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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:09 AM Mar 2013

Coroner's office says lion escaped cage to attack woman

Source: KOMO News

DUNLAP, Calif. (AP) - A lion that killed a woman at a privately owned Central California zoo escaped from a feeding cage and attacked while she was cleaning his enclosure, authorities said Thursday. Fresno County Coroner David Hadden said Dianna Hanson, a 24-year-old intern described by her father as a "fearless" lover of big cats, died instantly when the 5-year-old lion broke her neck.

Hanson, from Brier, Wash., had been working for two months as an intern at Cat Haven, a 100-acre exotic zoo east of Fresno. The large enclosure where Hanson was killed includes a smaller cage where animals can be confined for feeding or when the large space is being cleaned. The lion known as Cous Cous somehow managed to open the gate, said Hadden, who was briefed by investigators.

"The lion had been fed, the young woman was cleaning the large enclosure, and the lion was in the small cage. The gate of the cage was partially open, which allowed the lion to lift it up with his paw," said Hadden. "He ran at the young lady."

In a letter posted to family and friends, the woman who had graduated in 2011 from Western Washington University with a bachelor's degree in ecology, evolution and biology talked about falling in love with exotic cats. After meeting a Washington couple with four tigers, she was hooked. "For the last two and a half years I have been learning how to care for these animals and come next February, my father has given me a plane ticket" to Kenya, she enthusiastically wrote, adding later: "As my mother can tell you, I have had the goals of working with big cats since she adopted a tiger in my name when I was 7. I'm getting there."


Read more: http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Coroners-office-says-lion-escaped-cage-to-attack-196222211.html



I just wanted to post this update after I read the initial thread in Breaking News yesteday. Some of the comments were awful and insensitive, saying this young woman deserved the Darwin award, calling her stupid, etc.

It would appear the incident was not her fault.

I was upset about the comments because my daughter is in the same science program at the same university where this young woman just graduated. So, for me, I can't imagine the pain the family must feel, knowing their daughter was interested in making a difference in the world by focusing on a career based on wildlife conservation.

The story is incredibly tragic--for both the young woman's familly and for the facility, which put down the 5-year-old lion.
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Coroner's office says lion escaped cage to attack woman (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Mar 2013 OP
This was clearly an accident-nothing stupid or diabolical. Greybnk48 Mar 2013 #1
Vile disgusting freepers fitman Mar 2013 #24
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #27
It Was An Accident That Should Not Have Happened DallasNE Mar 2013 #45
My first guess was that it was something like this. FourScore Mar 2013 #2
something as simple as leaving a gate not secure. Sunlei Mar 2013 #3
This article says she was talking on her cell phone as it happened Baclava Mar 2013 #4
And how are judgmental comments helpful in the face of this tragedy? pnwmom Mar 2013 #5
still sounds too distracted to me - 'Seconds from disaster' Baclava Mar 2013 #6
So you're operating under the illusion that a person can outrun a lion? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #9
I guess we'll never know how things could have turned out differently Baclava Mar 2013 #10
No, shit just happens. jeff47 Mar 2013 #11
depends on how close she was to her exit - maybe her back was turned to the lion Baclava Mar 2013 #12
So she runs for the gate, and then the lion easily shoves its way through when she tries to close it jeff47 Mar 2013 #13
Full grown lions are dangerous, mkay? Baclava Mar 2013 #16
So you think calling her dumb is not blaming her? jeff47 Mar 2013 #17
Doesn't really matter what I think - she's dead - one swat from a paw Baclava Mar 2013 #18
So why dance on her grave? jeff47 Mar 2013 #19
sounds like you're adding your own prejudices there, sport Baclava Mar 2013 #22
Hey, I'm not the one calling her dumb. jeff47 Mar 2013 #25
I didn't call her dumb - that's you projecting Baclava Mar 2013 #28
Wow, that's a really pathetic attempt at weaseling out of it. jeff47 Mar 2013 #29
your bullying will get you nowhere with me Baclava Mar 2013 #32
Recounting your own words is bullying? jeff47 Mar 2013 #36
I'm just trying to get an idea why she was killed, attacking others for their thoughts is your job Baclava Mar 2013 #37
You said, "How is that not dumb?" A callous and snarky reaction, IMO. n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #41
That's the great thing about open exchange of ideas! tabasco Mar 2013 #48
She was using a walkie-talkie provided by the facility tabasco Mar 2013 #52
I find you line of argument pathetic and cruel. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #15
Life is cruel Baclava Mar 2013 #20
For you... tabasco Mar 2013 #49
I think fear somethingshiny Mar 2013 #50
Very well put. And welcome to DU. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #51
No, but bitchkitty Mar 2013 #31
or maybe the LION just wanted to play - like a big kitty cat? Baclava Mar 2013 #35
are you suggesting she could've fended off the attack if not on her phone? frylock Mar 2013 #38
I don't think she should have been in there at all if it wasn't safe. Baclava Mar 2013 #40
it sounds like someone was careless in ensuring that the feeding cage was properly latched.. frylock Mar 2013 #44
Remind me again why we need to cage big cats at all. Not you, OPer, but anyone. nt valerief Mar 2013 #7
Well, the alternative would be to euthanize the cats in question. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #14
But why are they there in the first place? Leave them in the wild to begin with. valerief Mar 2013 #21
A lot of them are born in captivity. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #23
"But why are they there in the first place? Leave them in the wild to begin with." fitman Mar 2013 #26
It would be best if they had they're own environment, if we could keep those areas safe CTyankee Mar 2013 #46
It was an unfortunate accident. Beacool Mar 2013 #8
I'm with you Mrs Overall. savalez Mar 2013 #30
R.I.P. to them both: Ms. Hanson and Cous Cous Auggie Mar 2013 #33
Accidents happen unfortunately. hamsterjill Mar 2013 #34
I think "Darwin Award" comments should be a TOS violation. It's creepy the lack of empathy people Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #39
Some people do deserve it, but I agree that it gets tossed around too freely. Xithras Mar 2013 #43
shes dead MFM008 Mar 2013 #42
Agreed. Let's put this subject to rest. n/t RebelOne Mar 2013 #47

Greybnk48

(10,717 posts)
1. This was clearly an accident-nothing stupid or diabolical.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:21 AM
Mar 2013

I hate it when people react to accidents this way where there must be a villain SOMEWHERE.

I feel sad for the young lady and her family and friends, and that the lion's life had to be ended for doing what comes naturally. A sad accident.

 

fitman

(482 posts)
24. Vile disgusting freepers
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:41 PM
Mar 2013

are laughing at this "libtards" death... Never saw so many disgusting comments about this poor woman. Comments like "libtard..the other white meat"



http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2994766/posts?page=51

Response to Greybnk48 (Reply #1)

DallasNE

(8,001 posts)
45. It Was An Accident That Should Not Have Happened
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:02 PM
Mar 2013

Someone was careless in not securing the gate on the cage. If it was secure then the lion could not have managed to open it and attack this young woman so someone needs to answer for this carelessness.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
2. My first guess was that it was something like this.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:22 AM
Mar 2013

My heart goes out to her family and to her boyfriend who watched her get mauled.

Thank you for posting.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
3. something as simple as leaving a gate not secure.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:46 AM
Mar 2013

Volunteers should not be left alone with that critical responsibility.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
4. This article says she was talking on her cell phone as it happened
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:50 AM
Mar 2013

Distracted and talking on your cell while in a lion's cage? How is that not dumb?



"Hanson was talking with a co-worker on a cellphone in the moments before she was killed, the coroner said. The co-worker became concerned when the conversation ended abruptly and Hanson failed to call back. The co-worker then called authorities when she went to check on Hanson"


http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20130307/NEWS/130309962/updated-8212-snohomish-county-woman-killed-by-lion-was-on

pnwmom

(110,254 posts)
5. And how are judgmental comments helpful in the face of this tragedy?
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:56 AM
Mar 2013

The point about the cell phone is fine. But you didn't have to add the scornful comment afterwards. How do you know she wasn't supposed to be talking to the co-worker on the phone? The phone going dead was why they sent someone to check on her.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
6. still sounds too distracted to me - 'Seconds from disaster'
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:07 PM
Mar 2013

it's usually a chain of events that leads to accidents

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
10. I guess we'll never know how things could have turned out differently
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:34 PM
Mar 2013

shit happens for a reason

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
11. No, shit just happens.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:39 PM
Mar 2013

Seriously, I want to hear your scenario where the woman not being on the cell phone would make a difference. She hears the cage open and then.........?

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
12. depends on how close she was to her exit - maybe her back was turned to the lion
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:43 PM
Mar 2013

who knows if she could have escaped if she wasn't on the phone

you weren't there and neither was I, the coroner mentioned it, so maybe there's something to it


jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. So she runs for the gate, and then the lion easily shoves its way through when she tries to close it
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:45 PM
Mar 2013
you weren't there and neither was I

Yet you felt it was reasonable to blame the intern for being distracted by her cell phone.
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
16. Full grown lions are dangerous, mkay?
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:08 PM
Mar 2013

One factor could have been changed and the outcome might have been different, so the big cat got the jump on her for whatever reason, and that was that.

I'm not "blaming" her for anything, it sucks her and the lion were killed, but I wouldn't be handling venomous snakes while talking on the phone either. But that's just me.







jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. So you think calling her dumb is not blaming her?
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:14 PM
Mar 2013

You have an odd definition of "blame".

One factor could have been changed and the outcome might have been different

Yet you've been unable to explain any reasonable way it could have been different. Lions are much faster than people. They're also quite a bit stronger.

The only reasonable scenario in which this intern could have avoided the lion would be if she was standing at the gate to the enclosure with her hand on the gate, ready to slam it shut and lock it. Presumably, it's pretty hard to clean a large enclosure from that position.

Yet you call her dumb for talking on a cell phone, as if that was the deciding factor.
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
18. Doesn't really matter what I think - she's dead - one swat from a paw
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:22 PM
Mar 2013

From a risk assessment point of view, that's one job you can have.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
19. So why dance on her grave?
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:24 PM
Mar 2013

Your first reply up there screams "look at the dumb kid! She's so fixed to her cell phone that it killed her!"

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
22. sounds like you're adding your own prejudices there, sport
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:31 PM
Mar 2013

I'll say whatever the fuck I want to say. I just happened to read the whole report on what the coroner said - and he mentioned cellphone.

just like working around dangerous machinery, you have to be extra careful, that's all

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
25. Hey, I'm not the one calling her dumb.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:42 PM
Mar 2013

You are.

You are calling a dead woman dumb for doing something that had no effect on whether or not she lived or died. You might as well have been calling her dumb for her hairstyle. Or that the victim of a drunk driver should have worn a different color shirt.

I'll say whatever the fuck I want to say.

Not saying you can't. I'm saying you should live up to what you say instead of trying to weasel out of it.
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
28. I didn't call her dumb - that's you projecting
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:47 PM
Mar 2013

I said using a cellphone while working with lions is dumb - general semantics.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
29. Wow, that's a really pathetic attempt at weaseling out of it.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:51 PM
Mar 2013

Seriously, just embrace the fact that you called the victim of a lion attack dumb.

Or realize that calling her dumb is maybe just a tad wrong.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
36. Recounting your own words is bullying?
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:17 PM
Mar 2013

You have the most fascinating definitions for common words.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
37. I'm just trying to get an idea why she was killed, attacking others for their thoughts is your job
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:30 PM
Mar 2013

Whether Hanson was performing a function that placed her in danger is being investigated by Cal-OSHA, which also is trying to determine if employees were properly instructed about potential danger, as required.

"There should have been procedures that very clearly stated what the employees were required to do in order to not get killed," said agency spokesman Peter Melton, who added that documentation about the warning had not yet been provided by Cat Haven.

Dale Anderson said that he's the only person allowed in the enclosure when lions are present.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57573176/lion-killed-woman-as-she-was-cleaning-enclosure/

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
48. That's the great thing about open exchange of ideas!
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:01 PM
Mar 2013

People can display their assholery for all to see, and other can react accordingly.

Thanks!

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
52. She was using a walkie-talkie provided by the facility
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:00 AM
Mar 2013

The usual suspects, proclaiming their greater knowledge, always seem to be wrong.

somethingshiny

(74 posts)
50. I think fear
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:02 PM
Mar 2013

is what it's really about. Whenever someone blames a victim, or implies that their plight is due to stupidity, it's just thinly disguised fear. The person has to rationalize, "this could never happen to me", rather than face the fact that bad things can and do happen to people, often through no fault of their own. They always seem to know exactly what the person should have done...

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
31. No, but
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:56 PM
Mar 2013

see, if she hadn't been on the phone, she would have been able to point her finger at the lion and say "down, boy!" or grabbed a chair and a whip....

Sarcasm evident I hope. I feel so bad for this poor young lady and hope she died a painless death.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
35. or maybe the LION just wanted to play - like a big kitty cat?
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:12 PM
Mar 2013

When the attack occurred, Anderson said that he and two other Cat Haven workers had left to take a cheetah to exhibit at a local school. Hanson and another worker were left behind.

Whether Hanson was performing a function that placed her in danger is being investigated by Cal-OSHA, which also is trying to determine if employees were properly instructed about potential danger, as required.

"There should have been procedures that very clearly stated what the employees were required to do in order to not get killed," said agency spokesman Peter Melton, who added that documentation about the warning had not yet been provided by Cat Haven.

The owner of the zoo said Thursday that safety protocols were in place but he would not discuss them because they are a part of the law enforcement investigation.

Dale Anderson said that he's the only person allowed in the enclosure when lions are present.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57573176/lion-killed-woman-as-she-was-cleaning-enclosure/




frylock

(34,825 posts)
38. are you suggesting she could've fended off the attack if not on her phone?
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:36 PM
Mar 2013

or that she could've reacted in time to a lion that likely cleared the distance between he and the victim in one leap? or are you just one of those people that hates cell phones and all people that use them because you struggle to use one yourself?

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
40. I don't think she should have been in there at all if it wasn't safe.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:47 PM
Mar 2013

but then I'm not lion handler enough to know what is safe - phone, cage, procedures - all could have contributed to her death

frylock

(34,825 posts)
44. it sounds like someone was careless in ensuring that the feeding cage was properly latched..
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:52 PM
Mar 2013

whether she or someone else was responsible for that is something I have yet to read.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Well, the alternative would be to euthanize the cats in question.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:46 PM
Mar 2013

They're not going to be released into the wild.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
21. But why are they there in the first place? Leave them in the wild to begin with.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:30 PM
Mar 2013

Leave them some wild to be left in. Ban ownership here.

They're just too dangerous--like an angry teabagger with an arsenal.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. A lot of them are born in captivity.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:35 PM
Mar 2013

Moreover, lions in Africa and tigers in India are already faced with habitat shortage.

You can't just release lions and tigers into an area where they're not a native species.

 

fitman

(482 posts)
26. "But why are they there in the first place? Leave them in the wild to begin with."
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:45 PM
Mar 2013

It's good thing we have these preserves if not many of these animals would have been extinct long ago. These preserves breed them and protect them and send them to other preserves for a good genetic mix.

Would it be better if they were all in the wild running free? yes, but we live in a cruel world.

CTyankee

(68,151 posts)
46. It would be best if they had they're own environment, if we could keep those areas safe
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 05:36 PM
Mar 2013

from hunters. It is really unnatural to breed them in preserves. But I am not totally unsympathetic to their plight in the wild, either (don't know if they would have gone extinct, but I am not an expert on this). Of course, nature in the raw is pretty cruel due to all kinds of things including drought, extremes in weather, and the predatory instinct needed just to survive.

Beacool

(30,514 posts)
8. It was an unfortunate accident.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:17 PM
Mar 2013

People are always so quick to judge. Poor girl, may she rest in peace.

Good luck to your daughter in her studies.

Auggie

(33,117 posts)
33. R.I.P. to them both: Ms. Hanson and Cous Cous
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:58 PM
Mar 2013

Very unfortunate and very unnecessary deaths.

hamsterjill

(17,545 posts)
34. Accidents happen unfortunately.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:02 PM
Mar 2013

None of us are perfect. She may have secured that gate a gazillion times before the accident, and on this day tragically, something simply happened. She was doing what she loved, and that activity was a dangerous one.

That said, I find it sad that the facility chose to kill the lion. The lion was simply being the wild creature that she was. It does not bring back the dead young lady for the facility to have killed the lion.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
39. I think "Darwin Award" comments should be a TOS violation. It's creepy the lack of empathy people
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:38 PM
Mar 2013

who use that phrase exhibit.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
43. Some people do deserve it, but I agree that it gets tossed around too freely.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:46 PM
Mar 2013

I've seen many instances like this one, where someone will call a dead person a Darwin Award candidate, and it will later turn out that they weren't at fault for their deaths.

I have little empathy for truly stupid people who kill themselves doing truly stupid things, but there's no excuse for smearing the dead like that before we even know what the full story is. The original thread on her death was unnecessarily dark and cruel.

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