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LudwigPastorius

(14,739 posts)
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 05:29 PM Mar 2025

Top Trump allies hold secret talks with Zelenskyy's Ukrainian opponents

Source: Politico

KYIV — Four senior members of Donald Trump’s entourage have held secret discussions with some of Kyiv’s top political opponents to Volodymyr Zelenskyy, just as Washington aligns with Moscow in seeking to lever the Ukrainian president out of his job.

The senior Trump allies held talks with Ukrainian opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko, a remorselessly ambitious former prime minister, and senior members of the party of Petro Poroshenko, Zelenskyy’s immediate predecessor as president, according to three Ukrainian parliamentarians and a U.S. Republican foreign policy expert.
The discussions centered on whether Ukraine could hold quick presidential elections. These are being delayed in line with the country’s constitution because Ukraine remains under martial law. Critics of holding elections say they could be chaotic and play into Russia’s hands, with so many potential voters serving on the front lines or living abroad as refugees.

The Trump aides are confident that Zelenskyy would lose any vote due to war fatigue and public frustration over rampant corruption. Indeed, his poll ratings have been in decline for years, although they have picked up in the wake of last week’s Oval Office brawl, when the Ukrainian leader was shown the door after being berated by President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance. The most recent poll shows Zelenskyy still comfortably ahead in the race for the presidency.

-snip-

But the behavior of Trump and his officials suggests (they are interfering in Ukraine's domestic politics). Trump has accused Zelenskyy of being a “dictator without elections,” and hinted he would not be “around very long” if he didn’t do a deal with Russia. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard has falsely accused Kyiv of canceling the election. (In response to the news in this article, Elon Musk tweeted: “Ukraine needs to hold an election. Zelensky would lose by a landslide.”)

Read more: https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-allies-secret-talks-volodymyr-zelenskyy-opposition-ukraine-elections-yulia-tymoshenko-petro-poroshenko/



Trumple ThinSkin strikes again. He got his feefees hurt because president Z. had the audacity to call Vance on his lies, and speak back to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has already ordered the U.S. Cyber Command to attack Ukraine and Zelenskyy in particular.

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Top Trump allies hold secret talks with Zelenskyy's Ukrainian opponents (Original Post) LudwigPastorius Mar 2025 OP
Treason is a trillion-dollar business. dchill Mar 2025 #1
And I'll bet I'm not the only one who remembers that "treason" only applies erronis Mar 2025 #3
And treason has usually been about business. dchill Mar 2025 #5
Putin and Xi are at war with the US. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #11
The dirty rotten SOB montanacowboy Mar 2025 #2
Zelensky is in danger. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #4
This interference needs to be reported immediately. Boomerproud Mar 2025 #6
ASSHOLES!!! I wish their damned plane would crash. BComplex Mar 2025 #7
Stabbing Zelenskyy in the back Turbineguy Mar 2025 #8
TSF and HIS government is doing bluestarone Mar 2025 #9
Ukrainian officials I have some trust in have scoffed at the idea Poroshenko would be interested, Emrys Mar 2025 #10
I can't see how any Ukranians except the russophiles would not want Zelenskyy to be in charge. erronis Mar 2025 #12
I think you know and I know that there's a more relevant and obvious question here: Emrys Mar 2025 #13
"Why are Trump and Putin so desperate to replace Zelensky?" LudwigPastorius Mar 2025 #15
Zelenskyy's political opponents respond to reports of secret talks with Trump's team Emrys Mar 2025 #14
It's the Republican playbook. Secret talks. Viet Nam, Iran etc ... rickford66 Mar 2025 #16
A little foreign interference ? republianmushroom Mar 2025 #17
They are just asking if anybody is interested in leading a coup. LudwigPastorius Mar 2025 #18
He and his puppet master Putin are no friend of the Ukraine people. republianmushroom Mar 2025 #19

erronis

(23,916 posts)
3. And I'll bet I'm not the only one who remembers that "treason" only applies
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 05:35 PM
Mar 2025

to working with the enemy during times of "war".

I think those that make this mealy-mouthed distinction are also working with the enemy. We are in a war, whether or not your Oxford Dictionary of 1956 has definition.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
5. And treason has usually been about business.
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 05:39 PM
Mar 2025

War is a business. Treason is just the reason for the season.

Irish_Dem

(81,345 posts)
11. Putin and Xi are at war with the US.
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 07:11 PM
Mar 2025

They have been fighting very hard to bring down the US.
Americans don't even know we are at war.

montanacowboy

(6,714 posts)
2. The dirty rotten SOB
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 05:34 PM
Mar 2025

is going to push Zelensky out one way or another. Didn't know there were so many ratfuckers in Zelensky's group but then power and money are everything to these scum.

They get rid of Zelensky and then it's party time with Russia.

Irish_Dem

(81,345 posts)
4. Zelensky is in danger.
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 05:38 PM
Mar 2025

He needs to make sure his security team is loyal to him.
And keep his whereabouts secret.

US military and intelligence agencies should not be given Zelensky's location.

bluestarone

(22,198 posts)
9. TSF and HIS government is doing
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 06:26 PM
Mar 2025

pUTINS dirty work, while pUTIN is dropping bombs from above! Jesus fucking Christ Nail this fucker soon.

Emrys

(9,101 posts)
10. Ukrainian officials I have some trust in have scoffed at the idea Poroshenko would be interested,
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 06:47 PM
Mar 2025

and even more that Tymoshenko might have a chance in hell. They take this as evidence that Trump's henchmen haven't a clue about Ukrainian politics.

Despite the article's claims, Zelensky still polls (as much as polls have any great reliability in a country at war) way higher than any likely challengers, the only one coming close being Ukraine's ex-armed forces C-in-C and current ambassador to the UK Valerii Zaluzhny, who I think would be Zelensky's most credible successor, but Trump's minions don't seem to have approached him for some reason.

These are the recent standings in a head-to-head according to Gradus:



Zelensky's approval rating in Ukraine rose to 57% in mid-February, up five points from January, even before Trump's attempts at strong-arm tactics, and other academic polling has placed it in the low to mid-60s. It can only have climbed further since then.

In addition, the Ukrainian parliament expressed overwhelming support for Zelensky and reaffirmed Ukraine's opposition to elections under martial law only three weeks or so ago:

Ukraine Defies Trump As Zelensky Unanimously Backed
...
The Verkhovna Rada, Ukraine's parliament, passed a resolution entitled "Statement of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on Support for Democracy in Ukraine in Conditions of Russian Aggression" on February 25 that affirms Zelensky's presidency and mandates that elections cannot be held during periods of martial law.

The resolution stated that Kyiv would hold elections "after comprehensive, just and sustainable peace is ensured on its territory." It also asserted that "it is Vladimir Putin who is responsible for the fact that it is currently impossible to organize free, transparent and democratic elections in Ukraine."

The parliament also disputed recent statements questioning the legitimacy of Zelensky's presidency by Trump and Putin, and stated that he was "elected in free, transparent, democratic elections," adding, "His mandate is not questioned by the Ukrainian people and the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine."

The Verkhovna Rada did not have enough votes to pass the resolution on the first reading, but during the second, it was supported by 268 members, while 12 abstained from voting and none voted against, according to the Kyiv Independent.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-defies-trump-zelensky-unanimously-backed-2035933

erronis

(23,916 posts)
12. I can't see how any Ukranians except the russophiles would not want Zelenskyy to be in charge.
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 07:20 PM
Mar 2025

But there are people of wavering fealties - money and fear can change their directions.

Thanks for your informed response.

Emrys

(9,101 posts)
13. I think you know and I know that there's a more relevant and obvious question here:
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 07:28 PM
Mar 2025

Why are Trump and Putin so desperate to replace Zelensky?

Given the figures above, I guess Vlad will have to revert to Plan A and redouble his more or less monthly efforts to assassinate him. I think Zelensky's used to that threat by now, which is why those cowardly mental jellybabies trying to lay a verbal finger on him and belittle him in the Oval Office were so disgusting.

LudwigPastorius

(14,739 posts)
15. "Why are Trump and Putin so desperate to replace Zelensky?"
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 12:40 AM
Mar 2025

Putin wants a compliant puppet, like Lukashenko or Trump, running Ukraine.

Trump...well, Trump wants Z. out because he had the balls to essentially call him a liar right to his fucking fat face on live television.

Emrys

(9,101 posts)
14. Zelenskyy's political opponents respond to reports of secret talks with Trump's team
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 12:33 AM
Mar 2025
Yuliia Tymoshenko, leader of Ukraine’s Batkivshchyna party, and Petro Poroshenko, former Ukrainian president and leader of Ukraine’s European Solidarity party, have commented on a Politico report alleging that they held secret talks with members of US President Donald Trump's team. Both politicians stated that they are opposed to elections being held before peace is achieved.

Source: Tymoshenko on Facebook; Poroshenko on Facebook
...
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/03/6/7501527/

LudwigPastorius

(14,739 posts)
18. They are just asking if anybody is interested in leading a coup.
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 01:56 PM
Mar 2025

....you know, asking "for a friend".

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