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BumRushDaShow

(167,134 posts)
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 08:53 PM Jan 22

Veterans stunned by VA plans to build hundreds of 8-by-8ft sheds in California for ex-service members to live in

Source: msn/The Independent

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The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs has sparked anger after unveiling plans to build hundreds of “tiny homes”, which campaigners said were little more than sheds, on its West Los Angeles campus. The move, which comes after veterans successfully sued the agency to force major housing expansion on the site, is designed to solve homelessness among ex service members, but has been criticized as only offering them temporary accommodation.

VA officials revealed the proposal during a court hearing this week, describing the small structures as an initial step toward complying with a federal order requiring the agency to create thousands of new temporary and permanent housing units for unhoused veterans. But the veterans behind the lawsuit say the plan falls far short of what they intended.

One of their attorneys, Roman Silberfeld, told the court there was a “disconnect” between what the plaintiffs had asked for and what the VA is now proposing, noting that “they talk about the sheds. We never talked about that,” the LA Times reports. The VA has already placed more than 100 of the 8‑by‑8‑foot units on the campus to house veterans who had been living in a nearby encampment.

But these structures, increasingly used as quick‑build homelessness shelters, have long drawn criticism for being cramped, hard to navigate for people with mobility issues, and unsuitable for long‑term stays. VA counsel Robert Fleck told the court the VA has sufficient funds to complete the temporary housing by the end of this year, but not the permanent housing, The Times added.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-nz/society-culture-and-history/social-issues/veterans-stunned-by-va-plan-for-hundreds-of-tiny-sheds-in-california/ar-AA1UKM9v



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Veterans stunned by VA plans to build hundreds of 8-by-8ft sheds in California for ex-service members to live in (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 22 OP
But GQP Traildogbob Jan 22 #1
I lived in a garden shed about that size for almost a year... hunter Jan 22 #2
I'll just say this vereran is not stunned.. Permanut Jan 22 #3
"Thank you for your service"??????? BarbD Jan 22 #4
8' x 8' Bayard Jan 22 #5
Four square feet larger than a mandated minimum size prison cell Brother Buzz Jan 23 #32
Nothing is too good for the troops AverageOldGuy Jan 22 #6
How many of those "sheds" would fit in rumps golden ballroom I wonder. Ziggysmom Jan 22 #7
Replacing the phrase... Godot51 Jan 23 #8
8' X 8' is only 16sq ft. larger than your average prison cell. LudwigPastorius Jan 23 #9
Is it just me ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Jan 23 #10
Never rains? BidenRocks Jan 23 #11
It pours!! BumRushDaShow Jan 23 #13
It was certainly pouring here all day today! SunSeeker Jan 23 #14
Be glad that it's not snow/ice/freezing rain BumRushDaShow Jan 23 #16
Hey, there's a reason I'm paying the money it takes to live here. SunSeeker Jan 23 #17
Just have to look out BumRushDaShow Jan 23 #18
This VA property is in Brentwood, where the average home costs $2.8 million. SunSeeker Jan 23 #12
Screenshot from LA Times FakeNoose Jan 23 #15
This property abuts Wilshire Boulevard, a major Los Angeles artery with plenty of public busses stopping there. SunSeeker Jan 23 #19
They are meant as temp housing till they can get something better womanofthehills Jan 23 #24
this reminds me of the crappy ass "houses' fema build in New Orleans after Katrina Javaman Jan 23 #20
Blackstone will try to buy the storage shed market next...they won't rest until they own every rentable property in US. pecosbob Jan 23 #21
Where I grew up those were called shacks, or outhouses. twodogsbarking Jan 23 #22
All our moneys belong to ICE. travelingthrulife Jan 23 #23
I'm of 2 minds about tiny houses. maxsolomon Jan 23 #25
"...frankly, it's shocking that a fed agency is doing ANYTHING to address the crisis" LudwigPastorius Jan 23 #30
Service members give their everything..sometimes their lives and we should give them everything they need Deuxcents Jan 23 #26
Ok, ACTIVE veterans, bluestarone Jan 23 #27
I am stunned that there is little if any news about Trump saying that the ally troops Bev54 Jan 23 #28
"I am stunned that there is little if any news about Trump saying that the ally troops" BumRushDaShow Jan 23 #29
Yes that is my point, this story is about the reaction in the UK where is the reaction in the US? Bev54 Jan 23 #31
"where is the reaction in the US?" BumRushDaShow Jan 23 #33
8 x 8 is too fucking small Mysterian Jan 23 #34
Sounds like a small RV size. BumRushDaShow Jan 23 #35
12 x 12 is a small room. Mysterian Jan 23 #36
Realistically yes BumRushDaShow Jan 23 #37
That is a capsule hotel, not intended for extended stays Mysterian Jan 23 #38
Not confusing the issue BumRushDaShow Jan 23 #39
I don't wear panties Mysterian Jan 23 #40
Just FYI ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Jan 25 #41

hunter

(40,476 posts)
2. I lived in a garden shed about that size for almost a year...
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 09:19 PM
Jan 22

... in the backyard of a Viet Nam war veteran.

It was a step up from living in my broken down car in a church parking lot.

Having a secure place to stay beats living on the streets.

Of course with all the money we spend on useless and absurdly costly military stuff it's quite obvious we have the money to house homeless veterans in comfortable apartments. Collectively, we just don't want to.

Nobody should be homeless in this wealthy nation, not veterans, not the unemployable, not the mentally ill, not people who are addicted to drugs and alcohol... nobody.

Permanut

(8,131 posts)
3. I'll just say this vereran is not stunned..
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 09:20 PM
Jan 22

Ever since Cadet Bonespurs disrespected the Kahn family, his treatment of vets and the military has been entirely predictable.

LudwigPastorius

(14,378 posts)
9. 8' X 8' is only 16sq ft. larger than your average prison cell.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 12:39 AM
Jan 23

I guess that's all the "suckers and losers" warrant for their devotion to the country and constitution.

BumRushDaShow

(167,134 posts)
16. Be glad that it's not snow/ice/freezing rain
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:53 AM
Jan 23

that we are about to get hit with here in the Philly area, and states north and south!!!

SunSeeker

(57,885 posts)
17. Hey, there's a reason I'm paying the money it takes to live here.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:57 AM
Jan 23

I am a complete wuss when it comes to cold weather. It was 60 and rainy all day, and that had me shivering.

I need my warm sunshine and balmy sea breeze.

BumRushDaShow

(167,134 posts)
18. Just have to look out
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 05:08 AM
Jan 23

for those Santa Anas and wildfires (all that rain is gonna spur a lot of fresh undergrowth that could burn). But it's still miraculous that for the first time in years, no county in the state is in a drought for the first time in a couple decades - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143596177

SunSeeker

(57,885 posts)
12. This VA property is in Brentwood, where the average home costs $2.8 million.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 03:45 AM
Jan 23

I bet they could rent out those sheds for $2k/month.

What's unforgivable is that extremely valuable property was donated in 1888 to house homeless vets, and despite that legally binding condition on the conveyance of the property to the government, for about the last 100 years it's been used for everything but that, thanks to the rich NIMBY's in the surrounding neighborhoods, and the VA's neglect of veterans.

There should be decent furnished high-rise apartments built for vets on that property that allow them to live like regular human beings, not shed dwellers.

FakeNoose

(40,719 posts)
15. Screenshot from LA Times
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:49 AM
Jan 23


How is this even manageable? Nobody has room for anything in these little huts. Where do they park their cars? Oh I see, they don't have cars. So where is the public transportation? How do handicapped veterans in wheelchairs maneuver in these tiny rooms? What if someone has to call an ambulance? What if there's a fire, flood or some other emergency?

We have questions ....

SunSeeker

(57,885 posts)
19. This property abuts Wilshire Boulevard, a major Los Angeles artery with plenty of public busses stopping there.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 05:17 AM
Jan 23

And there is a huge VA Hospital & Medical Center on site, at 11301 Wilshire Boulevard, just steps from the tiny homes, and it has mental health services:



https://www.va.gov/greater-los-angeles-health-care/locations/west-los-angeles-va-medical-center/

The location is perfect for homeless vet housing. But the housing should be decent furnished high rise apartments, not sheds. The sheds are not the best use of that valuable land, and not how a human being should live. They'd get a lot more vets housed, and with a lot more dignity, if they built a couple high rise apartment buildings.

These sheds are only 64 square feet. A typical bachelor/studio apartment is 300 to 600 square feet.

womanofthehills

(10,749 posts)
24. They are meant as temp housing till they can get something better
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 12:09 PM
Jan 23

Or get on their feet. They have communal bathrooms and some kitchen availability but mostly their food is provided for them.

Yrs ago, I had friends we visited who lived in a yert community in the Grand Teton area. Everyone had their own yert but communal bathrooms and kitchens. However, yurts can be huge and charming.

Javaman

(65,415 posts)
20. this reminds me of the crappy ass "houses' fema build in New Orleans after Katrina
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 06:33 AM
Jan 23

the repukes are inept at virtually everything.

maxsolomon

(38,393 posts)
25. I'm of 2 minds about tiny houses.
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 12:24 PM
Jan 23

1, they're an immediate way to bring homeless individuals inside into a dry, conditioned space. they offer privacy, both visual and acoustic, and a place to keep belongings. they can be mass-produced.

but 2, they're a band aid on a chest wound. there needs to be a massive supportive housing construction effort to address the national homeless crisis, but this nation is absolutely unwilling to do that.

frankly, it's shocking that a fed agency is doing ANYTHING to address the crisis.

Deuxcents

(25,999 posts)
26. Service members give their everything..sometimes their lives and we should give them everything they need
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 12:42 PM
Jan 23

Not a Cracker Jack shack or a token medical checkup. They deserve and should receive our respect by showing gratitude because that’s the least we should do by doing much better than this half hearted idea

Bev54

(13,321 posts)
28. I am stunned that there is little if any news about Trump saying that the ally troops
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 01:26 PM
Jan 23

did very little in Afghanistan and that they stayed back from the front lines. This has enraged people in the NATO countries that sent their soldiers and lost many and many more came back injured often with life altering injuries.

Many say it is not just an insult they cannot even describe what they are feeling after hearing him.

Where are the US Generals and politicians to speak up after this further buffoonery that has replaced the shaking of heads to complete and utter outrage for the US, around the world, including in Canada.

Bev54

(13,321 posts)
31. Yes that is my point, this story is about the reaction in the UK where is the reaction in the US?
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 01:58 PM
Jan 23

Apologies is not going to do it, even if Trump did (and we know he never ever will). People are outraged and it is one more thing to ever increase the divide. He has destroyed so much at every level, it will not come back after he is gone.

BumRushDaShow

(167,134 posts)
33. "where is the reaction in the US?"
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 02:29 PM
Jan 23

I know The Guardian had updated their story right before I posted it and I posted the latest at the time (and they are a UK publication). But further down near the bottom is this -

The US remains the only country to have invoked article 5 of Nato’s collective security provision, activated after the 11 September terrorist attacks in 2001.

Trump has also faced criticism in the US. The former Nato supreme allied commander James Stavridis said hundreds of allied troops had died under his command on the frontlines in Afghanistan. “I honour their memory every single day,” said the retired US Navy admiral.

Nicholas Burns, a former US ambassador to China, described Trump’s remarks as “shameful”, adding: “We need our allies but are driving them away.”


I think the issue is more that 45 and the loon GOP's strategy of "flood the zone" and "move fast and break things", has meant a lot of important details for each of these stories, get pushed to the bottom of the priority for reporting but often bubbles up later once the dust clears.

Mysterian

(6,244 posts)
34. 8 x 8 is too fucking small
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 03:32 PM
Jan 23

Two sheets of plywood small. Make these fuckers 12 x 12 minimum and maybe I could support the idea.

BumRushDaShow

(167,134 posts)
37. Realistically yes
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 04:55 PM
Jan 23

But then Japan has all kinds of variations of this -



My issue is that there is little provision for "permanent" housing for them thanks to the endless obsession for building exhorbitant "McMansions", because like the huge SUVS, the builders claim the smaller homes are loss leaders for them, profit-wise.

Mysterian

(6,244 posts)
38. That is a capsule hotel, not intended for extended stays
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 05:28 PM
Jan 23

Why are you attempting to confuse the issue of veteran housing with an irrelevant post about capsule hotels?

BumRushDaShow

(167,134 posts)
39. Not confusing the issue
Fri Jan 23, 2026, 08:41 PM
Jan 23

but pointing out that there is more and more of a trend towards "tiny spaces" and "tiny homes". There is no need for a 4000 sqft monstrosity but obviously a need for a preferably "accessible" type smaller space that allows for self-sufficiency and doesn't require a lot of maintenance. They are trying to get something like that going here in Philly with manufactured (pre-fab) homes -

Mayor Cherelle Parker unveils plans for modular housing factory in North Philadelphia

What they are doing with the vets is a disgrace but am just pointing out what is going on out there with respect to dwellings. No need to get the panties in a wad.

41. Just FYI ...
Sun Jan 25, 2026, 11:33 AM
Jan 25

BumRushDaShow posts more than half of the Late Breaking News posts. If you ignore him, you will miss out on a LOT of content.

Not saying you should or shouldn't. Just trying to help you make an informed decision.

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