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TexasTowelie

(127,339 posts)
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:36 PM Feb 2013

Republicans offer deal on American Indian courts

Source: AP

WASHINGTON — Several House Republicans on Wednesday proposed legislation on Native American courts that could lay the groundwork for a compromise on the stalled Violence Against Women Act.

The legislation gives tribal courts the authority to prosecute non-Indians accused of abusing partners on tribal lands.

The bill, introduced by Reps. Darrell Issa of California, Tom Cole of Oklahoma, and six other Republicans, would also allow defendants to request that their case be moved to a federal court if they felt their constitutional rights were being violated.

The House and Senate have been trying for the past year to renew and expand the 1994 act, credited with reducing domestic violence in the country, but tribal authority over domestic violence cases has been a major point of contention.

Read more: http://www.themonitor.com/news/us_news/article_ab4421f6-7bb1-11e2-8b3f-001a4bcf6878.html

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Republicans offer deal on American Indian courts (Original Post) TexasTowelie Feb 2013 OP
"... if they felt their constitutional rights were being violated." atreides1 Feb 2013 #1
Anybody have a link to the text of the bill... DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #2
I want to know what "request" actually means. Request to who? Tom Rinaldo Feb 2013 #5
Exactly. DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #7
The text of the bill (HR780) is not yet available, but will appear here... DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #6
Escape Clause blkbear Feb 2013 #3
Red people...get your colors right... Bandit Feb 2013 #4

atreides1

(16,799 posts)
1. "... if they felt their constitutional rights were being violated."
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:41 PM
Feb 2013

In other words the Republicans basically are providing an escape clause for non-Indians, based on how they feel!!!

And if federal law enforcement doesn't have the resources to bring half of the current cases to trial, then nothing has changed, because they still won't have the resources!

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
2. Anybody have a link to the text of the bill...
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:59 PM
Feb 2013

...I couldn't find a reference in any of the numerous articles or at http://www.house.gov/ since the house is not in session (still).

I would like to understand the actual language behind "allow defendants to request that their case be moved to a federal court if they felt their constitutional rights were being violated".

Sounds to me like the bill is a token, but worthless, gesture. I'd like to be proven wrong.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,187 posts)
5. I want to know what "request" actually means. Request to who?
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:48 PM
Feb 2013

If said person can request to the Native American Court that their trial be moved to a federal court, and that Native American Court gets to decide whether or not to honor that request based on the arguments made by the defendent etc. then I can accept this compromise If that is how it is worded it provides a good face saving opportunity for a few saner Republicans to climb down from the tree branch they have themselves out on. And though we are scoring political points with them being out there, it is important to get this legislation passed.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
7. Exactly.
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:42 PM
Feb 2013

I 'guess' that the defendant would have to file some sort of change of venue request...but where is that adjudicated?

From Wikipedia on the 6th Amendment:


Impartiality

The Sixth Amendment requires juries to be impartial. Impartiality has been interpreted as requiring individual jurors to be unbiased. At voir dire, each side may question potential jurors to determine any bias, and challenge them if the same is found; the court determines the validity of these challenges for cause. Defendants may not challenge a conviction because a challenge for cause was denied incorrectly if they had the opportunity to use peremptory challenges.

Venire of juries

Another factor in determining the impartiality of the jury is the nature of the panel, or venire, from which the jurors are selected. Venires must represent a fair cross-section of the community; the defendant may establish that the requirement was violated by showing that the allegedly excluded group is a "distinctive" one in the community, that the representation of such a group in venires is unreasonable and unfair in regard to the number of persons belonging to such a group, and that the under-representation is caused by a systematic exclusion in the selection process. Thus, in Taylor v. Louisiana, 419 U.S. 522 (1975), the Supreme Court invalidated a state law that exempted women who had not made a declaration of willingness to serve from jury service, while not doing the same for men.

Vicinage
Main article: Vicinage Clause

Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution requires defendants be tried by juries and in the state in which the crime was committed. The Sixth Amendment requires the jury to be selected from a judicial districts ascertained by statute. In Beavers v. Henkel, 194 U.S. 73 (1904), the Supreme Court ruled that the place where the offense is charged to have occurred determines a trial's location. Where multiple districts are alleged to have been locations of the crime, any of them may be chosen for the trial. In cases of offenses not committed in any state (for example, offenses committed at sea), the place of trial may be determined by the Congress
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DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
6. The text of the bill (HR780) is not yet available, but will appear here...
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:32 PM
Feb 2013

...at some point: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr780

The bill number and title is: H.R. 780: To authorize Indian tribes to exercise jurisdiction over crimes of domestic violence that occur in the Indian country of that tribe.

It was introduced and assigned to committee on February 15, 2013.

blkbear

(25 posts)
3. Escape Clause
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:45 PM
Feb 2013

Oh Noooo, we already have a black man in our white house, now they want brown people to prosecute our white rapists.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
4. Red people...get your colors right...
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:01 PM
Feb 2013

But yes I think you are spot on. It is all racial...

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