Subway Just as Unhealthy as McDonald’s
Source: Yahoo News.
If you watched the London Olympics last summer, you saw a parade of top athletes touting the nutritional qualities of their favorite eatery: Subway. Watching Apolo Ohno or Robert Griffin III bite into a veggie footlong with avocado or hearing that Subway is the official training restaurant of athletes everywhere, you might get the idea that the food served at the chain isnt that bad for youthat its even healthy. Think again.
Researchers from the University of California Los Angeles found that despite claims to the contrary, Subway is just as unhealthy as the oft-reviled golden arches of McDonaldswhich long had the most locations in the country of any fast-food chain until Subway surpassed it in 2011.
Every day, millions of people eat at McDonalds and Subway, the two largest fast food chains in the world, Dr. Lenard Lesserwho led the research while a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Clinical Scholar in the department of family medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA and the UCLA Fielding School of Public Healthsaid in the UCLA statement. With childhood obesity at record levels, we need to know the health impact of kids choices at restaurants.
Lesser, who is now a researcher at the Palo Alto Medical Foundation Research Institute, did so by recruiting 97 adolescents, ages 12 to 21, to purchase meals at McDonalds and Subway restaurants at a shopping mall in Carson, CA. The young people consumed an average of 1,038 calories at McDonalds. They consumed an average of 955 calories at Subwaya statistically insignificant difference from McDonalds. The Institute of Medicine recommends that students consume no more than 850 calories in school lunches.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/breaking-subway-just-unhealthy-mcdonald-185710202.html
As others have pointed out, it depends on what you order.
However, like many fast food nightmares, Subway is run by anti-worker Republican Ayn Randists.
Don't eat at chains. Period.
socialsecurityisAAA
(191 posts)The best thing to do is buy whole foods and cook them at home, try to use as much raw food as possible and liberally eat fermented living foods whenever you can!
Oh and it may go without saying everyone should be eating organic, free range meats, but I will say it anyway! A pesticide, antibiotic, hormone free diet is the best way to go!
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)Subway has more low-fat, healthier (maybe a better choice of word would be "less-unhealthy" choices than McDonald's. Most teenagers don't go for the healthy choices, though...
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)I've been on Weight Watchers since the first of the year and Subway is the only fast food joint I have visited since then. My favorite is the Subway Club on a Wheat Bun, with 2 deli slices of turkey breast, 2 slices of roast beef, and one slice of ham, loaded up with lettuce, tomatoes, green peppers and onions. Even if I get the Provolone Cheese on it, it's still only 7 grams of fat. Hmmmm Good!!!! and it beats out anything on McDonalds menu or KFC and I'm thoroughly satisfied. Sure it's not for everybody, and the majority of people will probably load up their Subway with more fattening options. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't exist for those of us who sometimes may have to grab something fast, and healthy, and are able to exercise some discipline.
Oh, and I'm down 35 lbs since January and have not once felt hungry or deprived. I'm also exercising as well, but life is complicated and we need options. Subway provides options.
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)I hope that your eating plan includes lots and lots of fresh vegetables. I'm the only skinny one in my family - the differences between my lifestyle and my sisters' lifestyles are that I eat a lot of plants, and I walk a lot.
tridim
(45,358 posts)And calories are definitely not unhealthy unless you're overweight.
So
Subway has more veggies that McD's, so it's healthier.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)i eat very low fat because i really can`t digest it. i have never had any problems with the choices of stuff from subway.
i stopped eating mcdonalds food years ago because it basically made me ill.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)I generally agree about the "health halo" effect that the article mentions but the level of scholarship in the actual examination seems pretty sparse.
You can go to an all-you-can-eat buffet and eat very healthily...if you choose the right items to eat.. Or you can choose an artery-clogging plate of death. Subway is no different. You can eat quite healthily from Subway if you choose the right ingredients and eschew sauces, etc. But you can also pig out hardcore. The "average" sandwich as chosen by 12 to 21 year-olds is likely to be the latter.
PB
MADem
(135,425 posts)And I think the premise is bullshit.
The food at Subway is as healthy as the choices that the customer makes.
And there are way more "good for you" choices at Subway than there are at Mickey Dee's.
raging_moderate
(147 posts)I thanks God for Subways being available when traveling in particular. Whole wheat with turkey, provolone, loads of veggies, and I ask for 1/3 their usual amount of honey mustard dressing. Not too bad really considering it's an on the go sandwich. Of course, there is usually some guy in front of me who orders white bread, whatever they call their fatty spicy meat, bacon, american cheese, mayo - all toasted with NO veggies. Makes it pretty hard to eat anything at all after seeing that slop on a bun. Blech.....
There is absolutely nothing on the menu at McD's that I have any interest in eating (at least the last time I got stuck there a few years ago).
JI7
(89,239 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)McDonalds is the best among fast-food chains for a salad. Every franchise seems to have crisp greens, and much more in it than just lettuce.
Every other chain is pretty spotty. I've received an awful lot of wilted brown crap from other places.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)I can make wise choices and choose small portions at any restaurant. But when I go to a restaurant, that's not usually what I'm after.
RoccoRyg
(260 posts)Do you really need the five-dollar foot long? Isn't six inches good enough? I'm pretty full with just the half-sandwich, the Sun Chips and a medium Fuze.
totodeinhere
(13,056 posts)mayo and cheese you have reduced calories a lot. Leave out pickles and mustard and you reduce sodium. Go heavy on lean meats or poultry and fresh veggies and you will be OK. And don't let them talk you into getting a bag of chips and drink water not sugared soda.
Now how many teens will make these choices I don't know but the point is that they have the ability to make these healthy choices if they want to.
CBHagman
(16,981 posts)You'll have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands.
Now mayo is a different story...
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I LAUGHED!
And yes, depending on what you order...IF you go to these places.
I've been "held hostage" for food in a few times and found that the only thing
within walking distance was a 24 hour Subway...sometimes you gotta do what
you gotta do (give creeps money vs. fainting from no food).
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)The whole point of Subway is the option to customize the damn thing. If you like veggies, you have the option to pile them on. If you like tons of mayo, cheese, red meat, and salt - you have that choice too.
While the quality of the meat and veggies isn't always spectacular, it's usually reasonable enough (depending that too on the location) for a quick bite. I'll buy a foot long turkey breast or chicken breast on wheat, with a bunch of veggies and some oil and vinegar and some seasoning. I eat half for lunch and the other a little later in the day for a snack or dinner depending on how hungry I am.
Then again, even McDonalds offers salads. But when it comes down to it, there aren't all that many ways to customize a McD's burger or sandwich and for that reason I rarely go there.
Subway isn't gourmet hi fare dining, but it beats most of the fast food alternatives as far as I'm concerned. And where I work, I don't have a whole lot of options and many days I don't pack lunch, I go to the subway down the street.
Ter
(4,281 posts)Why insert who it is run by and tell us "Don't eat at chains?"
We can't look at the whole picture ? .... Those who value their own neighborhoods tend to patronize local establishments and build a revenue base that enriches the neighborhood, instead of some remote, corporate maw ...
Buy local .... definitely ...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but one thing that should be known, when looking at subways calorie and fat counts know that they do not include cheese, but when ordering at subway tell them you don't want cheese and they'll look at you like you just landed from Mars or something
and the one not mentioned Burger King you can reduce the calories and fat on a whopper by 160 calories and 18 grams of fat with 2 words -no mayo and if you wish to pep it up a bit add mustard
Tunkamerica
(4,444 posts)and have eaten there since and I never get cheese and have never gotten looked at funny. I also, never judged someone for the sub they got unless they ordered the "seafood" which is the most unholy concoction man has ever placed on this earth.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but I have gotten a weird reaction and even "are you sure?" more than once
ps what's in the seafood, I've never eaten it, but I'm curious noww
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)A small local chain. When we told her we didn't order cheese, the waitress replied: Oh, sorry, I like cheese on my burger, I figured you'd like some too. !????
And maybe Tunkamerica worked in a more health conscious area, because I agree with you, adding cheese seems to be a foregone conclusion in most restaurants, chain or not.
Tunkamerica
(4,444 posts)that kills the smell. It is truly terrible, i swear it gets in through the gloves.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)fake crab and whatnot
totodeinhere
(13,056 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and if it's that big an issue then don't add it-my point was that when it comes to a BK whopper it's quite easy to reduce the fat by half and the calories by a bit too
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Maybe it's because I live in California.
I'm hoping one of their new vegan "meat" options goes national soon.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)when comparing subway to mcdoogles but its a deal breaker when compared to the suggested intake?
Smells like made up headlines to me.
flvegan
(64,404 posts)Giving paychecks to folks shouldn't be a part of it.
Let me know when actual nutritionists check in.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)you have a wonderful alternative to Subway.
I lived for a number of years where I had Mr. Goodcents, and I just loved them. Then I moved 800 miles away. That was five years ago. About two years ago I was really longing for a decent submarine sandwich and went to my local Subway. Never again. At least I got back to Mr. Goodcents territory a couple of weeks ago, even if it was for a funeral. If I were a different sort of person, I'd contact the Mr. Goodcents corporation and see if I could get a franchise where I live.
Even better, for those of you fortunate enough to live in Tucson, Arizona, is the Hogie House. OMG! And then there's Lucky Wishbone. I wish they'd go national, but apparently it will never happen. Sigh. Whenever I get back to Tucson guess which two local food emporiums I go to immediately.
Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)I personally don't eat subway cause I have better local alternatives. What this article really highlights is the need to teach proper nutrition choices. When I was in culinary school nutritional classes were part of the curriculum and it really makes you think. I personally would love to see them introduced into schools
olddots
(10,237 posts)I agree they both are reasons this country is doomed .
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)The Wal-Mart of sandwich joints. Their sandwiches taste like just the sum of their ( prefab ) parts, maybe less. Lots of other "mom & pop" or quasi-chain stuff that tastes much better. Yeah, they're more expensive. So fucking what.
Funny thing last week visiting my right wing father: He was a bona-fide food freak with discriminating tastes, but now is letting his politics dictate his tastes. Now he's singing the praises of The Olive Garden, and specifically the Darden group in general, and was also putting in good words for Subway.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)I almost never dine out unless I am traveling.
You make a poor case for skipping the Subway.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Good healthy food is worth pursuing.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)even in places you think you know well. Always worth the effort.
callous taoboy
(4,583 posts)Something didn't quite taste right with the sandwich, but I was really hungry so I ate it down. Worst case of the shits hit a few hours later.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)I had to call in sick for work the next day after eating a sandwich there.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)I happen to live in the NY tri-state area and have far better choices. There are italian delis everywhere, I have one across the street. These people make their own mozzarella. Their prosciutto, mozz and roasted pepper sub is to die for.
Subway? Blah..........
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)And it caused me to have a proclivity toward food snobbery when I moved to the southeast, even for the small on-the-go foods like deli sandwiches or pizza.
Fortunately over the years the food scene has vastly improved and it's possible to find places like you mentioned. Even the quasi-chains like Lenny's or Jersey Mikes make a pretty good rendition of a NY-area deli wedge....er...sandwich. In fact the only people that aren't impressed by them or "real" pizza are those that grew up knowing nothing but chains. The increased quality is not worth the higher price because they just never knew it. It's always, "yeah it's alright but it's pricy!". This by people that spend money like drunken sailors every place else.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)I love prosciutto. I'm always surprised when people don't know what it is. I also love its cousin "jamon serrano". When I visit family in Spain I love to have a small sandwich with good coffee for breakfast. They will cut the ham right in front of you. I also have family in France and Belgium, they too have their own version of cured ham. I also travel to Argentina on a regular basis and their "jamon crudo" and other charcuterie is delicious. It's a big world with lots of ham in it. LOL!!!
Hmmm, I'm getting hungry.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts).....and I have no thing but leftovers in the house and I don't feel like going anywhere.
Salute to a fellow food freak
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Here's a pic to make you even hungrier.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)We have Nardellis here in CT. And great pizza at Pepe's or Sally's. Maybe because so many Italians settled in this tri-state area originally. My grandfather was born in NYC but his older siblings came over on a ship to Ellis Island. I was brought up on meatballs, spaghetti, etc. We had lasagna for dinner at Christmas. And lots of olive oil, anchovies, and sardines on everything.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)I'd have to have a long drive or jump a plane to have good Italian food.
I remember decades ago when I moved to the southest the selection of ethnic food here was apalling. Anything even trying had signs on them like "Italian & American Food" or "Chinese & American Food". Fast forward to now. Now there's dozens upon dozens of Thai, Vietnamese, Asian "fusion", Brazilian, Mexican, German, Japanese, and there are now more places that serve "real" pizza and Italian foods within a 10 mile radius of me than where I grew up in NY.
If I had to go back to eating in "A meat and three" cafeterias, I'll go on a hunger strike.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Who doesn't like Italian food?
Franker65
(299 posts)I avoid chains...period.
Freddie
(9,256 posts)At Subway, it's not. That's the difference for me. Sure there's salads at McDonalds but they cost 3x the tasty stuff on the dollar menu. At Subway you can get a filling low-fat sandwich full of veggies for the same price as a "regular" one. As someone who must watch $$ that's an important difference.
Atman
(31,464 posts)The article starts of talking about Olympic athletes eating VEGGIE subs, then quickly shifts to school kids ordering anything they want, and concluded that somehow Subway is as bad as McDonalds. That is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
I actually like getting a veggie sub t Subway. No cheese, but plenty of the various peppers to keep it from being bland. I ask for a light drizzle of vinegar and oil...no way is that worse than a Big Mac.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)There's no way my whole wheat all-veggie footlong sans mayo and cheese is even close to the filth McD's serves up.
bigworld
(1,807 posts)I'm sure if you conducted the same study at a health food store vs. McDonalds you'd come up with the same results. Yes, you CAN get unhealthy things at Subway, and most 15 year olds, given their choice, would probably order them. You can also eat reasonably well there if you're trying to.
And the number of calories in the lunches bought doesn't tell the whole story, either. 1000 calories of french fries is not the same nutritionally as 1000 calories of a more balanced meal.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)so I stop eating at Subway. A loaf of bread for lunch or dinner is no way to "tighten" up.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)fast food or restaurant diet. Most people can't really afford to eat out that much and still eat like shit in their own homes.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)At every single one I've been to, seems like rudeness is a prerequisite. So I can't be bothered.
At least @ McDonald's, they are trained to be - at a minimum - neutral; you get what you want, quickly, no muss, no fuss. And I like their premium McWraps, which are healthy.
renate
(13,776 posts)I take forever to decide and I'm kind of stupid about things like who to ask for a drink and when I'm supposed to go down to the cash register, etc, but despite my inadvertently irritating ways I've never had a bad experience at a Subway. The staff--all high-school-aged boys--at the Lincoln City, Oregon, one were remarkably sweet and nice, the one time I was there.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)And that's with all my dicking around about "no cheese, no mayo, extra oil, extra vinegar, light mustard, extra avocado" etc.
Mosby
(16,256 posts)Their 6 inch tuna is over 600 calories, don't know if that includes the cheese but the calories have to be from the mayo.
As others have said there are low cal options at both mcdonalds and subway but imo subway has a lot more low cal options.
I don't think subways whole wheat is real whole wheat, but there is nothing wrong with white bread anyway, I don't know how that notion got started but its nutritional gospel now.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)What you need to look for is 'whole grain.'
Mosby
(16,256 posts)Edamame, I like it dry roasted, one little handful has as much fiber as 4 slices of "whole wheat" bread. Its also loaded with protein.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Both are near perfect foods.
I steam edamame and jasmine rice, then stir a serving in a bowl with a little miso paste and ponzu sauce. Finish with a dash of dried seaweed and sesame seed mix.
Mosby
(16,256 posts)I love jasmine rice. I would probably add a little heat in the form of crushed red pepper.
Isn't it amazing how a little sesame can add to the flavor of a dish?
I have a neighbor who has tons of kale growing right now and I want to find/develop an asian type side dish for kale that includes sesame seeds and maybe toasted almonds. I might try a ponzu sauce, never heard of it till now.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)jessie04
(1,528 posts)Turkey with vegetables and ask them to dig out the bread.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)thefool_wa
(1,867 posts)This article doesn't actually describe how healthy/unhealthy the food is. It merely states that people CHOOSE to consume nearly the same number of calories at both establishments. No discussion the actual food content (other than sodium count). So what we are talking about here is an unhealthy CHOICE of the consumer, not an innate lack of nutritional content in the food itself.
The content and quality of Subway food can be easily replicated in a household kitchen making these same meals with the virtually identical ingredients (some even of POORER quality: how many of us have fresh, preservative free bread around all the time?). Whereas with McDonald's "food", while the FORM of the food can be replicated at home, store bought ingredients that resemble McDonald's ingredients will produce a significantly healthier and higher quality of said food. This says to me that McDonald's (with their preservative volume, cholesterol, pink slime, separated chicken, et al) is significantly less healthy than Subway.
Sure, Subway may serve you the same VOLUME of food as McDonald's, but saying that makes it less healthy, or even equally as unhealthy (and more sodium DOES NOT automatically equal less healthy) is really stretching the issue unless you are willing to ALSO claim that your kitchen is just as unhealthy as McDonald's (which can also be very true).
The heart of the problem discussed in the article is childhood obesity and the truth is that the fault rests squarely, and exclusively, on the CHOICES OF THE PARENTS, not on McDonald's, Subway, or anyone else. I don't have infinite means by any stretch of the imagination, but I manage to feed my children in a way that keeps them healthy (and yes, that includes both Subway and McDonald's occasionally), so I do not buy the "I'm too poor to eat right" crap either. The solution is to choose better food, not blame the people who are making food you can simply choose not to buy.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)I was scratching head wondering why calories were being used as a measure of health. It may be that the actual study is more detailed and the article is misrepresenting it (par for the course with nutrition/health articles) but the information they are presenting says nothing about health.
That said, I do disagree that it is simply a matter of choices. Unfortunately, we live in a world where many people, particularly the poor and low income, have false choice. Yes, it's certainly possible to overcome economics and geography but it's rare, not because people choose to be unhealthy but because people make the most sensible options possible given their particular economic circumstances. In very impoverished areas in the world, young babies and toddlers go hungry because of choices made by family members that on the surface seem unconscionable but when looking deeply into the reality of their lives, it makes sense (as sad as it is) to prioritize the nutrition of other family members over very young children.
thefool_wa
(1,867 posts)As I said, I and my family have lived on the edge of poverty at times and my kids aren't obese or unhealthy.
I live in a pretty economically diverse county in rural Washington and the problem (at least here) seems to come from the more well-off end of the spectrum, not the poorer end. And that's if there is a wide spread problem at all (again, here). When I look around my kids' school I really don't see many kids that are of an observably unhealthy weight.
I sincerely think that the idea that the impoverished or lower-middle class are the primary contributors to this childhood obesity epidemic is off base. What I have witnessed is that the overweight children in my area and at my kids' school come from comfortably middle class families who CHOOSE to feed their kids massive amounts of refined sugar, processed foods, fast food, and all the things that are dense with calories, light on nutrition but are just simply EASIER for them and their busy lifestyles.
Oh and soda, though that is the killer that affects pretty much everyone. But, soda is DEFINITELY a choice, and something I choose to keep my family away from as much as possible. My kids get maybe 3 sodas a week, and I am comfortable with that, but I know people who let their kids drink the stuff pretty much instead of water and yes, those kids are some of the few I know who are of an unhealthy weight.
It is choice. Eating 100% healthy is expensive and not possible all the time. At the same time, even with the choices available, you can eat them in a manner which does not encourage childhood obesity. What it takes is education on the content and consequences of the choices (which brings us back to the original point...this article does not encourage that education, it merely defames Subway).
get the red out
(13,460 posts)Travelman
(708 posts)I love a good sandwich from time to time, particularly a good roast beef sandwich. Once I discovered Jersey Mike's, I've never been back to a Subway.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)I see that they are by the shore. There are none in my area.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)food I get a memory of the funny aftertaste it has. I'm not sure if it's in the bread, the mayo, preservatives or what.
There's something weird about it for me. Maybe other people don't have that sensation and like it. But I tend to avoid it for that reason.
RobinA
(9,886 posts)one bit, prefer McDonalds any day. Avoid Subway, eat at McDonalds now and then. When I want to eat healthy I stay home. Your mileage may vary. Neither is exactly a vitamin pill. If salt, fat, cholesterol and whatever other food bugaboos are out there are a big problem for you, you porbably shouldn't be eating out AT All. That fancy French restaurant with totally fresh ingredients isn't exactly a health food emporium either.
Bucky
(53,936 posts)Follow these simple rules and subway is better than Mickey's
1. Get the six inch, not the twelve.
2. Don't order the high sugar corn water.
3. Don't order the high saturated chips.
4. Walk daily.
5. Drink beer.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)when some of those calories are veggies and somewhat nutritious breads
I always get the foot-long buffalo chicken sandwich on honey oat with plenty of veggies and lite mayonnaise
I'm guessing that's a whole lot healthier than a burger and fries