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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:39 AM May 2013

Long Hidden, Vatican Painting Linked To Native Americans

Source: NPR

For close to 400 years, the painting was closed off to the world. For the past 124 years, millions of visitors walked by without noticing an intriguing scene covered with centuries of grime.

Only now, the Vatican says a detail in a newly cleaned 15th century fresco shows what may be one of the first European depictions of Native Americans.

The fresco, The Resurrection, was painted by the Renaissance master in 1494 — just two years after Christopher Columbus first set foot in what came to be called the New World.

Antonio Paolucci, director of the Vatican Museums, told the Vatican daily L'Osservatore Romano that after the soot and grime were removed, in the background, just above the open coffin from where Christ has risen, "we see nude men, decorated with feathered headdresses who appear to be dancing." One of them seems to sport a Mohican cut

Read more: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/05/180860991/long-hidden-vatican-painting-linked-to-native-americans

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Long Hidden, Vatican Painting Linked To Native Americans (Original Post) jakeXT May 2013 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author gtar100 May 2013 #1
This is surely in the wrong place DavidDvorkin May 2013 #2
oops, thank you gtar100 May 2013 #3
You just KNOW the Mormons are going to use this. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #4
Book by Jack Ford on Native American trade w/Europe before Columbus The Blue Flower May 2013 #5
That ain't all they are hiding Berlum May 2013 #6
+1 Blue_Tires May 2013 #11
correct me if im wrong but vanamonde May 2013 #7
The Indians Columbus would have been in contact with we're most likely Aristus May 2013 #8
Columbus only visited parts of the Caribbean on his first voyage iemitsu May 2013 #9
What a cool discovery! Pterodactyl May 2013 #10

Response to jakeXT (Original post)

The Blue Flower

(5,433 posts)
5. Book by Jack Ford on Native American trade w/Europe before Columbus
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:47 PM
May 2013

I heard about the book from the Thom Hartmann show. Very, very interesting.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
6. That ain't all they are hiding
Sun May 5, 2013, 03:25 PM
May 2013

Native Americans of yesteryear had many sacred artifacts, and writings (yes) that the Catholic Patriarchy either burned or hid away deep in the Vatican bowels. The Invading Hordes did their best to snuff the peoples and the rich cultures of North America so they could CLAIM all the land for themselves ...

vanamonde

(161 posts)
7. correct me if im wrong but
Sun May 5, 2013, 03:38 PM
May 2013

I thought Columbus did not reach the mainland continent on the first journey, only landing on what is now Hispaniola. The Mohican tribes did not live there. Further, Wikipedia says that the hairstyle has been in existence in many parts of the world for millennia.
Also, feathered headdresses were worn by plains Indians. Surely Indians of this description would not have reached Europe until after 1494. Yes? No?

Sounds like wishful thinking to me

Aristus

(66,285 posts)
8. The Indians Columbus would have been in contact with we're most likely
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:33 PM
May 2013

Carib Indians, for whom the Caribbean Sea is named. The depiction of the Indians in the fresco is not unlike other depictions of the Caribs.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
9. Columbus only visited parts of the Caribbean on his first voyage
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:06 PM
May 2013

but he wrote of many fantastic and exotic peoples and things. He was trying to sell his voyage as a good investment for a return trip. According to Columbus, at this time, nearly every island was populated by peoples of different sorts. Some had only one leg and others one breast. I am not familiar with the whole text but one can imagine this sort of depiction of Americans conjured by the mind of an European artist.

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