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UrbScotty

(23,980 posts)
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:22 PM Dec 2012

'Blank this blank' puts woman in jail

Source: WOOD TV8

LaRue Ford, who has no criminal record, had hoped to spend Christmas with family in Chicago. Instead, she spent the holiday in the Berrien County Jail.

She is still locked up there, has been for eight days.

Her offense, according to court records: "profanity in the clerk's office."

"She said, 'f--- this s---,'" said attorney Megan Reynolds, who is working on her case with several other
ACLU attorneys.

Read more: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/larue-ford-jailed-for-swearing-in-court-clerk-office-122612



Eight days! While I would never support using that language, this is just ridiculous!

Meanwhile, those who wrecked our economy...
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'Blank this blank' puts woman in jail (Original Post) UrbScotty Dec 2012 OP
I say keep protests polite and as generic as possible slackmaster Dec 2012 #1
Your 'protest' reads: muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #3
Thanks slackmaster Dec 2012 #30
Blank disabled hotlinks ThoughtCriminal Dec 2012 #56
Good - I had been hoping it was one of those signs muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #77
What a bunch of SH**! These people are sooo STUPID and pitiful. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #2
WTF was her crime?! tblue Dec 2012 #89
Amazing, isn't it. I still think many Americans still just don't get how outrageous RKP5637 Dec 2012 #92
So now the tax payers get to pay for the fucking shit. L0oniX Dec 2012 #4
I just ran across more shit as posted in #6 ... n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #8
If there isn't more to the incident JimDandy Dec 2012 #19
if the aclu has taken the case arely staircase Dec 2012 #21
8 days and counting for that? Brigid Dec 2012 #5
My first thought... 1monster Dec 2012 #15
Was there ever any doubt? RC Dec 2012 #57
Not once I saw the photo. Brigid Dec 2012 #63
Ding ding ding ding! Scootaloo Dec 2012 #75
Yep. Jack Rabbit Dec 2012 #83
I live in Berrien county and I can promise you that you are right. erinlough Dec 2012 #98
Cursing while black tavalon Dec 2012 #102
And not to be outdone! ""Arizona to make it illegal to use “offensive” language online?"" RKP5637 Dec 2012 #6
Fuck Arizona! Betsy Ross Dec 2012 #9
Definitely a state on my list to avoid. Not for vacation, not for anything except as a RKP5637 Dec 2012 #10
Well if you were in Arizona, you would've just broken the law! Chemisse Dec 2012 #20
How do they think they're going to enforce this? Brigid Dec 2012 #11
If you post a "naughty" word they'll come find you thru your ISP. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #62
"Fuck that shit" n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #14
That'll get you 10 years in a corporate prison, but think of the jobs created. Hell, this RKP5637 Dec 2012 #23
These bills are so broad brush JimDandy Dec 2012 #24
Because they vote damn fools into office and think it's great. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #28
+1. But I was thinking... Wonder if profane words are copyrighted in AZ? freshwest Dec 2012 #34
Wow, could be!!! RKP5637 Dec 2012 #37
But the legislative attorneys JimDandy Dec 2012 #42
"The Attorney General’s Office brings and defends lawsuits RKP5637 Dec 2012 #46
Because they know that they won't pass muster tavalon Dec 2012 #103
Wait, this actually makes no logical sense. For example: Beartracks Dec 2012 #43
Arizona legalize, I guess ... RKP5637 Dec 2012 #47
Fox News classykaren Dec 2012 #50
Huh. Might have to find me a linux box and write a script, send them "Fuck H.B. 2549" a few jtuck004 Dec 2012 #58
Thank goodness this judge is protecting our freedoms! JusticeForAll Dec 2012 #7
“Take away the right to say 'fuck' and you take away the right to say 'fuck the government'.” Journeyman Dec 2012 #12
+1 Historic NY Dec 2012 #38
Except the AZ baggers are already doing that... freshwest Dec 2012 #45
fascistic move lunasun Dec 2012 #90
That won't eliminate oppression. Instead, there will be no buffer to mitigate or fight the groups... freshwest Dec 2012 #91
How true - I like the "Freedom" image u included!!! lunasun Dec 2012 #97
I didn't even have to look at the pic to know. power run amok, apparently--and from what I read niyad Dec 2012 #13
Niyad, prepare to be shocked (sarcasm) but this judge was appointed by a republican governor who okaawhatever Dec 2012 #53
colour me (pun intended) sooooooo not surprised. niyad Dec 2012 #55
I knew a similar case from the 90s Blue_Tires Dec 2012 #96
This part of Michigan is redneck central. BVictor1 Dec 2012 #16
lower western Michigan is very red, redneck, hillbilly LittleGirl Dec 2012 #54
I was with a friend in a courtroom when the judge broke for lunch DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #17
that's messed up arely staircase Dec 2012 #18
Why should she even be fined? What law did she break? JimDandy Dec 2012 #39
belligerently using profanities and causing a scene could be a minor breach of the peace arely staircase Dec 2012 #41
Guess she is lucky she didn't get the death penalty XanaDUer Dec 2012 #22
Jeez ... don't give them any ideas. What a F'ed up state to live in ... anymore, one has to be RKP5637 Dec 2012 #32
+1 same thought here lunasun Dec 2012 #64
I was talking to someone recently that had moved out of Michigan. Young, bright and RKP5637 Dec 2012 #67
the article states zabet Dec 2012 #25
Unconstitutional Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #26
right you are. Unbelievable. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #72
It's a good reminder to us all to keep giving to orgs such as the ACLU Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #80
petty tyranny, exactly BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #81
The SCOTUS has even ruled on it Tempest Dec 2012 #86
They have been slightly less accommodating about the cussing of judges Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #88
That's so wrong. n/t TDale313 Dec 2012 #27
Ain't America just the greatest!!! Yep, free speech, well, I guess that's only for the repressive RKP5637 Dec 2012 #29
Wow boguspotus Dec 2012 #31
I'm wondering if the ACLU took this case because of the denial of bail to a homeless person. Or one okaawhatever Dec 2012 #33
No H2O Man Dec 2012 #49
No, the artlicle at the link explains Cal Carpenter Dec 2012 #84
Well, Fuck this Shit, I dare say! Coyotl Dec 2012 #35
In the clerk's office? Deep13 Dec 2012 #36
We should all give 'em a call at: 269-983-7111 Th1onein Dec 2012 #40
She didn't stand a chance Isoldeblue Dec 2012 #44
Yeah, and meanwhile... ReRe Dec 2012 #48
She did move to Indiana... Moosepoop Dec 2012 #66
I was so mad... ReRe Dec 2012 #68
I think that might have been where this guy had lived that I mentioned in #67. I took RKP5637 Dec 2012 #70
Fuck that shit. I hope she sues and recovers a nice chunk of change from the clerk's office. nt SunSeeker Dec 2012 #51
I agree. oldbanjo Dec 2012 #52
If she'd been open carrying an AR=15, she'd be out now mainer Dec 2012 #59
Hope the judge and clerk get some fucking phone calls and 20score Dec 2012 #60
ah people - some Judge info here below lunasun Dec 2012 #61
Fuck that shit!!! nt valerief Dec 2012 #65
Eight days in jail for cussing. The judge is a dick. McCamy Taylor Dec 2012 #69
Correction, Judge Dennis Wiley is a dick. A racist dick. Link below. McCamy Taylor Dec 2012 #71
I'm pretty sure Emily Post JEB Dec 2012 #73
Fuck that shit, indeed! I encourage everyone to read the full article on this. Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #74
If they locked me up... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #76
"Fuck It!" is also therapeutic: kentauros Dec 2012 #95
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #78
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2012 #79
Thanks for those quotes. They_Live Dec 2012 #82
De nada. DeSwiss Dec 2012 #100
Supreme Court ruled this is perfectly legal Tempest Dec 2012 #85
I hope she get shitload of money for damages, pain & suffering 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #99
I know Berrien County. She was busted for Cursing while Black. catbyte Dec 2012 #87
Would they have done this if she looked like this?.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #93
Here's the judge and contact info.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #94
Cursing while black tavalon Dec 2012 #101
I just read another article that says she has a hearing on 8 jan--by that time, she will have niyad Dec 2012 #104
I hope she sues. Octafish Dec 2012 #105

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
77. Good - I had been hoping it was one of those signs
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:20 AM
Dec 2012

The origin - "Father Ted", a sitcom about incompetent Irish priests. "The Fathers mount a protest against a blasphemous film..."

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
92. Amazing, isn't it. I still think many Americans still just don't get how outrageous
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:41 PM
Dec 2012

this is getting to be. I was reading somewhere, and I think it's Arizona, ... is mulling a bill that would make it illegal to criticize the government on the internet. Here it is, and it's based on interpretation of what one said ... "The law, which is being pushed under the guise of an anti-bullying campaign, would mean that anything communicated or published online that was deemed to be “offensive” by the state, including editorials, illustrations, and even satire could be criminally punished."

And by this, I guess the Arizona Gestapo will come after you if you criticize Brewer ... http://www.setyoufreenews.com/2012/04/02/arizona-passes-sweeping-internet-censorship-bill/

We're treading on dangerous water in some jurisdictions in the US, and I think many Americans are absolutely clueless as to how they are being stripped of their rights.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
4. So now the tax payers get to pay for the fucking shit.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:34 PM
Dec 2012

Same ol shit ...another day. I wonder if it's her third offence? Kick in that 3 strike law. Life in prison. Now that would be some real fucking shit!

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
19. If there isn't more to the incident
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:11 PM
Dec 2012

(like disorderly conduct), then I hope the clerk gets voted out of office for wasting taxpayer money. In this day and age, it's incredible that any elected official would violate someone's right to free speech. This seems like a slam dunk case for the ACLU.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
21. if the aclu has taken the case
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:14 PM
Dec 2012

then, though there might be disorderly charges, i am guessing they have a pretty good case. they aren't going to represent just anyone who get thrown in the clinck for causing a ruckus at the county courthouse. they are fairly discriminating in what they take on.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
5. 8 days and counting for that?
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:34 PM
Dec 2012

But I think I know why. Just click on the link, check out her photo, and tell me what you think.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
63. Not once I saw the photo.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:26 PM
Dec 2012

Until then, the thought hadn't occurred to me, to tell you the truth.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
83. Yep.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:53 AM
Dec 2012

I clicked on the link, even before reading any of the posts, and my first suspicion was confirmed.

erinlough

(2,176 posts)
98. I live in Berrien county and I can promise you that you are right.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:02 PM
Dec 2012

Also qualifying you would be being poor, or not connected. The courts here are only just for the rich and connected. I know lawyers kids and judges kids in St. Joe who have been up on multiple charges; drunk driving, stealing, drunk and disorderly, even hitting a police car while drunk. None have served jail time. All are white.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
6. And not to be outdone! ""Arizona to make it illegal to use “offensive” language online?""
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:38 PM
Dec 2012
The state legislature of Arizona has passed a bill that vastly broadens telephone harassment laws and applies them to the Internet and other means of electronic communication...

“H.B. 2549 would make it a crime to use any electronic or digital device to communicate using obscene, lewd or profane language or to suggest a lewd or lascivious act if done with intent to ‘annoy,’ ‘offend,’ ‘harass’ or ‘terrify,’” the letter notes. … ‘Lewd’ and ‘profane’ are not defined in the statute or by reference. ‘Lewd’ is generally understood to mean lusty or sexual in nature and ‘profane’ is generally defined as disrespectful or irreverent about religion or religious practices.”

“H.B. 2549 is not limited to a one to one conversation between two specific people. The communication does not need to be repetitive or even unwanted. There is no requirement that the recipient or subject of the speech actually feel offended, annoyed or scared. Nor does the legislation make clear that the communication must be intended to offend or annoy the reader, the subject or even any specific person.”



https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/arizona-passes-bill-banning-profanity-online-lolwut.101473/

http://www.setyoufreenews.com/2012/04/02/arizona-passes-sweeping-internet-censorship-bill/

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
10. Definitely a state on my list to avoid. Not for vacation, not for anything except as a
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:45 PM
Dec 2012

fly-over state.

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
20. Well if you were in Arizona, you would've just broken the law!
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:11 PM
Dec 2012

I feel sorry for the liberals of that state. What an oppressive political environment.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
23. That'll get you 10 years in a corporate prison, but think of the jobs created. Hell, this
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:16 PM
Dec 2012

would lock up 3/4's of DU in Arizona.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
24. These bills are so broad brush
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:16 PM
Dec 2012

they simply can't survive a 'violation of free speech' argument in court. How did these bills even get past the legislative attorneys office?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
34. +1. But I was thinking... Wonder if profane words are copyrighted in AZ?
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:30 PM
Dec 2012

(Shouldn't give them any ideas, though)

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
42. But the legislative attorneys
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:53 PM
Dec 2012

aren't voted in - they are administratively hired. I know the legislators don't have to take their advice, but in many states the legislative attorneys have a section attached to bills where they can comment on the likelihood of the bills constitutionality. Does Arizona do that?

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
46. "The Attorney General’s Office brings and defends lawsuits
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:05 PM
Dec 2012

on behalf of the State and prepares formal legal opinions requested by State officers, legislators, or county attorneys on issues of law." https://www.azag.gov/about

It well might be that in some cases they don't solicit or perhaps ignore their advice if it were solicited. It all sounds quite strange to me with reference to these laws, overreaching, and in fact, persecutory and a violation of the US constitution (I would think.)

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
103. Because they know that they won't pass muster
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:17 PM
Dec 2012

They are pandering to their fundy base, that's all.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
43. Wait, this actually makes no logical sense. For example:
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:55 PM
Dec 2012

The law states the language is liable "if done with intent to ‘annoy,’ ‘offend,’ ‘harass’ or ‘terrify,’ ".... but then the law goes on to clarify that "there is no requirement that... the communication must be intended to offend or annoy" in order to be liable.

Oooookay.

====================

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
58. Huh. Might have to find me a linux box and write a script, send them "Fuck H.B. 2549" a few
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:55 PM
Dec 2012

thousand times...show 'em how little their repression of free speech means.

Journeyman

(15,038 posts)
12. “Take away the right to say 'fuck' and you take away the right to say 'fuck the government'.”
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:47 PM
Dec 2012

~ Lenny Bruce

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
90. fascistic move
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:42 PM
Dec 2012

...yet they claim they are all for getting the government out of an individual's life........

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
91. That won't eliminate oppression. Instead, there will be no buffer to mitigate or fight the groups...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:34 PM
Dec 2012
such as churches, corporations and plutocrats. Sure, the baggers say 'fuck the government,' but their intent is not to liberate anyone but the predators of society...



The most effective way to restrict democracy is to transfer decision-making from the public arena to unaccountable institutions: kings and princes, priestly castes, military juntas, party dictatorships, or modern corporations. ~ Noam Chomsky

That's fascism as defined by Mussolini himself. The GOP brands, Libertarianism and Tea Party are the embodiment of that style of governance. By eliminating our voices opposing their taking over all the necessities through a democratic government, they will be able to profit directly off of us.

The tyranny of the powerful causes people to stifle themselves for the necessities of life -- and they will only use government in ways to enforce that goal. They are enabled by those who seek to privatize all functions of government for their own personal profit, discriminating against all but their cronies. This they do while devouring the commons and calling it reform, when it's theft.

niyad

(113,546 posts)
13. I didn't even have to look at the pic to know. power run amok, apparently--and from what I read
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:49 PM
Dec 2012

in the article, she didn't even say this to the clerk directly--she was walking away, muttering.

was that idiot judge elected or appointed, and, if appointed, by whom?

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
53. Niyad, prepare to be shocked (sarcasm) but this judge was appointed by a republican governor who
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:39 PM
Dec 2012

was in consideration as George W. Bush's running mate. I know right? How could it be a guy like that has no respect for civil liberties? Here is Gov. Engler's partial bio from Wiki.

His administration was characterized by privatization of state services, tax reduction, educational reform, welfare reform and major reorganization of executive branch departments. In 1996 he was elected Chairman of the Republican Governors Association and in 2001 he was elected to head the National Governors Association

Oh, and how did a pre-tea party tea bagger get elected in Michigan? Well not to say that the GOP might fix an election or anything, but according to Wiki (which I know can't be trusted completely) but.....

In 1990, State Senate Majority Leader John Engler challenged Governor James Blanchard in his bid for a third term. Political observers viewed Engler's bid as a long shot, and he trailed Blanchard by double digits in the polls the weekend before the election. However, on election day Engler pulled off the upset, defeating Blanchard by approximately 17,000 votes – less than one percentage point

As for the judge, well he received the Thomas Jefferson Center's Muzzle award. 2 times in 3 years. Google his fight w. Pinkney, also involved ACLU. No wonder they were on speed dial for this woman. They knew his politics.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
96. I knew a similar case from the 90s
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:54 PM
Dec 2012

A family friend who was a young attorney had a contentious session with an established, old cranky judge...

AFTER leaving the courtroom and walking out the court building, he complained to a friend how much of an asshole the judge was, so the security guard at the front door ran into that courtroom, told the baliff who told the judge, and before my friend reaches his car in the parking lot, he gets dragged back into that courtroom, charged with contempt and spends a couple nights in jail...true story...You better believe that judge wanted to send a message on what my friend's "place" was...

 

BVictor1

(229 posts)
16. This part of Michigan is redneck central.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:55 PM
Dec 2012

Barrien, Kent, Ottawa counties...

One the eastern shores of Lake Michigan, lower central Michigan is quite red.

LittleGirl

(8,291 posts)
54. lower western Michigan is very red, redneck, hillbilly
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:41 PM
Dec 2012

near the Indiana state line.
Rachel Maddow covered the Berrien county- Benton Harbor area on her show. The area is about 80% black and yet, neighboring St. Joseph MI is about 80% white and rich.

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
17. I was with a friend in a courtroom when the judge broke for lunch
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:00 PM
Dec 2012

My friend was up on some traffic-related offense and the judge broke for lunch, telling us to come back in 45 minutes.

We came back, but the judge didn't. She left us standing in the hall for another hour. When she and some attorneys finally showed up, I said, "Welcome back to your courtroom, I hope we haven't caused you any inconvenience".

Guess who spent the night in jail?

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
18. that's messed up
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:03 PM
Dec 2012

i can totally see a judge slapping her with a <$100 fine or something. i really can. i have no problem with her being punished for this. but what they have done to her is rediculous and really amounts to cruel and unusual punishment imho

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
41. belligerently using profanities and causing a scene could be a minor breach of the peace
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:51 PM
Dec 2012

worthy of a slap on the wrist. i am not even saying that is the case here. just that i can see it in the abstract. i haven't read the briefs and am just going on the cursory info here.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
32. Jeez ... don't give them any ideas. What a F'ed up state to live in ... anymore, one has to be
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:25 PM
Dec 2012

damn careful where they live and where they go. I've written a number of states off my list as just too hostile places to ever even set foot in yet alone drive and/or live in ...

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
67. I was talking to someone recently that had moved out of Michigan. Young, bright and
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:56 PM
Dec 2012

looking to advance, nice guy, concerned about people. He had lived in someplace in Michigan, not sure where ... he said it was so crazy and right wing he had to get out even though he was a native and born there. He literally feared for his life because he was not right wing crazy. As soon as he finished college he left.

Where I live now is getting more and more right wing. I don't even like the people I see in the stores some look sooo teabaggerish. Now they want to walk around with guns strapped to their sides. The state says OK, but some of the local municipalities are trying to fight it ... we must look like absolute fools to the rest of the world.

I drive cross country sometimes. Sometimes I'm a bit nervous about it ... I stopped off one place to eat and some clearly right-wing teabagger looking type started rattling off something to me, got in a huge van and drove off talking away. Guess he didn't like my hair or something, I don't look like Glenn Beck. The restaurant was full of them.



zabet

(6,793 posts)
25. the article states
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:17 PM
Dec 2012

That she posted the 10% of her $5000 bond but the judge revoked that due to no mailing address (which may mean homeless or living here and yon with relatives). Either way...she was not in court....she was in the clerk's office....and walking away. If someone cannot mutter to themselves...there ain't no such thing as freedom of speech.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
26. Unconstitutional
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:18 PM
Dec 2012

Really, this is one where it should go all the way.

It doesn't even seem like she directly cussed at the court clerk. So she lost her temper - she had spent months trying to comply with their laws.

What is going on here?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
72. right you are. Unbelievable.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:30 AM
Dec 2012

I couldn't open the link, but I saw in the comments, someone googled on the judge who did this to that innocent woman. Found he was corrupt as hell, apparently.

Sounds like the whole place is corrupt as hell.

F them!!!!

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
80. It's a good reminder to us all to keep giving to orgs such as the ACLU
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:43 AM
Dec 2012

Truly, we need to fight back against the human bent to petty tyranny.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
81. petty tyranny, exactly
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:41 AM
Dec 2012

You're right, it IS a good reminder. Thank gods that the ACLU is involved here.

Pretty words and good vibes have their place, but without some kind of unified action, it don't mean d*ck.

Speak softy, but carry a big stick, indeed!

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
86. The SCOTUS has even ruled on it
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:14 PM
Dec 2012

The SC ruled you can say "fuck you" to a cop and it's protected speech.

This is exactly the same thing.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
88. They have been slightly less accommodating about the cussing of judges
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:38 PM
Dec 2012

But truthfully, unless this speech had the effect of disrupting court processes (non-protected speech), it does clearly have constitutional protection. As described, the incident clearly did not have that effect.

But again, this is why you need lawyers who are funded to smack this sort of thing down. The fact that it is unconstitutional does this woman no good unless she can access the legal talent to enforce her rights through the courts. Cohen V California comes to mind, among other cases. No matter how expressed, a government does not have the right to punish a citizen for an expression of that citizen's opinions on the state's conduct.

A government can censure interference with a proper government agent acting in the conduct of his/her duties. So you can't stand up in a courtroom, start cussing and disrupt court proceedings.

But stating one's disapproval of a particular government action or procedure or decision is constitutionally protected speech.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
29. Ain't America just the greatest!!! Yep, free speech, well, I guess that's only for the repressive
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:22 PM
Dec 2012

institutions.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
33. I'm wondering if the ACLU took this case because of the denial of bail to a homeless person. Or one
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:29 PM
Dec 2012

who couldn't give a satisfactory address. In criminal charges (depending on seriousness) it makes sense, but in a petty civil matter? Puuhhleezz.......

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
84. No, the artlicle at the link explains
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:56 AM
Dec 2012

that she had just moved to Indiana and was trying to get her CDL there, but they wouldn't allow it until she paid off an old ticket in Michigan.

She was not homeless, she just had no proof (yet) of her IN address due to this situation, which seems to have turned rather Kafka-esque. Well, probably plus the racism knowing that part of the state.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
40. We should all give 'em a call at: 269-983-7111
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:50 PM
Dec 2012

Diane Messinger is apparently who is handling things at the clerk's office there. Her extension is 8332. I just left them a nasty little message on their voicemail.

Isoldeblue

(1,135 posts)
44. She didn't stand a chance
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:56 PM
Dec 2012

Being black and a woman was just too much for those egoistical, self-righteous clerks and judge. If the ACLU can win this for her, I'd like to see her sue them for a pretty penny over this inane and undeserved imprisonment.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
48. Yeah, and meanwhile...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:11 PM
Dec 2012
K&R

...Wall Street thieves walk free. Where does it say in the Constitution "thou shalt now curse"? Isn't using any language you want Free Speech? (As long as it's not hollering fire in a crowded theater.) Oh... it was Indiana. That Mason Dixon line needs to be moved up, let me tell you. She had a right to be upset. She went from the frying pan into the fire when she moved from Arizona to Indiana.

Moosepoop

(1,922 posts)
66. She did move to Indiana...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:41 PM
Dec 2012

but this incident took place in Michigan. Not that there's much difference... southwestern lower Michigan is just as red as northwestern Indiana. The state line might as well not even be there in some ways.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
68. I was so mad...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:22 AM
Dec 2012

... I only read as far as it said she moved from AZ to IN. Yeah, Michigan. Indiana Jr. Both right-to-be-a-slave states now.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
70. I think that might have been where this guy had lived that I mentioned in #67. I took
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:26 AM
Dec 2012

interest in it that I had once considered relocating to Michigan, but not long after that what he had said started coming out and I changed my mind. I'm trying to get out of RW territory, not move into more of the same. Here, they think if they can get more RW and more religious people are going to flock here. How times are changing.

Phew, I'm glad we have the internet, I've learned a lot about various places. Some pretty freaky and others really good. I think there's going to be more and more of a geographical divide in this country along ideologies. Putin once said he thought the US was getting so polarized the US would eventually break into several geographical regions. Maybe he's onto something.


SunSeeker

(51,674 posts)
51. Fuck that shit. I hope she sues and recovers a nice chunk of change from the clerk's office. nt
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:19 PM
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20score

(4,769 posts)
60. Hope the judge and clerk get some fucking phone calls and
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:02 PM
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fucking emails.

Fuck their shit.

records@berriencounty.org

269-983-7111 x 8332.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
74. Fuck that shit, indeed! I encourage everyone to read the full article on this.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:40 AM
Dec 2012

I feel terrible for the woman, what bullshit.

PB

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
95. "Fuck It!" is also therapeutic:
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:28 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.thefuckitlife.com/therapy.htm

I'd probably be jailed and my "grumpy Stinz" t-shirt destroyed if I made the mistake of wearing it there (sorry, can't find the image, but it has a centaur-comic character with the words "Been there, done THAT! FUCK IT!&quot

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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
99. I hope she get shitload of money for damages, pain & suffering
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:26 PM
Dec 2012

this is totally ludicroius ...

Stuff like this makes me want to say "FUCK THIS SHIT!"

niyad

(113,546 posts)
104. I just read another article that says she has a hearing on 8 jan--by that time, she will have
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:38 PM
Dec 2012

been in jail 22 days. TWENTY TWO DAYS for muttering to herself (oh, I forgot, muttering to herself while black)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
105. I hope she sues.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:12 PM
Dec 2012

Meanwhile, those who lied America into two illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous wars...

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