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BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 06:48 AM Mar 2025

DHS administering lie detector tests to employees in effort to find leakers

Source: CBS News

March 8, 2025 / 7:37 PM EST


The Department of Homeland Security is administering polygraph tests to its personnel to determine who may be leaking information to the media about its ongoing immigration raids, an agency spokesperson confirmed to CBS News Saturday.

On Feb. 18, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said DHS would start polygraphing employees in order to crack down on these leaks.

In a video posted to social media Friday, Noem wrote that the department had "identified two leakers of information here at the Department of Homeland Security who have been telling individuals about our operations and putting law enforcement lives in jeopardy. We plan to prosecute these two individuals and hold them accountable for what they've done."

The polygraph tests have been taking place for about three weeks, the DHS spokesperson told CBS News. It's unclear how many employees have undergone them. Since January, the White House has been aggressive in its efforts to fulfill President Trump's campaign vow of cracking down on illegal immigration and enacting mass deportations of undocumented immigrants.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dhs-lie-detector-tests-employees-leakers-immigration-raids/

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DHS administering lie detector tests to employees in effort to find leakers (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 OP
LMAO. Start weighing ducks next. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #1
... BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #3
Yep! OldBaldy1701E Mar 2025 #29
Those tests are notoriously unreliable. NotHardly Mar 2025 #9
Demand Norm take one. Sounds fair to me. multigraincracker Mar 2025 #2
They should have been doing it during the Obama admin. "Have you ever had the desire to overthrow the U.S. Government?" LiberalArkie Mar 2025 #4
Polygraphs don't work though. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #17
It would have probably caught the ones that did the J6. Sure you can lie as long as you can keep your BP and HR and LiberalArkie Mar 2025 #19
J6 were a stochastic terrorist mob. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #20
I said it before johnnyfins Mar 2025 #5
They didnt get any leakers johnnyfins Mar 2025 #6
I know why Noem makes me especially johnnyfins Mar 2025 #7
Sounds like a great deal of wasted money. What a shitshow. Martin68 Mar 2025 #8
"Democracy Dies In Darkness" JohnnyRingo Mar 2025 #10
Big news here in South Dakota... IthinkThereforeIAM Mar 2025 #11
Wow! Noem is cruel AND corrupt???? johnnyfins Mar 2025 #13
Leakers have not put enforcement lives in jeopardy. Random and haphazard firing of enforcement officials has put Martin68 Mar 2025 #12
Good news is that there will ALWAYS be johnnyfins Mar 2025 #14
First people on the lie dectector should be Musk and Big Balls mdbl Mar 2025 #15
i think they might pass because you have to have a conscience MadameButterfly Mar 2025 #22
Who WOULDN'T want to work here!!! Grins Mar 2025 #16
This is a HUGE deal and let me explain why... Don1 Mar 2025 #18
A lot of people would fail nowdays because of the stress MadameButterfly Mar 2025 #23
And since those things are not 100% reliable DFW Mar 2025 #21
bunch of freaks 4catsmom Mar 2025 #24
Polygraph tests don't work Mosby Mar 2025 #25
If ANY Traildogbob Mar 2025 #26
They do know lie-detector tests are inadmissible in court, right? Right? sakabatou Mar 2025 #27
I thought we already knew it was Dick Cheney and his friends at the Saudi Embassy ?? nt eppur_se_muova Mar 2025 #28
 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
1. LMAO. Start weighing ducks next. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 07:07 AM
Mar 2025

Hopefully they realize their bosses have retroactively switched sides in WW2.

OldBaldy1701E

(11,142 posts)
29. Yep!
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 06:55 AM
Mar 2025

And, when you look at the cast, that is saying something! He stole that film!

They were all great in this film. It is one of my absolute favorites of all time.

 

NotHardly

(2,705 posts)
9. Those tests are notoriously unreliable.
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 11:58 AM
Mar 2025

Years ago, I saw a guy interrogate a potted plant ... the results said the plant was lying.

https://www.scienceofpeople.com/lie-detector-test/

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
4. They should have been doing it during the Obama admin. "Have you ever had the desire to overthrow the U.S. Government?"
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 08:40 AM
Mar 2025
 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
17. Polygraphs don't work though.
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:48 PM
Mar 2025

Especially against psychopaths. They'll tell you their mother was a spider and the needle won't budge. Republican apparatchiks to a tee.

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
19. It would have probably caught the ones that did the J6. Sure you can lie as long as you can keep your BP and HR and
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:50 PM
Mar 2025

other things under control. But I do not think the nuts at the J6 party would have been able to.

 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
20. J6 were a stochastic terrorist mob.
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:55 PM
Mar 2025

It's one of those "budget conscious" things Republicans always bitching about. They don't need to send their precious little mercenary enforcers after Americans, they can just send a tweet and have morons commit felonies in their name.

johnnyfins

(3,768 posts)
7. I know why Noem makes me especially
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 10:52 AM
Mar 2025

Nauseous. I think she ENJOYS the cruelty. The worst Nazis were the ones who actually enjoyed what they were doing.

JohnnyRingo

(20,870 posts)
10. "Democracy Dies In Darkness"
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 12:03 PM
Mar 2025

Noem wants Homeland Security to act from behind a Kevlar Kurtain, a bureaucratic black hole from which no information can escape.
Then, and only then, can the department work completely without judicial or congressional oversight.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,307 posts)
11. Big news here in South Dakota...
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 12:11 PM
Mar 2025

... not sure if the national press has been reporting it:

"Noem’s credit card records, revealing over $600,000 in charges for high-end hotels, vehicle rentals, and meals, were made public after she resigned to join President Donald Trump’s cabinet — far outpacing her predecessor Dennis Daugaard."

https://www.gowatertown.net/former-gov-noem-rolled-up-600k-in-credit-card-bills-before-leaving-office/]

"Since KELOLAND News is just beginning to review the documents, this first report is limited in its scope, zeroing in only on lodging for one of Noem’s trips. Additional reporting will publish in the coming days."

https://www.keloland.com/news/local-news/records-reveal-noems-state-credit-card-spending/

]

"PIERRE, S.D. (AP) — Family members of South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem received more than $600,000 in funds from a state grant program pushed by the governor that directed federal coronavirus relief funds to small businesses."

https://apnews.com/article/business-small-business-south-dakota-coronavirus-pandemic-kristi-noem-cd19956faf1a20de3890b9638f5605a1

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
12. Leakers have not put enforcement lives in jeopardy. Random and haphazard firing of enforcement officials has put
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 12:57 PM
Mar 2025

enforcement gives at risk. Publishing the names and information about national security personnel by DOGE has put national security at risk.

johnnyfins

(3,768 posts)
14. Good news is that there will ALWAYS be
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 01:07 PM
Mar 2025

Leakers. Impossible to stop. Especially when your policies go against the constitution and basic human rights/empathy.

mdbl

(8,656 posts)
15. First people on the lie dectector should be Musk and Big Balls
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 02:47 PM
Mar 2025

to see what they are really doing with our information.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
22. i think they might pass because you have to have a conscience
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 05:36 PM
Mar 2025

and/or shame or expect the law to apply. to you to be nervous

Grins

(9,459 posts)
16. Who WOULDN'T want to work here!!!
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:20 PM
Mar 2025

Good Luck hiring anyone to work for the government ever again!!

Don1

(1,672 posts)
18. This is a HUGE deal and let me explain why...
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:49 PM
Mar 2025

Most people know that polygraphs are notoriously unreliable and cannot be used in court, but that isn't the problem. Most of the time that they do not work well it is because of the sensitivity of the tests. Anything that triggers a person emotionally and/or makes them feel guilty could show up in the tests because of this kind of false positive error.

Imagine an employee is asked if they had ever leaked anything, but there was one time they thought that what they were doing was following a questionable order and merely thought about blowing the whistle. This could show up in a polygraph. But it's far more broad than that--many other things could evoke an emotional and guilty feeling depending on the person and situation, from voting once for a Democrat and not telling co-workers, to disliking some of Noem's or Trump's policies to strongly disagreeing with something their manager said that morning.

What happens next is the polygraph administrator will ask the employee what they were thinking about at the time or if there is anything to confess. The employee then might spill the beans like "Okay, I admit it. This time I didn't vote for Trump" or "One time I thought about blowing the whistle because I had to separate a child from their parents" or "I personally know a news reporter."

Doing these confessions can then cause the employee to pass the test in another attempt or they could simply continue to fail because of the sensitivity problem. Either way, this results in a lot of new information about the employee.

What do the managers, Noem, and/or Trump do with this information next now that they know? Does the employee get fired for "performance" reasons?

What would be the end result: storm troopers with no consciences? only completely loyal MAGAs?

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
23. A lot of people would fail nowdays because of the stress
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 05:42 PM
Mar 2025

of living under Trump, jobs at risk, finances at risk for many reasons, loyalty tests, democracy at risk, etc.
I'm suspect I'd fail a polygraph test no matter what you ask me. And from any of those Nazis? Guaranteed fail.

DFW

(60,186 posts)
21. And since those things are not 100% reliable
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 04:25 PM
Mar 2025

They might catch a leaker or two, and they could just as easily end up tossing out an innocent true believer Trumpanzee who can't believe the system betrayed him.

So, go ahead, polygraph everyone, and be just as wise as you were before.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
25. Polygraph tests don't work
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 06:10 PM
Mar 2025

Last edited Sun Mar 9, 2025, 09:04 PM - Edit history (1)

It's pseudoscience.

Eta - it's really remarkable how much power ideas can have. Machine assisted lie detection is a perfect example.

Do people still believe in "truth serum"?

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
26. If ANY
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 06:21 PM
Mar 2025

Trump appointee gets within 100 yards of a lie detector test machine it will blow up. Especially this dog killing freak. Did she eat it??? Or was she gonna pay her immigrate workers with the meat?

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