dump would never authorize any action be taken to defend Europe, so in reality we are already out of NATO.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
36. Yep, it's already done (in trump's addled brain), it's just not official yet.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:33 AM
Mar 2025

We're aligned with Russia judging from the harsh treatment Ukrainian pres Zelenskyy received in that recent Oval office meeting.

cstanleytech

(28,473 posts)
8. It helps reduce the problem of a 3rd world war being started in the region.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 08:17 AM
Mar 2025

Member countries don't dare risk attacking another member and anyone else doesn't dare attack a member this peace is maintained.

kerouac2

(1,495 posts)
9. Probably going to be kicked out anyway
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 08:22 AM
Mar 2025

He, which means we, can't be trusted.

Then trump can play victim again and demonize everyone else as he runs to his gang of evil doers.

LPBBEAR

(658 posts)
14. NATO has kept
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 08:57 AM
Mar 2025

the world from stumbling into a third world war.

These idiots are setting the stage for that scenario. If you have kids/grandkids do everything you can to keep them out of the military while Trump is in office. He'll eventually waste lives on some ridiculous ego driven military adventure.

89. Getting out of NATO and the U.N. would be a big "f*ck you" to the world.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:04 PM
Mar 2025

That would be consistent with Felon47's view of the universe, where only he knows everything and everyone else is "less than."

His tirade Friday was triggered by Zelinski telling him no. "Ukraine attacked Russia." "No." "You've never said thank you." "No." "You don't want peace." "No." "You want to cause World War Three." "No." "You re disrespecting the United States." "No." "YOU WILL BEND TO MY WILL!" "No."

European leaders are meeting this week to formulate a world in which the United States is no longer viewed as the shining example of democracy, the country that everyone turns to for strength and stability. The United States will still have a seat at the table -- but it will be at the children's table, where T***p and his minions will make lots of noise and play with their food while the adults are having meaningful discussions.

The fiasco with Zelensky was not so much an "emperor has no clothes" revelation as "who invited Drunk Uncle and his yappy dog to Thanksgiving dinner?"

J_William_Ryan

(3,496 posts)
17. No one should care what Musk thinks.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 09:21 AM
Mar 2025

That’s the problem.

What Musk thinks should be irrelevant; an unelected, unconfirmed fascist oligarch shouldn’t be involved in foreign policy decisions.

That he is, is further proof that Trump is unfit to be president.

Escurumbele

(4,094 posts)
20. Raise your hands for anyone who is surprised by his stupidity...
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 09:46 AM
Mar 2025

I have always said it, evil people are not incompetent, they are incredibly good at destroying, they work hard, they are just evil, but they are not stupid, they just do stupid things very well, they know where they are going and good people don't realize it, don't believe it, and thus they don't commit fast enough to stop them until it is late, because once these evil people take over? its very hard to bring them down.

My biggest concern right now is the idleness, the silence of the intelligent agencies, the military, why is it that we are not hearing from them? They are supposed to defend the country against foreign and domestic enemies, why are they so silent? Why are they allowing an apartheid foreigner to destroy the country? Why are they allowing a Russian agent, pretending to be president, to destroy what took 250 years to build?

Think about it, it took 250 years to build the USA Democracy, not perfect but damn good, and these people will destroy it in a year, or less. It takes 20 years to build a skyscraper (the Twin Towers), it took only one day to destroy them and kill 3,000 people in the process. The killing, this time around, is going to be massive. trump already killed thousands of people during COVID by not doing what a leader should have done, this time around it will be more deliberate, and the numbers will be much higher.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
76. Where is the "Brave" in the "home" the SSB anthem sings of...
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 02:58 PM
Mar 2025

who will rid the cancer the always lying mad "king" wannabe impostor and felonious traitor for personal gain?

modrepub

(4,109 posts)
23. The US Defense Industry
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 09:55 AM
Mar 2025

is going to loose a lot of $ if we decide to NATO. If the European Union starts financing their own weapons systems, will the US defense industry be able to find other buyers?

I guess it's time for me to start looking into investing in overseas companies. Our America first policy is going to quickly cause our former allies to stop dealing with US businesses IMHO.

drray23

(8,759 posts)
35. I think you are mistaken.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:30 AM
Mar 2025

With the exception of a few countries who are using f16's the vast majority of the European weaponry is European made. There are many fighting platforms ranging from planes ( french raffale, eurofighter typhoon,Saab gripen, etc..). Same is true for tanks , missiles, ground systems, etc.. France for example does not use anything US made.

If NATO was dismantled the EU mic would ramp up. It has increased 60 % in the past 5 years and is now roughly half that of the us with most countries only contributing 2 % of their gdp. If they ramp it up to 4 ( the us number) it would more than double it.

I have an OP on this that I posted a few days ago .


modrepub

(4,109 posts)
43. Hope You're Right
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:06 AM
Mar 2025

The only way for folks to see how damaging Republican and Trump policies truly are is if they lose money (and are directly confronted with who was responsible for them losing money, which is sometimes hard to do given the current state of the M$M).

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
24. They're all stupid
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:01 AM
Mar 2025

The entire value of the US dollar is due to the global order our alliances produced and the resulting status of the dollar as reserve currency.

Their policies would eliminate that status and send the value of the dollar plunging 90% or more within a very short time.

creon

(2,064 posts)
25. Musk is fatuous
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:21 AM
Mar 2025

Musk is a fatuous and stupid person.
He is just as demented as that big fat idiot.

He wants, just like Trump, to wreck everything and rule in Hell.

The GOP approves.

Evolve Dammit

(21,777 posts)
50. They do talk frequently, as does Orange Julius. Wouldn't be surprised if more than half the GOP congress supports Russia
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:53 AM
Mar 2025

Ocelot II

(130,538 posts)
29. Eloon is a self-appointed expert on everything. Now he's giving advice
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:24 AM
Mar 2025

on foreign policy, about which he knows as much as he does about everything else that he finds inside his own colon.

Firestorm49

(4,548 posts)
40. " while offering little direct benefit to American security." Seriously? And just how big has our
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:57 AM
Mar 2025

defense budget been? Other than the radical attack on 911, this country, under prior competent leadership of both Democrats and Republicans, has seemed to be quite secure. We HAD an FBI that was very effective as well as strong branches of the military. The only threat to our security now is the boy fuehrer and his band of uneducated, ill-equipped mental morons in what is jokingly referred to as a Cabinet.

I hope we survive the next four years.

CaptainTruth

(8,202 posts)
42. Who TF cares what he backs? No one voted for him.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:04 AM
Mar 2025

I back someone backing over him with a Panzertruck.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
98. Indeed!
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:27 PM
Mar 2025

Easy to predict car insurance premiums are about to go through the roof on each new (and old) tesla sold over there...

What a shame, indeed!

PortTack

(35,820 posts)
45. Tsf can't do that, neither can elonia. It takes 2/3s of both chambers for that to happen. If we were out thou, then
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:34 AM
Mar 2025

Ukraine might be able to join. So go ahead do everything to decimate our financial commitment. In the long run it helps Ukraine and hurts russia

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
47. Treasonous Idea
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:46 AM
Mar 2025

Giving up our Allies, whose freedom millions of Americans sacrificed life and limb to preserve, in order to appease our nation’s chief adversary is treason.

May as well just give Putin Alaska, Hawai’i and the Lower 48.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
51. Two World Wars proved that American isolationism doesn't work
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:00 PM
Mar 2025

America First leads to America Alone which leads to American isolationism which leads to free reign for dictators and that leads to world in flames as they attack democracies.

dreamland

(1,121 posts)
52. Sure, show them who we really are.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:00 PM
Mar 2025

Commie loving, Putin pushing, distrustful, entitled brats. This will certainly solidify our image of being a Land of the Fee and Home of the Knave.

walkingman

(10,865 posts)
54. I think it is fair to say that the US is an unreliable international partner...
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:18 PM
Mar 2025

Last edited Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:51 PM - Edit history (1)

The US has always broken its treaties, pacts and promises. Unreliability about treaties is an old US tradition. It starts with the country’s creation: hundreds of treaties signed with Native American tribes that were broken.

I hope that we don't throw our European allies under the bus, but it would not surprise me.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
60. Well, my husband says we should stay
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:08 PM
Mar 2025

and I agree...so we should stay.

Seriously, it is neither his nor my DH's decision...I wish he would shut his stupid pie hole.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
62. Geez. Musk lied during his confirmation hearings. He needs to be removed from office immediately!
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:18 PM
Mar 2025


jgmiller

(688 posts)
63. My guess is that some in the GOP will privately stand up to Trump
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:27 PM
Mar 2025

and tell him that if he does either of these things then their public support of him ends. They won't be brave enough to say that publicly but they will tell him that is their red line.

purr-rat beauty

(1,257 posts)
68. Who the FUCK is he...
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:38 PM
Mar 2025

....but a guy with alot of money?

EVERY Nation that does business with muskrat in any way shape or form should bury their contracts

Initech

(108,783 posts)
69. Pro tip: Whatever Elon Musk recommends, do the opposite.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:49 PM
Mar 2025

Fuck you Elon. Fuck you to the hottest circle of hell.

LudwigPastorius

(14,726 posts)
70. "Elon Musk backs US withdrawal from NATO alliance"
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:52 PM
Mar 2025

Of course he does. That's national defense money that could be going into his pocket.

Our position as the linchpin member of NATO is essentially over anyway. Trump may not be able to unilaterally withdraw from the treaty, but I doubt there is a European leader today who believes that he would honor Article 5.

 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
72. No authority, no credibility.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 02:07 PM
Mar 2025

1. Elon Musk is not an authority on this, so it's worth asking why the media reports on it.

2. He is not a government official in any capacity, so to some extent the media is giving him an even greater platform by covering his rantings.

moondust

(21,287 posts)
74. Nazis don't have NATO values.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 02:48 PM
Mar 2025

Like the Nazis before him, Mr. Skum would naturally see NATO as the enemy.

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
77. Is there anything Musk doesn't know more about than you, me, and America's diplomats and military leaders?
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 03:08 PM
Mar 2025

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
81. He has not been elected, he is an immigrant who paid for his citizenship and he is not covered in our constitution
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 04:27 PM
Mar 2025

He must have some pretty good blackmail on the 🍑💩🤡!

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
84. I ask again... Who elected Musk!!!??? this man has to be deported for entering the country illegally! nt
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:06 PM
Mar 2025

mdbl

(8,658 posts)
88. Exactly
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 06:41 PM
Mar 2025

No one F'ing cares what he thinks and we should not be giving him government contracts. He's a F'ing traitor.

YoshidaYui

(45,415 posts)
87. SURE! WHY WOULD WE WANT TO BE A PART OF
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 06:32 PM
Mar 2025

THE UN OR NATO WHEN WE CAN BE APART OF THE NEW SOVIET UNION??? WHO HERE IS READY TO LEARN RUSSIAN???

DFW

(60,186 posts)
90. Hey, why stop there?
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:15 PM
Mar 2025

Maybe Musk would like to take the USA out of North America altogether. Just declare the USA to be its own continent (make Rand McNally go back and change the maps again), and tell Canada and Mexico we don’t want to be part of the same continent they are on any more. Since the Rio Grande wouldn’t be the border between the USA and Mexico any more, Trump would issue an executive order re-naming it the Rio Pequeño.

no_hypocrisy

(54,908 posts)
101. Not satisfied with dismantling FDR's New Deal,
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 06:29 AM
Mar 2025

now Trump and Musk want to destroy the work of Eleanor Roosevelt (United Nations).

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