Police: 4 people shot, 1 fatally, in Coney Island
Source: AP via Yahoo
According to police, Brown knocked on the door of an apartment in the Gravesend Houses and was let in by a 62-year-old woman. Brown went into a back bedroom, shut the door and then fired shots, police said. A 24-year-old man was shot in the head.
Brown then came out of the room and shot the woman who had answered the door in the stomach.
A third man was shot in the head and killed. The fourth victim, a 40-year-old male, was grazed in the head by a gunshot and treated at the scene.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/police-4-people-shot-1-fatally-coney-island-214602774.html;_ylt=Am.Ak2xUZVfNCqhS4nizMIms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNrbTlrcmlmBG1pdANNZWdhdHJvbiBGUARwa2cDMGM3MWE1ZjAtZmEyNy0zYTllLTgzMDMtZTM4ZjNjMzVkN2JjBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNtZWdhdHJvbgR2ZXIDODAxZTYzNjMtOTM1My0xMWUyLWJmZmYtNzMyNDAxYTYxZDY5;_ylg=X3oDMTIzcXZhbGx0BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QDTjRVX2NvcmVhcGk-;_ylv=3
How many more Americans will be sacrificed to the gun Gods?
To all you people who oppose any type of national gun control: Go home and hug your guns this evening.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Disarm the criminals first.
Of course those victims could have just explained the to the perp that what he was doing was against the strict gun laws in place. That would have solved everything.
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)high powered rifle with tons of rounds, just a handgun with a very limited number of rounds.
One out of four dead very much better than 26 out of 26 dead.
bossy22
(3,547 posts)Cho did it with a common handgun- and he killed 32. The reason the death toll wasn't so much was because of where the shooting took place- in an apartment building. How many apartment buildings have 20 people in one room? not many.
So in essence, the reason it was so law was because there just wasn't as many people present.
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)effective at killing than an ordinary handgun?
Me either. So let's do it, since by your post, you have proven that you can't protect yourself better with a rifle - totally ineffective and not needed.
Now we're making some progress!
baldguy
(36,649 posts)To disarm the criminals we'll need to greatly reduce the number of weapons in general circulation. Universal background checks (and keeping that info on file), national registration, national licensing, federal felony status & heavy fines for misplacing, mishandling or allowing minors or other non-licensed people access to your weapons.
In short, force "responsible gun owners" to be the responsible gun owners that they aren't now.
Yo want people to be responsible, don't you?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Lotta that stuff in Brighton Beach I understand.
SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)AndyA
(16,993 posts)Of course those victims could have just explained the to the perp that what he was doing was against the strict gun laws in place. That would have solved everything.
There are other rights besides the Second Amendment. Like the right to live your life. Shouldn't life trump guns?
primavera
(5,191 posts)... we can't even do that. Here in Louisiana, judges just ruled that, because of the NRA-inspired, "Obama's Coming to Take Your Guns Away" state constitutional amendment further enshrining the RKBA, it's now unconstitutional to keep guns out of the hands of even violent offenders. As insane a state of affairs as that is, it's the predictable outcome of our misplaced worship of the alleged right to keep and bear arms.
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/03/new_orleans_judge_rules_statut.html#incart_river_default
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)The law is very specific about violent felons NOT being allowed guns:
The judge ruled on the letter of the law and the law was fairly specific about what felons were NOT allowed to own a gun, from the link:
"It is unlawful for any person who has been convicted of a crime of violence ... which is a felony or simple burglary, burglary of a pharmacy, burglary of an inhabited dwelling, unauthorized entry of an inhabited dwelling, felony illegal use of weapons or dangerous instrumentalities, manufacture or possession of a delayed action incendiary device, manufacture or possession of a bomb, or possession of a firearm while in the possession of or during the sale or distribution of a controlled dangerous substance, or any violation of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law which is a felony, or any crime which is defined as a sex offense ..., or any crime defined as an attempt to commit one of the above-enumerated offenses under the laws of this state..."
Burglary of a UNINHABITED dwelling (Caps mine) is not listed, neither are other non-violent felonies.
Without agreeing with the law, the question is: For a non-violent felon who has completed his sentence and is in theory rehabilitated, what rights should he be required to forfeit after his release? Or asked a different way, what rights does a non-violent felon get back after he has completed serving his sentence?
primavera
(5,191 posts)... you might want to try reading it again. The statute that you quote prohibiting felony ownership of guns is the one that was just struck down by the judge as unconstitutional in entirety in light of the NRA's new amendment to the Louisiana state constitution.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Paladin
(28,272 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Yet to see anyone on DU who believes in absolute zero control.
Lots of debate over which measures should be enacted but none who don't believe the fed has a role in regulating weapons.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And that's just the the most recent one that I could find in replies to me. Head over to the gungeon for more gun nut proposals to increase the number of guns in the hands of criminals & increase the level of gun violence.
Peter cotton
(380 posts)It does not call for repeal of the 1968 gun control act and it only calls for modification of the 1934 gun control act.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)I would advise you to slink back under your rock so as not to draw any more attention to yourself.
Peter cotton
(380 posts)Rest assured I will give your suggestion all the consideration that it is due.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Doesn't matter - it's really just one more in a series of indications that you have nothing serious to offer the discussion.
Peter cotton
(380 posts)Says the person who won't even acknowledge a simple mistake...
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL Don't have to be so "hard core"
primavera
(5,191 posts)One does hear the delicate flowers voice their willingness to embrace reasonable gun control, yet, no matter what gun control measure is being discussed, they invariably reject it as ineffective, violative of their rights, meaningless "feel good" legislation, etc. Apparently, receptiveness to reasonable gun control is mostly lip service, as they shoot down every suggestion and offer none of their own, other than, of course, for everyone to have more and deadlier guns.
The "solutions" they offer are no solutions at all.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Requiring all transfers of ownership to go thru licensed dealers.
Vigorous enforcement of existing laws was one of the 23 Executive orders.
Havn't heard complaints about those. As I recall Slackmaster, one of you delicate flowers I believe, has consistently for years advocated all firearms transfers be performed by licensed dealers. Along with the vigorous enforcement of Straw purchase laws covered in the EO's this past Jan.
primavera
(5,191 posts)And greatly do I respect slackmaster for his willingness to consider reasonable restrictions on gun transfers. Unhappily, slackmaster does not appear to be representative of the majority of the gun rights community.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,441 posts)A couple miles from me, there was a determined shooter with a semi-automatic firing away through glass windows and doors to the inside of a Chinese food take-out (and doing so from outside on the pavement), and it's all on surveillance video. The NY Daily News had the video embedded in their story (vs the local report site here that pointed to a youtube of it).
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/video-philly-gunman-traps-men-chinese-food-store-article-1.1295917?localLinksEnabled=false
Fortunately no one died but a couple of those targeted were shot and/or injured. Only reason why he fled was because he ran out of bullets in his clip. If he could re-load another clip, it seems obvious he would have and kept at it.
Sadly this is happening daily across all U.S. cities.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Peter cotton
(380 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Peter cotton
(380 posts)There are all sorts of things that could wipe out civilization; nuclear war, massive climate change...but violence on a personal level isn't going to cause our extinction.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Don't bet on it!
Peter cotton
(380 posts)If I win, great! And if I lose , there's no one around to collect.
Frankly, I don't see a down side...
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)barbaraj
(80 posts)enjoyed an evening walk with the kids. Now we look both ways before going to the car. It's worse than anything I could have imagined. Five killed by gunshots, six wounded , in one square block over the last five years. This is NOT the inner city.It's these crazed kids with guns, they all carry them . I can spot them, but I can't ask a cop to frisk them without "cause". It's a combo deal, take the guns, I agree, but give the police at least the power to frisk known felons, juvenile or not. Joining a gang needs to be a felony , if you know they kill, then you should be prosecuted as a willing accessory to their crimes. These people who live with a back forty, shooting targets and deer have a different perspective, they are ignorant of the real world being lived each day in or near a big city.
bossy22
(3,547 posts)any home of a known felon could be searched without warrant.
associating with known gang members is an automatic felony
assets of the family of known gang members allowed to be seized
Banning of any speech that promotes gang membership or speaks of gang membership in a positive light
Moving to a "guilty till proven innocent" system
The question is- how far are we willing to go?
barbaraj
(80 posts)handled exactly in the way other terrorists groups are handled, after all that is what they are.
valerief
(53,235 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)and for sure don't ever answer the door without your own self defense firearm in the other hand.
safety first...victim later.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And if you have a gun in your home, you're more likely to be killed with that gun by a member of your family than anyone else with any other weapon.
Fearful attitudes like yours, based on counter-factual arguments & extremist RW talking points are the cause of the on-going gun massacre in America.
Safety first? The first step in being safe is to NOT get a gun, and if you have one GET RID OF IT.
Victim later? If you have a gun it's too late - you're already a victim. You've succumbed to unreasoned fear & RW lies.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)We don't need the standard extremist RW NRA lies posted here.
as usual, you accuse people you disagree with you of promoting "extremist RW NRA lies".
Is that all you have? Unable to discuss things? Pathetic
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)What is it with you anti-gun people always equating intimacy and sex with firearms. That just plain weird. Maybe you weren't hugged enough as a child.