1 dead, 1 injured in shooting near Detroit high school
Source: Detroit Free Press
A 70-year-old man was in police custody after allegedly shooting two teens during an attempted robbery, killing one and seriously injuring the other, Detroit police spokeswoman Sgt. Eren Stephens said Saturday.
The shooting occurred near Martin Luther King Jr. High School on Detroit’s east side around 7:15 p.m. Friday.
According to Stephens, the older man was allegedly approached by the two teens near Larned and Mt. Elliott, who announced a hold-up.
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Bet they didn't expect that as it was a gun free zone.
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MrScorpio
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michreject
(4,378 posts)This was in the middle 70's. It was getting rough then.
Haven't been down there in years.
Robb
(39,665 posts)michreject
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Jamaal510
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Archae
(47,245 posts)What was that elderly guy supposed to do?
michreject
(4,378 posts)He only had a few choices.
Robb
(39,665 posts)And one man's story of what happened -- the shooter.
michreject
(4,378 posts)When he was on school grounds with a gun.
bluedigger
(17,382 posts)All it says is that he was near a school.
raidert05
(185 posts)Apparently he has a concealed carry permit and is a reserve police officer....
Robb
(39,665 posts)He could be retired same exemptions I do beleive
snooper2
(30,151 posts)AGEISM!
Robb
(39,665 posts)Although more power to him if he's starting a new career. He might make Sergeant by 85. 
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL
michreject
(4,378 posts)This was after practice.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130202/METRO/302020380/Teen-killed-shooting-outside-Detroit-high-school?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
According to reports, a 70-year-old man believed to be the girls basketball coach, was walking out from the school around 7:15 p.m. when two male teens approached and announced a hold up.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130202/METRO/302020380#ixzz2JnUpujr0
bluedigger
(17,382 posts)Maybe his reserve status will be sufficient to allow him to be carrying at the school. The kids chose the wrong mark, in any case.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Clearly shows what happened. And there were two teen girls with the coach who witnessed it.
Robb
(39,665 posts)
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And now some kid is dead over a wallet and a few dollars.
I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the exact same thing, just pointing out that life very rarely has black and white situations.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Victim-blaming is always wrong
primavera
(5,191 posts)... robbery wasn't a death penalty offense.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)primavera
(5,191 posts)Please tell me people don't actually think this way.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)"What other option did the old man have?" I gave another option.
nick of time
(651 posts)We weren't there, we don't know if he felt they were going to shoot him anyway or not. I tend to think that he felt he had no other option but to defend himself.
The bottom is that a teen is dead, another teen is wounded and probably going to be charged with the murder of his accomplice.
primavera
(5,191 posts)True, we weren't there and it is certainly possible that the offending teens posed a bona fide threat to the guy. It's also entirely possible that he overreacted and used deadly force prematurely and without cause. Since the end result of his action is somebody dying, that action is appropriately subject to pretty intense scrutiny. If the facts are that he was legitimately in danger of his life and had no other choice, then great, that will come out in the investigation and he'll be exonerated. If, on the other hand, he was paranoid and lacked the ability to handle a gun responsibly and somebody needlessly died because of that, then he shouldn't be granted carte blanche because he was the victim of a petty offense.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)That is sufficient to warrant a deadly force response. It was caught on the school surveillance video, and witnessed by the two girls he was escorting.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Of course, those steeped in guns always support the guy who pulls his gun and kills someone over property. In fact, they tend to cheer them.
I tend to believe that as more people arm up, criminals will just shoot first to prevent cowboys from drawing their weapon.
Whatever, I'm glad the old man and two girls are OK. That's the most important thing.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)
tblue37
(68,087 posts)being harmed or killed--just for the lulz. The fact that they were willing to threaten him to rob him means that they did not feel constrained by law or by any concern for his well being. How could he be sure they would not do worse even if he gave them his wallet?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Shooting them was the prudent thing to do.
primavera
(5,191 posts)I always wonder how many of the shootings described by the shooters as legitimate use of lethal force for self defense were, in fact, necessary. Our default response seem to be to instantly accept at face value the report of the shooter, no questions asked. After all, we weren't there and we wouldn't want to "blame the victim." So, by this reasoning, 100% of self-defense shootings were absolutely necessary and prudent. Yet I would bet every penny I have that at least some of those shootings involved overreactions or even willful misinterpretations of intent on the part of the person "defending" him/herself. Where is the accountability for those acts?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Robbing people carries a real risk of early death; it is by definition a violent crime and people have an explicit right to use force to defend themselves against it.
...Yet I would bet every penny I have that at least some of those shootings involved overreactions or even willful misinterpretations of intent on the part of the person "defending" him/herself. Where is the accountability for those acts?
It is the duty of state and federal justice departments to determine whether or not sufficient evidence exists to challenge a claim of defensive use of deadly force. That's one of many professional services that we elect and pay them to deliver.
primavera
(5,191 posts)You weren't there anymore than I was. Even as I cannot know that the shooting wasn't justified, neither can you know that is was. I'm not saying that this particular shooting wasn't justified - I have no way of knowing whether it was or wasn't. My point is that it's dangerous to automatically accept at face value, no questions asked, any claim that a shooter appropriately acted in self defense. If we do, what is to prevent someone from deciding "Hey, I wanna go shoot me some niggers - I'll just say I felt threatened, so shooting them was self-defense"? Taking another human being's life is a very big deal. Every time it happens, we should be looking at that decision critically and impartially and asking ourselves whether it was a necessary action. When it was, so be it; when it wasn't, we shouldn't be instinctively circling the wagons defending such an action.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Of course questions should be asked, and it's not my job or yours to ask them. Even a legally and morally justified shooting has bad consequences including living with what you have done. RKBA proponents "get it."
I'll take the old man's word for it until I have a good reason not to. Maybe I'm identifying with him because I am also a senior citizen, and have been threatened by a "yoot" recently - someone much bigger and stronger than I am.
primavera
(5,191 posts)... to all of the eagerness in this thread to affirm the propriety of a death, the circumstances surrounding which we as yet know virtually nothing about. I just don't think it should be easy to claim a right to kill another human being. Yet, to go by the comments in this thread, the case is already closed, clear cut case of self defense, before the investigation has even started.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)
reACTIONary
(6,941 posts)...it happens all the time. Nobody gets killed, and eventually the cops catch the perps.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)
TheCowsCameHome
(40,270 posts)michreject
(4,378 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)It starts again.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...recursion.
nick of time
(651 posts)Unless other details come out, sounds like he may not be charged.
michreject
(4,378 posts)He was a basketball coach.
News is sketchy right now. The mother of the dead suspect was just on the TV saying the usual.
nick of time
(651 posts)It sounds like he even has a witness to what happened, if his story checks out, I'm betting that he won't even be charged.
Terrible that he has to go through this and also has to live with the fact that he had to take a life, but he must have felt in imminent danger for his life, and had no other choice.
So sad that a couple of teens felt they had to rob this man and now one is dead, which is tragic, and one is wounded and his life is forever changed.
formercia
(18,479 posts)since he was participating in a crime that cost the life of his associate.
nick of time
(651 posts)It definitely sounds like a righteous shooting.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)It was possibly a legally excusable homicide, not a bitchin' concert.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Thus the survivor can NOT be charged with Murder under Michigan law.
In my home state of Pennsylvania he would not be charged for we do NOT extend the Felony Murder charge to the death of an accomplice by a third party. On the other hand if this had occurred in California, the surviver would be guilty of felony murder for California does extend the Felony Murder rule to the death of an accomplice by a third party.
California also makes it Felony Murder if while on your way to do a felony, something falls off your truck which leads to an accident in which a person dies. Notice NOTHING to do with the Felony except the felon was on his way to do the felony.
Michigan, Maine, Ohio and Alaska do NOT have the felony Murder rule, the other 46 states do.
http://www.pewstates.org/projects/stateline/headlines/should-murder-accomplices-face-execution-85899387191
raidert05
(185 posts)
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)*shrug*
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Sigh.
ReRe
(12,164 posts)...on this case as it progresses. I guess if you carry, you have to take into account that if you're robbed, you have to get to the gun before they do, as they can turn the gun on you if they find it on you, and in this instance, on the two students he was walking to their car. I didn't read in any of the articles that the juveniles had guns themselves. Initially, I say he walks, especially if there were witnesses who can corroborate his story. I bet he feels terrible about it though. Thanks for posting the story, michreject.
tblue37
(68,087 posts)"Police sources say the coach was walking the two girls to their cars when two men allegedly approached and one pulled out a gun and grabbed him by his chain necklace <emphasis added>. The coach then pulled out his gun and shot both of them, according to sources."
Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/man-shot-near-martin-luther-king-jr-high-school-in-detroit#ixzz2JqIa04nA
I missed that fact.
Robb
(39,665 posts)"In custody" a full day after the shooting?
nick of time
(651 posts)just being held for questioning about the events. It wouldn't surprise me if he's at home now.
I predict that this will be ruled a justifiable homicide, there were at least 2 witness' if the story is correct, one of the teens reportedly pulled a gun and grabbed the coach's necklace.
The wounded teen will probably be charged with murder if the shooter's story checks out.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Response to michreject (Original post)
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slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)(snip)
(Robinson's) story is that two teens, one of them armed, tried to rip a necklace off him. Robinson also said he held fire until a teen trained his gun on one of the girls.
Robinson then drew his weapon and shot both teens. Michael Scott, 16, fell dead in the middle of Larned Street. The other teen was seriously wounded and taken to Detroit Receiving Hospital.
As of Saturday night, he was listed in very serious condition.
One problem is that, reportedly, no guns were found but Robinson’s.
Read More: http://www.examiner.com/article/questions-remain-about-detroit-high-school-coach-s-shooting-of-teens
Time will out, of course.
Socal31
(2,491 posts)That is going to be a problem for him.
You do not need to have a gun pointed at you in order to use one one someone. But you do need to be able to convey to a detective and prosecutor as to why you felt your life was threatened.
You can easily claim self defense as a 70yr old escorting 2 girls, if a group of stronger men somehow made him feel as if his life was in danger.
If there were no guns, and the girls say there were no guns, and they did not feel physically threatened even without a gun, then he will be spending the rest of his life behind bars.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Curiouser and curiouser.
DETROIT - A warrant package request has been submitted to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office for possible charges against a Detroit high school basketball coach who shot two teen robbers Friday night, killing one of them.
According to police, 70-year-old Ernest Robinson was walking two of the players on his girls team to their cars when the attackers came at them outside Detroit's Martin Luther King High School.
Two boys, ages 16 and 15, claimed they had a gun. Robinson struggled with the teens and then pulled out his legal, licensed firearm and shot them. Michael Scott, 16, was killed by the gunfire. His 15-year-old accomplice was injured....
(snip)
... No decision on the warrant request is expected until at least Wednesday, the Prosecutor's Office said.
Socal31
(2,491 posts)If the girl's testimony and/or evidence at the scene don't back up his testimony, the DA will charge in a heartbeat.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Police would not confirm to the Los Angeles Times whether Scott and the other unidentified teen, 15, had a gun or other weapon, citing an ongoing investigation.
WXYZ-TV further reported that "the coach is seen struggling with the teens and then when he is able to get some distance between himself and them, he pulls out his gun and fires at the teens, striking both of them."
SNIP
Lewis -- who referred to Robinson as a "victim" -- said the case had been passed along to Wayne County prosecutors to decide whether to prosecute the coach, and a spokesman for the prosecutor's office said the incident was under review.
Steve Wasko, a spokesman for the school system, said there had been no change in Robinson's status as a coach at the school.
More at link
Looks pretty clear cut to me.
valerief
(53,235 posts)this never would have happened.
For the 
-impaired
Dan
(4,927 posts)posting to this, have never been to Detroit...
Robb
(39,665 posts)(WXYZ) - There is a new development in the case of the 70-year-old high school basketball coach who allegedly shot two teens accused of trying to rob him.
Sources are telling 7 Action News that what appeared to be a clear-cut case of self-defense could be a case of excessive force....
(snip)
...The incident was captured on video, but—again—we’re hearing there are questions about what kind of weapons the teens were using and whether the coach used excessive force.
The prosecutor's office says they will not have a decision today.
Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/did-70-year-old-coach-use-excessive-force-in-mlk-high-school-shootings#ixzz2K4On9AWn
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...of weapons in a robbery situation. A credible threat of death or bodily injury is sufficient to justify defensive use of force even if the person making the threat is unarmed. An elderly man who confronted by two much younger men is certainly at a disadvantage unless he is well armed.
The prosecutor is absolutely right to investigate the incident thoroughly. If it turns out that there was no credible threat, the shooter's claim of self-defense should be challenged.
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,570 posts)... study the facts, the law, and the politics (in case she wants to run for mayor or governor).
After a few speeches in front of local news cameras, I'd bet there are no charges.
Reply #42 will be upheld.
If not, I'll buy Paczkis for the lounge next week.
http://www.americanpolishcenter.com/paczki-sale-paczki-day-monday-tuesday-february-11-12/paczki-day-2013/
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)
The enthusiasm "RKBA enthusiasts" and pro-NRA shills display in articles about people being shot is beyond morally callous. Even in a legitimate exercise of self-defense with a firearm - and this is far from having been shown to be a legitimate use of force - a certain sobriety and adult exercise of restraint should prevail in discussions about it.
None of that for our "pro gun progressives"*: there's giddy delight at the fact that someone has been shot and killed ("the young hoodlums chose poorly"; "I'll buy Paczkis for the lounge next week") that belies any decent regard for the solemn business of the taking of a human life, whether justified or not.
The non-stop pro-NRA shilling on DU from "RKBA enthusiasts" is one thing: phony as the pretense maintained to keep those posting privileges is, at least it's not celebrating, with the internet equivalent of huzzahs! and high-fives, the shooting and killing of another human being. That latter business, besides being morally repulsive, is quite another.
That mask inevitably slips once too often and for too long, however, and then there's a Meta post about it. And I'll be there to chime in my enthusiastic approval.
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Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)You are correct, Sir. Chances are that many a reasonable person would expect the two young men could put a life-threatening hurt on the elderly man, so in that light the elderly man using deadly force could be seen as justified.
Prayers for all involved.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Investigators reviewed video of the incident, according to one report, and observed the 15-year-old "running … toward the tennis court after the incident."
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130207/METRO01/302070377#ixzz2KERohP2X