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Judi Lynn

(160,508 posts)
Mon May 13, 2013, 05:09 PM May 2013

Guantánamo hunger strikers subject to harsh new method of force feeding

Source: Guardian

Guantánamo hunger strikers subject to harsh new method of force feeding

Lawyers for inmates say humiliating body searches instituted for prisoners who wish to talk to their representatives

Matt Williams in New York
guardian.co.uk, Monday 13 May 2013 15.18 EDT

Hunger-strikers being force fed at Guantánamo Bay are shackled to a chair, fitted with a mask and have tubes inserted through their nose and into their stomachs for up to two hours at a time, according to revised guidelines in use at the camp.

The guidelines, which were updated after the latest protest by inmates began in February, detail the process of involuntary feeding and how after the sessions, detainees are kept in a "dry cell" to prevent them vomiting. News of the 30-page Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) manual – which was first published on Monday, by al-Jazeera, and has since been confirmed to be genuine by the US military – comes amid fresh questions over the ethics of force-feeding protesters at the prison.

It comes as consortium of human rights activists, pressure groups and law bodies issued a direct plea to US defense secretary Chuck Hagel to end the practice of force feeding at Guantanamo Bay.

Signed by 20 organisations including the American Civil Liberties Union, Human Rights Watch, the Center for Constitutional Rights and NYU School of Law's Global Justice Clinic, the letter to Hagel says the force-feeding of competent prisoners constitutes "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment".


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/13/guantanamo-bay-hunger-strike-forced-feeding

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Guantánamo hunger strikers subject to harsh new method of force feeding (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2013 OP
K&R DeSwiss May 2013 #1
This is awful. oldandhappy May 2013 #2
We should vow that, one day, no matter how many years or decades hence, The Stranger May 2013 #3
Amen sikofit3 May 2013 #13
Pres Obama on start of 2nd term: 'You start thinking about history and a longer sweep of time" dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #4
He is the Commander-in-Chief..... DeSwiss May 2013 #18
When it comes to Guantanamo, the US government IS Ariel Castro. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #5
The difference is total immunity. tblue May 2013 #16
What's this "total immunity" of which you speak? "Sovereign Immunity" covers it, Constitutionally! sir pball May 2013 #49
K&R. nt OnyxCollie May 2013 #6
WTF is wrong with this administration? blackspade May 2013 #7
I know. tblue May 2013 #17
Torture is now legal in the U.S. Kelvin Mace May 2013 #8
Kept in this chair until enlightenment May 2013 #9
Either this torture chair was fabricated on site.... blackspade May 2013 #22
It's a combination of a standard prison restraining chair and an ambulance neck brace. Sirveri May 2013 #29
I'd imagine it's what they use for unresponsive critical anorexics.. sir pball May 2013 #50
Can Nobel prizes be rescinded? Pterodactyl May 2013 #10
shameful Kali May 2013 #11
There is no rationale to defend this. rug May 2013 #12
K&R Solly Mack May 2013 #14
Question. Should the government then just let them commit suicide by starving themselves? cstanleytech May 2013 #15
If that's their wish, yes. Demit May 2013 #19
No, they should let them go. Ash_F May 2013 #20
Yes. blackspade May 2013 #21
Really? Could you quote the relevant law that now allows the president cstanleytech May 2013 #28
Really? Is he the commander in chief?? blackspade May 2013 #32
Either you arent a US Citizen or if you are you failed a couple of classes in school. cstanleytech May 2013 #33
Wow. blackspade May 2013 #43
The fail is on you because congress does play a part. cstanleytech May 2013 #44
Yawn.... blackspade May 2013 #46
So, by humane you mean he just should be letting them starve to death? nt cstanleytech May 2013 #47
False dichotomy. The Stranger May 2013 #23
Remember these are NOT convicted felons NOR Prisoners of War happyslug May 2013 #24
Hey I agree they should be tried or released, congress is the one that doesnt. nt cstanleytech May 2013 #27
I agree too temmer May 2013 #37
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #38
It's the Rethugs fault...they're the ones who won't fund their release. Airline tickets cost money. Auntie Bush May 2013 #39
Actually it is their fault but I think its mainly that they are using the people held there cstanleytech May 2013 #40
You then believe there are two and only two options available? LanternWaste May 2013 #25
More like I am wondering if anyone here has any other viable solutions keeping in mind things like cstanleytech May 2013 #26
Let them die with dignity, like Terry Schiavo. Many of them have already been "released" riderinthestorm May 2013 #45
absolutely horrible Close Gitmo lovuian May 2013 #30
Obama agrees with you cstanleytech May 2013 #34
Except that he doesn't do anything about it. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #36
Question is though is it cstanleytech May 2013 #41
Again, Rethugs won't fund a transfer to a state prison...or anywhere else. Auntie Bush May 2013 #42
K&R woo me with science May 2013 #31
. libodem May 2013 #35
Al Jazeera first published the full document alp227 May 2013 #48
Where is the honor of the we-were-just-following-orders guards? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #51
these "Doctors" should lose their credentials riverwalker May 2013 #52

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
3. We should vow that, one day, no matter how many years or decades hence,
Mon May 13, 2013, 05:20 PM
May 2013

that anyone and everyone involved with Guantanamo Bay be brought to justice.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. Pres Obama on start of 2nd term: 'You start thinking about history and a longer sweep of time"
Mon May 13, 2013, 05:20 PM
May 2013

Mr. President, you are going to need a much bigger sweep of time to dispel the continuing torture at Gitmo.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
18. He is the Commander-in-Chief.....
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:38 AM
May 2013

...of all the Armed Forces. It's his decision whether to keep them there or let them go.

Any caveats to this reality are just excuses.

There are no precedents to follow because we've never done anything this sick before.

What we lack most sorely in America, indeed the world is, leadership.

And the reason we can't find it is because we keep looking for it in the wrong place.

- Because it must first be found inside ourselves......



''The ultimate weapon isn't this plague out in Vegas, or any new super H-bomb. The ultimate weapon has always existed. Every man, every woman, and every child owns it. It's the ability to say No and take the consequences.'' - Hagbard Celine, Leviathan

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
5. When it comes to Guantanamo, the US government IS Ariel Castro.
Mon May 13, 2013, 05:23 PM
May 2013

Mass kidnappings.

Holding people prisoner for a decade.

Subjecting them to horrorific abuses.

What's the difference, except the US government is more efficient than Mr. Castro.

sir pball

(4,740 posts)
49. What's this "total immunity" of which you speak? "Sovereign Immunity" covers it, Constitutionally!
Sat May 18, 2013, 08:51 PM
May 2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States

In the United States, the federal government has sovereign immunity and may not be sued unless it has waived its immunity or consented to suit. See Gray v. Bell, 712 F.2d 490, 507 (D.C. Cir. 1983). The United States has waived sovereign immunity to a limited extent, mainly through the Federal Tort Claims Act, which waives the immunity if a tortious act of a federal employee causes damage, and the Tucker Act, which waives the immunity over claims arising out of contracts to which the federal government is a party. The Federal Tort Claims Act and the Tucker Act are not as broad waivers of sovereign immunity as they might appear, as there are a number of statutory exceptions and judicially fashioned limiting doctrines applicable to both. Title 28 U.S.C. § 1331 confers federal question jurisdiction on district courts, but this statute has been held not to be a blanket waiver of sovereign immunity on the part of the federal government.


I won't ever argue that it's right, but unless the Feds say you can sue them, you simply CANNOT. Same goes for most governments worldwide...they all operate with total immunity. "It's good to be King!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
7. WTF is wrong with this administration?
Mon May 13, 2013, 05:54 PM
May 2013

This is disgusting.
They might as well put these poor folks into an induced coma for the rest of their lives.
Keeping innocent people locked up, hell, keeping criminals locked up with no hope of a trial is torture.
I want to know who wrote these guidelines so they can be prosecuted for war crimes.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
17. I know.
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:24 AM
May 2013

I want to cry. We REALLY have to do whatever we can to change this. If those of us who care do nothing, then there is no one anywhere standing up for what's right.

I really can't stomach this administration anymore. No pun intended. I just can't stand one more enormous disappointment.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
8. Torture is now legal in the U.S.
Mon May 13, 2013, 05:55 PM
May 2013

we just don't call it torture.

We are now on the same path as every other totalitarian regime.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
22. Either this torture chair was fabricated on site....
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:53 AM
May 2013

Or the manufacturer of these chairs should be boycotted.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
29. It's a combination of a standard prison restraining chair and an ambulance neck brace.
Wed May 15, 2013, 05:57 AM
May 2013

If you watch shows about what goes on in jails you can see them placing the more 'unruly' guests in chairs that look exactly like that, except without the neck brace.

sir pball

(4,740 posts)
50. I'd imagine it's what they use for unresponsive critical anorexics..
Sat May 18, 2013, 09:22 PM
May 2013

I've heard some pretty rough stuff about how they save them. Not that this is in any way morally equivalent - just functionally.

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
15. Question. Should the government then just let them commit suicide by starving themselves?
Mon May 13, 2013, 11:57 PM
May 2013

And please, no responses of "No they should let them go" because thats a dodging the question.

Also before you even ask no I dont like that they are force feeding them nor that congress continues to refuse to allow them to be transfered into a legit court system for their cases to be heard as they should be.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
19. If that's their wish, yes.
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:10 AM
May 2013

They're living in a hell not of their own making. I imagine their situation is driving them slowly insane. I wonder what you would feel like if the government imprisoned you for years on end, then told you you were innocent, then told you that despite that fact it was never going to let you go. You might be a little less concerned about what that government's rights or moral duties were, and more concerned with your own right over what you do with your own body.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
20. No, they should let them go.
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:10 AM
May 2013

You can't start your argument from false premise.

"I'm about to commit this crime against you, how do you want it?"

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
32. Really? Is he the commander in chief??
Wed May 15, 2013, 09:49 AM
May 2013

Then he is responsible for the goings on at GITMO. Not Congress.

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
33. Either you arent a US Citizen or if you are you failed a couple of classes in school.
Wed May 15, 2013, 12:41 PM
May 2013

While it is true that he is the commander in times of war he does have limitations one of which is in the area of funding as congress has to approve funds for the military not the president but congress. Furthermore if congress states the president cannot spend the funding provided for something like transferring the prisoners in gitmo to criminal courts in the US then his hands are legally tied unless of course SCOTUS steps in and rules the action of congress as unconstitutional which I dont think they will do for a number of reasons.
So, tell me what do you believe the president can do thats legal to fix the situation keeping in mind all of the above we just discussed?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
43. Wow.
Wed May 15, 2013, 07:09 PM
May 2013
Either you arent a US Citizen or if you are you failed a couple of classes in school.


That is your response? An insult? Conversation fail.

As the Commander in Chief he has the authority to change the conditions and treatment of the detainees.
You keep throwing Congress into the mix in a way that doesn't apply.
The administration either needs to try or release these guys. Anything less is a violation of the Constitution.

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
44. The fail is on you because congress does play a part.
Wed May 15, 2013, 07:37 PM
May 2013

They are the ones that decide how the funds are spent and that includes what can and cannot be paid for regarding the prisoners in gitmo and its called the power of the purse for a reason.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
46. Yawn....
Wed May 15, 2013, 08:13 PM
May 2013

So, your saying Congress is preventing Obama from giving the prisoners humane treatment?

If so, please quote the relevant law.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
23. False dichotomy.
Tue May 14, 2013, 10:29 AM
May 2013

They should have received due process a decade ago.

Now any right to hold them has been forfeited.

Now the people who should be held (still, with due process) are those who operated Guantanamo Bay.

Every single one of them.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
24. Remember these are NOT convicted felons NOR Prisoners of War
Tue May 14, 2013, 10:31 AM
May 2013

These people are being held as "Unlawful Combatants" a term invented under George W. Bush to classify people they wanted to jail, but not give them the rights of POWs OR Felons (Felons have rights, the main right is that they get a trial).

These prisoners are now trying to force the US Government to either release them OR give them a trial. At Trial they can confront the evidence that keeps them in prison (The problem is the case of most of the prisoners there is NO evidence to confront, and thus at a trial all charges would be dismissed and they would be released, something this administration do not want).

Furthermore the Courts of the US have refused to intervene, when forced to make a ruling the courts have ruled holding the prisoners is illegal, but then refused to order they release, deferring to the President. Now the President has to do SOMETHING or he will have mass deaths on his hands. One or tow deaths he could ignore, but mass deaths, given the situation in the Middle East would be a disaster for US foreign policy.

Release them OR try them, either would satisfy these prisoners, ten years in jail without a trial is uncalled for, yet that is what these prisoners have endured.

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
40. Actually it is their fault but I think its mainly that they are using the people held there
Wed May 15, 2013, 06:50 PM
May 2013

as the big bad boogie man to sow fear and terror in order to manipulate the republican base.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
25. You then believe there are two and only two options available?
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:58 PM
May 2013

Your premise seems to indicate you believe there are two and only two options available-- starvation or forced feeding? You then believe there are two and only two options available?

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
26. More like I am wondering if anyone here has any other viable solutions keeping in mind things like
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:23 PM
May 2013

the current political situation with our nation being held virtual hostage to the whim of the republicans in congress as well as the reality that the president cannot just order x solution done at a whim, so if you or others have real solutions and not fantasy land ones by all means offer them up as I would be interested to hear them.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
45. Let them die with dignity, like Terry Schiavo. Many of them have already been "released"
Wed May 15, 2013, 07:45 PM
May 2013

but don't have a place to go so they are in a virtual no-man's land. Hopeless.

Yes, Obama will have the stigma attached to his record forever. As he should. The situation at Guantanamo should have been resolved asap after he was elected the FIRST time.

Just like Sands forever tarred Margaret Thatcher, so should Guantanamo detainees dying forever tar Obama.

The situation is untenable. The torture NOW proceeding with the force feeding is horrific.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
36. Except that he doesn't do anything about it.
Wed May 15, 2013, 02:27 PM
May 2013

If Congress won't pay to keep them in the US, let 'em go.

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
41. Question is though is it
Wed May 15, 2013, 06:53 PM
May 2013

within his power as president to ignore congress and us federal funds to have them released?

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
42. Again, Rethugs won't fund a transfer to a state prison...or anywhere else.
Wed May 15, 2013, 07:08 PM
May 2013

They won't allow funds for a trial and they don't give a crap whether they are guilty or innocent.

Why can't a military transport plane take them to a central European location...Then their country of origin can pick them up and take them home at their own expense. We should be able to afford to do that. Hell...If we had to... take up a collection. We NEED to get these men out of our country alive.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
51. Where is the honor of the we-were-just-following-orders guards?
Sat May 18, 2013, 09:43 PM
May 2013

Are they so cowardly that they would follow the orders of their "superiors" for this shameful treatment?

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
52. these "Doctors" should lose their credentials
Sat May 18, 2013, 10:12 PM
May 2013

and NEVER be allowed to practice medicine again. We need to start a petition to the AMA to strip these sadists of their medical liscenses.

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