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BumRushDaShow

(164,531 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 06:20 PM 17 hrs ago

Sonia Sotomayor silences Supreme Court chamber with blistering challenge to Trump lawyer

Source: Raw Story

December 9, 2025 2:05PM ET


An exchange between Justice Sonia Sotomayor and Donald Trump's Solicitor General D. John Sauer briefly silenced the U.S. Supreme Court chamber Tuesday.

Sauer argued in Trump v. Slaughter – a case that could redefine the limits of presidential power over independent agencies and give the Trump more authority to fire officials – that the Constitution vests full removal authority in the president and that a 90-year precedent insulating officials inside those agencies should be discarded — showing how far the government intended to take the challenge, reported Newsweek.

“You’re asking us to destroy the structure of government and to take away from Congress its ability to protect its idea that the government is better structured with some agencies that are independent,” Sotomayor said. Justice Samuel Alito asked Sauer to respond, and he assured the court that overturning the Humphrey’s Executor precedent – allowing President Donald Trump to fire independent agency leaders – would not fundamentally reshape the government.

“The sky will not fall,” Sauer said. “The entire government will move toward accountability to the people.”

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/trump-v-slaughter-2674383338/



“The sky will not fall,” Sauer said.


No but the U.S. WILL fall.
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Sonia Sotomayor silences Supreme Court chamber with blistering challenge to Trump lawyer (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 17 hrs ago OP
Oh my God ... this needs to be broadcast far and wide FakeNoose 16 hrs ago #1
PURE UNADULTERATED FASCISM ! KS Toronado 15 hrs ago #10
Asks about Elon Musk and campaign contributions. . . approx 3 minutes liberalla 15 hrs ago #13
The fact that this even reached this high is enough to legitimately question our entire legal situation here. OldBaldy1701E 16 hrs ago #2
So ironic that the original precedent came from an anti-FDR anti-New Deal court in 1935 Ponietz 16 hrs ago #3
I thought of that, too. Compare trump and FDR. mpcamb 15 hrs ago #9
The sky will not fall. tavernier 16 hrs ago #4
Rec. Rec. Rec malaise 15 hrs ago #5
I hope someday that young people markodochartaigh 15 hrs ago #6
"... move toward accountability to the people" Solly Mack 15 hrs ago #7
... the people who write the checks. nt eppur_se_muova 11 hrs ago #19
Yep Solly Mack 11 hrs ago #20
Sauer's argument is illogical, and a literal argument for a king. Uncle Joe 15 hrs ago #8
When I hear or read something like this - Dan 15 hrs ago #11
Sauer, YOU LIE!! yorkster 15 hrs ago #12
Accountability to the people will end if Trump takes power over agency heads from Congress. ChicagoTeamster 15 hrs ago #14
How will it move to accountability?!? angrychair 15 hrs ago #15
I seem to remember that the will of the people resides within the Congress. flashman13 15 hrs ago #16
There is no accountability by the people when elections are stolen. Irish_Dem 14 hrs ago #17
Typical Raw Story BS. onenote 11 hrs ago #18
Remember that they usually get their material from BumRushDaShow 5 hrs ago #21
I'll give Newsweek this much: onenote 1 hr ago #22
They run the delayed audio of hearings too BumRushDaShow 24 min ago #23

FakeNoose

(39,803 posts)
1. Oh my God ... this needs to be broadcast far and wide
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 06:36 PM
16 hrs ago

Chump wants to remove the constitutional powers of oversight from Congress ... and piss it all away!

OldBaldy1701E

(9,812 posts)
2. The fact that this even reached this high is enough to legitimately question our entire legal situation here.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 06:38 PM
16 hrs ago

Hoping that this current Supreme Court will rule correctly is even more frightening.

Still no treason arrests and still no Epstein files, I see.

mpcamb

(3,172 posts)
9. I thought of that, too. Compare trump and FDR.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 07:50 PM
15 hrs ago

One was a statesman who brought the country thru a depression and a war.
The other caused a depression and is itching to start a war.

tavernier

(14,154 posts)
4. The sky will not fall.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 07:00 PM
16 hrs ago

That there is real legal eagle talk. He could have added, a penny saved is a penny earned. Or perhaps, different strokes for different folks. Or the ever popular, let a smile be your umbrella.

But I guess it doesn’t matter. Our justice system was sold to the highest bidder and Roberts and company will give them whatever they want. They don’t really even have to send a wanna-be lawyer to represent HRH.

markodochartaigh

(4,791 posts)
6. I hope someday that young people
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 07:36 PM
15 hrs ago

will learn about Justice Sotomayor's stand here as they tour the Museum of Travesties and Horrors in the repurposed Epstein Memorial Ballroom. They will be forced to face the failures of their parents and hear that there were those who stood strong against them.

Uncle Joe

(63,930 posts)
8. Sauer's argument is illogical, and a literal argument for a king.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 07:47 PM
15 hrs ago

Thanks for the thread BumRushDaShow

Dan

(4,915 posts)
11. When I hear or read something like this -
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 08:09 PM
15 hrs ago

It sort of explains the Russian peoples response to Hitler's invasion during WW2 - they met the German soldiers (initially) with Salt and Bread.

angrychair

(11,612 posts)
15. How will it move to accountability?!?
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 08:17 PM
15 hrs ago

What they are asking for is partisan appointments that serve at the feet of a president. This will send regulations into a tailspin because those agencies will work only to serve the whims of a president, which is NOT always in the best interest of the people because sometimes even a president's agenda isn't always of their own making or control.

flashman13

(1,876 posts)
16. I seem to remember that the will of the people resides within the Congress.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 08:17 PM
15 hrs ago

The president's job is to execute the will of the people as expressed through the Congress. The president is not the government.

Irish_Dem

(78,752 posts)
17. There is no accountability by the people when elections are stolen.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 08:31 PM
14 hrs ago

And psychopaths in power use every trick in the book to steal and retain money and power.

onenote

(45,933 posts)
18. Typical Raw Story BS.
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 11:25 PM
11 hrs ago

First, during an oral argument, the Supreme Court chamber is always deathly silent unless someone makes a joke, in which case you might hear some chuckles. But rarely.

Second, I listened to the argument and the amount of time between Sotomayor's statement and Sauer's response was approximately one second. You can check it out by listening to the argument online at https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2025/25-332 at around the 2:23:35 mark.

To be absolutely clear, I am not in any way, shape or from disparaging Sotomayor's argument, which is spot on. But Raw Story's claim that it somehow "silenced" the chamber is hyperbolic nonsense.

BumRushDaShow

(164,531 posts)
21. Remember that they usually get their material from
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 05:56 AM
5 hrs ago

1.) other news sites
2.) social media
3.) "guest" writers from news/blog sites
4.) their own staff actually watching any programming and/or monitoring events and publishing summaries

Newsweek had pretty much the identical "take" - Sonia Sotomayor’s Remarks Silence Supreme Court

I was originally going to use that but I don't like to have the same source multiple times in a row (had posted something from Newsweek earlier) or within too short a timeframe, and prefer to find a variety of sources for the same story.

Dismissing them because of their somewhat "tabloid style" headlines is a mistake because the current so-called "mainstream media" is now almost totally compromised, offering "bribes" and "quid pro quos" to stay in the favor of 45. So we are going to have to broaden our perspectives to find alternates to actually find out what is going on because those other, formally "trusted" sources, are either going to "catch and kill" the story or will delay reporting on it (either by claiming a "publication date/time" but not actually linking to it on their websites until a day or more later), or will skew it.

onenote

(45,933 posts)
22. I'll give Newsweek this much:
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 09:44 AM
1 hr ago

It says that the point at which Sauer "paused' before responding to Sotomayor was when she said “What you’re saying is the president can do more than the law permits.” That is true to the extent that Sauer was "silent" for around four seconds before he responded. But that occurred nearly 25 minutes AFTER the exchange Raw Story claims "silenced" the chamber.

I've attended a lot of Supreme Court arguments. I've never argued a case myself, but I'm a member of the Supreme Court bar, have participated in drafting petitions for certiorari, merits briefs, amicus briefs, etc. What I heard in listening to over two hours of the argument in the Slaughter case was not much different than what I've heard in any number of cases -- "sharp exchanges" are not uncommon at all.

BumRushDaShow

(164,531 posts)
23. They run the delayed audio of hearings too
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 10:57 AM
24 min ago

(I recall listening to the Bush v. Gore one)

I would think that in general, a courtroom is generally "quiet" (I sat on a jury last year myself and it only got raucous at the very end when the defendant's family started cheering when we acquitted the guy, and the judge had to get control). But I expect given the gravity of the situation and her remark, they chose to characterize and punctuate what she said.

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