Al-Assad will pay heavy price for only showing ‘courage’ to babies in cradle: Turkish PM
Source: Huriyet (Ankara)
'If God permits, we will see this criminal, this murderer, receive his judgment in this world, and we will be grateful to [God] for it,' Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Syrias Bashar al-Assad May 5. AA photo
Turkey's prime minister delivered one of his most virulent attacks yet against Bashar al-Assad on May 5, calling the Syrian president a “murderer” and warning that he would be held to account for the deaths of tens of thousands of his citizens.
“If God permits, we will see this criminal, this murderer, receive his judgment in this world, and we will be grateful to [God] for it,” Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said.
"Hear me, Bashar al-Assad. You will give an account for this. You will pay a very, very heavy price for [only] showing the courage you cannot show others to the babies in the cradle with soothers in their mouths. God willing, the lamentations of these children will fall upon you as blessed revenge,” he said during a gathering of his ruling Justice and Development Party’s (AKP) consultation gathering in Kızılcahamam, near Ankara.
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jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)What does numbnuts have to say when Obama's drones kill babies and women?
still_one
(98,883 posts)he is not criticizing Obama?
Brillant
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Last edited Sun May 5, 2013, 06:51 PM - Edit history (1)
still_one
(98,883 posts)Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)still_one
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secondwind
(16,903 posts)Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Sorry, for me that equation was so obviously outrageous...
My bad.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)This guy wants to go frothing moron when it suits him but turns a blind eye to our infractions not to mention his own on the Kurdish population of his own country.
Fuck him, he's a chump.
joshcryer
(62,534 posts)The political oppression of course is shameful, but I'm pretty sure that you were supporting it in a certain Latin American country... 
MADem
(135,425 posts)been for close to a century in Turkey. It used to be fucking ugly for them. Now, they're dealing with the government.
The rapprochement has had a side benefit of being helpful to the (smaller) Kurdish population in Syria as well.
I don't think you'd get much support for your excoriation of the PM from the Kurdish population in Turkey at this stage of the game--Kurds are, first and foremost, pragmatists. Would that other entities in the region were as smart and clear-sighted as those folks.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Another war criminal! Let's focus on him instead!" Which means "OK Assad's a war criminal but he is not the only one, so let him do whatever he wants to do. We can never do anything about war criminals because to prosecute the first one would be 'unfair'". And if we never prosecute the first one, they all get off free forever.
Syria is like Iraq and presents a potential quagmire for the US should it intervene under the assumption that the killing will stop once the Assad regime is destroyed.
Syria is much like Iraq in that minorities (20%) have for 40 years held their foot on the neck of the majority, which is now fighting a war for control of the country. In both countries, the political struggle falls largely along religious and ethnic lines, although, both class and regional differences are also important.
Syria’s revolt started as a peaceful struggle, but took on a sectarian character as the government used violence. Sectarianism has long been a seminal part of politics in Syria. The regime has protected itself by using sectarian strategies and has mobilized and exploited historic Alawite fear of Sunni discrimination and mistreatment.
In Iraq, the Sunni minority of 20% dominated the Shiite majority of 60% through the Baath Party. In Syria, the Shiite minority, supported by other religious minorities, making up 20% of the population have dominated the Sunni Arab majority of 70% through the Baath Party. In both countries the security state was controlled by the religious minority.
Syria’s violence will not end when the state or brutal regime is destroyed. In Iraq, sectarian and ethnic violence exploded, as did general chaos and criminality, following the destruction of Saddam’s brutal state. In Syria, something similar has already begun to happen. The liberated regions are beset by chaos and criminality. Warlordism is taking root. Foreign intervention cannot solve this problem. The Syrian opposition has had over two years to unify, but has not.
http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/is-syria-like-iraq/
Assad is a war criminal. His regime is brutal. But the fact is that there is little we can do about it. Any intervention will make a terrible situation even worse. That may seem impossible to civilians in Syria right now, but it is true. It is not the first time that the world was not able to do anything about a brutal dictator and it will not be the last.
joshcryer
(62,534 posts)And of course when you look at the claims of the US aiding terrorists the very same people don't acknowledge Syria's aiding of terrorists (Hezbollah).
pampango
(24,692 posts)While there is much consternation in the US and elsewhere about giving access to other 'terrorists' to exactly the same weapons. Something tells me that, if a civilian airliner is ever shot down with an anti-aircraft missile the immediate assumption will not be "There those missiles the Syrian government gave to 'terrorists'."
joshcryer
(62,534 posts)Looks like Israel took out a very large weapons store though.
Nothing pleases me more than seeing the arms of war being destroyed.
ButterflyBlood
(12,644 posts)On a Democratic website. Wow. I'd like to see those results.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad#Syrian_civil_war
On 2 January 2013, the United Nations released an estimate that the war's death toll had exceeded 60,000; on 12 February, this figure was updated to 70,000. According to various opposition activist groups, between 68,440 and 82,130 people have been killed, of which about half were civilians, but also including 33,500 armed combatants consisting of both the Syrian Army and rebel forces, up to 1,000 opposition protesters and 1,000 government officials. By October 2012, up to 28,000 people had been reported missing, including civilians forcibly abducted by government troops or security forces. According to the UN, about 1.2 million Syrians have been displaced within the country. To escape the violence, as many as 1.4 million Syrian refugees have fled to neighboring countries. In addition, tens of thousands of protesters have been imprisoned and there were reports of widespread torture and psychological terror in state prisons. International organizations have accused both government and opposition forces of severe human rights violations. However, human rights groups report that the majority of abuses have been committed by the Syrian government's forces, and UN investigations have concluded that the government's abuses are the greatest in both gravity and scale.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war
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Tx4obama
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Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)None of their hands are clean of innocent blood.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts) L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)I think you're having a conversation in your head with yourself about things that I have not said anything about.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Your reply #8 "Are you supporting Assad?" Irony escapes you huh ...talk about a conversation in your head.
smknz
(30 posts)I am supporting Assad because the alternative is far worse. I would however, gladly see Assad stand trial for his actions if leaders in the west, turkey, the middle east including Qatar, Israel and Saudi Arabia would also stand trial for their roles in this carnage.
secondwind
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David__77
(24,500 posts)If the Syrian people don't like it, then can vote against him in the presidential election next May. I hope the terrorist al Qaeda is soundly defeated by the Syrian Army.
King_David
(14,851 posts)You really are clueless as to what's happening in Syria ,aren't you...
David__77
(24,500 posts)I do not want the US to support the anti-Semitic terrorists in Syria.
pampango
(24,692 posts)are not persecuted there. I have little doubt that in the long run Syria's Sunnis are not less capable of running a democratic state that does not persecute minorities than Turkey's Sunnis are.
I agree that we should not support terrorists in Syria - on either side - the opposition's terrorist faction or the regime's terrorists. (By the way, "anti-Semitic terrorists" would include Hezbollah which the US does not support and Assad does.)
Since only a small minority of Syria's Sunnis are terrorists, there are good people in Syria and plenty of them. Unfortunately, there is no good way to help them which is why we should stay out.
David__77
(24,500 posts)I agree that the large majority of Syrians: Sunnis Alawites, etc., are not terrorists.
Rhiannon12866
(249,142 posts)And I'm anti-war, too. 
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)this really is getting interesting...
secondwind
(16,903 posts)then the end is near for Assad.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Turkey is a NATO member, but not of the Arab League.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Just stating a fact, don't know if you realize that or not.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)The post I was responding to was confusing.
Separately, other statments of fact, Turkey is a member of NATO (not one step away from it) and is not a member of the Arab League. The post I responded to was ambiguous as to whether it was stating that Turkey was a member or not.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)John2
(2,730 posts)of Americans who are very well educated and intelligent, that cannot be fooled by propaganda or rhetoric. A lot of people in this country don't buy into religious extremism either. The Turkish Prime minister is a bias participant in this War. His country has a stake in Syria with the Kurdish populations in Syria,Iraq and Iran. he wants to carve out an independant subserviant client state. That is his real reason for wanting to see Syria divided. The Kurds in Iraq are already more favorable to Turkey than they are to Iraq. Especially with oil resources. Turkey is the same country that invaded Cyprus. So whatever statements he makes publicly in his rants, intelligent people know what he is doing under the table. There is also a nuclear issue with Turkey on their soil. He is not interested in the human rights of people. His real interests are power and influence. That includes resources.
You say the end is near for Assad, or is some people getting desperate because things aren't turning out the way they schemed? I'm referring to the attack from Israel backfiring regarding public opinion in the region. The prime minister of Turkey, was not the only leader in the Middle East to make public statements today. There were statements from the Arab League including Iraq and Iran's military leaders. I'm not talking about the political leaders but the military leaders. I think some people will get what they ask for in this push to War.
This conflict is not about just Assad but something bigger. These sides are lining up and their positions are hardening for whatever causes they believe in dying for. War is not to be toyed with and it is not a joke. The same idiots in Washington that gave us Iraq and that mess in Afghanistan is at it again. Those fools can't help themselves. The U.N. is impedent because they can't even prevent this War. You have idiots that are drunk with power and their delusions of grandeur. It is more evidence of the fault in man. One of my favorite Documentary films is the fall of the Third Reich. I find documentaries in History very enlightening, because it exposes how fools repeat the same mistakes. Apparently they weren't as super as they thought.
Excellent, succinct and well argued. Your right, many of us in the west no longer buy the nonsense spewed by our so called governments. One day, hopefully in my life time there will be enough people in the west who understand what is going on to create a critical mass of people who are prepared to peacefully carry out a sustained campaign of non conformance.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)The all people on this planet who just want to have the same liberty that you have, and wish the USA to help them, even If they understand that you have your own problems, and that your possibilities are not illimited, especially in face of your own contradictions of developpement.
Today, everywhere we are looking at you.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)jessie04
(1,528 posts)A heartless war criminal thug who has murdered 70,000 of his own people or rebel "activists" that include the barbarous al-queda that threaten to make syria into ANOTHER islamist repressive state.
TG israel did the right thing. The world owes it a big thank you.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Everybody know that every country act by their interest. But anyway, in desperate time even interest help Is welcome.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)One wonders how many Syrian lives were saved by this.
David__77
(24,500 posts)There will be blow back against the US by these terrorists nurtured by the West, but the more that are annihilated, the fewer will "come home to roost."
John2
(2,730 posts)I disagree. I don't owe Israel anything. Israel's very existence depends on the United States. It did not exist until after World War II. And if you want to find existence before that, you have to go back to the Ancient World, even before the times of the Roman Empire. Even then, it was Palestine. Whatever Israel did was for their own self interest and not even for the United States. We do not need Israel to fight our battles.
And as far as the 70,000 casualties you mention, it is easy to cloud facts. Even in our own Civil War, the losing side accused our President for causing the Deaths of over 600,000 Americans to preserve the Union. Of course that was not the case, because the participants on both sides were fighting for a cause. Your statement suggests, that the forces fighting for Assad, were murdered by him also. Among those 600,000 Americans that died in that War, some of them fought against slavery, while at the same time, many on the opposing side fought against what they thought was an oppressive Government.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)David__77
(24,500 posts)They might get lucky before they get killed.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Those couple very targeted strikes took out 100s of Assads elite military, and stockpile of the weapons from Iran, and the main chemical weapon facility. Next time they won't miss Assad and they won't need some yahoo wearing a vest.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Or Inchallah.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Most of the times I dont. Also sometimes I think there no difference between reality and God. But anyway I respect more the human liberty of conscience than my own position on the subject. Also, I want to ask you to forgive me If I make you feel that I'm imposing on you a metaphysic position that you dont relate to. It was most of all just an expression.
About the "horrors", you have to know that I got, immediatelly after I make the sentence, the intuition that its was not great to imply God in an execution.
But then after I just said to myself : Ha FUCK-OFF!
Thank's to correct me.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)another pushover dictator, the winds of freedom, all the opposition needs is some money, all the opposition needs is some small arms, there are plenty of arms in Libya, all the opposition needs is some antiaircraft missiles . . .
MADem
(135,425 posts)This is very strong language for a nation's PM. It's certainly true, but it is strong language nonetheless.
I think the clock of inevitability is ticking for The Big Basher.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)See, that's the funny thing about these strongarm dictator-types. They're shits, but they're also the nation's self-destruct button. You mash it, and the whole place goes absolutely to hell. Power consolidation tends to make transfers of power more or less impossible.
So, who's next in line? His son flew through a windshield a good while back, so that's no good. "The generals?" Oh yeah, there's a good idea, since Baath protocols basically put the heads of the armed forces in competition against each other specifically to keep them from challenging the President's power. You want all the Warlord-state chaos of Afghanistan, but aren't real keen on mountains, well, there's your next best thing, folks.
So that's leaving... who, exactly? The rebels? You mean those Salafist freaks who apparently used nerve gas quite recently? Yeah that's just who we all want in power. If the goal is to reduce the number of Syrian deaths, you don't want these folks in charge. So why are Israel and the US supporting these guys? Maybe because terrorist option B is Hezbollah. Fewer dead Syrians perhaps, but 100% chance of Golan becoming a battleground again.
Regime change is tricky stuff, and the nations most fond of it aren't so good at "change" so much as "toppling, then fucking off like nothing happened."
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I can't just off hand think what else they could do to make that happen. This has got everything.
eissa
(4,238 posts)is like getting a lesson in Neurology from Paris Hilton. When they can own up to the horrific genocide they perpetrated, then maybe their words can carry some weight.