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LisaL
(47,411 posts)There were witnesses that heard the shots and called 911.
There was no gun on the woman.
People called in a tip about a car leaving with a person crouching in the back.
So you knew nothing.
PolitFreak
(236 posts)
COLGATE4
(14,886 posts)collect a nonexistent life insurance payment on a one-year old than to blast him in the face with a gun in broad daylight on a city street. That's real rocket science there.
1. There were witnesses that heard the shots and called 911. Yeah. HEARD!
2. There was no gun on the woman. When the cops arrived, there wasn't.
3. People called in a tip about a car leaving with a person crouching in the back. Ooooh, chilling! By that standard, I've killed dozens of people!
LisaL
(47,411 posts)From what comes from his family, the younger suspect admits to being there (although he appears to claim that he was forced to be there by the older one).
Seriously.
PolitFreak
(236 posts)Yep, sounds like an Upstanding White America to me! 
LisaL
(47,411 posts)It's probably some small amount, even if he had.
PolitFreak
(236 posts)What in the name of Whatever Gods Be are you smoking?
LisaL
(47,411 posts)It's very clear this woman personally didn't pull the trigger. She could be concerned about finances-she doesn't appear to be well off.
But that in itself doesn't prove a thing.
cntrfthrs
(252 posts)Does NOT make a person delusional, psychotic or prone to lies. Alcohol DOES, so if you don't smoke but do drink, don't be so quick to accuse stoners of alcoholic behavior...
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Poorer families tend to take out small life insurance policies (very cheap) on all the kids. One of the purposes is to pay for a funeral if necessary.
Many of these policies also have a convertible feature on adulthood, and some also build cash so the kid could get money in his or her early twenties if they cashed out.
I guess you've never been poor. There is no other way to pay for a funeral if you are poor. This is a very common practice.
I'm sorry if the gross materialism of poor people who want to bury their kids in nice clothes and a casket offends your peerless puritan virtue.
Redford
(373 posts)I was too busy trying to buy food, pay the rent, make my car payment. I never had any extra money laying around to buy life insurance on my kids. I had a hard enough time with the basics. Life insurance would have been a luxury.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)They get approached. They don't go out and buy it. It works.
sh8896a
(1 post)she cremated the baby a day later. So there was no funeral.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)in my area around $3,000-$4,000 for just a cremation and you seem to be confusing funeral and burial they are not the same thing
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"How soon do you think life insurance policy will send me a check?"
Precisely what I asked my father's carrier three days after he passed. Relevant information, you see.
However, I will readily empathize with any sub-literate idiot who harbors suspicion that I consciously and with malice aforethought brought about his death to cash in on a policy that covered little more than funeral expenses in order to live in excess and hedonism.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,455 posts)The next day we were in the funeral director's office - wondering/discussing when the life insurance would issue a check.
My partner just went through the same process with his step father and father - both within weeks of each other.
Should the police open an investigation?
Maybe we are serial killers.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)
Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)
octothorpe
(962 posts)It is the internet after all.
mainer
(12,547 posts)No one wanted to own up to that tip about the car with the crouched person.
alp227
(33,265 posts)Anonymous crime reporting exists nationwide.
premium
(3,731 posts)You were 100% wrong.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)on ya I've forgiven her, forgiven her enough to attempt to implicate her in a murder that is
JI7
(93,543 posts)by someone else.
horrible things can happen to bad people.
ReRe
(12,188 posts)... like the mother of the baby. I have known people whose minds immediately jump to money or life insurance when there's a death in the family. It's one of the most disgusting things in life I have ever seen. It wouldn't surprise me at all if she actually said it to her older daughter. And her daughter could have been the one that brought it up. But it doesn't make the mother guilty of murder. No "Susan Smith" here.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Journalism? Nah, fuck it. Idiocracy is a documentary from the future.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I see numerous errors in all kinds of articles. Bad journalism makes me want to scream.
randome
(34,845 posts)Bad writing from people who should know better gets to me, too.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I make little grammatical and spelling errors all of the time, but I'm not asking to be paid for my writing. If I can't trust a journalistic institution to get things like that right, why on earth should I trust the rest of the story? That's my real concern. A lack of attention to details which are easily made right makes me worry that there's a lack of attention to greater journalistic details.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)<<<<<<<< Former reporter/copy editor
deancr
(156 posts)The piece would have more credibility if they got the state right.
npk
(3,701 posts)Anyway the entire article reads like something you would find in a tabloid.
octothorpe
(962 posts)CANDO
(2,068 posts)And I'm sorry, something is not right with this entire thing.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,704 posts)I don't know what exactly about the case makes me wonder what is going on, but something is not quite right. I hope I'm wrong, but it's just a gut feeling that there is more going on than we know from the news stories.
RILib
(862 posts)Not making any judgment here, just saying that would be quite odd and have no idea if there was a policy.
mainer
(12,547 posts)that would be pretty suspicious.
LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)When my husband and I returned from China with our then 16 month old daughter, one of the first things I did through work was to get her on my health insurance and take out a small life insurance policy on her, just like I have on my husband. Having recently buried my mom, I knew what even a very inexpensive funeral cost and wanted to be sure that, in the unlikely event something happened to her, we could cover her funeral expenses. It was actually one small worry relieved.
Maeve
(43,455 posts)Envelopes with a little Gerber face looking out at you from the moment your name goes on a new parents' list somewhere. Shoot, I still get them and my "baby" turns 21 this year! Most are term insurance, as a way to save for the future and college expenses.
mainer
(12,547 posts)It pays when the kid dies. No college necessary.
When my kids were young and I got one of those offers for life insurance on my child, I was utterly disgusted and appalled by the idea of profiting from my child's death. For a woman who isn't well-off, paying premiums on a kid's life insurance policy would also have been financially stupid ... unless you're expecting your child to die.
Maeve
(43,455 posts)They are sold as cheap coverage, with a future--for the company, mostly. I haven't opened one for many years and my memory of the details is vague (never bought into it, either).
Here's the plan I was thinking of originally--had to look it up
https://www.gerberlife.com/gl/view/guide_products/college/index.jsp
mainer
(12,547 posts)which can be converted. And it's pretty expensive for a woman with low income.
Maeve
(43,455 posts)Even if they aren't planning for them to die. I'm seeing rushes to judgement both against the accused and against the mother. I'm content to wait for more evidence.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)For poorer people, this is a very common practice. The money will be used to pay for funeral expenses if the child dies. Some of them are convertible on adulthood and some build cash value.
But these are mostly VERY SMALL policies. Used for final expenses.
Ednahilda
(195 posts)And we actually did open life insurance policies for our kids when they were very small. The policies were very inexpensive and I think the pay-out was about $6,000, enough for a cheap funeral - at least at the time. When the kids got to be adults, we cancelled the policies, but when our kids were little, paying for any kind of a funeral would have been a financial strain. By the way, when small children die it's usually in non-suspicious ways. A dear friend lost her 11 month old to SIDS and her parents and in-laws paid for the funeral, because she and her husband had no money. Maybe they should have had one of these little policies.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)It's sold as "protection" for the child. They have two plans sold for covering children: The Gerber Life College Plan - "College savings + life insurance in one easy plan"; "The Grow-Up® Plan is a whole life insurance policy that protects your child while starting a nest egg for the future." http://www.gerberlife.com/
They sell their policies to people with toddlers:
Gerber has been working for years to convince parents that their policies are a sound investment, so it's not surprising that a parent might have paid for a policy, Gerber or other.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...for me - That was a Whole Life policy which she turned over to me when I finished school. I cashed it in.
The point is to be able to cover funeral and burial expenses in the event the child dies young.
ETA Insurance companies aggressively market life insurance policies to new parents, both for the parents and the children.
mainer
(12,547 posts)Here's what one life insurance agent says:
"Life insurance child abuse?
Bob MacDonald is chairman of the board of Minneapolis-based Allianz Life of North America, and has worked in the insurance industry for 40 years. He thinks selling life insurance for children is as contemptible as tobacco companies advertising cigarettes to children.
"I've always felt purchasing life insurance on children was an inappropriate waste," he says. "There's no reason for it, unless the child is going to star in 'Home Alone 5.' Beyond that, it's an abuse."
He feels there are better ways to save money for college, the cost of a funeral isn't that onerous and the chance of a child becoming uninsurable as an adult is extremely small.
"Most people are insurable until they're 80 nowadays," he says. "The number of people in their 20s who are uninsurable is infinitesimally small."
The worst sin, he says, is convincing parents to buy insurance on their children when they're underinsured themselves. On that topic, the financial experts are agreed. Parents have no business even thinking about life insurance for their kids until their own needs are completely covered."
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)For low income families it's more than onerous, it's often completely unaffordable. That's why these low cost plans sell in low income neighborhoods where the death of children isn't as rare as in middle class America.
I'm not a fan of these baby insurance plans but I do understand why parents buy them.
mainer
(12,547 posts)when families are poor.
But out-of-pocket life insurance payments for burial coverage are direct from the parent's pocketbook. Even the cheapest policies can add up to a hundred dollars or more per year -- all based on the POSSIBILITY that the child will die. If the child lives, all that money is down the drain.
These policies are exploitative and prey on the uninformed.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Charities aren't always around to pay for the burial of your child. Seeing family members or friends grieve even more because they couldn't afford to bury a child is a powerful incentive to buy insurance.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)This lady did not shoot the baby. First, this happened in a populated area and others were on the scene very quickly. She could not possibly have disposed of a gun. The teens could have.
Second, GA cops are not as dumb as you apparently think. They searched her place for a gun and tested her for gunpowder residue. Also the dad.
As I have posted elsewhere, poorer people very commonly have small life insurance policies on all their kids, and the proceeds are used to pay for funerals if necessary. Poorer people don't have thousands of dollars in bank accounts to pay for a funeral.
cali
(114,904 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)In broad daylight.
With no apparent motive.
Pathetic.
cali
(114,904 posts)and this condemnation coming from the likes of YOU. Ironic.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)by that baby's parents.
Of course, you ignore stuff like FORENSIC EVIDENCE
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/25/us/georgia-baby-killed/index.html
Because the grieving husband and estanged daughter had harsh things to say about her.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and then when the police show you a bunch of pictures, point to the person you hired and say he's the one.
They might feel betrayed and confess to the police that you hired them. Maybe even have evidence they can show to prove it.
The fact is the police showed her a bunch of pictures of suspects. She identified the killer by his photo.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)...a woman in my area hired a hit man to dispose of her husband, which he did. The hitman moved out of state and told the story of the man he whacked as a pick up line in a bar. He got busted and so did the woman.
I'm not saying the GA woman had anything to do with hiring these kids to do this to her baby but dumb people do dumb shit. (hell, smart people do dumb shit)
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)applies. Occam's Razor.
All of the mounting evidence suggests this women and her baby were the unfortunate targets of a random crime, not that the mother hired the criminal to kill her baby and injure her.
Most of the speculation otherwise has had very flimsy supporting evidence. Even to the point of somebody suggesting that she referred to "her baby" as suspicious...
To me, mother's referring to "that baby" or "that child" is far more suspicious. Hell, when somebody tried to kill my doggies in front of me, I was screaming for "My boys, my babies" in the aftermath, not "those dogs." 
RILib
(862 posts)would explain why she asked about the quick payment, if she did.
timdog44
(1,388 posts)Blame the victim first.
Sounds to me more like a "15 minutes of fame thing" for the daughter, who obviously has not forgiven her mother for having been taken away. Why else would she go to the news media, probably before she called the police, even if she in fact called the police.
And when the truth comes out, either the mother should be prosecuted, or the daughter, Ashley Glassey, should be prosecuted. But I would suspect the daughter. I FUCKING know it!!!!!!!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)timdog44
(1,388 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)alp227
(33,265 posts)I thought in modern society victim blaming was only marginally more acceptable for rape victims than murder victims. Yet some here would rather be in crime denialism. 
timdog44
(1,388 posts)An alleged rape victim gets more benefit of the doubt than the mother of a murdered child. It can be a fishy case in either of them, but only after more information has presented itself. There certainly is precedent both ways. It seems that a sore nerve had been struck to warrant the way this thread has gone. I feel bad that, that is so. Certainly some trauma caused it.
It is not unreasonable to keep an open mind, but to so forcefully present the doubts, does an inservice. Of course I have been proven wrong on several occasions, but would rather be wrong than right. I hope this does not mean I am arrogant, just that since being here on DU, and having had several "discussions", I have learned much in the way of charity, I think. Also, my eyes have been opened the opposite way. I hope this makes sense.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)There are two way to interpret the question:
1) Mom is a cold-hearted bitch and wants to know when she will get paid.
2) Mom is facing big funeral bills and is wondering of insurance will arrive in time to pay those bills.
From what I have read, the evidence is that she had ZERO to do with the shooting. I wonder though if the police did a test for powder residue on her hands just to be thorough.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)Or directly from the link provided in it:
Citing the ongoing investigation, police spokesman Todd Rhodes declined to comment when asked about the search and those tests.
West also said she relinquished a jacket she was wearing at the time of the shooting to a detective. She told police she was grabbed or shoved briefly by the suspected shooter, and they hope to lift a fingerprint off the jacket, she said.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/25/us/georgia-baby-killed/index.html
It sounds as though the police are being very thorough.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)which is nice for a change.
So, this would tend to discredit the daughter's "concern".
csziggy
(34,189 posts)Prior to the death of her older son since she was not in New Jersey when he was killed - and in some of the articles I've seen about that case, she was not even mentioned in his obituary, only the father and a step-mother. I don't have the link for that - followed a link from a different forum but did not save the article.
It seems as though her nascent family in Georgia is also fractured. The father of the child who was killed is not married to her. One article said they planned to marry when their son was three. They didn't live together and in an article I saw yesterday she is talking about moving back to New Jersey.
This poor woman has so many problems. I hope she can get help and find some level of happiness in the future.
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csziggy
(34,189 posts)Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/03/22/3932174/police-ga-infant-killed-while.html#storylink=cpy
The info I read about them not being married was from an article linked in a different forum. I can't find that article or the reference to it now - it may have been deleted as part of a purge in that forum. There was a lot of heated discussion blaming the parents for the death of the child and the moderators there are not at all OK with blaming the victim of a crime.
LisaL
(47,411 posts)She herself said the two of them were not legally married.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)I better go tell this to a reporter. Pff.
Faux pas
(16,333 posts)her blubbering she didn't shed one tear. Susan Smith came to my mind too.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Faux pas
(16,333 posts)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)with zero evidence but my own emotional reaction and distaste for the mannerisms of the victim.
Faux pas
(16,333 posts)but I am b/c I'm getting the last word. No response after this.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)timdog44
(1,388 posts)It is atrocious the way foe paw has responded to you. Needs to apologize to you.
Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)Crystal ball?
marble falls
(71,784 posts)marble falls
(71,784 posts)just doesn't feel right.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What precisely about the mother's story doesn't "feel" right?
marble falls
(71,784 posts)"he shot my baby", it just didn't sound right or feel right to me. I'm not saying she had a hand in it, I am saying the story is not quite right. There's more to it than we've been shown.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/371642/28/Moms-story-questioned-by-daughter-after-baby-killed-
truthisfreedom
(23,531 posts)always lead to so many conflicts on our board. Please, people, be realistic. We can't know the truth very easily when mental illness is part of the situation.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)after being proven egregiously and completely wrong.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022552516#post93
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2570997
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It didn't the from the first when she was allegedly asked to hand over her money and she told the *thieves* she didn't have any because it was so expensive to raise a child. That's too much embroidery for me.
The additional details in your post are are just increasing my doubts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2571572
This has been too frightening. Too reminiscent of too many innocent black men and boys who got lynched, with no trial, just because the mob said so.
Yes, unlike the mob here ready to brand the mother a liar and complicity in her baby's murder.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=1014435038&info=1#recs
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timdog44
(1,388 posts)that if you were in a shooting, you would not remember exactly who was shot first, how many times, where, when. I would suspect that is a very traumatic experience. Plus the fact her being bipolar and on meds would cloud the issue.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The police seem to be in a holding pattern watching the news interviews and not releasing any hard evidence.
LisaL
(47,411 posts)Police made a number of arrest and even found a potential murder weapon in a pond.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)for your reprehensible accusations:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-slain-baby-mom-victims-random-crime-18823486
Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering told reporters Wednesday investigators are looking into the possibility that the killing of 13-month-old Antonio Santiago in Brunswick was gang-related. But Doering says evidence police have gathered so far doesn't support gang-related charges.Almost a week after a baby was fatally shot in his stroller, police in coastal Georgia are saying for the first time they believe the child and his mother were victims of a random crime.
Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering told reporters Wednesday investigators are looking into the possibility that the killing of 13-month-old Antonio Santiago in Brunswick was gang-related. But Doering says evidence police have gathered so far doesn't support gang-related charges.
mainer
(12,547 posts)they might.
But since you're already calling them reprehensible ahead of any apologies, my guess is no one will bother.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Probably a bit unfair to expect people to do google research before each post.
Truce?
timdog44
(1,388 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)Care to retract your accusation?
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alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Stay classy.
PolitFreak
(236 posts)What, pray tell, has been proved?
Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)You stated in your OP that it was the Susan Smith case all over again. The latest reports from the police investigation suggest that there actually were 2 juveniles involved as the mother claimed in her statement. That is different than the reports which came in from the investigation of Susan Smith's claims.
I hope you'll find DU to be a place with some very smart and big-hearted people who encourage each other to use logic and careful consideration of available evidence when discussing issues and who challenge each other to refrain from stereotyping while doing so.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)She has been cleared as a suspect. She is a victim.
She deserves empathy, and instead you offer toxic hate.
P.S. the only person who's being racialist in judging this case is you. Not sure why you have such animosity towards white women.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)That this crap is still going in. Willful ignorance.