Rep Cohen D-TN confronts AG Holder on Don Siegelman's case

[laserhaas]

Last edited Fri May 17, 2013, 06:47 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: C-SPAN

During questions on the troubling matters of the Administration's Department of Justice Program; Representive Cohen from Tenn. queried Eric Holder about the Governor Siegelman case.

This is excerpt/transcribe of the video discussion.

00:02:15 I WOULD LIKE TO QUELL YOU ABOUT A FEW ISSUES THAT BOTHER ME.
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00:02:18 THE FORMER ALABAMA GOVERNOR DON SIEGELMAN WHO WAS THE GOVERNOR OF ALABAMA AND PROBABLY THE LAST DEMOCRAT STATEWIDE OFFICIAL THERE IN THE PAST AND MAYBE IN THE FUTURE FOR A LONG TIME.
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00:02:30 HE TRIED TO GET A LOTTERY IN HIS STATE WIT I DID IN TENNESSEE AND KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS.
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00:02:35 IN SO DOING, HE FOUND HIMSELF IN COURT AND CONVICTED IN A JAIL AND A CASE IN WHICH AN UNPRECEDENTED 113 FORMER ATTORNEYS GENERALS, REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT REPRESENTING 44 OF THE 55 STATES HAVE SAID HIS PROSECUTION WAS A GRAVE INJUSTICE.
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00:02:54 JUST A NUMEROUS AMOUNT OF LEGAL EXPERTS HAVE SAID IT WAS A GRAVE INJUSTICE AND THAT THE PROSECUTION SHOULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN PLACE BECAUSE THE U.
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00:03:02 S. ATTORNEY, A BUSH APPOINTEE, WAS THE WIFE OF THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER OF HIS OPPONENT IN A JUBORIAL ELECTION AND THAT WHILE WE RECUE RECUED HERSELF, SHE STAYED INVOLVED.
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00:03:15 I KNOW THERE ARE PROCEDURAL ISSUES ABOUT A MUCH CUE MISSIONTATION.
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00:03:21 EACH DAY HE'S IN PRISON IN MY OPINION IS A GRAVE INJUSTICE.
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For those of you who haven't been following the Governor Siegelman case; he was RailRoaded by Karl Rove and Alabama U.S. Attorney Canary. I'm still too new to DU - and have no idea how to "embed" the video. Please go to this link ( http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4451382 ) at the C-SPAN website (which also transcribes the conversation).
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The Petition, by his daughter, requesting President Obama give a Pardon to Governor Siegelman is linked ( HERE ).

Governor Siegelman's daughter is the lead advocate for her dad's release with a FaceBook page ( HERE ).

Civil Rights leader Rev. Shuttlesworth = who was companion to Martin Luther King Jr /Rosa Parks - supports the quest to free Governor Siegelman. The Reverend held Governor Siegelman's wife hand in court (see more details - HERE ).
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GWB and Karl Rove WIN - as long as Governor Siegelman is incarcerated unrighteously.

This injustice and abuse of power - is INTOLERABLE!

This is one injustice we should not stand idle by and allow to transpire. It only serves GWB and Rove. For that reason alone, we should rally the troops together and demand freedom for Governor Siegelman.

Just think of the good this man will do for U.S. - upon his proper - long overdue - Release?

If you haven't already done so - Please sign the Petition ( HERE ) and help others do the same;
Governor Siegelman's release is a knife in GWB and Rove's ebol heart!

NOTE: If someone could please instruct me in the comments section - how to embed the video - I'd appreciate it!

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Thanks to Comments and DU - Dana Siegelman's FB Group provided us this
YouTube video of her interview with Tom Hartmann

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[big][big]UPDATE[/big][/big]
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This is a letter from our FB Friend on the Governor Siegelman Page

Thanking Representative Cohen.

Wrote a letter to Congressman Cohen, thanking him for his questioning Eric Holder on Governor Siegelman's case. I'd like to see the Backbone Campaign give him a Backbone Award! He certainly deserves one!
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May 16, 2013
Congressman Steve Cohen
Tennessee, 9th District
2404 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Congressman Cohen,

By asking Attorney General Eric Holder about the Governor Don Siegelman case, and kindly requesting that he take action on this long overdue issue, you have become a hero to many Americans.

It is an atrocity that this case was ever tried in the first place, but that it could have gone as far as it has, with so much glaring truth to the criminality being committed by the prosecutors, the judge and the nefarious Karl Rove and Bill Canary, should be a stark revelation to anyone as to how far off course our justice system has strayed.

Those people are only part of the list who should be investigated when our leaders take a serious look at this case. When this happens America will see how our justice system has been used to destroy innocent lives and pad the power and pockets of countless people with malevolent intent.

Congressman Cohen, I hope this will be your first step in embarking on a path to justice for Gov. Siegelman. Nothing can be done to give back this last decade they have taken from him, but something must be done to give him back the rest of his life.

I hope you will ask your colleagues to join you in extending your request to President Obama. It is time for him to do what he must to end this miscarriage of justice.

Thank you so much for asking Attorney General Holder, but please don’t let that fall by the wayside, as it has been an impossible climb to get the attention of the Attorney General and the President in this matter. I believe Mr. Holder’s answer to you completely dodged all responsibility. He has been dodging it as long as he has been in office and it is time for that to end.

As President Obama has the power to grant a pardon for Gov. Siegelman, it is time for the Justice Department to step back and let the President do the right thing.

Tell us what we can do to help you to put your request front and center so that the unjustly imprisoned Governor will be free and justice can begin to be restored.

I will write my representative, Congresswoman Terri Sewell to ask that she stand with you in this request.

Sincerely,

Sharron Williams
Birmingham, AL

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Anyone wishing to join the Free Governor Siegelman FB Page - please let me know - they just made me Administrator!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/340850189332843/
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[morningfog]

1. Recommend!

[laserhaas]

2. THX!

[Enrique]

3. this is at least as newsworthy as anything else at that hearing

but it doesn't fit into the narrative of the media or either party. thanks for posting!

edit: here's the video

[laserhaas]

9. Thanks - I learn this stuff soon enough

So dang busy right now.
(and an old fart too)

But - I'm trying.

appreciate it.

[Freddie Stubbs]

86. Perhaps if he had spent less time ranting about weed he could have gotten more answers from the AG

[RainDog]

4. You can only embed YouTube vids

and to do so, you just copy and paste. no need for tags.

thanks for the thread. quite a few people here followed the Siegelman trial (I was just one of their readers.) So, thanks for the update.

[laserhaas]

11. Your welcome. Am I able (inept as I am) - to repost on Youtube

and then put it here?

[RainDog]

48. yeah, if you have a youtube acct. n/t

[SunSeeker]

5. Obama should pardon Siegelman. As Holder noted, the President's power to pardon is absolute.

And he is not running again, so WTF? Why won't Obama pardon him?

[laserhaas]

15. He does want Holder suggests - unless we force the issue.

Holder is a tool of special interest.

One of Obama's major mistakes.

[Freddie Stubbs]

87. Perhaps he believes that Siegelman is guilty and deserves to be punished

[jonthebru]

6. Powerful stuff!

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4451382

He touches a lot in this rant.
So the President can pardon Governor Siegelman; lets let him know that he should do just that... today.

[laserhaas]

16. Concur - times a wasting - we need

Governor Siegelman out NOW!

[lucca18]

7. Thank you for posting this...

So sad that he is still in prison. Such injustice!!!

[laserhaas]

17. Thank you for taking the time to read.

Everyone helps make it a more prominent issue.

[byeya]

8. Thanks for the thread. It's always appropriate to highlight such a terrible miscarriage of justice.

[laserhaas]

18. If we can't get this one addressed and corrected

then there truly is No Hope for Justice!

[OnyxCollie]

10. K&R for Don Siegelman. nt

[laserhaas]

19. And I know he deeply appreciates that OnyxCollie

appreciate the help!

[navarth]

12. SIGNED.

I hear about Gov. Siegelman on Thom Hartmann all the time. A great injustice. Disgraceful.

[laserhaas]

22. Do you have any links to Hartmann's show?

I can post them on FB (Siegelman) Groups

If they are not already there.

[navarth]

88. Sure

Thomhartmann.com is the main web site, but you can go to whiterosesociety.org and look at the archives of thom's shows. I believe there's a description for each segment. You could probably email thom directly too, he's a strong advocate for gov. Seigelman.

Sorry for bad typing this is on my phone. Best of luck

[laserhaas]

96. THX

[Mr. Evil]

81. Hmmm...

There seems to be a lot of "disgraceful" going around lately.

I've read quite a bit about this case and my thoughts are simple; malicious prosecution based on absolute fraud. Gov. Siegelman should never have gone through this and the people responsible are, so far, free and clear. Why? And why hasn't AG extraordinaire, Eric Holder, done anything about this? Why won't President Obama address this and pardon this man? I guess someone else actually does give the orders. They must have been very afraid that Gov. Siegleman would have run for president (and most likely would have won) and would have been a very good one. This isn't just sad, its sick.

[laserhaas]

93. It is as if we don't exist anymore. Peons/masses don't matter

the powers that be can simply engage in Above the Law endeavors without remorse or relent.

Because - we're all too busy making ends meet - to get seriously involved.

[rhett o rick]

13. Is it my imagination or does a certain very vocal group here in DU go silent when the subject of Gov

Siegelman is brought up. At the minimum I would hope they could wish him well.

[laserhaas]

20. Abject silence serves no good purpose.

Be that as it may

There's many a GREAT DU'r here - and - Together

We DO make a difference!

[OrwellwasRight]

23. Which certain vocal group?

Is it the" Obama is perfect and anybody that dares criticize him is a communist destroying our party" crowd?

[laserhaas]

27. Obama isn't perfect and gets blamed for hiring imperfect people.

You become POTUS - you have a million decisions to make.

Who gets what position - when, then, next etc.

Your advisors inform you - whom you owe - and, as POTUS, you check-n-balance as best you can.

It should always be country 1st - over party - and a JFK POTUS that isn't afraid to admit mistakes.

NOBODY - is Perfect.

It takes having mistakes;
to LEARN from them!

But you do desire to have as little mistakes as possible;
being that there are so many you are responsible for and to!

[rhett o rick]

49. You're way off. They never mention communist. TeaParty Liberal is their current attempt at insult.

You would think a good Democrat would at least recognize that Gov Siegelman got railroaded by Bush/Rove and wish him well. But since "followers" are uncertain how the PRESIDENT feels, they must keep quiet for fear of saying something out of line (the Party Line).

[AnotherMcIntosh]

68. Generally, IMO, the ones who are silent on this and other issues of injustice

are the self-appointed spokesmen for what they claim constitutes the liberal/progressive view with respect to firearm ownership.

IMO, some liberal/progressive Democrats own firearms while others do not.

It's odd, however, that there seems to be an absence of posts by such persons when injustices, such as the incarceration of Siegelman, are brought up.

[laserhaas]

69. They KNOW the "FIX" is "IN" and consider it a waste of time.

But -

"Can't never could - until it tried"

[bvar22]

14. At the very top of Holder's "To Do" list after being appointed Attorney General.....

...was the get corrupt Republican Ted Stevens (Former Senator, Alaska) cleared of all charges.

But Former Democratic Governor Don Siegleman?
never heard of him.

[laserhaas]

21. You won't believe this - but Ted Stevens death is connected down yonder - to the crooked judge

over the Siegelman case.

Judge Fuller had ties to big oil (made hundreds of millions).

When Ted Stevens plane went down - you will never guess who was on it (and survived).

The Stevens case was all about the oil (Rothschild's) getting our military fuel contract away from Boeing ($35 billion a year)

Senator McBain (McCain) made a deal to allow Airbus to have an American sub corp in AlaBAMeeee

O'Keefe and his son - who were part of that deal - were on the plane when Senator Stevens died

Coincidently - they both survived.....

N'est-ce pas!

(I'm just sayin............ Rove/ Cheney and Big Oil games A-playin.......)

[Freddie Stubbs]

85. The Judge in the Stevens case ruled that prosecutors had concealed exculpatory evidence

Has the judge in the Siegelman case, or any other judges for that matter, ruled that there was any prosecutorial misconduct?

[laserhaas]

95. No - because the cases are rigged. In a legit world, judge Fuller would be recused

and never EVER had been allowed to be involved in presiding over the Siegelman case.

Judge Fuller has contracts with the FBI and caused FBI agents to be in the courtroom during Siegelman's case.

Fuller also makes money out of Big OIL.

Being that Senator Stevens went down in a plane crash - where O'Keefe (the Alabama head of Rothschild's EADS entity) survived. Compounded by all the other evidence;

and you can see that power plays here are extraordinary and

Machivellian!

[Freddie Stubbs]

139. Siegelman has had plenty of time to appeal on the basis of Fuller's impartiality

He hasn't been able to convince one single appellate judge on that.

[laserhaas]

143. Your argument is not dispositive sir.

Fuller is corrupt and a CIA power elite.

Arguing that the Gov has no case - versus no chase of getting case specifics heard.

The hardest thing to get addressed in this nation of ours

is violations by Judges of our citizenry via arbitrary/capricious rulings fracturing 18 U.S.C. 242

"Color of Law"

[silvershadow]

24. Wow. And from Tennessee too? Bump. nt

[laserhaas]

28. Yes - ain't it fantastic. Someone should start a thread/petition

to thank Rep Cohen

for standing Tall!

[summerschild]

35. Cohen is my Congressman.

The TN Republican congress critters are embarrassments not only to TN but to mankind.

(Corker, Alexander, Marsha Blackburn)

[laserhaas]

37. Rove clonies - let's give them all their own Romney planet

Rocket Ship the thieving frkr's to Planet Moroni

the Idiota's

(Joseph Smith had a weird sense of sardonic humor)

[reflection]

90. Yep. Mine too. And he is outstanding. n/t

[The Blue Flower]

25. A most egregious injustice

I have thought of Governor Siegelman's case as the canary in the coal re: this administration's commitment to see justice done. It's been a huge disappointment that a witch hunt this blatant, this political, has not been undone yet after all these years.

[laserhaas]

29. Apropos is the "Canary" reference (don't cha know)!

Jill Simpson worked with Karl Rove and has testified (losing everything);
about how US Attorney Canary lied - when she claim she was no longer involved in the Siegelman case.

[NaturalHigh]

26. Wow, I had no idea Siegelman was still in jail.

[laserhaas]

30. Well - you know now - Please help spread the word

Let's free Governor Siegelman

and help nail the Karl Rove turd!

[mountain grammy]

31. Good for Cohen for raising this question.

Write, call, sign, recommend. Thanks for posting.

[laserhaas]

34. Appreciate MuCH

THX - mountain grammy

[MotherPetrie]

32. K&R

[laserhaas]

33. THX

[asjr]

36. Let's hope something gets done about this. It has gone on far too long and an

innocent man has been railroaded.

[laserhaas]

38. Concur - Just think How Great a Spokesman Siegelman will be

upon his release.

Wouldn't it rock Rove's world - if someone picked him as VP?

[asjr]

39. Yes, and just thinki what an asset he would have been changling AL into a Democratic state.l I lived

in Huntsville when he was governor.

[laserhaas]

54. Used to live in Dothan and Montgomery

It doesn't get any Red (neckee'r) than Ala'bam'ee

[asjr]

66. Oh MY I just looked at my last message and one would think I can't spell. All these flat keys

are my enemies. The older keys were just a tad higher and I could actually write on that.

[laserhaas]

67. No biggie....

[byeya]

40. Of the many positive things Siegleman could do if released is to shine a light on the

deplorable management of the federal prisons.

[laserhaas]

55. We are going to welcome him home with open and arms and much limelight

Once we stop the corruption and get him free...

[red dog 1]

41. Thanks for posting this; and thanks to Thom Hartmann too.

I've posted on the Siegelman case; and so have other DUers, including Octafish 2 weeks ago (May 1, 2013)


Good background article on the Siegelman case:
"The Curious Case of Don Siegelman"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mimi-kennedy/don-siegelman_b_1851909.html/


There have been some technical difficulties signing into Change.org
Another way to sign petition is to go to the website set up by Dana Siegelman:
http://www.donsiegelman.org/


UPDATE: May 16, 2013:
"Was AG Eric Holder Mistaken, Misleading, Or Evasive In His Answers To Congress About Siegelman Case?"
http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/

[laserhaas]

56. Yea - on the issue of Petition, I'm going to talk to Dana

We'll take that issue to a whole new level...

[red dog 1]

77. It may take a million signatures to get POTUS to pardon Gov. Siegelman

Getting that many signatures will be difficult, but not impossible.

[laserhaas]

78. We are going to switch gears and up the ante in this effort

I just finished informing Governor Siegelman's FB Group - of the efforts here.

They responded by asking me to be Administrator;
and we are going to put minds together (and get some funding) - to make things happen on the next level.

Had a GREAT conversation 20 minutes ago - with a web guy - and hope to speak with high up techy from Obama's campaign.

[Caeser67]

42. Don Siegelman

America's forgotten Political Prisoner. If he were being held in Cuba, we'll be going to War with them right now.

[laserhaas]

57. We ARE in a civil war (and the U.S. citizenry is losing on all fronts)

We must flank them with the Inflexible Sword of Truth

and slay this corruption beast unconscionable!

[AnneD]

43. Holder goes after...

the IRS for checking folks wanting to start 503's, yet let's Wall Street banksters walk even though he is handed a hot smoking gun, and lets an innocent man remain in prison while his accusers remain free. We are no longer a nation of the rule of law.

[laserhaas]

58. You're preaching to the choir on that one AnneD - I've been --

trying to get Goldman Sachs, Bain Capital and Romney investigated/indicted for a decade.

Holder and Breuer are WS bossom buddies - as far as I'm concerned.

[red dog 1]

44. Holder claims Siegelman not eligible to have his sentence commuted.

Source:
Legal Schnauzer
May 16, 2013

"US Attorney General Eric Holder yesterday said it's his understanding that former Alabama
Governor Don Siegelman has an active appeal and therefore is not eligible to have his sentence commuted."

Read more:
http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com

[KamaAina]

46. Well, couldn't they make a deal for him to drop the appeal

and in exchange have his sentence commuted?

[rhett o rick]

51. One would think. Holder is a politician. He knows how to use the rhetoric.

Holder said that the sentence couldnt be commuted because there was an active appeal. The follow up question should have been, "If the appeal was dropped, would his sentence be commuted?" Holder didnt lie, he just was very misleading.

[laserhaas]

63. If they gave him a pardon - the appeal would be moot

to a point (I have to go back a read it - Again - and see what points need follow through).

[laserhaas]

61. If I were him - I wouldn't take a deal

Giving him an unlawful prison sentence/conviction

is the same as being in prison.

He can't hold a bar card - can't do this - can't have clearance..

If we get momentum going - there's no reason for Governor Siegelman to yield.

[laserhaas]

59. The "issues" that Holder was referencing - are some

bizarro back door deal with Rove's ilk

to keep Seigelman locked away.

They didn't count on U.S. just saying

HELL NO!

[Freddie Stubbs]

142. Deal with whom?

As Mr. Holder noted, the President has near absolute authority regarding pardons. Your allegation presupposes that President Obama is a party to that agreement.

[laserhaas]

144. JFK had absolute power too.

This POTUS is wiser about going where angels fear to tread.

N'est-ce pas!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

75. "Update"

&quot Update: Joseph Siegelman, the governor's son, released the following statement on a progressive listserv in Alabama:

Yes, my dad is appealing [Judge Mark] Fuller's denial of a new trial. Nonetheless, Holder does appear to be hiding behind those in-house guidelines to avoid dealing with the case head on.)"

[laserhaas]

76. You saw what happened to Senator Ted Stevens

They make up B.S. to put him in prison (sound familiar)

He gets out.

Washington D.C. hearings require to see the "Special Prosecutor" from the Public Integrity Section

That guy (purportedly) commits suicide

Then Senator Stevens dies in a plane crash.....

And who was on board (survived that crash) - along with a son

is TELLTALE!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

82. I don't follow your line of thinking. How is this related?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

83. Thinking on this further, I'm so weary of being on defense.

Time to go on offense and go after Karl Rove and all those who conspired to send a popular Alabama Democrat to prison.

[laserhaas]

94. First of all - it's corruption that put Governor Siegelman in the precarious position.

Secondly; here's a link to a long ago DU thread on Judge Fuller (guy over Siegelman case)
He is a Rove buddy with FBI contracts and ties to Big OIL (that wanted Governor Siegelman out of their way).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022073759

Dana Jill Simpson (not the daughter of the Governor) - was a Republican attorney who worked for the Republican issues down an was part of conversations with Rove and of Rove on destroying Governor Siegelman.

Judge Fuller was assigned over the Siegelman case.

Senator Ted Stevens incarceration and ultimate demise was about OIL - the $35 Billion annual contract Boeing gets to service our military world wide. Senator Stevens was involved with Jack Abramoff's self professed partner (Johann Hamerski from Alaska) - in the infamous (miracalous) "Bridge to NoWhere" (also a road to nowhere slipped in the budget AFTER it was sealed and voted on - for Florida????)

Judge Fuller owns OIL contracts involved.

McCain, in conjunction with Rove - had a deal made with Rothschild (even illegally so when McCain was running for POTUS)
So that Rothschild Airbus could "circumvent" the legal issues preventing foreign parties from bidding on the OIL contracts, McCain arranged an "exemption" and Airbus was permitted (and did actually win the bid one year) - to have a subsidiary company in the U.S. - to take the contract away from Boeing to a company titled EADS managed by O'Keefe who was with NASA also. O'Keefe is a long time buddy and worker for Dick Cheney. Who was on the plane with a son and Senator Stevens.

Senator Stevens and 3 others died - BUT O'Keefe and his son "survived".

The Senator, unlike Governor Siegelman - was able to get released. The Special Prosecutor (hand picked by Rove) to prosecute Senator Stevens was going to be before Washington D.C. hearings on the whole affair; then he purportedly commits suicide.

Jill Simpson house was burned down and her car run off the road.

Dana Jill Simpson and the Legal Schnauzer have been active involved in the issues of getting Governor Siegelman released.

U.S. Attorney Canary, along with Jill Simpson, were ordered to destroy Governor Siegelman.

Canary's husband ran Republican issues in Alabama - including the competing GOP Gov man running against Siegelman.

It is all so Machivellian.....

LINK to the Stevens crash report http://www.adn.com/2010/08/10/1403280/five-believed-dead-in-crash-of.html


Remember - Judge Fuller would never be allowed - in a legitimate world - to preside over the Siegelman case;

Unfortunately (as my eToys Mitt Romney "retroactive" saga will show you)

We don't live in a Legitimate World!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

99. Why hasn't someone made a movie about this? Even if half is conjecture,

It would be good fodder for a film.

Meanwhile, Siegelman is wasting away in prison with no real light being shed on his case. Shining a bright pointed light is more likely to get him released than dragging a bunch of possible conspiracy players in to muddy the story and cause headaches for the innocent.

That's my take anyway.

[laserhaas]

104. I'm in SoCal now - having meetings about my film/book - with prospecitive agents/agencies

It is a bizarro world out here.

Even though the offers came to me - I must have an entertainment counsel sign off on the issues (pee's me off).

Governor Siegelman will become flooded with such - when he gets released.

Meanwhile, if my case gets justice prior to Governor Siegelman, I will fund the project myself.
(already have experience with failure of letting egos make perfect lighting and bad story telling)
http://thesecondfraud.com/Second_Fraud/Trailer.html

[okaawhatever]

119. You clearly haven't heard about the blackout that happened when 60 mins tried

to air it. Yep an accidental blackout during, and only during, the siegleman portion.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/parts-of-60-minutes-broad_b_88218.html

[laserhaas]

123. Wow - thanks okaawhatever - I'd totally forgotten about this

So much going on......

Machivellian - in the EXTREME

[KamaAina]

45. 44 of the 55 states?

Shouldn't that be "states and territories"?

[laserhaas]

60. Picky, Piky, Pik'ee

:0p

No matter how you slice it (count it)

there's a massive amount of "It ain't right" - from a bunch of important people

and something's gotta be done!

[MannyGoldstein]

47. Cohen is an idiot who hates FACTS

The FACT is that letting justice happen in Siegelman's case would DESTROY the growing trust that Republicans have for Democrats!!!

After being so awful to Republicans for so many years, we're finally making inroads. As long as we do what they want, and don't complain or change anything they've done, we'll be able to Grand Bargain the 99% TOGETHER. LET'S NOT BLOW THIS!

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

[laserhaas]

62. PUHHHLLLEAASSSEEE - you don't make deals with the Debol and give them a soul

in exchange for them "maybe" acting right.

That's Absurd logic....

A Tiger won't change its stripes!

[annabanana]

70. yeppers . . .

They won't be pulling the thread in THAT sweater anytime soon.

[laserhaas]

73. Must be from planet

Moroni

[DeSwiss]

50. I've said that Steve Cohen is the REAL DEAL......

...and I meant it.

K&R

[KamaAina]

52. And you've been right.

I visited Memphis a couple of years ago. His constituents seemed to agree.

I particularly liked his attempt to join the Congressional Black Caucus, on the grounds that his district has an African American majority.

[DeSwiss]

53. I've been watching his career.....

...since he was in the state legislature in the 80s. He won his current seat by shutting down the old Harold Ford family-faction and a black opponent.

And yes they did elect him over everyone else. All anyone has to do is listen to him for 20 minutes and they'll realize he's what a Democratic Congress person is supposed to be like.

[dreamnightwind]

84. He just blew me away on Democracy Now

I wasn't aware of him. Very impressive.

Righteous rant on legalizing herb:

http://www.democracynow.org/embed/headlines/2013/5/16

Wasn't sure how to embed their video, but the link goes straight to it.

[laserhaas]

65. Hey - no racial bias - means No Racial Bias...

I'm just sayin.......

[laserhaas]

64. THX - it is so cool that we are getting more like Liz Warren

could you imagine a fleet of Bernie Sanders, Carl Levin's and Liz Warren's

They'd just up and move to another "territory"

Would could let em have Texas - and then sit back and watch them devour one another.

[heaven05]

71. I

have followed this since the shrub was in office. I do hope he gets out soon. This was so wrong and shows corruption at it's ugliest. Rove is a lousy piece of shit!

[laserhaas]

72. Good follow, Concur - the sooner the better. Correct -a - moon'doe is nuttin Butt corruption

and you are so dang'd right

Karl Rove POS CEO extra-ordinaire!

[tblue]

79. Siegelman made NO profit off of that either.

This case has worn on my conscience since I heard about it years ago. I wish Obama would pardon him. I swear I would.

[Freddie Stubbs]

89. Richard Nixon made NO profit from the cover-up of the Watergate burglary

[laserhaas]

97. I object to this proffering of facts not in evidence.

You are barking up the wrong tree and being inane at such.

[Doctor_J]

103. Whoa. Comparing a railroaded Dem governor to Nixon.

You're probably on the wrong web site, Freddie

[laserhaas]

115. It would appear that Freddie's viewpoint is skewed from being Progressive

That is why I tend to avoid answering his remarks/conjecture.

The reason it was necessary to address this particular comment thread;
is he made an unqualified statement as fact.

I concur with you Doctor_J - Nixon and Siegelman are two - distinctly different - context's.

[Freddie Stubbs]

141. The Nixon case is a good case study of what happens to a President who pardons a

politician. President Obama is a devout student of history in addition to being a constitutional scholar.

[Freddie Stubbs]

140. So, this is a website where only unquestioningly bashing a Democratic AG is welcome?

[pacalo]

80. I'm going to send Rep. Cohen an e-mail of appreciation for calling attention to this injustice.

Thanks for posting this; outstanding collection of information.

[laserhaas]

92. I was thinking the same thing pacalo

We must always commend our public servants for doing the right thing!

[pacalo]

100. His website only accepts Tennessee constituents' e-mails.

I tried last night.

[laserhaas]

105. I KNOW - it sucks the whammy - However, it is a "proper" protocol.

If he is your Representative - it is hard enough to get time of day with him as it is;

much less if out of area trolls could inundate him with hogwash....

Anyone can send him a fax though (especially a proper pat on the back)

Use FaxZero.com and do a 1 pager

[pacalo]

111. Thank you so much! I just sent the fax...

FaxZero offers a 30-day free trial for faxes, then $10/month to subscribe. I usually avoid those because I'm afraid I might forget to cancel before they begin charging me.

But I googled for a free fax service & found www.BestFreeFax.com. Worked like a charm.

Rep. Cohen's fax number is [phone]. I sent the following:

Thank you for your remarks to Attorney General Holder at the Republicans' committee (witch-hunt) hearing in regard to your request for Gov. Don Siegelman's release from his politically-driven imprisonment. I agree that it is a grave injustice and it's long overdue for action.

Also, thank you for calling for an end to our modern-day "prohibition" on marijuana. Many law enforcement officials recognize that the laws against it are unjust and create more societal problems than intended. In addition, marijuana legalization would benefit many chronic-pain patients, such as my husband who has a severe, debilitating back problem.

Thanks again!

[laserhaas]

112. KUDOs to you (btw - did you mention DU - ALWAYS mention DU)?

FaxZero allows you to send 5 faxes a day for free

and you don't need any CC (they just put an AD on the fax cover page).

Again - KUDOs to you - for doing the right thing.....

[pacalo]

113. Dang...

I should have mentioned DU to let him know many are paying attention.

[laserhaas]

117. Always promote the brand.

We are a great realm here.

[santamargarita]

91. He should have been pardoned immediately!

He's a political prisoner from that goddamn illegal Bush Administration.
There is nothing I hate more than a fuck head Republican!!!

[laserhaas]

98. It is a good thing that my righteous indignation, coupled with being a victim;

is not further combined with your intensity of anxiety.

I would have gone postal a long time ago.

[santamargarita]

101. No anxiety here, it's called disdain.

[laserhaas]

106. I have the same disdain - (probably more so) - However

(and I do love the movie from your avatar)

Anger only serves ebol.

We must center our focus into unified efforts achievable.

There have been many times (especially when they kidnapped my daughter);
that I wished ill will upon my enemies.

[santamargarita]

114. I vent and move on...not healthy...

We really do need to be unified. That's why I love DU. It gives me a voice that keeps me from jumping out a window.

These are not stable people, certainty not in any way intellectual.

Did they really kidnap your daughter? I have two and really would go postal. I'm so sorry; no one should have to go through that nightmare.

[laserhaas]

116. Yes, they did - on my birthday. It was a set-up. They offered me a biz deal in the millions

and when I arrived - it turned out to be dealings in unlicensed goods (swag) of Rolex, Louis Vitton etc.

Not only did I turn down the deal - I did the require of Law and called the feds.

I get a phone call telling me that "you should have taken the deal - people who chase ghosts become one - your daughter is 1st - your son will be next".

Twice, I had to go to the hospital and wait for hours, to see if the dead girl matching my daughter's description was there.

Since then, several suicides, purported suicides, homicides and an obvious murder transpired.

[santamargarita]

130. So you still don't have your daughter back?

I'm not sure what to say. You are truly going through the test of maintaining composure and
some assemblance of daily life.

I hope you can get through this living hell quickly by getting your daughter back safe.

[laserhaas]

133. My daughter was back in a few days. The man who abducted

her was caught (they were planning to sell her in Baja).

The crooked DA actually held her in juvy - when I demanded to have a session with the career criminal abductor.

My only goal now, is to bring Romney & his RICO Gang to justice;
and get back what they stole (my children's inheritance).

[santamargarita]

135. That's a relief! I'd love to see that criminal

brought to justice. Problem is those bastards are never held accountable. I don't know how bad the stench will have to get before something is done.

Good luck!

[laserhaas]

138. Fortunately - (G-d willing) - the "stench" is big enough to muster attention.

The hubris of Romney and his ilk, to run him for POTUS;
may have saved my life and finally bring U.S. justice in the cases.

Big things are in the works - I'm doing 2 GD threads today.

One will be titled Romney --- - and will chronicle how massive the stench (and evidence trails) - really are.

At the barest of mimimums (because I suspect that President Obama would have to prudently commute such);
Romney may not go to jail - but he will have to return what he/his stole.

And several of his Gang - will here that heart wrenching "clank"
when the steel doors shut upon them.

[laserhaas]

121. What will really blow your mind is the fact that

one of the guy's (upon information and belief) that was involved;
once sat a desk only 10 feet away from me in the same building.

His name is Larry (Reservitz) Reynolds.

He is now serving 10 years; but the guy in between has gotten away Scot Free (jury still out on IF he knew).

The reason for "Reservitz" moniker - is THAT is his REAL name.

Larry Reservitz Reynolds laundered $12 Billion for the Petters Ponzi
while under investigation by IRS, SEC & FDIC

AND

In WISTEC (the Witness Protection Program)

[santamargarita]

129. Absolutely amazing!

[laserhaas]

132. Concur - When corruption is the rule, rather than the exception

The inflexible sword of truth is our best weapon.

It is immortal and vexes are enemies - greatly.

[okaawhatever]

120. If he waits and lets the appeals court overturn his sentence he will have recourse. nt

[laserhaas]

124. Frug that - we want Governor Siegelman free - NOW...

He has much good he will do - upon his release.

[okaawhatever]

125. the pressure needs to be on the appellate court to overturn the verdict. They could easily do it

in a couple of days. Also, if some gop hack wants to uphold the lower courts ruling, that will be incompetence and Obama can fire his azz.

[laserhaas]

126. In a legit world - you would be correct - but we live in a Citizen's United World of Courts

And the Kangaroo's hop around

E V E R Y W H E R E

[santamargarita]

131. I hadn't thought of that. That's exactly what I'd want.

[laserhaas]

136. Yes - we have man patriots who are abused (quashed) by despots.

James Traficant, Senator Ted Stevens, Rick Convertino.

All people who said - Publicly - what they were thinking and were gaining powerful followings; and paid a dear price.

Convertino is in high demand; because he beat them.

We must make sure that they autocrats neither quash, silence nor see to the demise;
of Governor Siegelman.

[Doctor_J]

102. My first hint that Obama was going to be a major disappointment

was when he didn't pardon Siegelman on the first day in office. He either IS a Republican, or is afraid of them. Either way my hopes of undoing the Bush damage are long gone.

[laserhaas]

107. Fret not Doctor_J (btw - I actually hoop'd against him) - Know Ye This

To tyranny, cronyism and corruption massive;
it takes much muster to counter.

I know much more about the personal side of Obama than you (or even he) would care that I know.

It would enrage you - to see the whole truth.

[br]
[hr][br]
Be that as it may - Barack Obama has done much good.

Can he do more, of course he can. But he's just a man. JUST 1 Man!

It is up to U.S. to cajole him from his massive daily duties and responsibilities, into case specifics we find noteworthy. Even on this very day, the Fox, Ruppert Murdoch and Bain Capital Clear Channel Communication has undue influence over 200 million listeners with babbling banter B.S. massive. Our POTUS is compelled to respond to their obfuscating hyperbole;
because WE fail to stop the B.S. in its tracks. We are simply too damn busy making ends meet.

President Obama is trying to make ends meet for 300 million of U.S.!

I'm homeless, jobless, lost family, career, friends and my grandchildrens inheritance (I have 7 grandchildren whom I've never held and have not seen since October 31, 2004 - when my enemies kidnapped my daughter).

Yet, I'm here, working on Sampson's case, Congressman Conyers, Governor Siegelman's, and espionage/ pedophiles at Univ of Michigan - and more.

Because - someone has to be the troops for our Commander and Chief.

Help me - help you - help Governor Siegelman get free;
and then lets enjoy a Salute to what we did together - helping the POTUS see the light!

Please?

[Doctor_J]

108. I think there is one major step he could take

Fight the right on every issue - just like they do him. The answer to our problem is for him, and his people, and our tiny media presence - to get the 67 million people who voted (D) in 2008 back to the polls next year. Be the president that he campaigned as - pro-union, pro-teacher, pro-health care. Simple put anti-Republican. He has millions of troops at his command, but they need some leadership which he is not providing.

See you at the next SE MI DU meet-up

[laserhaas]

109. I would be glad to meet with you (please remind me - as I'm bad with dates/times - in future)

[laserhaas]

110. Please bare in mind. Barack Obama swore an oath to the American People - not the Democratic party.

His fiduciary duty (regardless of his wishes) - is to our entire country.

Including our fellow citizens lacking in open mindedness.

[FiveGoodMen]

134. So, if a significant group of his constituents want slavery back ... ?

(and, deep down, they do)

[laserhaas]

137. Not the same issue (and I'd be the first one on the front line against him if such were a program).

Politico's are "compromisers" by nature.

We are getting supp from President Obama - for various rights issues- and should be HIGHLY grateful/thankful.

Whether we like to admit it or not - a POTUS is not the ultimate power - just one of "the" most powerful.

It would serve no good purpose to have him go the way of JFK; because he forced issues against (Slave owner) strong wills.

We can defeat the current version of the Republican party - permanently - over time.

It is (guerilla) civil warfare.

[wordpix]

118. SIGNED and may the injustice end with KKKarl going to jail along with the rest of this evil bunch

of thieves, liars, crooks and chickenhawks

[laserhaas]

122. Thx - concur - it would be great to have Rove'r and Romney

sharing a cell!

[red dog 1]

127. Back in '08, "60 Minutes" did a segment on Don Siegelman,

and when Gov.Siegelman's segment came on, all the TV screens in Mobile and Huntsville went black


"Tonight was something truly unseen in US history.
During the '60 Minutes' broadcast, and ONLY during the Don Siegelman portion -- the screen went black for Huntsville residents and Mobile residents. There are other reports of other locations as well."

Read more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrevna/parts-of-60-minutes-broad_b_88218.html/

[laserhaas]

128. We live in a Machivellian world.

And the powers that be


ARE
----POWERS
------------that BE!