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Galraedia

(5,022 posts)
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:57 PM May 2013

Gun Protesters Plan March On Washington With Loaded Rifles To ‘Put The Government On Notice’

Source: ThinkProgress

Almost 900 people are RSVPed for a July 4th march on Washington, D.C. where protesters plan to carry loaded rifles. In D.C., openly carrying guns is against the law. But the organizer of the event, libertarian radio host Adam Kokesh, says the march is an act of “civil disobedience” that attempts to prove gun advocates’ point in the “SUBTLEST way possible.”

The event’s Facebook invitation describes the march as a nonviolent demonstration, “unless the government chooses to make it violent”:

This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.

There’s a remote chance that there will be violence as there has been from government before, and I think it should be clear that if anyone involved in this event is approached respectfully by agents of the state, they will submit to arrest without resisting. We are truly saying in the SUBTLEST way possible that we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.


Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/05/1965191/open-carry-washington-march/
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Gun Protesters Plan March On Washington With Loaded Rifles To ‘Put The Government On Notice’ (Original Post) Galraedia May 2013 OP
Maybe these idiots will have their wish granted. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #1
This is a coup'd'etat. This is akin to the south attacking the North in the Civil war. graham4anything May 2013 #2
It's Bleeding Kansas, and the slaveowners are disrupting the democratic process Kolesar May 2013 #38
Has there ever been march committing felonies labeled as civil disobedience? nt kelliekat44 May 2013 #49
Yes. Attacking nuclear weapons installations is a serious crime. And nuns have been JDPriestly May 2013 #102
I agree with much of what you say but daybranch May 2013 #89
I disagree. One way or another, this is about 2014. I posted three possible scenarios below. freshwest May 2013 #116
Most things are about 2014 but, the people themselves might not listen to the media graham4anything May 2013 #117
Sorry I didn't include the problems I foresee that hurt us. freshwest May 2013 #119
The only way they lose... Saviolo May 2013 #130
Ready for a firearms roundup? Earth_First May 2013 #3
So the Drama Queens are having a parade in Washington ... Snake Plissken May 2013 #4
Would they be committing a felony? Because they could lose the right to own firearms in a hurry. nolabear May 2013 #5
+1 nt Earth_First May 2013 #6
I'm really trying hard but it's just not coming to me Snake Plissken May 2013 #8
Yeah, but it's not as cut and dried as "You are a felon. You may not have a gun." nolabear May 2013 #10
They would be breaking the law rightsideout May 2013 #127
Circle-Jerkin NRA style. Nt pkdu May 2013 #7
Childish f*cksticks Submariner May 2013 #9
If only this were the whole truth! Sam1 May 2013 #17
It was nice of them (not bright) to let the government and police know about this in advance... Tx4obama May 2013 #11
Exactly! Rhiannon12866 May 2013 #13
oh they are like the KLAN Skittles May 2013 #28
Terrorism timdog44 May 2013 #48
I think it will be hard with about a thousand of them carrying, likely more supporters not carrying freshwest May 2013 #120
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #12
You obviously have not been paying attention then Bjorn Against May 2013 #14
All it's going to take is one firecracker Champion Jack May 2013 #77
hahah! Katashi_itto May 2013 #91
Well, definitely the most stupid example. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #18
An act of civil disobedience to protest a gun-confiscating fantasy that doesn't even exist. arcane1 May 2013 #32
good point marions ghost May 2013 #107
Just because he says one thing, jonthebru May 2013 #15
Nothing says subtle like all caps and bold... uriel1972 May 2013 #16
Oh, this should be good AwareOne May 2013 #19
4th of July in DC can get pretty hot and humid rightsideout May 2013 #126
whats goign to be hysterical is rdking647 May 2013 #20
By crushing the OWS protest movement, big brother clarified certain speech is indepat May 2013 #21
Liberals should counter protest with something equally as illegal and see who gets arrested. SpankMe May 2013 #22
They should be arrested and if convicted Kingofalldems May 2013 #23
They think they'll be heroes. another_liberal May 2013 #35
Bring in buses with "Free Beer at the Suet Beer Garten" banners on the sides Rain Mcloud May 2013 #24
Idots! It would be too much to ask the media to ignore them! riversedge May 2013 #25
Ignore them? Snake Plissken May 2013 #37
They will all be white. dem in texas May 2013 #26
Or American Muslims. bvar22 May 2013 #41
Last time black people did so, the good citizens of california made open carry AtheistCrusader May 2013 #46
you beat me to it (n/t) Tom Ripley May 2013 #112
Dumb idea! GreenStormCloud May 2013 #27
But these are your people! Don't you believe in standing up for... Walk away May 2013 #47
On the 4th of July no less... citizen blues May 2013 #29
Actually things are probably not going to be as crowded as usual LibertyLover May 2013 #73
Well, that is good news of a sort. I was waiting for someone who knew what was going on in D.C. Thnx freshwest May 2013 #123
Oh yeah! another_liberal May 2013 #30
"we will peacefully turn back" or "submit to arrest without resisting" and yet this somehow puts... arcane1 May 2013 #31
Yuppers zipplewrath May 2013 #104
"We will be just like Gandhi and King...but packin'!" Tom Ripley May 2013 #114
Time to arrest Adam Kokesh and his list of 900 rspv and charge them with threats. Sunlei May 2013 #33
Time for some good ol' fashioned gun grabbin'! jpak May 2013 #34
Have a large sign "Welcome to Washington, D.C." and a gun check in kiranon May 2013 #36
Good thing we've got those FEMA camps ready for 'em (n/t) William Seger May 2013 #39
And about 5 of them, at most, will show up n2doc May 2013 #40
I hope you're right. davidthegnome May 2013 #42
All it may take is one Politicalboi May 2013 #52
After seeing thread here, looked at the Ts. They are saying boycott Kokesh, he is Putin false flag. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #51
He has an honorable discharge jmowreader May 2013 #55
His "general discharge under honorable conditions" is less than an "honorable discharge" but above Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #56
Yup, and none of them will be armed. That's exactly how the last one went. Dash87 May 2013 #76
It's too bad they intend to break the law crim son May 2013 #43
Am I the only one who thinks of the 1923 Beer Hall Putsch when I read this ? steve2470 May 2013 #44
Or Mussolini's march on Rome? Nt. thucythucy May 2013 #59
Led by an even worse writer this time around Tom Ripley May 2013 #115
I hope they do! The American people need to see these assholes in action! Walk away May 2013 #45
right marions ghost May 2013 #108
4th of july? safeinOhio May 2013 #50
If this was 1969 and these were Black Panthers DBoon May 2013 #53
In their sleep? SwankyXomb May 2013 #66
The Panthers 'took over' (observed from the gallery) cliffordu May 2013 #88
What an opportunity... Doctor_J May 2013 #54
Fools! jimlup May 2013 #57
why? heaven05 May 2013 #58
One possible outcome defacto7 May 2013 #60
All it will take - is one to decide to become a martyr Dan May 2013 #62
The City of Arlington, VA needs to pass a no open carry law pronto. leveymg May 2013 #101
Terrorists BVictor1 May 2013 #61
As they say on FARK: Manifestor_of_Light May 2013 #63
They should be charged with sedition William Seger May 2013 #65
Congress should be charged with Sedition oldbanjo May 2013 #68
Sounds like a 'Militia' RobertEarl May 2013 #64
Brilliant! primavera May 2013 #81
A bunch of fool trying to start a War. oldbanjo May 2013 #67
WooHoo! A "Million Mauser March"!! JustABozoOnThisBus May 2013 #69
Doubt the WH will much care about any of this, if the past is predictive of the future. blkmusclmachine May 2013 #70
The powers that be will do nothing DiverDave May 2013 #71
I agree Iwillnevergiveup May 2013 #121
Strict gun control is inevitable. onehandle May 2013 #72
Will the cops show up and treat them in the same shitty way the the cops did with OWS? n/t Hotler May 2013 #74
Talk is cheap and easy. Dash87 May 2013 #75
Confront them with the military Franker65 May 2013 #78
Then perhaps the Marines and the Secret Service should grant their wishes. Arkana May 2013 #79
Direct threat and openly defying the law. Police should shoot them all on sight in self defense LannyDeVaney May 2013 #80
I'm active on a couple of online gun forums. Ready4Change May 2013 #82
A March On Washington with loaded guns? What could go wrong? icymist May 2013 #83
Just make sure there is plenty of Smores Schnapps to go around and it should smirkymonkey May 2013 #113
The "Government" already gave them what they wanted! What more do they want? KansDem May 2013 #84
What a bunch of chickenshits. cliffordu May 2013 #85
Now there is a day to avoid being in D.C. Wonder how many will accidently shoot each other? Katashi_itto May 2013 #86
Gonna be a trail of bodies and blood as they march. Accidently shooting one another every mile or Katashi_itto May 2013 #90
Actually, if these people weren't so violent and dangerous, this would be a good time graham4anything May 2013 #97
Oh I agree, It's a KKK march and gun worship cult. Katashi_itto May 2013 #100
A KKK march without the sheets marions ghost May 2013 #109
I read the Wikipedia entry on this guy Blandocyte May 2013 #87
Sedition is illegal. SansACause May 2013 #92
provocation...plain and simple...these people are not sportsman... Evasporque May 2013 #93
This ought to be interesting... ReRe May 2013 #94
I'm pretty sure they will all be arrested Marrah_G May 2013 #95
Cowards, they are full of shit!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #96
Should be interesting. truthisfreedom May 2013 #98
northern war of agression konnie May 2013 #99
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #105
no, any protesters that are democratic and any minority must NOT come with weapons graham4anything May 2013 #118
My Questions for these type of gun nuts Wolf Frankula May 2013 #103
This! XVI_Eyes May 2013 #129
I almost hope they try something... TruBluPhx May 2013 #106
Piffle SirRevolutionary May 2013 #110
No good will come of this. freethought May 2013 #111
These idiots have won the coin toss. 47of74 May 2013 #122
Buzz 'em with a few drones. Mz Pip May 2013 #124
And the Darwin Award goes to... truthisfreedom May 2013 #125
I still say... cntrfthrs May 2013 #128
What really needs to happen Saviolo May 2013 #131
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
2. This is a coup'd'etat. This is akin to the south attacking the North in the Civil war.
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:04 PM
May 2013

They are fully stating they will use force UNLESS, which is terrorism 101, and should be treated as such much like Lincoln did.

of course, the fools with guns will, like the south, be thoroughly defeated and the days of the gun are quickly ending.

Probably about 900 people nationwide own guns, and each one probably is stockpiling thousands with hundreds of thousands of bullets.

Hey, everyone who responded to the Zucky place probably is now part of a national register.
That would be funny and ironic.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
38. It's Bleeding Kansas, and the slaveowners are disrupting the democratic process
Sun May 5, 2013, 08:22 PM
May 2013

In that century, they were starting street violence and destroying the printing presses of the free staters. In modern times, they are creating civil unrest.

Further: Kokesh's first paragraph of his Facebook invitation was really written like shit.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
102. Yes. Attacking nuclear weapons installations is a serious crime. And nuns have been
Mon May 6, 2013, 02:18 PM
May 2013

known to do that.

But this march must have been dreamed up by a mad hatter.

Honestly. The organizers may have peaceful intentions, but some paranoid-schizophrenic from Nebraska is bound to show up and start demonstrating the power of his weapons. What insanity.

The organizers are proving that they are not mentally healthy enough to own weapons. This is ridiculous.

And more than anything else, it is going to ruin July 4 for Americans all across the country. This rally in DC won't be the only congregation of crazies to show up this July 4.

This is incitement to riot.

The Occupy movement was very peaceful. The groups did not allow weapons in their midst. They were treated brutally by the police in some cities. These armed gangs are challenging the police and I wonder if they will be treated like the Occupiers were. Riot gear, pepper spray, the whole works.

We shall see.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
89. I agree with much of what you say but
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:01 AM
May 2013

where do you come up with 900 guns nationwide? We have more people than that who own guns just in many counties of Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee etc. even many with small populations.
do not forget that guns are passed down from generation to generation and many many democrats from Appalachia and the Ozarks own guns as do most hunters of every state.
These gun marchers are hoping to have their guns confiscated so they can say guns are being seized by Obama and democrats in order to foster more lies about gun control now that the killing of innocent children is making an impact on the public and even many gun owners.
Hopefully the police will remove their guns unload them, search the individuals who carried the guns and any other supporters for more ammunition, issue significant financial tickets maybe 500 dollars or so to each, retain the ammunition and return the guns. In this way we provide reasonable protection of the public as well as giving them right to march. We have to hope the police will be the grown ups.
These marchers must suffer significant penalties for their blatant breaking of DC law but we must not give them any satisfaction.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
116. I disagree. One way or another, this is about 2014. I posted three possible scenarios below.
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:05 PM
May 2013
No matter what, they win, it's set as a political stunt with lots of weasel words from the libertarian freak leading it.

And the media will do all they can to inflame the public to make Obama, LEOs, and the government look bad, no matter which one occurs.

I'm not laughing, this is just what Charles Koch wants.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
117. Most things are about 2014 but, the people themselves might not listen to the media
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:30 PM
May 2013

things are changing.People aren't tuning in Fo who already vote for the repubs)
and the other media. And President Obama's fans don't care what the media says
and 90% of America wants something done about guns.

This could very easily help the democratic candidates for house in 2014.

and this will just makes protesters look really bad

2014 is the republicans last stand and they know it. (Same with the NRA.)
By 2016 it won't make a difference whichever way 2014 goes anyhow.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
119. Sorry I didn't include the problems I foresee that hurt us.
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:46 PM
May 2013

From a thread on Glen Beck:

He supports Koch, NRA, USCoC, calls liberals, progressives and Democrats the enemy of mankind.

Here's hoping the wingnuts with their libertarian leader won't start a bloodbath in Washington, D.C. on July 4th. They clearly intend to provoke something there or their home states for the 2014 elections.

1) With civilians crowding the place to celebrate the nation's Independence Day, they bring armed weapons to intimidate those there. If the police let them go on their way, they'll be empowered to do it more often.

2) If police don't let them do it, they'll squawk gun grabbers at home and get votes that way.

3) If violence ensues, the prophets of disaster who want a civil war to start will scream Police State, Martial Law, etc. and that won't just be the rightwingnuts, either.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022805714#post67

Some states are passing 10th Amendment laws to NOT obey federal law enforcement, even to arrest any federal agent trying to do so. They are getting with county sheriffs, AGs and others to do this. It's all Koch funded - but that makes no difference to the RWNJs.

Do you believe that none of the three scenarios I marked there are a possibility? It seems a political win for them, because media WILL support the Libertarian Teabaggers. Tell me why there won't be a price to pay in 2014. It's not right, but I see no win for us here.


Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
130. The only way they lose...
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:25 AM
May 2013

...is if the violence starts within their own ranks. If some paranoid nervous marcher with a gun gets startled or spooked in that environment and fires the first shot. Hits a police shield or (worst case scenario for everyone) a civilian bystander, it all goes to hell in a big hurry.

They can claim anything they want after that, but in this age of everyone filming everything, there's no way that some nutball from within the march popping off unprovoked wouldn't get captured on someone's iPhone. They can claim persecution all they want, but if one of them fires the first shot, they're done.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
4. So the Drama Queens are having a parade in Washington ...
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:06 PM
May 2013

If only Penis Enlargement Pills actually worked, they could find something more productive to occupy their time with.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
5. Would they be committing a felony? Because they could lose the right to own firearms in a hurry.
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:07 PM
May 2013

Which would be my greatest hope.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
8. I'm really trying hard but it's just not coming to me
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:09 PM
May 2013

I can't think of a single reason why any idiot who marches on Washington with armed weapons should be deemed mentally stable enough to own a firearm

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
10. Yeah, but it's not as cut and dried as "You are a felon. You may not have a gun."
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:14 PM
May 2013

DC being a non-state and all, it has its own unique legalities. I suspect this is posturing and will never happen though.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
127. They would be breaking the law
Tue May 7, 2013, 12:57 AM
May 2013

Not sure if it's a felony but DC has a law against open carry and automatic weapons. As soon as they step over the DC line from Virginia, they'll be breaking the law. Plus they won't have a permit for their protest.

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
9. Childish f*cksticks
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:13 PM
May 2013

They still can't get over the fact that their SCOTUS appointed mental midget lost 2 wars and tanked the nation's economy ruining their chances for the Rove-prescribed permanent republic majority.

So after a few years of teabaggery to detract from an Obama presidency trying to right the wrongs of last decade under Bush and Cheney, these racist gun nuts are going to push the envelope. This could be a colossal blood-letting, and if it happens lets hope the cops don't go down at the point of their guns. I can't say I hope they live through it though.

Total complete assholes is what they are, and I hope they feel the full wrath of the law if they decide to go through with this stunt.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
11. It was nice of them (not bright) to let the government and police know about this in advance...
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:18 PM
May 2013

I betcha there will be tons of law enforcement officers there to arrest their asses for breaking the D.C. law by carrying loaded guns in public.



freshwest

(53,661 posts)
120. I think it will be hard with about a thousand of them carrying, likely more supporters not carrying
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:52 PM
May 2013
and tens of thousands of people in a crowded area.

And it's not like there's only one way to get near the Capitol, White House, etc. The city doesn't have a moat, ha ha, but they have given notice they will cross the Potomac, playing up the Washington angle. May use a canoe, for all we know.

I see a huge mess logistically speaking for Washington, D.C. law enforcement if these clowns don't back up. Likely someone who is more familiar with this would know much better than me, though.


Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
14. You obviously have not been paying attention then
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:32 PM
May 2013

There have been plenty of great acts of civil disobedience since Rosa Parks.

This has to be the stupidist and most dangerous act of civil disobedience ever. I hope no one gets killed by the douchbags on parade.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
32. An act of civil disobedience to protest a gun-confiscating fantasy that doesn't even exist.
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:37 PM
May 2013

Rosa Parks was protesting an actual law, not a made-up fantasy like these fools are doing.

Yeah, they're civil rights icons all right!

jonthebru

(1,034 posts)
15. Just because he says one thing,
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:32 PM
May 2013

does not get him off the hook. He is inciting violence, plain and simple. He needs a visit from the FBI.

The real irony is the 2nd amendment and the "well organized militia" part was put there just for situations like this. It was not intended for outside tyranny, but inside sedition. I.e. the whiskey rebellion, where colonists didn't want to pay taxes on their booze so Washington came out of retirement, gathered a militia and went there to put the rebellion down. Of course, these clowns don't see it that way. Like Christian Evangelicals and the bible, second amendment fanatics read and interpret the constitution how ever it meets their fancy.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
16. Nothing says subtle like all caps and bold...
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:34 PM
May 2013

Not to mention marching on the nation's capital with loaded weapons in defiance of the law and all sensibility... oh well *grabs popcorn*

 

AwareOne

(404 posts)
19. Oh, this should be good
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:38 PM
May 2013

the over and under for heart attacks in this group of all white, overweight, perpetually angry and therefore stressed middle aged slobs is 3. Over and under for accidental shootings in same group is 2. Can't wait to see this unwell unregulated militia in action.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
126. 4th of July in DC can get pretty hot and humid
Tue May 7, 2013, 12:50 AM
May 2013

In addition to Paddy Wagon Busses, they're going to need a fleet of ambulances. LOL.

With all that crap they'll be wearing and their rifles many of them will drop like flies in the heat.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
20. whats goign to be hysterical is
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:38 PM
May 2013

when these morons are arrested and convicted they will lose the right to posses firearms in their own states...

indepat

(20,899 posts)
21. By crushing the OWS protest movement, big brother clarified certain speech is
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:40 PM
May 2013

Last edited Sun May 5, 2013, 09:08 PM - Edit history (1)

not permissible and therefore will not be tolerated, even though constitutionally protected. Will be interesting to see what big brother's response would be to hundreds of people in unison defying, even openly flaunting, the no-open-carry law in our nation's capital.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
22. Liberals should counter protest with something equally as illegal and see who gets arrested.
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:42 PM
May 2013

...Such as marching nude or marching while holding fireworks or bales of marijuana or large picket signs with porn on them (anti-gun themed). If they arrest us (the libs with our form of disobedience) but not the gun worshiping fuck-nuts openly carrying loaded guns, then we know where law enforcement's priorities would lie - on the side of cowardice.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
35. They think they'll be heroes.
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:43 PM
May 2013

Just like the fools who bombed the Boston Marathon, they think they'll be cheered by somebody. People who would show up at this event are people whose lives are so pointless and empty they actually want a Civil War to start, so they can experience the "excitement!"

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
24. Bring in buses with "Free Beer at the Suet Beer Garten" banners on the sides
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:20 PM
May 2013

then take them all to a processing area where the would be de-loused,shaved,washed,de-oderized and checked into a psyche hospital for two weeks of psychiatric observation.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
37. Ignore them?
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:50 PM
May 2013

This is exactly the kind of dysfunctional train wreck they look for. 900 of the dumbest people on the planet competing for a Darwin Award.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
26. They will all be white.
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:28 PM
May 2013

What would happen if a march of black Americans all carrying loaded rifles were organized? The same bunch of white gun nuts would be protesting the march. These men and the ones at the NRA convention in Houston this past week-end are like a bunch of naughty boys. They need their mama to spank them and stand them in corner. The worst part of all of this is the politicians who pander to the group and can't wait to get up in front of them and spout stupid things and get their pictures taken.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
41. Or American Muslims.
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:04 PM
May 2013

After all,
THEIR 2nd Amendment Right to form a militia and own firearms shall not be infringed either.

My favorite armed militia would be a militant, Radical Lesbian Militia with assault rifles!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
46. Last time black people did so, the good citizens of california made open carry
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:19 PM
May 2013

Illegal if the weapon is loaded.

You see, the 2nd really only applies to white people.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
47. But these are your people! Don't you believe in standing up for...
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:23 PM
May 2013

what you think are your rights? Are you saying guns aren't safe? Or that open carry is a mistake? Isn't this what you want? Aren't you the folk that want to strike down DC's strict gun laws?

citizen blues

(570 posts)
29. On the 4th of July no less...
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:31 PM
May 2013

When the capitol mall will be packed with civilians celebrating the country's birthday. Something will happen. It's bound to. Look at the pro-gun rallys they had. Half a dozen people accidentally shot themselves. God, I hope no innocent bystanders get shot. This is a disaster in the making, not to mention a potential blood-bath.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
73. Actually things are probably not going to be as crowded as usual
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:06 AM
May 2013

here in DC. Because of sequestration, the National Park Service has announced that there will be no 4th of July concert as in past years. Already business owners in DC are worried about loosing revenue because visitors won't be coming here as much. Even the Smithsonian has announced that portions of its various museums, both on the Mall and elsewhere in DC will be closing and people in DC are really worried that all potential tourists will hear is "the Smithsonian is closed" rather that "the bird halls of the Natural History Museum are closed on Tuesdays and the First Ladies' Gowns exhibit is closed on Fridays". While I think these idiots are just that - idiots - picking this 4th of July for this stupidity isn't as potentially dangerous as it could be.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
30. Oh yeah!
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:31 PM
May 2013

Fuck up the Fourth of July for everybody why don't you, you racist, wingnut sociopaths!

What a goddamned shame. You call yourselves patriots and this is what you want to make us watch on Independence Day: a crowd of basically insane, beer-gutted attention whores "parading" through the nation's Capital while trying to shoot themselves with their own over-priced assault rifles?

Thanks a lot, assholes!

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
31. "we will peacefully turn back" or "submit to arrest without resisting" and yet this somehow puts...
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:33 PM
May 2013

"the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny"?

Did I read that correctly?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. Time to arrest Adam Kokesh and his list of 900 rspv and charge them with threats.
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:38 PM
May 2013

or wait untill they step one inch off the public sidewalks to zip tie them and stuff them in dog cages in busses for 12 hours. like they did to the occupy people.

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
36. Have a large sign "Welcome to Washington, D.C." and a gun check in
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:44 PM
May 2013

station with police vans ready for those who cross the line into the city and refuse to check in their weapons.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
40. And about 5 of them, at most, will show up
Sun May 5, 2013, 08:50 PM
May 2013

None of these chickenshits has the guts to get arrested and lose their precious guns. I hope the police let them get in to DC, and surround them (like they do with peace protestors) and arrest them all.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
42. I hope you're right.
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:08 PM
May 2013

A lot of these people are probably cowards at heart - but if their leaders can motivate them enough, rally up the crazy well enough... well, this could be very ugly. Imagine hundreds of gun nuts marching through Washington with loaded rifles... on the 4th of July. If just one of them goes even crazier and starts shooting, the response from police, security, or even military forces... well, I expect it would be overwhelming. They would then create martyrs through one simple, overwhelmingly stupid act performed by someone who was probably too drunk to realize he was squeezing the trigger.

There's potential for all kinds of disaster here. I hope that cooler heads will prevail, and that most of these idiots will either stay home, or that they'll be arrested before they can commence with this idiocy.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
51. After seeing thread here, looked at the Ts. They are saying boycott Kokesh, he is Putin false flag.
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:06 PM
May 2013

They are warning each other to not participate, fearing it is a false flag operation designed to discredit 'responsible' gun owners.

Kokesh broadcasts or broadcasted on Putin's RT (Russia Today) international TV network. The Ts think he is allied with Code Pink. They hate him for his military less than honorable discharge and for inciting desertion at a US Army base in Europe.

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
55. He has an honorable discharge
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:36 PM
May 2013

What he has is an RE-4 reenlistment eligibility code, which keeps him from reenlisting, and he got it for misconduct - bringing a pistol back from Iraq as a war trophy.

And if he carries through on his threat to march into Washington with a loaded gun on the Fourth of July, he's also gonna have flex-cuff dents in his wrists so deep they'll never come out.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
56. His "general discharge under honorable conditions" is less than an "honorable discharge" but above
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:38 PM
May 2013

His "general discharge under honorable conditions" is less than an "honorable discharge" but above a "dishonorable discharge".

crim son

(27,464 posts)
43. It's too bad they intend to break the law
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:10 PM
May 2013

and will therefore probably get a reaction out of law enforcement, because what I'd really like to see is complete disregard for this stupid stunt, and possibly one or two minor gunshot injuries perpetrated by demonstrators and inflicted on demonstrators, just to underscore how ridiculous they are. What if they had a demonstration and nobody came?

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
45. I hope they do! The American people need to see these assholes in action!
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:17 PM
May 2013

They should put their 7 year olds on floats with Cricket rifles in baby colors. Let's show the world what gun lovers THINK is normal!

DBoon

(22,354 posts)
53. If this was 1969 and these were Black Panthers
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:10 PM
May 2013

the police would murder them all in their sleep

White privilege at its finest

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
88. The Panthers 'took over' (observed from the gallery)
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:50 AM
May 2013

the California legislature for a couple of hours back then -

I don't remember the year -

Loaded shotguns and rifles.

Freaked the FUCK out of all the pretty white legislators.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
57. Fools!
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:42 PM
May 2013

Holy Shit these people are ignorant fools. Apparently they just can't let go of the 16th century.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
58. why?
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:54 PM
May 2013

looking for trouble. ok. With the zimmerman trial fully going by then and loaded rifles carried by racist, well should be interesting....

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
60. One possible outcome
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:16 AM
May 2013

Several of these idiots decide to become martyrs, and make other gun toter's into martyrs and start shooting. Then the police start in and there is a massive mess. That's not the punch line... then the propaganda gets rolling that the feds started it with the intention to shoot them down... the rhetoric is endless. This could be disastrous and I don't for a moment think that there are not people who would do this. As a matter of fact, I think it's very possible.

That's why we have the laws limiting loaded weapons in places and situations like this. It only takes one of two martyr minded religious zealots to start a horrible war for God and Country.

Dan

(3,546 posts)
62. All it will take - is one to decide to become a martyr
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:39 AM
May 2013

...then no one knows what will happen next...but boys and guns, and please do not add booze is one bad combination.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
101. The City of Arlington, VA needs to pass a no open carry law pronto.
Mon May 6, 2013, 01:01 PM
May 2013

But, given the NRA's death grip over the VA legislature and Governor's mansion, there's probably a state law that makes that impossible to legally enforce.

 

BVictor1

(229 posts)
61. Terrorists
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:35 AM
May 2013

Their guns should be collected and destroyed and the individuals should be hauled off to jail.

oldbanjo

(690 posts)
68. Congress should be charged with Sedition
Mon May 6, 2013, 05:04 AM
May 2013

these idiots should be put in jail and loose the right to own a gun.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
64. Sounds like a 'Militia'
Mon May 6, 2013, 01:16 AM
May 2013

So let them be well regulated just as the constitution says.

And march them over to Afghanistan.

primavera

(5,191 posts)
81. Brilliant!
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:47 AM
May 2013

If Scalia wants to consider gun owners to be militia, let them perform the duties of militia. I love it!

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
69. WooHoo! A "Million Mauser March"!!
Mon May 6, 2013, 05:17 AM
May 2013

Well, maybe not a million, exactly.

Hundreds, perhaps.

However many show up for this, they'll be seriously outnumbered by news camera crews.

More like "tens".

Ok, maybe not quite ten. four or five.

And I don't think the rifles will actually be loaded. But the protesters will look magnificent, all decked out in camo pattern clothing with black ballistic nylon accessories.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
71. The powers that be will do nothing
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:55 AM
May 2013

since the cops are on THEIR side.
OWS gets a beat down, gets cops undercover inciting violence.
These yahoos will be warmly welcomed by their supporters in blue.
IF it comes off at all.
60-40 that they will not do it.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
121. I agree
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:38 PM
May 2013

This wonderful, "patriotic" event is 2 months away, and lots could go wrong between now and then. I'm sure organizers are already considering an "alternative march" ass covering if the RSVP's fizzle out.

Remember the bumper sticker: "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"

How about: "What if they gave a stupid, dangerous anti-American march and nobody came?"

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
75. Talk is cheap and easy.
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:17 AM
May 2013

Prepare for a non-event. This shouldn't be taken seriously, and the waste city resources on it would be silly.

Franker65

(299 posts)
78. Confront them with the military
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:27 AM
May 2013

Some tanks should scare these idiots off. The capital has to protected and defended from armed radicals.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
79. Then perhaps the Marines and the Secret Service should grant their wishes.
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:28 AM
May 2013

See how long these Rascal-bound fuckers last against the best-trained bodyguards in the world.

Ready4Change

(6,736 posts)
82. I'm active on a couple of online gun forums.
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:54 AM
May 2013

I use a different name there. One of them, in my view*, averages moderate-conservative, the other averages conservative-extreme right. In each, there is a margin of extreme right rhetoric, usually tampered down by more moderate voices. In each, liberal views tend to be either ignored or rejected.

However, in both forums, this "loaded rifle march" was declared one of the most stupid ideas they've ever heard.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
113. Just make sure there is plenty of Smores Schnapps to go around and it should
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:59 PM
May 2013

be a rootin' tootin' good time!

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KansDem

(28,498 posts)
84. The "Government" already gave them what they wanted! What more do they want?
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:21 AM
May 2013

In spite of the fact 80% of the American people wants background checks, the NRA whores in Congress voted to block such safeguards.

Who are they going to "put on notice?"

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
85. What a bunch of chickenshits.
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:32 AM
May 2013

I say if you bring a loaded gun to Washington, set off a few rounds to show them you're serious.

Money/mouth, skin in the game, etc.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
90. Gonna be a trail of bodies and blood as they march. Accidently shooting one another every mile or
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:03 AM
May 2013

so....

Why do I keep thinking of Richard Bachmann's (Stephen King) "The Long Walk.."

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
97. Actually, if these people weren't so violent and dangerous, this would be a good time
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:23 PM
May 2013

for millions of men AND WOMEN and minorities all people to stand and either block the bridge to stop them from coming across,
or stand silently and spit on them as they go by

but these people I don't trust not to go mega-violent so I would not suggest anyone do that.

This is indeed nothing more than a KKK march without the sheets

BTW-if these people provoked something, the law enforcement, the troops and the National Guard ALL would stand with the President in defending America from this terroristic attack.
imho

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
100. Oh I agree, It's a KKK march and gun worship cult.
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:49 PM
May 2013

I enjoy historical firearms, civil war reinactment, and they have managed to take most of the pleasure out of it.

SansACause

(520 posts)
92. Sedition is illegal.
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:20 AM
May 2013

I don't know what else you'd call a group of armed people trying to intimidate the US Government. The gun nuts like to pretend that they can fight U.S. forces, but in reality they'll all be rounded up and tried as traitors and seditionists.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
93. provocation...plain and simple...these people are not sportsman...
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:46 AM
May 2013

stupid....they will lose CC permits with a firearms violation.



ReRe

(10,597 posts)
94. This ought to be interesting...
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:52 AM
May 2013

... on probably one of the busiest days in DC. Wonder if they all have to show verifiable registration of all those guns? No. Because gun registration is not verifiable? OK, hows about conceal carry license (and in this instance, the converse "blatant" carry.) It ought to be a hot time in the old town that night. I won't be anywhere near there.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
96. Cowards, they are full of shit!!!
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:09 PM
May 2013

I bet they won't march into SE Washington, D.C. talking that KKKlan bullshit! They're certainly not coming to my neighborhood. I see that they are really in Arlington, VA, not on the Washington Mall. I don't think it's legal for these racist assholes to bring loaded guns to D.C. They need to stay their bigoted asses in Virginia where they belong.

konnie

(44 posts)
99. northern war of agression
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:47 PM
May 2013

the south will rise again. oh goodie. back to that are we? well i would love to see what
they would do if say a cadre of say 500 armed black men showed up at their little show? or
500 latino men with rifles........wonder how that welcome would play out.

and since it's against the law, i wonder what would happen if their gathering would be
met at the federal city limits by homeland security, maybe a drone or 4............

oh please do resist. wanna die for you gun, that can be easily arranged.

thanks ronnie raygun for gutting mental asylums.



 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
118. no, any protesters that are democratic and any minority must NOT come with weapons
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:33 PM
May 2013

that is what they want.

Martin Luther King Jr. did NOT carry guns in his protests.
and the Million Man Marchers carried NOT one gun.

Spitting at them like at a KKK march (and these gunnies are the KKK without sheets) are what is in order.

Wolf Frankula

(3,600 posts)
103. My Questions for these type of gun nuts
Mon May 6, 2013, 02:53 PM
May 2013

What would they have thought, if the students at Kent State had returned fire, and routed the National Guard?

What if the members of the Million Man March had marched armed?

What if Trayvon Martin had been armed, and seeing George Zimmerman pulling a gun on him, had drawn and shot first?

What if Occupy Wall Street had been armed, and declared they would defend their camps?

What if pro-choice activists stopped just taking it, and started dishing it out? Every time an abortion provider was murdered, an anti-choice activist was murdered, every time a clinic was blown up, an anti-choice church was blown up?

My guess they would be shitting their pants from fear, and call for the strictest type of gun control.

Wolf

TruBluPhx

(6 posts)
106. I almost hope they try something...
Mon May 6, 2013, 04:52 PM
May 2013

Not that I ever want to see any loss of life, but America would no doubt be better off with a few less of these idiots off the streets (behind bars at least).

SirRevolutionary

(579 posts)
110. Piffle
Mon May 6, 2013, 05:48 PM
May 2013

The Million Moron March with loaded weapons on Washington will quickly fizzle to a Pathetic Pissant Parade of reptilian-brained, gun lusting cowards who have a sudden change in reason at the last minute to avoid jail time.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
122. These idiots have won the coin toss.
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:24 PM
May 2013

These idiots have won the coin toss.



They have elected to receive.

Mz Pip

(27,439 posts)
124. Buzz 'em with a few drones.
Tue May 7, 2013, 12:31 AM
May 2013


Like that scene in the movie Silver Streak where Gene Wilder buzzes the flock of sheep.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
131. What really needs to happen
Tue May 7, 2013, 12:36 PM
May 2013

Is that all of these armed marchers need to be watched, and watched closely. They need to be recorded by the public on every iPhone and Android video camera you can muster. If fire breaks out, and they start it, there needs to be tons of documentary evidence from multiple angles of how it all went down so they can't claim "The police shot first!"

Give'em enough rope, etc...

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