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NJCher

(43,085 posts)
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 04:12 PM Mar 2025

Mike Johnson Breaks With Trump, Calls Putin a 'Threat to America,' Warns of New Axis Forming on President's Watch

Source: Daily Boulder

House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) publicly distanced himself from President Donald Trump on Sunday, calling Russian President Vladimir Putin a “threat to America” and warning of a dangerous new alliance forming between Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea—what he described as a “new Axis” of hostile nations.

In an interview on CNN’s State of the Union, Johnson firmly stated, “I think Vladimir Putin is an old-school communist, a former KGB agent, and he’s not to be trusted and he is dangerous.” He added that these nations, including Russia, are aligning against the U.S. and that the situation under Trump’s watch could lead to severe consequences. “Let’s be crystal clear about that,” Johnson emphasized.

Johnson’s remarks followed a heated exchange in the Oval Office on Friday, where Trump, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and Vice President Vance clashed over U.S. support for Ukraine. Trump has been calling for an end to the war between Russia and Ukraine, but his warming relationship with Putin has raised concerns among some Republicans. Trump’s comments on Truth Social, accusing Zelensky of not being ready for peace, further spotlighted the growing divide between him and other members of his party.

While Trump has tried to play the role of a peacemaker, Johnson made it clear that he does not agree with Trump’s approach, especially regarding Putin. He expressed skepticism about relying on Putin’s promises, stating, “You have to have both parties at the table. To do that, you have to negotiate with both parties, and there has to be a willingness on both sides to bring it to an end.” Johnson underscored that Putin’s past actions show he is a threat to the U.S. and that America must be cautious in trusting him.

Read more: https://dailyboulder.com/mike-johnson-breaks-with-trump-calls-putin-a-threat-to-america-warns-of-new-axis-forming-on-presidents-watch/

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Mike Johnson Breaks With Trump, Calls Putin a 'Threat to America,' Warns of New Axis Forming on President's Watch (Original Post) NJCher Mar 2025 OP
He is about to get scolded and reprimanded by the felon liberal N proud Mar 2025 #1
Hell, this is more like bluestarone Mar 2025 #11
A well funded primary challenger at the very least Attilatheblond Mar 2025 #64
Another L Graham ... Lovie777 Mar 2025 #27
My thoughts exactly DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #88
Come on Johnson. Go give it a big smooch. You know you want to! GreenWave Mar 2025 #41
And he will immediately apologize to the piece of shit. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2025 #80
If he has the same opinion tomorrow morning, we may be seeing something of value . . . Journeyman Mar 2025 #2
Regardless, he'll give tRump a standing ovation on Tuesday night. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #37
I think you hit the nail on the head. lark Mar 2025 #39
If he holds these opinions for more than 25 hours BonnieJW Mar 2025 #73
This orangecrush Mar 2025 #85
Wow! BaronChocula Mar 2025 #3
There may be big players involved behind the scenes delisen Mar 2025 #14
That would also be a break UpInArms Mar 2025 #19
Yes. Thiel's Palantir also contracts security with UK delisen Mar 2025 #25
"Possibly markodochartaigh Mar 2025 #56
Would not surprise me in the least ... nt TBF Mar 2025 #121
in keeping with that, here is what Johnson said about NJCher Mar 2025 #94
Beat me to it. FalloutShelter Mar 2025 #30
Wow. I never thought this would happen. Maybe livetohike Mar 2025 #4
You know he will be getting an angry and threatening phone call from the orange mafia monster by tommorow kimbutgar Mar 2025 #5
Oh I want to be hopeful that this might lead to some real Marie Marie Mar 2025 #6
The orange claudette Mar 2025 #7
I think TSF okayed MAGA Mike poli-junkie Mar 2025 #8
Smells like Melanie's pro-choice utterances before the election not fooled Mar 2025 #112
I take this to mean fast onset dementia is on the horizon bucolic_frolic Mar 2025 #9
This is surprising. He needs to lead an impeachment Qutzupalotl Mar 2025 #10
He'd love for Trump and Vance to be impeached (& convicted). Then he'd be president. (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2025 #61
Right. Unlikely, and not much of an improvement, Qutzupalotl Mar 2025 #62
This is from the Onion, right? jls4561 Mar 2025 #12
That was my first thought The Madcap Mar 2025 #31
If Johnson is ditching trump, then trump's in trouble. Hope so. (nt) Paladin Mar 2025 #13
They are screwed. They have to choose between their constituents and Trusk. Blasphemer Mar 2025 #35
You forget who's actually backing Johnson... it's not necessarily slightlv Mar 2025 #52
I thought I was the only one thinking the end game was Putin taking over the US. NH Ethylene Mar 2025 #71
I've posted several times how I think the USA will be repopulated... ananda Mar 2025 #93
Yippers... they're sure working hard at it. slightlv Mar 2025 #101
Hmm. If only they had a 5 million dollar johnnyfins Mar 2025 #125
Doubt it. Performative BS. Trying to let a little steam out of the pressure cooker. nt wiggs Mar 2025 #42
I just hope Johnson steps over the line, one time too many. Paladin Mar 2025 #55
Those really in charge are calling the shots. Good! Nt Quixote1818 Mar 2025 #128
Johnson bdamomma Mar 2025 #15
I'm thinking he is playing patsy Skittles Mar 2025 #109
He's flip-flopping around like a Louisiana crawfish BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #16
I have my Lil' Marko "apology for how I acted" stopwatch running right now.... Bengus81 Mar 2025 #23
Maga Mike iniitally started out excoriating and insulting Zelenskyy BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #38
Wow? Can it be true? Lulu KC Mar 2025 #17
Its like having a cartoon character join our side. milestogo Mar 2025 #18
He is trying to make himself look presidential. bob4460 Mar 2025 #20
Umm, Mike, we're now part of that axis. paleotn Mar 2025 #21
Mike getting scolded by Dump in 3, 2, 1.... sakabatou Mar 2025 #22
Dump might make an exception this time, dispense with the niceties, and go right to the visit Judi Lynn Mar 2025 #54
Though I agree with him, I'm impatiently awaiting his Auto-da-f wolfie001 Mar 2025 #24
I don't know, Mike Johnson calling Putin an "old-school communist"? FakeNoose Mar 2025 #26
Yeah, Putin is NO communist. Just a regular despot with big bucks Attilatheblond Mar 2025 #67
Yep - we've taught them all about the joys of capitalism FakeNoose Mar 2025 #83
This isn't The Onion? Native Mar 2025 #28
I was Codifer Mar 2025 #47
Well let's give it 48 hours Raven123 Mar 2025 #29
kabuki theater FirstLight Mar 2025 #32
He did? creon Mar 2025 #33
Standing ovation Mz Pip Mar 2025 #34
Wow DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #36
Sounds like somebody got a call from defense contractors telling him to keep the money flowing. In this case, that's a artemisia1 Mar 2025 #40
He is talking out of both sides of his mouth. JohnSJ Mar 2025 #43
+1 dalton99a Mar 2025 #95
Oh my, did they drop? Buddyzbuddy Mar 2025 #44
Interesting, sounds contradictory to this: Johnson says Zelenskyy may need to resign Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2025 #45
Pres Dump is trying to make the US part of the new axis of evil mdbl Mar 2025 #46
Let's see what he says by Tuesday Hekate Mar 2025 #48
How big of him. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #49
Hmmmm. notinkansas Mar 2025 #50
I thought this was the Onion.😂 bamagal62 Mar 2025 #51
Putin in not any school of Communist, old or otherwise. Oligarch, kleptocrat, autocrat, dictator... ToxMarz Mar 2025 #53
war criminal is another. Justice matters. Mar 2025 #60
How does he keep track of his kacekwl Mar 2025 #57
This may have ramifications in at least part of the rest of the House. Prairie_Seagull Mar 2025 #58
huff po is reporting he is among those calling for his (Zelenskys) ouster AmandaRuth Mar 2025 #59
He talks out of both sides of his mouth. CanonRay Mar 2025 #63
Let's hold off on bashing Mikie for a couple of days. This may be significant or just more of the same. flashman13 Mar 2025 #65
MIKE , MIKE, MIKE, ...WHAT day is it?? YoshidaYui Mar 2025 #66
This article Rainman4u2C Mar 2025 #68
First of all NJCher Mar 2025 #79
Thank you Rainman4u2C Mar 2025 #133
Mike Johnson Is A Fascist Turd Gestated In Trump's Septic Bowels And Shat Out Of His Prolapsed Gaping Asshole MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #132
One of two things will happen real soon. patphil Mar 2025 #69
Speaker Johnson says Zelenskyy may have to resign after fiery Oval Office meeting Galraedia Mar 2025 #70
The sky is blue, and water is wet Pototan Mar 2025 #72
He's a Republican. Republicans lie. It's what they do. It's who they are. hatrack Mar 2025 #74
Better not go close to any windows.. Playingmantis Mar 2025 #75
I thought this was important, when I first saw it. elleng Mar 2025 #76
It is important NJCher Mar 2025 #89
Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #77
Mike you know what you have to do for the good of the country Blues Heron Mar 2025 #78
Expect a mewling doublespeak backtrack to placate The Dotard soon. RockRaven Mar 2025 #81
Is this the onion? Iris Mar 2025 #82
FAFO applegrove Mar 2025 #84
The irony here is that soldierant Mar 2025 #86
Did any of you check the site?. cachukis Mar 2025 #87
nope, nope, nopity nope NJCher Mar 2025 #91
Have found the Daily Boulder questionable. cachukis Mar 2025 #116
Mike: You can give your heart to Jesus usonian Mar 2025 #90
Mike the Magician BidenRocks Mar 2025 #92
Putin will address a joint session of Congress probably later this year and Johnson will clap dalton99a Mar 2025 #96
Johnson has backed asset forfeiture from Russia as late as last year NJCher Mar 2025 #97
Defense contractors are huge donors IbogaProject Mar 2025 #98
yep NJCher Mar 2025 #100
This Caught Me Flatfooted DallasNE Mar 2025 #99
I don't believe a word that comes out of ANY Republican's mouth. ReRe Mar 2025 #102
see post NJCher Mar 2025 #103
There you go. ReRe Mar 2025 #106
At first I thought this was from The Onion nt timvrip Mar 2025 #104
Johnson SuzyandPuffpuff Mar 2025 #105
Cannot believe it.. ellise Mar 2025 #107
grow a pair of what? Skittles Mar 2025 #110
Dodgy, stitched-up article from a questionable source. It takes a few snippets of real quotes then falsely frames them. Celerity Mar 2025 #108
These points have already been made NJCher Mar 2025 #111
Post 68 did not go into any detail. I gave the entire transcript from the start until they finished discussing Putin and Celerity Mar 2025 #113
You can't dismiss the fact NJCher Mar 2025 #114
I do not have to 'look deeper' as I have read the entire transcript AND watched the full video, neither of which show Celerity Mar 2025 #115
And this NJCher Mar 2025 #117
It is not thinking error from my end whatsoever. Your OP's article source pushes a false quote and problematic framing. Celerity Mar 2025 #120
I think you don't understand NJCher Mar 2025 #122
The Daily Boulder isn't a reputable source, nor is it a mainstream source. Celerity Mar 2025 #123
Johnson obviously remembered what Dick Cheney taught him to sing in Kindergarten: DFW Mar 2025 #118
Lying for Jesus! travelingthrulife Mar 2025 #119
Christian Nationalists versus Billionaire Tech guys. pandr32 Mar 2025 #124
trump and vance have isolated themselves LuvLoogie Mar 2025 #126
So Trump is not calling the shots. Someone in the background with a lot of money is nt Quixote1818 Mar 2025 #127
This is the POS who said: "The videos you saw of the town halls were for paid protesters... red dog 1 Mar 2025 #129
Bullshit pipedream. I don't believe it for a second. K&R, nt. druidity33 Mar 2025 #130
So Johnson and his religious radicals don't want to convert to Russian Orthodox? SupportSanity Mar 2025 #131

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
88. My thoughts exactly
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:02 PM
Mar 2025

Lindsay flipped a 180 with just one conversation with Trump.......

Maybe Putin has some Kompromat on him, just like he obviously has on Trump and Lindsay...

Putin has been investigating up and coming individuals in the U.S. since the late 80's or early 90's......

A former KGB member recently disclosed that Putin had been collecting info on Trump since the 90's and then began grooming him.
Obviously countless times Trump had needed large amounts of money through out his career when he made a large number of putrid business decisions, and he always tended to land on his feet????......Maybe in 2015 Putin called in some favors and told him to run for president? and then guided his every move from Russia????????

Putin certainly came up with the operation to funnel hundreds of millions through the U.S. NRA to Republican candidates from Trump down through the ballots.....Also something made much much easier for U.S. Oligarchs and Corporations to do thanks to
"Citizens United" (USSC 2010)

lark

(26,068 posts)
39. I think you hit the nail on the head.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 06:00 PM
Mar 2025

TSF will give him a tongue lashing, threaten him as Speaker if he puts anything Pro-Ukraine in the budget and using his tired old threat of "primarying" and Moses will cave as always. Bet on it!

Of course miracles happen occasionally, just haven't seen magats recognizing reality so would be shocked!

BonnieJW

(3,120 posts)
73. If he holds these opinions for more than 25 hours
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:08 PM
Mar 2025

I'd be willing to admit that maybe the little worm has started growing a pair.

delisen

(7,348 posts)
14. There may be big players involved behind the scenes
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 04:46 PM
Mar 2025

standing in the shadows. I honestly do not know.

I had looked up Peter Thiel last night and was surprised to learn that he has been backing Ukraine.

If so that would put Vance at odds with his main benefactor.

delisen

(7,348 posts)
25. Yes. Thiel's Palantir also contracts security with UK
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:24 PM
Mar 2025

Palantir and Musk seem to be on opposite sides.

Possibly we are all just collateral damage in some War of the Billionaires Titans.

markodochartaigh

(5,503 posts)
56. "Possibly
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:06 PM
Mar 2025

we are all just collateral damage in some War of the Billionaires Titans."

Absolutely. When the elephants fight, it is the cities of the ants which are destroyed.

NJCher

(43,085 posts)
94. in keeping with that, here is what Johnson said about
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 12:20 AM
Mar 2025

the GOP supporting Putin:

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5171486-johnson-dismisses-concerns-gop-putin/


Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) attempted to dismiss concerns after President Trump’s fiery meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, noting it would be “absurd” for Republicans to stand behind Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Johnson joined NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, where he discussed the failed deal and meeting between Trump and Zelensky.


https://thehill.com/policy/international/5171486-johnson-dismisses-concerns-gop-putin/

The article concludes:

As Trump signals his closeness to Putin, Johnson attempted to distance the U.S. from the Kremlin.

“I’d like to see Putin defeated, frankly. He is an adversary of the United States. But in this conflict, we’ve got to bring [an end to] this war. It’s in everybody’s interest.”

FalloutShelter

(14,433 posts)
30. Beat me to it.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:31 PM
Mar 2025

Looks like someone… wonder who? … had a chat with Mikey, or are they good cop/bad cop’n it?

livetohike

(24,259 posts)
4. Wow. I never thought this would happen. Maybe
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 04:21 PM
Mar 2025

it’s a sign of discontent in the party. Now that the Speaker has gone public maybe others will follow. Only a fool would believe that Putin doesn’t have ulterior motives.

kimbutgar

(27,220 posts)
5. You know he will be getting an angry and threatening phone call from the orange mafia monster by tommorow
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 04:24 PM
Mar 2025

Marie Marie

(11,235 posts)
6. Oh I want to be hopeful that this might lead to some real
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 04:25 PM
Mar 2025

push back and opposition but then this is Mike Johnson we are talking about. SIGH!

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
7. The orange
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 04:30 PM
Mar 2025

felon has made America a member of that Axis of evil by voting NO at the UN. And yet this magat hypocrite wants Dems to give Dumpy a standing ovation at the state of the union liefest

poli-junkie

(1,555 posts)
8. I think TSF okayed MAGA Mike
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 04:31 PM
Mar 2025

to say anti Putin things, with a wink wink nudge nudge to the Pooster.

not fooled

(6,668 posts)
112. Smells like Melanie's pro-choice utterances before the election
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 06:47 AM
Mar 2025

Something to show the outraged masses that the GQPee isn’t reeaallyy supporting a Russian dictator. “Oh gee, folks, we wouldn’t really do that” while pushing pro-Kremlin, anti-Ukraine policies. When he brings a funding bill for arms or aid to Ukraine, then I’ll believe the little sh*tweasel.

Qutzupalotl

(15,808 posts)
10. This is surprising. He needs to lead an impeachment
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 04:36 PM
Mar 2025

of Trump and Vance, because neither one will ever stand up to Putin. I’m not holding my breath.

Qutzupalotl

(15,808 posts)
62. Right. Unlikely, and not much of an improvement,
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:35 PM
Mar 2025

but at least he wouldn’t be as much of a wrecking ball, and Ukraine might survive.

Blasphemer

(3,620 posts)
35. They are screwed. They have to choose between their constituents and Trusk.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:57 PM
Mar 2025

They either get voted out or they have to deal with the repercussions of crossing Trusk and Putin. The ones with huge Epstein-size skeletons will bend the knee. The ones without skeletons will try to save their career. It won't be pretty either way.

slightlv

(7,775 posts)
52. You forget who's actually backing Johnson... it's not necessarily
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 06:58 PM
Mar 2025

trump's magats; it's the white nationalist evangelical church. If Putin takes over America (which I've thought is a distinctive proposal), it might not be so easy to setup the theocratic state these god-botherers want so bad.

Remember... the R's made strange bedfellows to be able to cheat like they've done and get to where they are. The two groups are NOT necessarily complimentary.

NH Ethylene

(31,338 posts)
71. I thought I was the only one thinking the end game was Putin taking over the US.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:01 PM
Mar 2025

And I doubt Trump even realizes it.

ananda

(35,067 posts)
93. I've posted several times how I think the USA will be repopulated...
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 12:20 AM
Mar 2025

with people from autocratic countries, particularly rich ones.

slightlv

(7,775 posts)
101. Yippers... they're sure working hard at it.
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 12:59 AM
Mar 2025

Of course, it's also a ploy to hide the money laundering industry trump controls in the country.

wiggs

(8,791 posts)
42. Doubt it. Performative BS. Trying to let a little steam out of the pressure cooker. nt
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 06:05 PM
Mar 2025
 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
55. I just hope Johnson steps over the line, one time too many.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:04 PM
Mar 2025

It won't take much for trump/musk to judge him as a mortal enemy. Can't happen soon enough to suit me. The trump regime is devolving into Clusterfuck City, faster than I ever dreamed it would. I pray that there are enough savvy Democrats in D.C. power positions to take advantage of what's happening...

Skittles

(171,526 posts)
109. I'm thinking he is playing patsy
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 05:53 AM
Mar 2025

to let the rubes think yeah they're not ALL fascist fucks

there is not an honorable bone in his body, he's a Trump whore

Bengus81

(10,138 posts)
23. I have my Lil' Marko "apology for how I acted" stopwatch running right now....
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:21 PM
Mar 2025

See how long it takes Maga Mike to fold like a soggy deck of cards and tweet how great his fuhrer really is.

BumRushDaShow

(169,219 posts)
38. Maga Mike iniitally started out excoriating and insulting Zelenskyy
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:59 PM
Mar 2025

which is why I was actually shocked that he reversed himself.

If he keeps it up....

bob4460

(390 posts)
20. He is trying to make himself look presidential.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:13 PM
Mar 2025

Remember he is second in line, and if the Republicans take out Trump they will take out Vance.

paleotn

(22,173 posts)
21. Umm, Mike, we're now part of that axis.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:14 PM
Mar 2025

Next, he'll be going all "Dr. Frankenstein" like Mitch McConnell. You enabled this, Mike. You own it.

Judi Lynn

(164,122 posts)
54. Dump might make an exception this time, dispense with the niceties, and go right to the visit
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:00 PM
Mar 2025

from a Proud Boy at home, brandishing a hammer, just as it was done in San Francisco . . .

wolfie001

(7,607 posts)
24. Though I agree with him, I'm impatiently awaiting his Auto-da-f
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:23 PM
Mar 2025

C'mon donald dump, you can't just let him get away with that, right?

FakeNoose

(41,446 posts)
26. I don't know, Mike Johnson calling Putin an "old-school communist"?
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:26 PM
Mar 2025

What's going on there? Putin is clearly NOT a communist of any stripe, and he's arguably one of the wealthiest men EVER to live on this planet. Johnson is correct in saying that Putin is not to be trusted, and he's very dangerous.

Maybe Johnson is having trouble thinking of a mean thing to call Putin that wouldn't be edited by the TV journalists and newspaper editors. I don't know. I'd rather see Johnson go after Chump straight out, like he deserves to be attacked. Johnson could do a lot more in that department if he really wanted to raise holy hell.

Seems like ol' Mike must be hearing from a lot of angry people in Louisiana. That's how democracy works, Mike! Sooner or later you have to answer to the voters who put you in office.

Attilatheblond

(8,830 posts)
67. Yeah, Putin is NO communist. Just a regular despot with big bucks
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 09:18 PM
Mar 2025

Frankly, it seems there are no communists anywhere these days.

FakeNoose

(41,446 posts)
83. Yep - we've taught them all about the joys of capitalism
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:36 PM
Mar 2025

... and they're hooked. I wish we had put more effort into teaching about democracy.

creon

(2,064 posts)
33. He did?
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:49 PM
Mar 2025

Well, that is good I suppose.
But, Johnson and the GOP are far from prepared to oppose Trump.
It will take a lot more than playing the fool in the WH

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
36. Wow
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 05:57 PM
Mar 2025

"Vladimir Putin a “threat to America” and warning of a dangerous new alliance forming between Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea—what he described as a “new Axis” of hostile nations."

Notably missing was Comrade Trump's USA.........

If Trump doesn't "take him out", Putin will have one of his agent's in the U.S. help Johnson find a sixth story window......

This time around folks, they are playing hardcore for keeps........

artemisia1

(1,854 posts)
40. Sounds like somebody got a call from defense contractors telling him to keep the money flowing. In this case, that's a
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 06:02 PM
Mar 2025

good thing, if for the wrong reasons.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,379 posts)
45. Interesting, sounds contradictory to this: Johnson says Zelenskyy may need to resign
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 06:22 PM
Mar 2025

Speaker Mike Johnson on Sunday said that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy might need to resign to bring peace to his country following a contentious meeting between Zelenskyy, President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday.

“Something has to change,” Johnson said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, echoing comments made Friday by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). “Either he needs to come to his senses and come back to the table in gratitude, or someone else needs to lead the country to do that.”

Johnson’s comments on Sunday come on the heels of a heated exchange between Zelenskyy, Trump and Vance in the Oval Office on Friday, where Zelenskyy was accused of not sharing enough gratitude for U.S.’s role in trying to end the war and not wanting to come to a peace agreement.

“The fact that he acted as he did, I think, was a great disappointment,” Johnson said of Zelenskyy’s behavior in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/johnson-says-zelenskyy-may-resign-154233643.html

STFU you pious phony.

 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
49. How big of him.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 06:37 PM
Mar 2025

Aid and abet the overthrow of the republic by the worst traitors in American history, then express grievances to send a signal that he wants more attention from the coup regime.

ToxMarz

(2,912 posts)
53. Putin in not any school of Communist, old or otherwise. Oligarch, kleptocrat, autocrat, dictator...
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 06:59 PM
Mar 2025

There are so many more fitting discriptors, but like most Repukes, communist is a general pejorative they throw around. They can't define it and don't care.

But if you don't know shit, how are you ever gonna get shit done.

Justice matters.

(9,747 posts)
60. war criminal is another.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:22 PM
Mar 2025

You know, murdering pregnant women in Maternity ward while they are about to deliver or just did...

I thought these holier-than-thou hypocrites were against that more than anything else!

kacekwl

(9,124 posts)
57. How does he keep track of his
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:10 PM
Mar 2025

opinion day to day ? I heard he told trump he had his fingers crossed when said that.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,662 posts)
58. This may have ramifications in at least part of the rest of the House.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:15 PM
Mar 2025

Possibly even beyond.

Fingers crossed.

IMO

AmandaRuth

(3,199 posts)
59. huff po is reporting he is among those calling for his (Zelenskys) ouster
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:19 PM
Mar 2025

so he came to heel pretty fast

flashman13

(2,372 posts)
65. Let's hold off on bashing Mikie for a couple of days. This may be significant or just more of the same.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 09:10 PM
Mar 2025

NJCher

(43,085 posts)
79. First of all
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:25 PM
Mar 2025

Welcome to DU.

I would really like to hear your thoughts on why you think the article is BS. I watched it and I think it reveals something very, very interesting. I want to find out if your thoughts are the same as mine, but I wouldn't blame the article.

So please--let's hear why you think this. I realize you're new to DU, but don't be afraid to document your reasoning with the video you've presented and the time at which the Speaker says it so we can easily check the remarks for intonation, body language, etc.

Now, for example, he calls out Putin in no uncertain terms at the 5:30 mark. He calls him an "old school communist" and says he is in an axis that is not on "our side." He mentions China, N. Korea, Iran, etc. He then says he wants to be "crystal clear," America is "back."

I also think that what Johnson is saying is genuine, but not in the way he might think.

In this video, there is also another way that he (comically--not intended) draws the line between him and trump.

Looking forward to your response.

 

Rainman4u2C

(58 posts)
133. Thank you
Tue Mar 4, 2025, 07:31 PM
Mar 2025

for the welcome! I have been reading here for over a decade but just recently joined and post very little.

I watched the video several times and from the article it describes "House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) publicly distanced himself from President Donald Trump". I saw none of that verbally or in the form of body language at all.

In the second paragraph it says exactly the following----He added that these nations, including Russia, are aligning against the U.S. and that the situation under Trump's watch could lead to severe consequences. "Let's be crystal clear about that," Johnson emphasized.
Punctuation matters. The implication not taking the punctuation into account is that he said all of that which he didn't. He only said the last part hence why it's quoted.

In the last paragraph---Johnson made it clear that he does not agree with Trump's approach, especially regarding Putin. He expressed skepticism about relying on Putin's promises, stating " you have to have both parties at the table. To do that, you have to negotiate with both parties, and there has to be willingness on both sides to bring it to an end."
Nowhere in that video did Johnson " make it clear" that he does not agree with trump.

Like I said I appreciate the welcome.

MayReasonRule

(4,097 posts)
132. Mike Johnson Is A Fascist Turd Gestated In Trump's Septic Bowels And Shat Out Of His Prolapsed Gaping Asshole
Tue Mar 4, 2025, 12:15 PM
Mar 2025

patphil

(9,023 posts)
69. One of two things will happen real soon.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 09:41 PM
Mar 2025

Either Mike Johnson will pull a "Lindsey Graham" and prostrate himself at the feet of Trump, or he'll be replaced as Speaker of the House.

Even is he does kiss up to Trump, he'll probably be removed as Speaker in the near future.
Trump demands loyalty, and doesn't allow those who aren't loyal to have any power or position in his government.

Galraedia

(5,330 posts)
70. Speaker Johnson says Zelenskyy may have to resign after fiery Oval Office meeting
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 09:49 PM
Mar 2025

House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., said Sunday that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy “needs to come to his senses and come back to the table in gratitude or someone else needs to lead the country” for Ukraine to continue pursuing a peace deal negotiated by the United States.
Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/speaker-johnson-zelenskyy-resign-fiery-oval-office-meeting-rcna194385

Fuck that cucked POS.

Pototan

(3,101 posts)
72. The sky is blue, and water is wet
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:04 PM
Mar 2025

WTF. It should not be courageous or dangerous to point out the obvious.

hatrack

(64,817 posts)
74. He's a Republican. Republicans lie. It's what they do. It's who they are.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:11 PM
Mar 2025

And besides. once Shitstain jerks the leash, that'll be the end of that.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
76. I thought this was important, when I first saw it.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:23 PM
Mar 2025

Looks like I wasn't the only one, who did.

Important GOOD, or BAD?

NJCher

(43,085 posts)
89. It is important
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:03 PM
Mar 2025

but not necessarily for the obvious reasons, which appear to be Johnson drawing a line in the sand between him and dump.

Where it all sunk in is when I watched the video posted above (rainman4u2c, post 68). Then it all started falling into place.

If you will note the poster comments, posters seem genuinely baffled as to Johnson having said what he has said (characterizing Putin as an old school Communist, etc.) Some are saying he'll pull a Lindsay Graham, others are blaming the source, some think he'll get removed from his speakership, etc.--all kinds of rationales, but nobody has hit on what I have deduced from watching that video.

I'm waiting for the poster of 68 to respond to me. I'd like to see if he's got an answer.

Sorry to be nebulous, but I really want to see if he's seeing what I'm seeing.

Response to NJCher (Original post)

Blues Heron

(8,765 posts)
78. Mike you know what you have to do for the good of the country
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:24 PM
Mar 2025

Impeach all of them and be a hero, Twiddle your thumb and be a zero. Do the right thing bro, wake up.

soldierant

(9,340 posts)
86. The irony here is that
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:42 PM
Mar 2025

although heaven knows Putin is evil, and old=school communist is not what he is by any stretch. He's more like a Christian Nationalist, the church on question being the Orthodox church. He's cozy with the church hierarchy, and, like American Christian Nationalists, doesn't mind a bit using the church to enslave the people.

Classic Communism - not that we've ever seen it in practice, because in order to live that way everyone involved needs to be almost too virtuous to live - but classic Communism in theory didn't have dictators and didn't tolerate religion. Putin is more of a Fascist. (Stalin was too. Which makes the history of WWII very interesting.)

Hearing a Christian Nationalist like Johnson call Putin an "old-school Communist" is probably more a low point of absurdity than the height of it, but absurd it is. Although most Americans likely won't see it. It's not only critical thinking which hasn't been taught for too long, but also the importance of individual words - that they have actual and specific meanings, and that using them otherwise is death to communication.

cachukis

(3,909 posts)
87. Did any of you check the site?.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:54 PM
Mar 2025

Have you ever listened to the smarm of Johnson.
There is no way he would go back on his trumpism.
This is satire.
JFC.

NJCher

(43,085 posts)
91. nope, nope, nopity nope
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 12:01 AM
Mar 2025

You are missing something really big here.

Do a search and you will find this is being widely discussed across the internet, not just here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143407776

A clue for you is in the video posted above, #68. If you watched it, you will see what it is, maybe. Also, Johnson comes right out and says he's a Reagan Republican.

But those are all the tips I'm going to give you. I'd like to see if you see what I see.

cachukis

(3,909 posts)
116. Have found the Daily Boulder questionable.
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 08:26 AM
Mar 2025

It appears I was wrong as other sites validate his position. What happened?

BidenRocks

(3,223 posts)
92. Mike the Magician
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 12:04 AM
Mar 2025

This is classic "misdirection"!
He just found out what pissed off Seniors and Veterans will do to his sorry ass.
He would prefer a challenger.
Miiikey? Where are you?

dalton99a

(94,022 posts)
96. Putin will address a joint session of Congress probably later this year and Johnson will clap
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 12:27 AM
Mar 2025

NJCher

(43,085 posts)
97. Johnson has backed asset forfeiture from Russia as late as last year
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 12:27 AM
Mar 2025
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/01/johnson-eyes-russian-assets-in-ukraine-funding-fight-00149932

Johnson eyes Russian assets in Ukraine funding fight

In a Fox News interview Sunday, Speaker Mike Johnson floated the Russian asset seizure proposal as one of the ideas that Republicans will pursue in response to a Biden administration request for more Ukraine aid. In addition, he signaled that Republicans may try to provide some of the Ukraine aid as a loan and are also weighing an expansion of U.S. natural gas exports to “un-fund” Russia’s war effort.

NJCher

(43,085 posts)
100. yep
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 12:49 AM
Mar 2025

what a lot of people don't realize is that our original $80 billion we gave to Ukraine was military equipment that was going to have to be destroyed because it was so old. I heard this today or yesterday on NPR.

So not only did we give them equipment that was going to be a giant project for us to destroy, they actually got some good out of it. Now we need to replace all that equipment. This is where Moses comes in with this position.

DallasNE

(8,001 posts)
99. This Caught Me Flatfooted
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 12:48 AM
Mar 2025

Especially the charge of being asleep at the wheel. Here is Churchhill from 1938 and it is as true today as it was back then.



ReRe

(12,188 posts)
102. I don't believe a word that comes out of ANY Republican's mouth.
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 01:05 AM
Mar 2025

Trump ,Vance & Rubio totally finished off the Republican Party on Friday, Feb 28, 2025 in the Oval Office with their fucking Jr High bully ambush session on Zelenskyy. Give me a fucking break. All Johnson is trying to do is get the ball & camera back on their end of the court, and it isn't budging.

Don't believe a word this charlatan says, or the media that reports it. Period.

NJCher

(43,085 posts)
103. see post
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 01:08 AM
Mar 2025

100

He's a scumbag, no doubt. He's just trying to get defense contractor donations.

ReRe

(12,188 posts)
106. There you go.
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 01:44 AM
Mar 2025

Simple as the nose on my face. That's exactly what it is. Guess that could be explained away to Trump if Trump questioned him on what he said to the media.

Celerity

(54,315 posts)
108. Dodgy, stitched-up article from a questionable source. It takes a few snippets of real quotes then falsely frames them.
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 05:43 AM
Mar 2025

Johnson was not critical of Trump to any real degree. He was kissing his arse over and over.

full video here:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/02/politics/video/sotu-speaker-johnson-says-putin-is-agressor-in-ukraine-war

Murkowski is the one who called Putin a threat to America, not Johnson. The article is misinfo there.

Here is the full transcipt when they discuss Ukraine:

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/sotu/date/2025-03-02/segment/01

BASH: Hello. I'm Dana Bash in Washington, where the state of our union is still picking our jaws up off the floor. We are watching the fallout after a remarkable Oval Office meeting

this past week. The fallout is absolutely continuing. And we saw the shouting match between the president of the United States, the vice president of the United States, and also the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

And it left Zelenskyy's war-torn country in limbo, at an impasse with its most powerful ally, the United States while global friends and foes race to adjust to the new reality under President Trump, a transactional America first foreign policy that may cast aside longstanding alliances.

In two days, President Trump will address a joint session of Congress six weeks into his norm-shattering second term.

Here with me now is the speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.

Thank you so much for being here, sir.

You said that what we witnessed in the Oval Office was an American president putting America first. What does America first mean to you? Does it mean that America's role in the world is no longer to support democracies when threatened with tyranny?

REP. MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA): No, America first is everything that that phrase implies.

I have always considered myself a Reagan Republican. I believe in the idea that he used to articulate well that, after World War II, America had a very certain responsibility. We're the last great superpower on the planet. It's very important that we maintain that status.

But we cannot maintain that status unless we maintain our own strength. And we achieve peace through strength. That was also a Reagan doctrine. So, what President Trump is doing is restoring that principle. He is a strong hand returned to the White House in a very perilous time on the world stage.

We have to bring about an end to this war in Ukraine. Putin is the aggressor. It is an unjust war. We have been crystal clear about that. But now is the time to bring it to an end. And what President Trump was trying to do in the Oval Office when Zelenskyy acted so inappropriately, in my view, was to offer them an agreement that would be a win-win-win across the board.

The mineral rights agreement is a fantastic solution to bring about an end to this conflict. And I would have hoped that President Zelenskyy would have understood that and showed some gratitude.

BASH: I want you to listen to what your fellow Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski said. She had some pretty harsh words for the strategy and what she witnessed in the Oval Office.

She said -- quote -- "I know foreign policy is not for the faint of heart, but, right now, I'm sick to my stomach as the administration appears to be walking away from our allies and embracing Putin, a threat to democracy and U.S. values around the world."


I want you to respond to that. And, also, you just said very clearly that Vladimir Putin and Russia, they are the aggressors. We have not heard that from President Trump recently.

JOHNSON: Well, I think he's been very clear on that. And I think Senator Murkowski's view on this is plainly wrong.

The person who walked away from the table yesterday was President Zelenskyy. I mean, I -- look, I have been involved in a lot of bilateral meetings like this with heads of state and dignitaries. There's a certain protocol to these events.

But for him to act as he did was rather shocking to everyone. I mean, President Zelenskyy, instead of showing gratitude, he interrupted and berated his hosts at a very perilous time for his country. He should have been anxious, I think, to enter into this agreement.


Think of it. The mental rights agreement would be a win-win for both countries. It would give us an economic interest there, and everyone around the world knows that America will always defend our interest and our people. It would have -- we would have created an economic partnership with Ukraine at a time when it needs to be reemerging.

[09:05:09]
BASH: Yes.

JOHNSON: And that would have been a great thing. And I don't understand why President Zelenskyy would not accept that gratefully.

And I think it's a big mistake, and I hope he changes his mind, because we have got to bring an end to this conflict.

BASH: Well, it sounds like he still does want that deal. And what he was trying to say -- and I'm not going to argue with you about the way that he said it. Certainly, there was yelling on both sides, as anybody who watched it could see.

But his concern was the security risk that Ukraine is under. And he doesn't feel confident that anybody should trust Vladimir Putin.

Do you think that President Trump should be trusting Vladimir Putin?

JOHNSON: President Trump said very clearly, trust but verify.

I mean, he is trying to be the change agent to breaker -- to broker a peace and an end to this conflict. And you have to have both parties at the table to do that. You have to negotiate with both parties. And there has to be a willingness on both sides to bring it to an end.

BASH: Yes. I just...

JOHNSON: Look, President Trump has shown he will not tolerate someone not fulfilling their end of a deal. And I think that this deal, the time has come. I think it's in the interest of America, of Ukraine, Russia, all of our European allies and everyone. So I'm very hopeful, as the president has said, that President Zelenskyy will come back to the table and recognize that peace is the solution here.

BASH: Less than a year ago, you risked your speakership to support more aid to Ukraine. You were pretty emotional, saying that history judges us for what we do.

Now do you think the United States should halt military assistance to Ukraine?

JOHNSON: Well, remember, as I said then and have said consistently until today, the entire point of providing the aid was to allow Ukraine to sustain itself and position them for peace negotiations.

The whole idea behind it was to hold the line to eliminate the deaths of women and children and innocent people in their country until President Trump could return to the Oval Office. I was convinced that that was going to happen and that he would be the one that was powerful enough, strong enough on the world stage to bring both parties to the table.

That is exactly the moment that we are in now. The plan worked, but now Zelenskyy has to follow through. And the fact that he acted as he did, I think, was a great disappointment. I hope it's not the end of it.

BASH: Last question on this, and then I want to turn to what's going on, on the Hill.

What is your view of Vladimir Putin?

JOHNSON: I think Vladimir Putin is an old-school communist, a former KGB agent, and he's not to be trusted, and he is dangerous.

The way I view this is that China, Russia, Iran and North Korea are engaged in a new axis, axis powers, and they are not on America's side. Let's be crystal clear about that. You have to walk circumspectly in these perilous times on the world stage.

But America is back. America is strong again.

BASH: Yes.

JOHNSON: And that is good for us and for freedom-loving people around the world



https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-boulder-bias/





NJCher

(43,085 posts)
111. These points have already been made
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 06:36 AM
Mar 2025

Upthread. See post 68. Also see various posts made about the source, which if you don’t like, see a second source where he said the same thing—NBC News.

Also post 94, which deals with the fact that Johnson has promoted asset forfeiture.

Your posts rarely disappoint, but on this one, I think you failed to realize some of the clever deductions made by other posters upthread. Add them all up, take into account the other sources, and one has a position which cannot be reconciled. It is important because it could lead to trump’s demise.

Celerity

(54,315 posts)
113. Post 68 did not go into any detail. I gave the entire transcript from the start until they finished discussing Putin and
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 07:03 AM
Mar 2025

Ukraine, which clearly exposes the questionable source's fast and loose false framing.

I also gave a link (as did post 68, that is all that poster did) to the entire video and the entire transcript.

The article is misleading and gives too much credit overall to Speaker Johnson. It (the article) puts Murkowski's words into his mouth. Johnson immediately said she was wrong, as I showed.

NBC does not show anything different, as Johnson never said the quoted 'Russia is a threat' that the article claims (with a quote attributed to him, but it was Murkowski's actual words, and John said she was wrong).



The Daily Boulder is a bad source, it is not trustworthy.


NJCher

(43,085 posts)
114. You can't dismiss the fact
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 07:12 AM
Mar 2025

That Johnson has made it evident there is a conflict based on one article.

That is the point, not the article.

There are sources all over that say that, should you care to look a little deeper.

The points you’re making are extraneous and divert from what is really going on with Johnson and trump. I would not belabor the point, but I believe it is key to something that is quite significant.



Celerity

(54,315 posts)
115. I do not have to 'look deeper' as I have read the entire transcript AND watched the full video, neither of which show
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 07:23 AM
Mar 2025

what The Daily Boulder claims in some of its framings and its false, misattributed quote.

I already gave the links to both the full transcript and the full video.

The Daily Boulder is neither reputable nor mainstream.

It is a bad, questionable source, especially for LBN.

NJCher

(43,085 posts)
117. And this
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 09:01 AM
Mar 2025

Is what we English reachers call a thinking error. I understand why you can’t see it, though.

Celerity

(54,315 posts)
120. It is not thinking error from my end whatsoever. Your OP's article source pushes a false quote and problematic framing.
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 01:58 PM
Mar 2025

You're trying to dismiss what was actually said (documented with both full video and a full transcript links from CNN, who did the interview).

The Daily Boulder is a dodgy site (a documented questionable fringe source that has pushed fake news in the past) that gives Johnson too much credit for pushing back against Trump, when he is defending Trump, sucking up to Trump, for the most part, on balance. I do not know why you are so invested in pushing this problematic (at best) article.

That is actual thinking error, and it is not coming from my end.

NJCher

(43,085 posts)
122. I think you don't understand
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 02:11 PM
Mar 2025

that journalism has such a bad rep these days that people, me included, read it like a recipe card. Pick out the ingredients, ignore the framing. The framing from most journalists has been biased since bush's first election theft.

I understand that you'd like to think profession has some integrity, but it doesn't, and people have learned how to deal with it. As long as the facts can be verified elsewhere, that is what is important.

Celerity

(54,315 posts)
123. The Daily Boulder isn't a reputable source, nor is it a mainstream source.
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 02:36 PM
Mar 2025

Also, you said just now:

As long as the facts can be verified elsewhere, that is what is important.


well...............

The title of your OP, based off The Daily Boulder, says this:

Mike Johnson Breaks With Trump, Calls Putin a 'Threat to America,'


You can search the entire transcript (and watch the full video) and you will not find that quote from Johnson.

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/sotu/date/2025-03-02/segment/01

The word 'threat' appears once in the whole interview, in a quoting of Murkowski, NOT Johnson. Johnson said she was wrong:

BASH: I want you to listen to what your fellow Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski said. She had some pretty harsh words for the strategy and what she witnessed in the Oval Office.

She said -- quote -- "I know foreign policy is not for the faint of heart, but, right now, I'm sick to my stomach as the administration appears to be walking away from our allies and embracing Putin, a threat to democracy and U.S. values around the world."

I want you to respond to that. And, also, you just said very clearly that Vladimir Putin and Russia, they are the aggressors. We have not heard that from President Trump recently.


JOHNSON: Well, I think he's been very clear on that. And I think Senator Murkowski's view on this is plainly wrong.

The person who walked away from the table yesterday was President Zelenskyy. I mean, I -- look, I have been involved in a lot of bilateral meetings like this with heads of state and dignitaries. There's a certain protocol to these events.

But for him to act as he did was rather shocking to everyone. I mean, President Zelenskyy, instead of showing gratitude, he interrupted and berated his hosts at a very perilous time for his country. He should have been anxious, I think, to enter into this agreement.


That OP quote:

Mike Johnson Breaks With Trump, Calls Putin a 'Threat to America,'


is NOT a fact that is verified elsewhere, as it did not happen.




DFW

(60,128 posts)
118. Johnson obviously remembered what Dick Cheney taught him to sing in Kindergarten:
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 09:05 AM
Mar 2025
&t=15s

pandr32

(14,228 posts)
124. Christian Nationalists versus Billionaire Tech guys.
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 03:04 PM
Mar 2025

While both groups want to see a new version of our country--they are different ones.
Which team wins?
Tune in tomorrow...same bat-shit crazy time, same bat-shit crazy channel.

LuvLoogie

(8,800 posts)
126. trump and vance have isolated themselves
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 03:13 PM
Mar 2025

maybe MJ thinks he could be president in the aftermath of the ensuing fuckery

red dog 1

(33,017 posts)
129. This is the POS who said: "The videos you saw of the town halls were for paid protesters...
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 03:30 PM
Mar 2025

These are Democrats who went to the events early and filled up the seats."

SupportSanity

(1,579 posts)
131. So Johnson and his religious radicals don't want to convert to Russian Orthodox?
Tue Mar 4, 2025, 08:33 AM
Mar 2025

Just wondering what prompted a public opposition.

What are we missing?

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