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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:07 AM May 2013

IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups

Source: Associated Press

The Internal Revenue Service is apologizing for inappropriately flagging conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.

Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS unit that oversees tax-exempt groups, said organizations that included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status were singled out for additional reviews.

Lerner said the practice, initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati, was wrong and she apologized while speaking at a conference in Washington.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apologizes-targeting-conservative-groups

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IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups (Original Post) Newsjock May 2013 OP
What prompted this woman to apologize for the IRS taking a closer TheDebbieDee May 2013 #1
If they're targeting their attention to a certain type of group, is that acceptable? n/t hughee99 May 2013 #7
What if they'd been targeting the NAACP, or the ACLU, premium May 2013 #9
They probably have targeted those groups in the past. They probably found nothing. JDPriestly May 2013 #17
I'm quite sure that the IRS, under Nixon, Raygun, Bush, premium May 2013 #20
dear lois, shove your fuckin apology. russspeakeasy May 2013 #32
Targeting requests associated with a particular political stance is unacceptable Yo_Mama May 2013 #39
Koch-sponsored propaganda outfits OnyxCollie May 2013 #2
The opposite of what should be done. hobbit709 May 2013 #3
You think the IRS should be used to target the opposition? former9thward May 2013 #14
Apologizing for everything is the problem. hobbit709 May 2013 #24
are they ever going to apologize for targeting progressives, pro-peace groups, etc? niyad May 2013 #4
Oh Please. blackspade May 2013 #5
Who on the left is being targeted? former9thward May 2013 #15
Here is one.... blackspade May 2013 #21
You had to go to some obscure church in 2004 .... former9thward May 2013 #27
Buddy, I just posted the first of several links from a simple google search. blackspade May 2013 #29
someone should take a look at the thousands of tax-free political "charities" Sunlei May 2013 #6
That is who they were looking at. So-called social welfare organizations under IRC section 501(c)(4) Dollface May 2013 #11
Take a look at the church's russspeakeasy May 2013 #8
dead on n/t Psephos May 2013 #34
Well, a very large portion of the so called CONservative movement JEB May 2013 #10
There is nothing to apologize for. Its their job. Dollface May 2013 #12
Let's look at what that article DOES NOT say. sofa king May 2013 #13
^thanks for explaining that..eom Kolesar May 2013 #19
? Dr. Strange May 2013 #35
Unbefuckinglievable. forestpath May 2013 #16
I guess the IRS was getting a little too close to deciphering Blue_Tires May 2013 #18
I see nothing wrong with targeting groups that are totally opposed to the very concept of taxation. kestrel91316 May 2013 #22
The fail is strong in this post Seeking Serenity May 2013 #23
Nope. They're been targeting the poor for years, hounding many to bankruptcy and suicide. kestrel91316 May 2013 #25
For the thread win! NutmegYankee May 2013 #37
The I.R.S. Does Its Job kona808 May 2013 #26
Aloha! KamaAina May 2013 #30
Mahalo nui loa kona808 May 2013 #31
(that's "thank you very much") KamaAina May 2013 #33
I dont have a problem as long as they keep an eye on left-wing groups too davidn3600 May 2013 #36
I have a question Jake Izzy May 2013 #28
NBC Nightly News covers story, cuts to Limbaugh bloviating. moondust May 2013 #38
 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
1. What prompted this woman to apologize for the IRS taking a closer
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:11 AM
May 2013

look at suspected tax cheats? That's what they're supposed to do!

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
9. What if they'd been targeting the NAACP, or the ACLU,
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:46 AM
May 2013

or Planned Parenthood, would you still be saying the same thing?
Targeting a certain political belief, whether liberal or conservative, is plain wrong and shouldn't be tolerated.

BTW, no where in the story did they say that the investigations had anything to do with tax cheats.
Did you even bother to read the story?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. They probably have targeted those groups in the past. They probably found nothing.
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:21 PM
May 2013

But they should not be targeting any groups or individuals based on ideas.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
20. I'm quite sure that the IRS, under Nixon, Raygun, Bush,
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:30 PM
May 2013

did target liberal org., but I agree with you, targeting a group or org. because of their political beliefs is just plain wrong and stinks to high heaven of McCarthyism.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
39. Targeting requests associated with a particular political stance is unacceptable
Fri May 10, 2013, 08:07 PM
May 2013

If some IRS office routinely did this to NAACP chapters, or local Democratic-associated groups, or all Jewish charitable/religious groups, I would hope you would perceive that it was a wrongful exercise of governmental authority.

It is not as if the IRS hasn't been used politically before, and it is something that we should always protest against.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
2. Koch-sponsored propaganda outfits
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:15 AM
May 2013

must not be deprived of their "right" to substitute taxable issue advertising for tax-exempt image advertising at no cost.

Please accept our apologies!

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
3. The opposite of what should be done.
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:19 AM
May 2013

Oh no, we can't be offending the opposition, they might not like it.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
14. You think the IRS should be used to target the opposition?
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:13 PM
May 2013

That was one of the impeachment counts brought against Nixon.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
27. You had to go to some obscure church in 2004 ....
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:30 PM
May 2013

To make your claim that the left is being targeted by the IRS? Yeah that really proves it....

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
29. Buddy, I just posted the first of several links from a simple google search.
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:45 PM
May 2013

If you can't be bothered to look into it yourself, then that is your problem.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
6. someone should take a look at the thousands of tax-free political "charities"
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:29 AM
May 2013

I bet most are fronts for the RW wealthy so they can "donate" to their personal Gov. hate-fest- and get a huge tax deducation for donating to a "charity". And get their buddies and the little minions huge paychecks with great benefits.

Dollface

(1,590 posts)
11. That is who they were looking at. So-called social welfare organizations under IRC section 501(c)(4)
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:54 AM
May 2013

They say they're providing information to the public but it is blatant propaganda. The groups being investigated are more like lobbying groups and donations to them should not be tax deductible.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
10. Well, a very large portion of the so called CONservative movement
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:53 AM
May 2013

is a money grubbing enterprise. The remaining portion is bowel movement.

Dollface

(1,590 posts)
12. There is nothing to apologize for. Its their job.
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:56 AM
May 2013

Also, they didn't look only at reich-wing organizations. It just seemed that way because there are so many more of them than normal-wing organizations.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
13. Let's look at what that article DOES NOT say.
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:11 PM
May 2013

The article does not say whether charges were levied or subsequently dropped. The article does not say that the inquiries yielded no evidence of wrongdoing. The article does not mention Karl Rove's Virginia-based groups which are currently defending themselves from FEC ethics complaints.

I wonder why an article like this would fail to answer such important and obvious questions?

Dr. Strange

(25,920 posts)
35. ?
Fri May 10, 2013, 05:24 PM
May 2013
About 75 groups were inappropriately targeted. None had their tax-exempt status revoked, Lerner said.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. I guess the IRS was getting a little too close to deciphering
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:23 PM
May 2013

the right wing's byzantine system of collecting/funneling/washing/dispersing perfectly "legal" campaign and PAC funds; so the RW shadow groups make a call to their minions in congress to tell the IRS to drop it and apologize or else...

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
22. I see nothing wrong with targeting groups that are totally opposed to the very concept of taxation.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:08 PM
May 2013

That would be the teabaggers, libertarians, and probably most republicans these days.

They are, after all, more likely to cheat - because they feel taxes are evil.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
25. Nope. They're been targeting the poor for years, hounding many to bankruptcy and suicide.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:24 PM
May 2013

Time for the shoe to be on the other foot.

 

kona808

(41 posts)
26. The I.R.S. Does Its Job
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:55 PM
May 2013

The NYTimes endorsed this practice last year so there should be no need for the IRS to apologize!

Taxpayers should be encouraged by complaints from Tea Party chapters applying for nonprofit tax status at being asked by the Internal Revenue Service to prove they are “social welfare” organizations and not the political activists they so obviously are.
Such I.R.S. inquiries are long overdue and should be applied across the board to the growing number of organizations, allied with the major political parties, that are also ludicrously posing as “social welfare” groups. Legitimate social welfare organizations are allowed limited political activity. But these political offshoots are using that tax status in a transparent ploy to keep big donors secret while funneling the money to campaigns. Chief among these groups are American Crossroads, the campaign machine created by Republican guru Karl Rove, and Priorities USA, the Democratic counterpart founded by former White House aides, now openly encouraged by President Obama as he runs for re-election.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/opinion/the-irs-does-its-job.html?_r=1&

If you have nothing to hide you have no reason to complain.
 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
36. I dont have a problem as long as they keep an eye on left-wing groups too
Fri May 10, 2013, 05:41 PM
May 2013

If they are targeting ONLY one side, that looks like political intimidation...something you usually find pretty common in dictatorships and corrupt regimes.

We accuse and bash Putin in Russia of such practices. If we are doing the same thing here, we look like hypocrites.

 

Jake Izzy

(130 posts)
28. I have a question
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:31 PM
May 2013

From the link provided in OP: "In some cases, groups were asked for their list of donors, which violates IRS policy in most cases, she said."

Is the request for a list of donors a violation of IRS policy in this case? It's worthless to know that this is a violation in "most cases" if we are not told whether there is a violation in the case being discussed. What a poorly written news article.

moondust

(19,979 posts)
38. NBC Nightly News covers story, cuts to Limbaugh bloviating.
Fri May 10, 2013, 07:26 PM
May 2013

Dear NBC: Cutting away to Rush Limbaugh making his usual wild, conspiratorial accusations does not help your credibility as a news organization.

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