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highplainsdem

(59,427 posts)
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 12:06 PM Wednesday

Earliest known evidence of human fire-making dating back 400,000 years is discovered in the UK

Source: Independent

Groundbreaking research has revealed the earliest known evidence of human fire-making in the UK, dating back over 400,000 years.

This discovery, at a disused clay pit near Barnham, Suffolk, pushes the timeline back 350,000 years from the previous record of 50,000 years ago in northern France.

The Barnham site, between Thetford and Bury St Edmunds, yielded fire-cracked flint hand axes and heated sediments.

Crucially, two fragments of iron pyrite – a spark-striking mineral – were also found.

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Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/human-fire-making-earliest-evidence-suffolk-b2881949.html

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Earliest known evidence of human fire-making dating back 400,000 years is discovered in the UK (Original Post) highplainsdem Wednesday OP
Probably cooking Fish & Chips. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Wednesday #1
lol wolfie001 Wednesday #4
Glad you got a chuckle! It was an intentional anachronism. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Thursday #14
I was 60 years old when I found out the term "corn" meant flour in Europe wolfie001 Thursday #15
No, but will check them out. Thanks. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Thursday #16
Well, "grain" really. The Corn Laws in England regulated the sale of grain, but corn often meant "wheat" by default. eppur_se_muova Thursday #18
Mastery of fire is a key behavior that distinguishes humans from any other animal. dedl67 Wednesday #2
Makes Sense roscoeroscoe Wednesday #3
They were burning humans? Oh, nevermind. twodogsbarking Wednesday #5
That long ago, they must have been Neanderthals. JustABozoOnThisBus Wednesday #6
Yes. The article (which isn't paywalled) mentions that these were probably early neanderthal people. highplainsdem Wednesday #7
That's an incredible jump in the history of fire making. Probably implies other big time shifts coming. erronis Wednesday #8
Some say that the Neanderthals on the British isle survived to this day. LudwigPastorius Wednesday #9
JK Rowling wolfie001 Wednesday #10
Nah they moved to the US where they are now known as Republicans. cstanleytech Thursday #13
I have an acquaintance of an acquaintance of an acquaintance Warpy Wednesday #11
It is becoming increasingly obvious that humans developed advanced technology far longer ago than accepted by the Martin68 Wednesday #12
Just don't cite Graham Hancock and his followers (including Joe Rogaine) wolfie001 Thursday #17
Yes, indeed, there are many charlatans in out there. Martin68 Thursday #21
Oh goodie! wolfie001 Thursday #22
Everyone's heard of "flint and steel", but I only heard about pyrite making sparks a few years ago, which is surprising. eppur_se_muova Thursday #19
What were they lighting, man? Kid Berwyn Thursday #20
Paleontologists have discovered that within five minutes of the discovery ... 11 Bravo Thursday #23
Come here this instant ... both of you! FakeNoose Thursday #24

RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(1,678 posts)
14. Glad you got a chuckle! It was an intentional anachronism.
Thu Dec 11, 2025, 07:15 AM
Thursday

I've studied North American Indians (sic) for many decades, as well as the European invasion. That's why I haven't celebrated Thanksgiving in over 30 years. Oh, studied World religions even longer, that's why I'm not religious, so no Christmas for me!

wolfie001

(6,803 posts)
15. I was 60 years old when I found out the term "corn" meant flour in Europe
Thu Dec 11, 2025, 10:16 AM
Thursday

I'm such a "quick learner" Cheers

ps- Have you heard the Yale Courses and Dr. Freeman's Middle Ages/Post Rome lectures on YT? I put them on when I get on my bike. He's so great.

eppur_se_muova

(40,751 posts)
18. Well, "grain" really. The Corn Laws in England regulated the sale of grain, but corn often meant "wheat" by default.
Thu Dec 11, 2025, 11:16 AM
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What Americans call "corn" is called "maize" or "Indian corn" in Europe, although the "Indian corn" thing is a tad archaic. It was a new grain from "the Indes", so they called it "Indian corn".

(Not to be confused with Korn from the Indies)

dedl67

(150 posts)
2. Mastery of fire is a key behavior that distinguishes humans from any other animal.
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 12:48 PM
Wednesday

The book "Vestal Fire" by Stephen Pyne is a fascinating account of humans' use of fire, and defense against fire, through European history. Nearly every aspect of our lives is connected in some way with fire and Pyne covers everything. So this discovery is very important in understanding the evolution of the genus Homo.

highplainsdem

(59,427 posts)
7. Yes. The article (which isn't paywalled) mentions that these were probably early neanderthal people.
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 03:01 PM
Wednesday

erronis

(22,361 posts)
8. That's an incredible jump in the history of fire making. Probably implies other big time shifts coming.
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 03:09 PM
Wednesday

LudwigPastorius

(13,995 posts)
9. Some say that the Neanderthals on the British isle survived to this day.
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 03:35 PM
Wednesday

...and became Millwall F.C. fans.

Warpy

(114,343 posts)
11. I have an acquaintance of an acquaintance of an acquaintance
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 04:20 PM
Wednesday

who is iin Africa looking for the same things, concentrating on places where natural fire was least likely to occur. She's trying to push it back millionds of years, all the way back to Australopithecus. I don't know if she'll find traces from that deep in time, but I think it highly likely that A. Afarensis most likely used harvested fire and knew how to keep it going, at the very least.

I'mnot a bit surprised they found this in the UK, there have been several waves of hominid occupation between severe climate shifts that buried the islands in ice. H. Heidelbergensis and the later Neanderthals were well known to use fire and to cook their food.

Love these deep time discoveries.

Martin68

(26,874 posts)
12. It is becoming increasingly obvious that humans developed advanced technology far longer ago than accepted by the
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 10:01 PM
Wednesday

current scientific consensus. We also reached the New World far earlier than the 10,000 to 20,00 year timeline that is currently accepted, by a variety of different routes and transportation means.

wolfie001

(6,803 posts)
17. Just don't cite Graham Hancock and his followers (including Joe Rogaine)
Thu Dec 11, 2025, 10:31 AM
Thursday

He's a clown and a fraud.

eppur_se_muova

(40,751 posts)
19. Everyone's heard of "flint and steel", but I only heard about pyrite making sparks a few years ago, which is surprising.
Thu Dec 11, 2025, 12:18 PM
Thursday

Pyrite is well known as "fool's gold" because the brassy-gold, shiny color of unweathered pyrite has fooled many people into imagining a "rich strike" that wasn't. Under optimum conditions it forms large, well-formed crystals which are popular with collectors, and found in any rock shop or rock/mineral/gem collectors' convention. In all my years of being an amateur rock collector starting in grade school, I never heard (or more oddly, never read) of pyrite's spark-making ability. It's not even mentioned in the Boy Scout Manual, or in anything I've ever read on camping ! It seems to have once been common knowledge, but once iron and/or steel became commonly available, pyrite fell into disuse and its abilities were largely forgotten, at least in common discourse. We even overlook the name "pyrite" being derived from Greek "πῦρ", or fire, which gives us all those words starting with 'pyro-' having to do with fire or heat -- as well as "pyre", the poet's favorite synonym for fire !



Pyrite has been made into jewelry since prehistoric times (still is), and flint (and its somewhat softer relative, chert) have been used since prehistoric times to make sharp tools and weapons. So it was probably pretty early in human existence, once humans began using and making tools and collecting shiny baubles, that someone -- maybe the very earliest of "someones" -- happened to strike flint and pyrite together and observed a hot spark*. All this has led me to realize that humans quite likely learned to make their own fire a very long time ago, and did not spend eons relying on "found fire" from lightning strikes and other natural sources of ignition, as has often been assumed. So the recent discovery has me thinking, to some extent, "of course", and wondering how many early human fire-starting nodules of pyrite have been overlooked due to weathering to rusty brown rocks or even breaking up altogether.

Weathered pyrite can be transformed completely into dark brown or reddish-brown iron oxide/hydroxide minerals, which are much less eye-catching:





*"Sometimes the hardest thing about making a discovery is recognizing that you have made a discovery." Although I have seen this attributed to Enrico Fermi, I cannot find a source.

11 Bravo

(24,264 posts)
23. Paleontologists have discovered that within five minutes of the discovery ...
Thu Dec 11, 2025, 05:31 PM
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Trump's earliest known ancestor initiated the first ever fart-lighting contest.

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