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BumRushDaShow

(166,309 posts)
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 06:51 PM Dec 19

Franklin Graham Says 'God Also Hates' and 'Is a God of War' at Pentagon's 'Christmas Worship Service'

Source: MEDIAite

Dec 19th, 2025, 12:38 pm


Evangelical preacher Franklin Graham told participants at the Pentagon ‘s “Christmas Worship Service” that the “God of love” they’re familiar with “also hates.”

Graham addressed troops and Pentagon employees Thursday at the event hosted by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and his wife, Jennifer Hegseth.

“You know, we think about, God is a God of love,” Graham said before reciting Bible verse John 3:16, “God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that he whoever believeth in him shouldn’t perish, but have everlasting life.” Graham continued, “We know that God loves, but did you know that God also hates? Do you know that God also is a God of war? And many people don’t want to think about that, or forget that.”

Graham read a Bible passage where Saul was called on to attack Israel’s enemies, saying, “Utterly destroy all that they have. Don’t spare them….but kill them, both men, women, infant, nursing child, oxen, sheep, camel, and donkey.” “Now, people will say, ‘Franklin, that is so hard. That’s not the God I believe in.’ Well, you’d better believe in him!” Graham said.

Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/franklin-graham-says-god-also-hates-and-is-a-god-of-war-at-pentagons-christmas-worship-service/



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Franklin Graham Says 'God Also Hates' and 'Is a God of War' at Pentagon's 'Christmas Worship Service' (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 19 OP
WOW.................. Lovie777 Dec 19 #1
No greater hate than Christian love. NotHardly Dec 19 #12
That's the first reason I left the faith PJMcK Dec 19 #49
Graham is promoting pre-Christianity. Thus he quotes the Old Testament delisen Dec 19 #66
100% that! oasis Dec 20 #77
TX2 - "Randy McNally (No Love Like Christian Hate)" (Official Video) Celerity Dec 20 #91
Well that will surely be the end of Franklin Graham.. Escape Dec 19 #2
His father Billy Graham would be soooooo ashamed of him !! Trueblue1968 Dec 19 #37
I was thinking that, too. DFW Dec 20 #67
BS Woodycall Dec 20 #71
Yep. Zorro Dec 20 #96
Oh please. Daddy Graham suggested we bomb the dams in Cambodia and drown thousands of travelingthrulife Dec 20 #87
Wouldn't surprise me if that frisky little bastard was on the Lolita Express. travelingthrulife Dec 20 #86
Unfortunately, this is what many so-called Christian's want to hear. yardwork Dec 20 #92
Blasphemy. He's a monster and a fraud. kysrsoze Dec 19 #3
Graham and his daddy were always "haters" imo...I could never stand their OTT hubris and BS... wcmagumba Dec 19 #4
What the Graham's love is being close to earthly power. Billy was Nixon's confessor. Franklin is a Trump ass kisser. flashman13 Dec 19 #6
Kinda like, PROOF there is no God bluestarone Dec 19 #5
I've always thought it's an accident of history that the God of the OT and the God of the NT are thought to be the same. Girard442 Dec 19 #7
I had a class in HS Called the Bible as literature crud Dec 19 #48
It's been suggested that the God of the OT is the Devil of the New. eppur_se_muova Dec 19 #62
He's got it backwards. Franklin Graham is the one that hates. They say that the one that loudly proclaims their faith SWBTATTReg Dec 19 #8
He'll be joining dear old dad relayerbob Dec 19 #9
What else does a nepo televangelical grifter say to gov't military--god loves war, and you better, too. Timeflyer Dec 19 #10
Religious Demagogues are the worst! Chasstev365 Dec 19 #11
biggest groomers on the planet Skittles Dec 19 #13
This is the problem with ignoring the separation of church and state - they find bloodthirsty religionists muriel_volestrangler Dec 19 #14
a religion that endorses genocide is an evil religion DBoon Dec 19 #15
I guess he never read Provers 6: 16-19, which speaks about the seven things God hates padah513 Dec 19 #16
God destroyed Sodom by raining fire from heaven Seinan Sensei Dec 19 #61
And, huge offense, they did not welcome a stranger.Obviously the importance of that was because it travelingthrulife Dec 20 #89
Exactly. TomSlick Dec 20 #93
He'd better hope that hell isn't real. n/t TheBadWolf Dec 19 #17
Graham and similar clowns claim to be followers generalbetrayus Dec 19 #18
That's it exactly. BumRushDaShow Dec 19 #20
They listen to Paul over Jesus. travelingthrulife Dec 20 #90
This is a new one! And who exactly does their "God" hate? mwb970 Dec 19 #19
Coincidently everyone they hate. StarryNite Dec 19 #46
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly spudspud Dec 19 #21
Frankie, you're right about that Old Testament murderer. Mblaze Dec 19 #22
No, Franklin. I disagree. hamsterjill Dec 19 #23
Jeebus..... wolfie001 Dec 19 #24
and Graham wonders why people are turning against religion. Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 19 #25
So much for the New Testament. Efilroft Sul Dec 19 #26
Hate pays well. Turbineguy Dec 19 #27
That "god" is a psychopath nt Javaman Dec 19 #28
The Bible has had many revisions. It is God'x will. Believe it or you will spend eternity with Frankin Graham Cracker. twodogsbarking Dec 19 #29
What a shitbag God they all worship. nt Gore1FL Dec 19 #30
Love me and worship me...or I'll put you in a torture reality for ever. chouchou Dec 19 #31
Love me, worship me and FEAR ME! hatrack Dec 19 #43
And they wonder why some of us chucked the whole damn thing. paleotn Dec 19 #45
Franklin Graham is an obscenity Zelda_Orchid Dec 19 #32
Grifter Graham strikes again. Wonder Why Dec 19 #33
Rootin' for the End Times. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 19 #34
I'll bet Franklin's father is turning over in his grave! slightlv Dec 19 #35
PASS THE LORD & PRAISE THE AMMUNITION!!!! Montauk6 Dec 19 #36
Do it in the name of heaven! ThoughtCriminal Dec 19 #38
Thanks for the memory! BuddhaGirl Dec 20 #97
Paging John Fugelsang not fooled Dec 19 #39
Franklin, put the wine down and button your pants. rubbersole Dec 19 #40
This is how the Christian Crusades started. JohnnyRingo Dec 19 #41
How the fuck would he know? Gaugamela Dec 19 #42
They can throw me in a Christian reeducation camp AZ8theist Dec 19 #44
Some of us know their book as good or better than they do. paleotn Dec 19 #47
A Good Example MissouriDem47 Dec 19 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Buddyzbuddy Dec 19 #51
On edit, Falwell, Franklin....I get my Christian grifters confused. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 19 #53
That was Jerry Falwell Jr. Dulcinea Dec 19 #63
Thank you I will self delete my error. Buddyzbuddy Dec 20 #73
Conservatives have gone entirely Old Testament. Jesus doesn't figure in their religion at all. Martin68 Dec 19 #52
He is soooooo messed up.... FarPoint Dec 19 #54
Wrong ! 1 Samuel 15:3 . This is NOT Christianity . It's ths OLD Covenant . ... Bread and Circuses Dec 19 #55
not my god . love thy neighbor as thyself. do onto others . AllaN01Bear Dec 19 #56
Graham is right, if you ignore the fact that OT and NT are almost exact opposites Bluetus Dec 19 #57
My spiritual teacher said that the only part of the Old Testament we should pay attention to is the 1st 5 books. patphil Dec 19 #65
What he says is quite biblical, actually. Munu Dec 19 #58
Franklin Graham is misguided and has besmirched the Christian faith. PatrickforB Dec 19 #59
Sorry but that's fucking demented angrychair Dec 19 #60
God doesn't hate. Humans hate and transfer that hate to God to justify it. patphil Dec 19 #64
Wilfred Owen bmichaelh Dec 20 #68
All these "religious" people making money off of other "believers." DFW Dec 20 #69
So some made up nonsense contradicts some other made up nonsense? JoseBalow Dec 20 #70
Wow, is there anyone connected to Trump that isn't a batshit crazy psychopath? Anyone? Initech Dec 20 #72
Which god is he talking about? QueerDuck Dec 20 #74
Ares, or Thor, good Christian gods all. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 20 #98
How primitive, to believe that enigmania Dec 20 #75
It is pure human error for him to quote what Saul did as the will of God.Love is God's other name.The creator of spirit ancianita Dec 20 #76
The Abrahamic Blood Cults Of YAHWEH, Islam And 'Christ' Are The Single Most Destructive Societal Construct MayReasonRule Dec 20 #78
Then ypur religion is NOT Christianity. You believe in the god of the Old Testament and sinkingfeeling Dec 20 #79
Weird sermon for advent week of Love JT45242 Dec 20 #80
Father Charles Coughlin reincarnated? WestMichRad Dec 20 #81
Dammit. I missed that. COL Mustard Dec 20 #82
I am a little shocked that people still want to hear this fuck stick speak. nt BootinUp Dec 20 #83
Franklin is Satan's arrogant evil little helper Clouds Passing Dec 20 #84
"God is hate" travelingthrulife Dec 20 #85
Wasn't he just three-waying it awhile back with his wife and some kid they met? travelingthrulife Dec 20 #88
Disgusting Rebl2 Dec 20 #94
Hey, Franklin! How's your pool boy? Watched any good $#&@* lately? 😈 Linda ladeewolf Dec 20 #95

PJMcK

(24,817 posts)
49. That's the first reason I left the faith
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 09:37 PM
Dec 19

The second was that Science makes sense and, more importantly, is PROVABLE.

Religions are fake.

delisen

(7,253 posts)
66. Graham is promoting pre-Christianity. Thus he quotes the Old Testament
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 11:59 PM
Dec 19

He thinks it gives him permission to kill, maim, persecute, steal, and deceive. The anti-christian christians of the Roman Empire did the same.

💕

DFW

(59,783 posts)
67. I was thinking that, too.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 12:12 AM
Dec 20

Daddy Billy would have kicked out of the house and told him never to return if he wasn’t wearing a muzzle while suffering from laryngitis.

Woodycall

(597 posts)
71. BS
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 01:19 AM
Dec 20

"Daddy Billy" was a goddamn fraudster too. He was most adept at brainwashing and controlling his feeble-minded followers into supporting right-wing corporate fascism contrary to their own best economic interests. Mostly through playing on their fear of going to hell. Like they all do! His corporate and political elite buddies didn't buy his "holy holy" bullshit one fucking wit. They knew he was working for them. Guns, god, & gays baby! He was practically the genesis of this whole sick fucking cult. And he sure made his millions and lived the "life style". A motherfucking con-man all day long and was as big a part of the right's "long con" as any of the bastards all the way back to, and before, Lewis Powell. Franklin is just more comfortable being open about what their dirty fucking game is really all about.

Zorro

(18,360 posts)
96. Yep.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 02:34 PM
Dec 20

Father Billy was a grifter par excellence.

I recall reading an article in Time about him in the 1970's and they mentioned his $200 pair of shoes, and I thought what a charlatan he was.

$200 was a good chunk of money then that could have been used to help the needy, and that huckster was spending it on shoes. And I'm certain he had more than one pair.

travelingthrulife

(4,576 posts)
87. Oh please. Daddy Graham suggested we bomb the dams in Cambodia and drown thousands of
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 10:02 AM
Dec 20

people during VN war.

yardwork

(68,996 posts)
92. Unfortunately, this is what many so-called Christian's want to hear.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:08 AM
Dec 20

They want permission to hate.

flashman13

(2,113 posts)
6. What the Graham's love is being close to earthly power. Billy was Nixon's confessor. Franklin is a Trump ass kisser.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:04 PM
Dec 19

They are both grifting hypocrites. It's people like them that give religion a bad name.

bluestarone

(21,362 posts)
5. Kinda like, PROOF there is no God
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:00 PM
Dec 19

If there were a God, Franklin would have been called home 2 seconds after making this statement.

Girard442

(6,830 posts)
7. I've always thought it's an accident of history that the God of the OT and the God of the NT are thought to be the same.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:05 PM
Dec 19

crud

(1,211 posts)
48. I had a class in HS Called the Bible as literature
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 09:36 PM
Dec 19

We treated them as two completely different characters, OT was Yaweh and NT was God

eppur_se_muova

(41,119 posts)
62. It's been suggested that the God of the OT is the Devil of the New.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 11:41 PM
Dec 19

Not sure how seriously to take that, but it's a thought.

SWBTATTReg

(26,093 posts)
8. He's got it backwards. Franklin Graham is the one that hates. They say that the one that loudly proclaims their faith
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:05 PM
Dec 19

etc. are in fact, totally opposite of what they are claiming.

Besides 'Love thy neighbor', You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Timeflyer

(3,707 posts)
10. What else does a nepo televangelical grifter say to gov't military--god loves war, and you better, too.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:08 PM
Dec 19

muriel_volestrangler

(105,670 posts)
14. This is the problem with ignoring the separation of church and state - they find bloodthirsty religionists
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:16 PM
Dec 19

to fit the desires of the psychopath in charge, rather than people who represent the actual message of the religion concerned for the time of year. It's a way of the Trump regime trying to dictate to all Christians how they should be a Christian (in this case, by ignoring what the "Christ" section of the bible says in favour of a mythical bit of the Old Testament that most Jews today would say is a violent message that their religion moved on from a couple of thousand years ago).

padah513

(2,707 posts)
16. I guess he never read Provers 6: 16-19, which speaks about the seven things God hates
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:19 PM
Dec 19

Trump checks all the boxes, and if Hegseth hasn't checked them all yet, he's getting close to it

Seinan Sensei

(1,393 posts)
61. God destroyed Sodom by raining fire from heaven
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 11:33 PM
Dec 19

Why?

Because Sodom was
“arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.” (Ezekiel 16)

Franklin Graham left out that part, where his God hates those who don’t help the poor and needy.

travelingthrulife

(4,576 posts)
89. And, huge offense, they did not welcome a stranger.Obviously the importance of that was because it
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 10:14 AM
Dec 20

was desert and people will die if not allowed in.

I was raised as a lutheran so I was always taught that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexuality. It wasn't until I was an adult that I heard the Jewish interpretation was that the sin was being unwelcoming to a stranger.

My interpretation was that the guy willing to throw his daughters out to the mob to be raped was problematic.

TomSlick

(12,891 posts)
93. Exactly.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:44 AM
Dec 20
There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies, and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

Proverbs 6: 16-19 (NIV)

I don't see any that Hegseth and Trump have missed.

generalbetrayus

(1,533 posts)
18. Graham and similar clowns claim to be followers
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:20 PM
Dec 19

of Christ but worship the Old Testament god. Anyone with a functioning brain should be able to see that it’s a different god. Like comedian Lewis Black has said in the past, apparently God took anger management classes between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

BumRushDaShow

(166,309 posts)
20. That's it exactly.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:30 PM
Dec 19

They cling to the Old Testament (the Torah) and ignore the writings of Jesus, his Apostles (the Gospels) and the later-converted author Paul/Saul.

spudspud

(640 posts)
21. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:32 PM
Dec 19

introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

-- 2 Peter 2:1-2.

There's a Bible verse he should probably pay close attention to.

Mblaze

(929 posts)
22. Frankie, you're right about that Old Testament murderer.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:33 PM
Dec 19

That bloodthirsty "God" even killed 70,000 of his "chosen people" simply as punishment for King David because David counted them.

But you are a Christian, right? Don't you believe in the Christian revolution? I'm not Christian but I can read.

Jesus said: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

He also said: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous,

Jesus never sent his flock to brutally wipe out his "enemies". Read up on your book and figure it out. You are just another political/religious opportunist.

hamsterjill

(17,110 posts)
23. No, Franklin. I disagree.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:40 PM
Dec 19

So tired of the Christian belief being distorted and used to justify exactly those things that it does not stand for.

wolfie001

(7,214 posts)
24. Jeebus.....
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:42 PM
Dec 19

.....is supposed to return with the 4 horsemen and wield a sword to cut off the heads of non-believers. My money's on The Flying Spaghetti Monster

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(16,190 posts)
25. and Graham wonders why people are turning against religion.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:44 PM
Dec 19

and if he doesn't wonder that, he should!

twodogsbarking

(17,670 posts)
29. The Bible has had many revisions. It is God'x will. Believe it or you will spend eternity with Frankin Graham Cracker.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 08:05 PM
Dec 19

chouchou

(2,861 posts)
31. Love me and worship me...or I'll put you in a torture reality for ever.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 08:28 PM
Dec 19

That kinda' reminds me of some disgusting human partners.

slightlv

(7,477 posts)
35. I'll bet Franklin's father is turning over in his grave!
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 08:55 PM
Dec 19

I have no love lost on any of the Grahams... especially Billy. But this is NOT what he taught, and for this being the legacy he left behind for his son to perpetuate is totally evil and a lie. Franklin will get his one of these days. Billy was all up into the GOP, but it took Franklin and Putin and MAGA/trump to really bring together the evil triumvirate.

And what a wonderful message for the Christmas season. God HATES you... get used to it. God doesn't mean love; god means war and total annihilation. Franklin Graham is right -- if you concentrate on the Old Testament. But JESUS is the New Testament; and it seems to be an entire section of the Bible of which Franklin Graham is totally ignorant. I might suggest he take his Bible... maybe even look into a different translation or two... and do some intense studying. Before he turns people away from Christianity now and forevermore. Most people do not want to be associated with a religion that spews hate.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,706 posts)
38. Do it in the name of heaven!
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 08:59 PM
Dec 19

"You' can justify in the end" - One Tin Soldier

?si=nrpOF_QeLFGCObbV


Commit genocide. Kill Men, women, children, even their animals then make sure you write into your "Scripture" that God ordered it.
Most of these "Christians" have no idea how scripture was written and selected.

not fooled

(6,611 posts)
39. Paging John Fugelsang
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 09:01 PM
Dec 19

to refute this blasphemous idiot. And bring up the New Covenant, which IIRC replaced all that Old Testament trash with the message of Jesus Christ. No, I'm not religious but Christ is a definite upgrade on the tribal war stuff in the Old Testament.

rubbersole

(11,028 posts)
40. Franklin, put the wine down and button your pants.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 09:10 PM
Dec 19

Cashing in on/ tarnishing daddy's name. Grifters don't fall far from the tree...

JohnnyRingo

(20,556 posts)
41. This is how the Christian Crusades started.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 09:11 PM
Dec 19

Let the soldiers know they're committing atrocities in the name of a spiteful God that leads them into battle.

Onward Christian soldiers,
Marching off to war.
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.

AZ8theist

(7,115 posts)
44. They can throw me in a Christian reeducation camp
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 09:18 PM
Dec 19

And I will NEVER accept this level of bullshit.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

OAITW r.2.0

(31,621 posts)
53. On edit, Falwell, Franklin....I get my Christian grifters confused.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 09:58 PM
Dec 19

Last edited Sat Dec 20, 2025, 06:46 PM - Edit history (1)

The dude pimps his wife out so he can pleasure himself while she's cucking him.

Republicans apparently approve of this.

Dulcinea

(9,731 posts)
63. That was Jerry Falwell Jr.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 11:49 PM
Dec 19

Mrs. Falwell would do the nasty with the pool boy while Jerry Jr. watched from the corner.

Martin68

(27,162 posts)
52. Conservatives have gone entirely Old Testament. Jesus doesn't figure in their religion at all.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 09:54 PM
Dec 19

It's the angry, spiteful, vengeful Jehovah all the way. Christmas is entirely New Testament. They've lost the plot.

FarPoint

(14,571 posts)
54. He is soooooo messed up....
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 10:20 PM
Dec 19



Does Frankie not realize, the Bible was written by self serving men; kind of like him, who used their written Scripture to fit what makes them in control and powerful?

Bread and Circuses

(1,654 posts)
55. Wrong ! 1 Samuel 15:3 . This is NOT Christianity . It's ths OLD Covenant . ...
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 10:20 PM
Dec 19

Evangelicals always quote the OLD Testament or sources in the Torah and other related.


So, Franklin Graham is a Lying, NON - Christian. I don’t know what spirituality he is . But…


NOT a followers of Christ.

The Beatitudes are the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:1-10). Jesus teaches us that if we live according to the Beatitudes, we will live a happy Christian life

https://s3staging.loyolapress.com/catholic-resources/scripture-and-tradition/catholic-basics/catholic-beliefs-and-practices/the-beatitudes/


Bluetus

(2,358 posts)
57. Graham is right, if you ignore the fact that OT and NT are almost exact opposites
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 10:30 PM
Dec 19

All the gay-hating stuff is in the OT. All the "God being a dick" stuff is in the OT. There is virtually none of that in the Jesus half of the bible.

It never made any sense for these two things to be squeezed together.

patphil

(8,746 posts)
65. My spiritual teacher said that the only part of the Old Testament we should pay attention to is the 1st 5 books.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 11:56 PM
Dec 19

They are attributed to Moses.
He said that the rest is simply commentary.
And, if you're either a Catholic or Christian you should be following the New Testament.

PatrickforB

(15,356 posts)
59. Franklin Graham is misguided and has besmirched the Christian faith.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 11:02 PM
Dec 19

Many of these Evangelical pastors have been seduced by political power and wealth. But as the bible says, one cannot serve God and mammon both. Seems like Franklin chose unwisely.

angrychair

(11,772 posts)
60. Sorry but that's fucking demented
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 11:10 PM
Dec 19

He is trying to imply a holy war in which "god" hates the enemies of the United States and our military are holy warriors of hate and war for Jesus.

patphil

(8,746 posts)
64. God doesn't hate. Humans hate and transfer that hate to God to justify it.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 11:51 PM
Dec 19

God doesn't make war. Humans make war and transfer such actions to God to make it OK.
God isn't cruel or vindictive, humans are.
It's very easy for someone to put their words in God's mouth, and pretend that their words are God's words.
It's easy to pretend that God has all the same failings as humanity. Actually, God couldn't be God and express any hateful, violent actions or calls to action.
The old testament is filled with this stuff. It's not the word of God.
The only time war is OK is when it's in defense of family, or nation.

bmichaelh

(1,094 posts)
68. Wilfred Owen
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 12:23 AM
Dec 20

Some of Wilfred Owen's poetry contrasts Christ with church and political leaders in England, like in this poem.
It was also set by Benjamin Britten in his War Requiem.
Unfortunately, he was killed in action a week before the WW I armistice.

At A Calvary Near The Ancre

One ever hangs where shelled roads part.
In this war He too lost a limb,
But His disciples hide apart;
And now the Soldiers bear with Him.

Near Golgotha strolls many a priest,
And in their faces there is pride
That they were flesh-marked by the Beast
By whom the gentle Christ's denied

The scribes on all the people shove
And bawl allegiance to the state,
But they who love the greater love
Lay down their life; they do not hate.

DFW

(59,783 posts)
69. All these "religious" people making money off of other "believers."
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 12:33 AM
Dec 20

These religious “leaders” always know EXACTLY what some all-powerful, never visible, never audible (except by them, of course) deity wants, and apparently ONLY they know. Their god must have more heads than a Hindu icon, because they all know that he wants something different.

ancianita

(43,025 posts)
76. It is pure human error for him to quote what Saul did as the will of God.Love is God's other name.The creator of spirit
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 06:27 AM
Dec 20

Last edited Sun Dec 21, 2025, 12:05 AM - Edit history (1)

and matter of all the universes in space and time loves all of His creation.

Graham has no authority to go by but Jesus. But he doesn't. As is the legacy of that protesting denomination, he refuses, and like his church's human founder, carries forward error.
That humanity can't spread peace without use of force has been its major ongoing problem. And Graham continues that error to justify the U.S. military's killing by claiming that God hates.

MayReasonRule

(4,021 posts)
78. The Abrahamic Blood Cults Of YAHWEH, Islam And 'Christ' Are The Single Most Destructive Societal Construct
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 06:51 AM
Dec 20

They have inflicted greater suffering, death and destruction upon humanity than any other single societal construct.

Reason is 'god'.
Doubt is our 'savior'.

FFS

sinkingfeeling

(57,357 posts)
79. Then ypur religion is NOT Christianity. You believe in the god of the Old Testament and
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 06:56 AM
Dec 20

ignore the teachings of Christ.

JT45242

(3,867 posts)
80. Weird sermon for advent week of Love
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 07:02 AM
Dec 20

Lectionary readings for the week with brief descriptions

Isaiah 7 the prophecy of virgin birth
Psalm 80 save us again line you did out of Egypt
Matthew 1:18 angel coming to Joseph part of advent story
Romans 1...intro that puts Jesus as fulfillment of prophesy

You gotta be some kind of special hateful intolerant bigot to get to that sermon from first the point of advent and second that list of scripture.

Joy, hope, love and peace are the the typical four weeks of advent.

Hypocritical asshat.

COL Mustard

(8,017 posts)
82. Dammit. I missed that.
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 07:48 AM
Dec 20

I was busy inventorying the laundry facility in the basement. Gotta keep track of all them coat hangers, ya know!

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