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groundloop

(13,713 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:43 AM Nov 2025

Hegseth responds to report that boat survivors were killed as a result of his orders to military

Source: ABC News

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth responded to a report that he ordered the military to kill all passengers aboard a boat suspected of ferrying drugs in the Caribbean Sea in September.

According to The Washington Post, the Sept. 2 boat strike initially left two survivors clinging to the boat. The Post alleges Adm. Mitch Bradley, head of Special Operations Command, then ordered a second strike in order to comply with Hegseth's orders and to ensure the survivors couldn't call on other traffickers to retrieve them and their cargo.

In a post on X on Friday, Hegseth said the strikes were intended to be "lethal, kinetic strikes."

"Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all actions in compliance with the law of armed conflict—and approved by the best military and civilian lawyers, up and down the chain of command," Hegseth said.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hegseth-declines-comment-report-boat-survivors-killed-result/story?id=127951385

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Hegseth responds to report that boat survivors were killed as a result of his orders to military (Original Post) groundloop Nov 2025 OP
When the trials start.... DemMedic Nov 2025 #1
But there is so much competition.... RockCreek Nov 2025 #28
Nice Empty Words Roy Rolling Nov 2025 #31
South Park "Pete Hegseth is a ****ing douche" to the tune of "Danger Zone" underpants Nov 2025 #2
WTF is a "lethal, kinetic strike"? sop Nov 2025 #3
He means "fuck yeah, I gave orders to blow some guys to pieces" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2025 #5
Murder can easily be a "lethal kinetic strike," but the the latter sounds better and has more words. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2025 #21
More manly not fooled Nov 2025 #36
"lethal, kinetic" equals "lively killing" Wednesdays Nov 2025 #41
He can't spell kinetic JustAnotherGen Nov 2025 #4
Agreed Chi67 Nov 2025 #24
That is such a obvious lie... these boys will soon be out of office and we're going to have a lot of trials ashredux Nov 2025 #6
Approved by the best lawyers... hay rick Nov 2025 #7
"but but but the lawyers said I could" C_U_L8R Nov 2025 #8
Nope. You're going to jail. travelingthrulife Nov 2025 #9
Murder fisherman and pardon actual drug traffickers Ponietz Nov 2025 #10
Making sure there are no witnesses to dispute the rhetoric Deuxcents Nov 2025 #11
This orangecrush Nov 2025 #15
He must have got John Yoo to sign off on it with a memo. Midnight Writer Nov 2025 #12
lol!😂🤣 Hope22 Nov 2025 #23
"Torture lawyer" will follow him to the end of his days not fooled Nov 2025 #37
That rancid mofo said the Geneva Conventions were "quaint." OMGWTF Nov 2025 #40
That's what Cheney and his ilk said about torturing kidnapped 'prisoners' Alpeduez21 Nov 2025 #13
And we let them get away with it then as well. travelingthrulife Nov 2025 #18
It's really dangerous to give power to a guy who is a drunk and has a small dick ashredux Nov 2025 #14
It's why Putin and Trump chose him. travelingthrulife Nov 2025 #19
He's full of shit. Gimpyknee Nov 2025 #16
...and gin. LudwigPastorius Nov 2025 #45
Yes. He stated years ago his penchant for downing serial drinks containing gin. John1956PA Nov 2025 #46
I enjoyed a wee dram of Glenlivet neat back in the day. LudwigPastorius Nov 2025 #47
NO ONE has laid out any proof of what Trump + Co have claimed. NCDem47 Nov 2025 #17
Hegseth is a LIAR Martin Eden Nov 2025 #20
Spinocchio administration. BattleRow Nov 2025 #34
Push-up Pete lies AverageOldGuy Nov 2025 #22
I don't think Hegseth knows anything about international law; about the same as his knowledge of the UCMJ. patphil Nov 2025 #25
He doesn't even know what the word "kinetic" means. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #26
Shut up, Whisky. Go have another drink ya sot. paleotn Nov 2025 #27
Complete BS Pete boy Picaro Nov 2025 #29
Kinetic was adopted by the services Aviation Pro Nov 2025 #30
I'm just waiting TheFarseer Nov 2025 #32
They fired all the top JAG lawyers NickB79 Nov 2025 #33
So does this mean other countries can blow us out of the water,too? BattleRow Nov 2025 #35
Hegseth needs to be prosecuted LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #38
We need names, Hogsbreath. tavernier Nov 2025 #39
Whiskey Pete will be pardoned duckworth969 Nov 2025 #42
No evidence they were drug runners, and a full-kill admission by Hegseth. Paladin Nov 2025 #43
Armed conflict? Cirsium Nov 2025 #44
"approved by the best military and civilian lawyers..." Mmmmhmmm .. KPN Nov 2025 #48
Hegseth lies: ""Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all Martin68 Nov 2025 #49

underpants

(195,888 posts)
2. South Park "Pete Hegseth is a ****ing douche" to the tune of "Danger Zone"
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:48 AM
Nov 2025

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sop

(18,206 posts)
3. WTF is a "lethal, kinetic strike"?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:56 AM
Nov 2025

Sounds like a Hegsethian euphemism for extrajudicial killing.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,984 posts)
5. He means "fuck yeah, I gave orders to blow some guys to pieces"
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:14 AM
Nov 2025

His claim that the best lawyers told him it was legal looks unlikely. Most lawyers commentating have say "way illegal", which is why many countries have stopped giving the US intelligence in the Caribbean, so that they're not accessories to crimes. I expect they eventually found a gung-ho lawyer idiot or two to give them carte blanche to kill, and will have to use that in their defense when they're eventually brought to justice.

Uncle Joe

(64,781 posts)
21. Murder can easily be a "lethal kinetic strike," but the the latter sounds better and has more words. n/t
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:29 AM
Nov 2025

not fooled

(6,640 posts)
36. More manly
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:37 AM
Nov 2025

that's what this douche cares about--doing what Krasnov wants and propping up his manhood.

Wednesdays

(22,250 posts)
41. "lethal, kinetic" equals "lively killing"
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 12:12 PM
Nov 2025

That hardly tells us why it isn't murder.

JustAnotherGen

(37,917 posts)
4. He can't spell kinetic
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:59 AM
Nov 2025

He murdered those people. It's a human rights violation and an act of war.

I'm not coming together with the family members of Liberals who voted for this when the regime falls.

We aren't coming together and moving forward. We did that in 1877 and the sick little fuckers "rose again".

To be clear: I hate magapubs.

Chi67

(1,282 posts)
24. Agreed
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:43 AM
Nov 2025

This time, we take out the trash. There is no reasoning with MAGAs. And fascist organizations etc need to be made illegal. There need to be exceptions to the first amendment.

ashredux

(2,910 posts)
6. That is such a obvious lie... these boys will soon be out of office and we're going to have a lot of trials
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:31 AM
Nov 2025

hay rick

(9,526 posts)
7. Approved by the best lawyers...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:48 AM
Nov 2025

Good lawyers would have said "Hell, no!" Better lawyers would have said "No fucking way." Turns out the "best" lawyers thought "lethal, kinetic strikes" were some kind of harmless entertainment made for Fox News.

Midnight Writer

(25,255 posts)
12. He must have got John Yoo to sign off on it with a memo.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:12 AM
Nov 2025

I couldn't remember Yoo's first name, so I googled "torture lawyer" and his name was the first thing that came up.

not fooled

(6,640 posts)
37. "Torture lawyer" will follow him to the end of his days
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:39 AM
Nov 2025

Be a douche, expect to be called one.

OMGWTF

(5,061 posts)
40. That rancid mofo said the Geneva Conventions were "quaint."
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:45 AM
Nov 2025

How many times do we have to endure the same sh!t from these lawless people? Bush and Cheney should have been in The Hague on trial for crimes against humanity. The Rethuglican party must be eliminated.

John1956PA

(4,905 posts)
46. Yes. He stated years ago his penchant for downing serial drinks containing gin.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:59 PM
Nov 2025

Occasionally, I prefer sipping a Canadian whisky on the rocks. I think that gulping down alcohol is a waste of it.

LudwigPastorius

(14,500 posts)
47. I enjoyed a wee dram of Glenlivet neat back in the day.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 02:04 PM
Nov 2025

But yeah, if you have to drown your booze in a mixer just so you can drink more of it, you likely have a problem.

Martin Eden

(15,516 posts)
20. Hegseth is a LIAR
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:27 AM
Nov 2025

Which is understandable, since lying is a requirement for a speaking position in the Trump administration. Not just spin; bold faced lies.

Hegseth honed those skills as a weekend host on Fox News.

patphil

(8,920 posts)
25. I don't think Hegseth knows anything about international law; about the same as his knowledge of the UCMJ.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:55 AM
Nov 2025

Hegseth's lawyers will tell him exactly what he wants to hear. That's why they're there.
Or, perhaps they advised him of the law, but his brain translated it into a legal confirmation of his beliefs.

Picaro

(2,369 posts)
29. Complete BS Pete boy
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:06 AM
Nov 2025

Your lawyers (the ones you failed to consult) should have told you that centuries of maritime law require that you save survivors even in war once the threat is eliminated. Since there was never a threat you’d have a hell of a time proving that your orders were anything but illegal.

Aviation Pro

(15,427 posts)
30. Kinetic was adopted by the services
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:16 AM
Nov 2025

During our 20-year war period. It’s a sanitized version for killing or blowing them up.

TheFarseer

(9,767 posts)
32. I'm just waiting
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:24 AM
Nov 2025

For other countries like the UK, Germany, France etc to demand to know WTF we are doing?! None of this is legal. Or are they speaking up and we are not hearing about it?

NickB79

(20,297 posts)
33. They fired all the top JAG lawyers
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:26 AM
Nov 2025

And then claim their hand-picked replacement lawyers told them it's all perfectly legal.

Imagine that.

tavernier

(14,420 posts)
39. We need names, Hogsbreath.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:43 AM
Nov 2025

Name the Lawyers. I’m sure they will want to corroborate your orders.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
43. No evidence they were drug runners, and a full-kill admission by Hegseth.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:07 PM
Nov 2025

In a nation with a shred of remaining decency in its leadership, we'd have a new Secretary of Defense. Beyond shameful.

Cirsium

(3,795 posts)
44. Armed conflict?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:12 PM
Nov 2025

That guy: "Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all actions in compliance with the law of armed conflict..."

What "armed conflict?" With whom is the US at war?

ABC: "Critics of the Trump administration and some legal experts have questioned the legality of the strikes." Both-siderism at its very worst.

Some call intentionally killing innocent unarmed people murder, others call it "lethal, kinetic strikes." ABC is giving us "both sides" of the issue.

KPN

(17,288 posts)
48. "approved by the best military and civilian lawyers..." Mmmmhmmm ..
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 02:09 PM
Nov 2025

Yeah, just like he's "the best" Secretary of Defense as well.

Martin68

(27,462 posts)
49. Hegseth lies: ""Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 04:12 PM
Nov 2025

actions in compliance with the law of armed conflict—and approved by the best military and civilian lawyers, up and down the chain of command," Hegseth said.

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