'Blank this blank' puts woman in jail
Source: WOOD TV8
LaRue Ford, who has no criminal record, had hoped to spend Christmas with family in Chicago. Instead, she spent the holiday in the Berrien County Jail.
She is still locked up there, has been for eight days.
Her offense, according to court records: "profanity in the clerk's office."
"She said, 'f--- this s---,'" said attorney Megan Reynolds, who is working on her case with several other
ACLU attorneys.
Read more: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/larue-ford-jailed-for-swearing-in-court-clerk-office-122612
Eight days! While I would never support using that language, this is just ridiculous!
Meanwhile, those who wrecked our economy...
slackmaster
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muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)'Hotlinking has been disabled'
Very generic, I'll give you that.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Link updated.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,048 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)The origin - "Father Ted", a sitcom about incompetent Irish priests. "The Fathers mount a protest against a blasphemous film..."
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)Horrible. Thank God for the ACLU! Sue those bastards.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)this is getting to be. I was reading somewhere, and I think it's Arizona, ... is mulling a bill that would make it illegal to criticize the government on the internet. Here it is, and it's based on interpretation of what one said ... "The law, which is being pushed under the guise of an anti-bullying campaign, would mean that anything communicated or published online that was deemed to be offensive by the state, including editorials, illustrations, and even satire could be criminally punished."
And by this, I guess the Arizona Gestapo will come after you if you criticize Brewer ... http://www.setyoufreenews.com/2012/04/02/arizona-passes-sweeping-internet-censorship-bill/
We're treading on dangerous water in some jurisdictions in the US, and I think many Americans are absolutely clueless as to how they are being stripped of their rights.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Same ol shit ...another day. I wonder if it's her third offence? Kick in that 3 strike law. Life in prison. Now that would be some real fucking shit!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)(like disorderly conduct), then I hope the clerk gets voted out of office for wasting taxpayer money. In this day and age, it's incredible that any elected official would violate someone's right to free speech. This seems like a slam dunk case for the ACLU.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)then, though there might be disorderly charges, i am guessing they have a pretty good case. they aren't going to represent just anyone who get thrown in the clinck for causing a ruckus at the county courthouse. they are fairly discriminating in what they take on.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)But I think I know why. Just click on the link, check out her photo, and tell me what you think.
1monster
(11,012 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Until then, the thought hadn't occurred to me, to tell you the truth.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)This is an exercise in "teaching her her place"
I clicked on the link, even before reading any of the posts, and my first suspicion was confirmed.
erinlough
(2,176 posts)Also qualifying you would be being poor, or not connected. The courts here are only just for the rich and connected. I know lawyers kids and judges kids in St. Joe who have been up on multiple charges; drunk driving, stealing, drunk and disorderly, even hitting a police car while drunk. None have served jail time. All are white.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Yep, that was easy.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)H.B. 2549 would make it a crime to use any electronic or digital device to communicate using obscene, lewd or profane language or to suggest a lewd or lascivious act if done with intent to annoy, offend, harass or terrify, the letter notes. Lewd and profane are not defined in the statute or by reference. Lewd is generally understood to mean lusty or sexual in nature and profane is generally defined as disrespectful or irreverent about religion or religious practices.
H.B. 2549 is not limited to a one to one conversation between two specific people. The communication does not need to be repetitive or even unwanted. There is no requirement that the recipient or subject of the speech actually feel offended, annoyed or scared. Nor does the legislation make clear that the communication must be intended to offend or annoy the reader, the subject or even any specific person.
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/arizona-passes-bill-banning-profanity-online-lolwut.101473/
http://www.setyoufreenews.com/2012/04/02/arizona-passes-sweeping-internet-censorship-bill/
Betsy Ross
(3,147 posts)Don't expect to visit the state any time soon to get a chance to say it in person.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)fly-over state.
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)I feel sorry for the liberals of that state. What an oppressive political environment.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Good grief!
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)would lock up 3/4's of DU in Arizona.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)they simply can't survive a 'violation of free speech' argument in court. How did these bills even get past the legislative attorneys office?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)(Shouldn't give them any ideas, though)
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)aren't voted in - they are administratively hired. I know the legislators don't have to take their advice, but in many states the legislative attorneys have a section attached to bills where they can comment on the likelihood of the bills constitutionality. Does Arizona do that?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)on behalf of the State and prepares formal legal opinions requested by State officers, legislators, or county attorneys on issues of law." https://www.azag.gov/about
It well might be that in some cases they don't solicit or perhaps ignore their advice if it were solicited. It all sounds quite strange to me with reference to these laws, overreaching, and in fact, persecutory and a violation of the US constitution (I would think.)
tavalon
(27,985 posts)They are pandering to their fundy base, that's all.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)The law states the language is liable "if done with intent to annoy, offend, harass or terrify, ".... but then the law goes on to clarify that "there is no requirement that... the communication must be intended to offend or annoy" in order to be liable.
Oooookay.
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RKP5637
(67,112 posts)classykaren
(769 posts)Fox news will not be allowed on the internet they annoy me and try to terrify others
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)thousand times...show 'em how little their repression of free speech means.
JusticeForAll
(1,222 posts)What an asshole!
Journeyman
(15,038 posts)~ Lenny Bruce
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)...yet they claim they are all for getting the government out of an individual's life........
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The most effective way to restrict democracy is to transfer decision-making from the public arena to unaccountable institutions: kings and princes, priestly castes, military juntas, party dictatorships, or modern corporations. ~ Noam Chomsky
That's fascism as defined by Mussolini himself. The GOP brands, Libertarianism and Tea Party are the embodiment of that style of governance. By eliminating our voices opposing their taking over all the necessities through a democratic government, they will be able to profit directly off of us.
The tyranny of the powerful causes people to stifle themselves for the necessities of life -- and they will only use government in ways to enforce that goal. They are enabled by those who seek to privatize all functions of government for their own personal profit, discriminating against all but their cronies. This they do while devouring the commons and calling it reform, when it's theft.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)niyad
(113,546 posts)in the article, she didn't even say this to the clerk directly--she was walking away, muttering.
was that idiot judge elected or appointed, and, if appointed, by whom?
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)was in consideration as George W. Bush's running mate. I know right? How could it be a guy like that has no respect for civil liberties? Here is Gov. Engler's partial bio from Wiki.
His administration was characterized by privatization of state services, tax reduction, educational reform, welfare reform and major reorganization of executive branch departments. In 1996 he was elected Chairman of the Republican Governors Association and in 2001 he was elected to head the National Governors Association
Oh, and how did a pre-tea party tea bagger get elected in Michigan? Well not to say that the GOP might fix an election or anything, but according to Wiki (which I know can't be trusted completely) but.....
In 1990, State Senate Majority Leader John Engler challenged Governor James Blanchard in his bid for a third term. Political observers viewed Engler's bid as a long shot, and he trailed Blanchard by double digits in the polls the weekend before the election. However, on election day Engler pulled off the upset, defeating Blanchard by approximately 17,000 votes less than one percentage point
As for the judge, well he received the Thomas Jefferson Center's Muzzle award. 2 times in 3 years. Google his fight w. Pinkney, also involved ACLU. No wonder they were on speed dial for this woman. They knew his politics.
niyad
(113,546 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)A family friend who was a young attorney had a contentious session with an established, old cranky judge...
AFTER leaving the courtroom and walking out the court building, he complained to a friend how much of an asshole the judge was, so the security guard at the front door ran into that courtroom, told the baliff who told the judge, and before my friend reaches his car in the parking lot, he gets dragged back into that courtroom, charged with contempt and spends a couple nights in jail...true story...You better believe that judge wanted to send a message on what my friend's "place" was...
BVictor1
(229 posts)Barrien, Kent, Ottawa counties...
One the eastern shores of Lake Michigan, lower central Michigan is quite red.
LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)near the Indiana state line.
Rachel Maddow covered the Berrien county- Benton Harbor area on her show. The area is about 80% black and yet, neighboring St. Joseph MI is about 80% white and rich.
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)My friend was up on some traffic-related offense and the judge broke for lunch, telling us to come back in 45 minutes.
We came back, but the judge didn't. She left us standing in the hall for another hour. When she and some attorneys finally showed up, I said, "Welcome back to your courtroom, I hope we haven't caused you any inconvenience".
Guess who spent the night in jail?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)i can totally see a judge slapping her with a <$100 fine or something. i really can. i have no problem with her being punished for this. but what they have done to her is rediculous and really amounts to cruel and unusual punishment imho
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)worthy of a slap on the wrist. i am not even saying that is the case here. just that i can see it in the abstract. i haven't read the briefs and am just going on the cursory info here.
XanaDUer
(12,939 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)damn careful where they live and where they go. I've written a number of states off my list as just too hostile places to ever even set foot in yet alone drive and/or live in ...
lunasun
(21,646 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)looking to advance, nice guy, concerned about people. He had lived in someplace in Michigan, not sure where ... he said it was so crazy and right wing he had to get out even though he was a native and born there. He literally feared for his life because he was not right wing crazy. As soon as he finished college he left.
Where I live now is getting more and more right wing. I don't even like the people I see in the stores some look sooo teabaggerish. Now they want to walk around with guns strapped to their sides. The state says OK, but some of the local municipalities are trying to fight it ... we must look like absolute fools to the rest of the world.
I drive cross country sometimes. Sometimes I'm a bit nervous about it ... I stopped off one place to eat and some clearly right-wing teabagger looking type started rattling off something to me, got in a huge van and drove off talking away. Guess he didn't like my hair or something, I don't look like Glenn Beck. The restaurant was full of them.
zabet
(6,793 posts)That she posted the 10% of her $5000 bond but the judge revoked that due to no mailing address (which may mean homeless or living here and yon with relatives). Either way...she was not in court....she was in the clerk's office....and walking away. If someone cannot mutter to themselves...there ain't no such thing as freedom of speech.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Really, this is one where it should go all the way.
It doesn't even seem like she directly cussed at the court clerk. So she lost her temper - she had spent months trying to comply with their laws.
What is going on here?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I couldn't open the link, but I saw in the comments, someone googled on the judge who did this to that innocent woman. Found he was corrupt as hell, apparently.
Sounds like the whole place is corrupt as hell.
F them!!!!
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Truly, we need to fight back against the human bent to petty tyranny.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)You're right, it IS a good reminder. Thank gods that the ACLU is involved here.
Pretty words and good vibes have their place, but without some kind of unified action, it don't mean d*ck.
Speak softy, but carry a big stick, indeed!
Tempest
(14,591 posts)The SC ruled you can say "fuck you" to a cop and it's protected speech.
This is exactly the same thing.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)But truthfully, unless this speech had the effect of disrupting court processes (non-protected speech), it does clearly have constitutional protection. As described, the incident clearly did not have that effect.
But again, this is why you need lawyers who are funded to smack this sort of thing down. The fact that it is unconstitutional does this woman no good unless she can access the legal talent to enforce her rights through the courts. Cohen V California comes to mind, among other cases. No matter how expressed, a government does not have the right to punish a citizen for an expression of that citizen's opinions on the state's conduct.
A government can censure interference with a proper government agent acting in the conduct of his/her duties. So you can't stand up in a courtroom, start cussing and disrupt court proceedings.
But stating one's disapproval of a particular government action or procedure or decision is constitutionally protected speech.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)institutions.
boguspotus
(286 posts)A very pathetic thing to do to this person - I feel bad for her.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)who couldn't give a satisfactory address. In criminal charges (depending on seriousness) it makes sense, but in a petty civil matter? Puuhhleezz.......
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)that she had just moved to Indiana and was trying to get her CDL there, but they wouldn't allow it until she paid off an old ticket in Michigan.
She was not homeless, she just had no proof (yet) of her IN address due to this situation, which seems to have turned rather Kafka-esque. Well, probably plus the racism knowing that part of the state.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)So fucking what? It wasn't in front of a jury, for Chissake!
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Diane Messinger is apparently who is handling things at the clerk's office there. Her extension is 8332. I just left them a nasty little message on their voicemail.
Isoldeblue
(1,135 posts)Being black and a woman was just too much for those egoistical, self-righteous clerks and judge. If the ACLU can win this for her, I'd like to see her sue them for a pretty penny over this inane and undeserved imprisonment.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)...Wall Street thieves walk free. Where does it say in the Constitution "thou shalt now curse"? Isn't using any language you want Free Speech? (As long as it's not hollering fire in a crowded theater.) Oh... it was Indiana. That Mason Dixon line needs to be moved up, let me tell you. She had a right to be upset. She went from the frying pan into the fire when she moved from Arizona to Indiana.
Moosepoop
(1,922 posts)but this incident took place in Michigan. Not that there's much difference... southwestern lower Michigan is just as red as northwestern Indiana. The state line might as well not even be there in some ways.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... I only read as far as it said she moved from AZ to IN. Yeah, Michigan. Indiana Jr. Both right-to-be-a-slave states now.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)interest in it that I had once considered relocating to Michigan, but not long after that what he had said started coming out and I changed my mind. I'm trying to get out of RW territory, not move into more of the same. Here, they think if they can get more RW and more religious people are going to flock here. How times are changing.
Phew, I'm glad we have the internet, I've learned a lot about various places. Some pretty freaky and others really good. I think there's going to be more and more of a geographical divide in this country along ideologies. Putin once said he thought the US was getting so polarized the US would eventually break into several geographical regions. Maybe he's onto something.
SunSeeker
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oldbanjo
(690 posts)mainer
(12,029 posts)In Maine, anyway.
20score
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fucking emails.
Fuck their shit.
records@berriencounty.org
269-983-7111 x 8332.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)This is from over a year ago but what would have changed about the judge? Over 85% of the people who work for Berrien County courthouse know about this judge who is a drunk and a racist.
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valerief
(53,235 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)recommends "Fuck this shit" as thoroughly appropriate for expressing frustration with red tape. I can only imagine what the NRA finds a suitable response. Also check what google has on the judge, http://www.lawlessamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=511:judge-dennis-wiley-of-berrien-county-michigan-is-charged-with-crimes-against-humanity&catid=120:news-reports&Itemid=222.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)I feel terrible for the woman, what bullshit.
PB
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)every time I said "fuck this shit" I would die in prison.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I'd probably be jailed and my "grumpy Stinz" t-shirt destroyed if I made the mistake of wearing it there (sorry, can't find the image, but it has a centaur-comic character with the words "Been there, done THAT! FUCK IT!"
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DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)They_Live
(3,239 posts)Bukowski & your sig line. Both very true.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Tempest
(14,591 posts)She'll win a lawsuit easily.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)this is totally ludicroius ...
Stuff like this makes me want to say "FUCK THIS SHIT!"
catbyte
(34,442 posts)Racist bastards.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)No.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)Uppity, well, you know. (sarcasm)
niyad
(113,546 posts)been in jail 22 days. TWENTY TWO DAYS for muttering to herself (oh, I forgot, muttering to herself while black)
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Meanwhile, those who lied America into two illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous wars...