'Never in his life': Father of Tsarnaev's friend questions FBI slaying of son

[temmer]

Source: Russia Today


An FBI agent shot Tamerlan Tsarnaev-linked triple murder suspect Ibragim Todashev in Florida, allegedly after the suspect attacked him with a knife. But Todashev’s father Abdulbaki told RT he strongly doubted his son could attack the agent first.

...

He explained that his 27-year-old son studied in the Russian city of Saratov, and later in Grozny, but decided to give up his education and move to the US after going on a student internship there.

Ibragim decided to leave for Florida because he “liked America,” Abdulbaki explained, adding he never got to know what occupation, if any, his son had in the US, other than practicing sports.

Abdulbaki said they were not acquainted with the Tsarnaev family at home in Chechnya. Ibragim knew Tamerlan Tsarnaev only because they went to the same gym when he stayed in Boston, he added.



Read more: http://rt.com/usa/ibragim-todashev-fbi-attack-659/

[MADem]

1. Naaaaah....of course not! He was a little LAMB, I tell you--a lamb!!!!

Never mind that he kicked the living shit out of a teenager because he was pissed at the kid's dad over a PARKING spot. Put the kid in the hospital, too.

According to the arrest affidavit, Todashev had gotten into an altercation with a man and his son over parking space.
Todashev told police that the man 'got into his face' so he pushed him and then the man's son 'got involved' and Todashev began fighting him.
'Todashev said he was only fighting to protect his knee because he had surgery in March,' the affidavit states.
A mall security officer arrived on scene to find the son unconscious and lying in a pool of blood on the ground just as Todashev was pulling away in a white Mercedes.
The officer chased down the Mercedes, ordered Todashev out at gunpoint and arrested him.
The son was later treated at a hospital with a split upper lip, several teeth knocked out and head injuries.

But naaaah....he's a gentle fellah (not). He had anger management issues.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329001/Ibragim-Todashev-FBI-agent-fatally-shoots-suspect-Orlando-knew-Boston-Marathon-bombing-suspect-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev.html


He also was busted for road rage:

http://www.kypost.com/dpps/news/national/man-shot-by-fbi-ibragim-todashev-had-spoken-with-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev_8518813

Todashev was also arrested by Boston police in 2010 after a road rage incident. Witnesses told police that he argued with two other drivers and cut them off with his vehicle. According to a police report, he yelled, "You say something about my mother, I will kill you."

[jakeXT]

3. Amnesia?

Three law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Todashev had lunged at the FBI agent with a knife. However, two of those officials said later in the day it was no longer clear what had happened. The third official had not received any new information.

http://www.fox11online.com/dpps/news/national/fbi-agent-fatally-shoots-man-in-orlando-nd13-jgr_6130478

[MADem]

4. Sounds to me like FauxSnooze were using sources that weren't IN THE ROOM.

All those LE officials look alike to them, perhaps.

[temmer]

5. More amnesia

from the same source:

Two officials who were briefed on the investigation said Todashev made statements, while he was being interviewed by the FBI and Massachusetts state police, implicating himself as having been involved in the 2011 Waltham slayings. Neither of the officials, one of whom had earlier told The Associated Press there was no new information on Todashev lunging at the agent, knew whether Todashev had also implicated Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the killings. The two people, a federal law enforcement official and a Massachusetts state official, spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release details of the investigation.

Neither official was sure of the extent of Todashev's supposed involvement.

[MADem]

7. Yeah, those two officials are the same AP source officials--and they weren't in the room.

They were "briefed on the investigation" but we don't know by whom. And there's no way to determine if this is a formal briefing or if it's a "briefing" that is third or fourth hand.

This is like a game of telephone whispers. Perhaps these "sources" have been warned that someone planted a bogus detail with them to try and out them for blabbing to the press as "talkers out of turn."

A lot of people were in that condo, apparently, and any of them could have talked to someone who talked to someone:

It's not clear who shot Todashev, officials say, because -- while he was being questioned by an FBI agent -- officers from the Massachusetts state police and the Orlando police department were also present in the house where the interrogation was going on.

I believe they round up the guns after a shooting and determine what weapon(s) fired the fatal shot(s). They may be unwilling to state decisively until that step is finished.

Then we've got these guys who are talking to the press--but are they also talking off the record?

A spokesperson for the Middlesex County District Attorney’s office, which is investigating the three deaths, said that the office does not discuss ongoing investigations. Relatives for the three men did not immediately return requests for comment.
Officials say FBI agents were questioning Todashev on Tuesday. He was cooperative at first, they say, but later that night, he attacked the agent with a knife. Officials say Todashev became violent as he was about to sign a written statement based on his confession.

And here's another talker who may have gone OTR:

A spokesman for the Orlando Police Department referred all questions regarding the shooting to the FBI.

And here's one more:

An FBI incident review team was dispatched from Washington, D.C., and was expected to arrive in Orlando within 24 hours, FBI Special Agent Dave Couvertier said on Wednesday morning.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to-boston-bombing-suspect-admits-role-in-2011-murders-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

Lots of sources--and some not even in the same state.

[DonViejo]

54. I have to wonder if the interrogation was conducted in English...

or Todashev's native language. If it was in the native language, those "anonymous sources" have zero credibility.

[MADem]

55. The source that ties it together for me is his wife.

Her English is pretty good, accented but fluent. Supposedly, Ibragim was in the US "to study English" so I imagine he had a command of the lingo.

She's estranged, but loudly proclaiming he is an innocent on the one hand, and then admitting he traveled from FL to MA around the time of the murders.

This is a guy who pays cash ($25K) for a knee operation and can afford to book a flight back home for himself, and for his wife, without blinking an eye or having a j-o-b that anyone seems to mention. I don't know a soul with that kind of scratch. This article says he worked in MA, but not in FL, doing odd jobs--that "driver" gig, a title Tamerlan Tsarnaev used as well (on his marriage license):

The elder Todashev said his son gave up martial arts because of an injury and later held a number of jobs, including as a driver at a retirement home, before moving to Florida within the last year. His father said his son had planned to come to Chechnya this week to visit his extended family, but was asked by the FBI to delay his trip.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329629/Ibragim-Todashev-I-sent-death-Father-Chechen-immigrant-shot-dead-FBI-regrets-sending-U-S-fears-blamed-crimes-didnt-commit.html#ixzz2U9LRm7iC

I wonder if he was supporting his estranged wife in a generous fashion, too--I suppose that would motivate her to speak up for the guy. I also wonder where he was REALLY getting his money to live in that nice townhouse and drive that nice car--maybe there was a LOT of money in that apartment in Waltham on Sep 11, 2011, and only 5K was left behind?

He came in on a student visa and then played the "persecution" card to get asylum.

[Beacool]

38. Wow, sounds like he had plenty of anger issues.

Just like the older brother in Boston.

BTW, what is it about these guys and Mercedes cars? They must think that it's the ultimate status symbol.

[MADem]

39. It's amazing how little they seem to work, too, and how much money they have.

Mister Anger Management paid twenty five grand, CASH, for his knee surgery. Where is he getting all this money? He said he had some "insurance" but that's a lot of insurance...!

[Beacool]

45. Maybe he was on welfare, like the older of the two brothers in Boston.

[MADem]

48. Some welfare--where can I get some?!!!

The guy got his knee operated on, and paid CASH for the operation--$25K!!!!

[Beacool]

50. You don't count, you're American.

[MADem]

52. I think that a lot of his, and Tsarnaev's, money, came from drug running/dealing.

They probably applied for/stayed on welfare to have a plausible source of income.

[Beacool]

65. I hadn't thought of that, good point.

Maybe someone should be following more closely who gets student visas and what they do once they are here.

[MADem]

66. Yep! You'd think they would have been checking on that for the past twelve years...

After we had 20 guys taking flying lessons who didn't want to learn to land, that was probably a clue that not all students come to America to study...!

[jakeXT]

44. I know Albania is not Chechnya, but it might illustrate the point

[Beacool]

46. That was very funny.

Who are those guys?

[jakeXT]

47. Top Gear UK

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_(2002_TV_series)

[Beacool]

49. Thanks.

I'm going to have to check them out.

[jakeXT]

51. You can find lots of them on streetfire

Their special shows are fun, like driving to the North Pole

http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-polar-special_part-1_2389944.htm


Challenges are fun

Or just doing stupid stuff

[Posteritatis]

58. Ugh, lovely. (nt)

[jakeXT]

2. Ex wife chimes in

ORLANDO, Fla - Reniya Manukyan, although estranged from her husband, is standing by him and denies his involvement in a triple slaying and the Boston bombings.
Ibragim Todashev, 27, was gunned down at his Orlando home during a meeting with FBI agents and two Massachusetts state troopers Tuesday night, authorities said.
Todashev, according to his roommates, was questioned multiple times by the FBI in the days following the Boston bombings.  His roommates said he even canceled a flight back to his native Chechneya to meet with agents this one last time.
"He didn't flip out," said Khusen Taramov, a roommate.  "I think something went wrong there.  I think they just shot him.  He didn't do anything.  I know him.  He just wanted everything to be over."


http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/state/ibragim-todashevs-wife-denies-her-husband-was-involved-in-the-boston-bombings-and-triple-murder

[MADem]

6. He didn't cancel his flight--he was on the No Fly list.

He knew he couldn't have left; they told him as much. He was hoping to talk his way out of this mess, but he has a reputation as being impulsive and hot-tempered, so he wasn't able to maintain his cool.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/05/22/suspect-slain-fla-marathon-bombing-probe-was-mixed-martial-arts-fighter-got-into-fight-over-parking-space-orlando-mall/l0vioqnZx9k7Ugsei1Np5J/story.html


Man slain in Marathon inquiry has record of outbursts


...Leigh said Allan recalled Todashev as a “hothead,” but Todashev portrayed himself to the US government as someone who was living in fear....Todashev came to America to study on a temporary visa, according to law enforcement officials. It is unclear when he moved to Massachusetts, or if he ever studied anywhere, but he was issued a state driver’s license in May 2009 and had four traffic violations, including the 2010 incident. The license expired in September, when he did not renew it.

Todashev’s 2010 arrest was not serious enough to get him deported. He admitted to sufficient facts for reckless driving and other charges, a plea that allowed him to avoid a conviction while admitting that there was enough evidence for a guilty finding. The charges were later dismissed, and he obtained a green card in February, clearing the way for him to apply for US citizenship.

But the episode left an impression on a 28-year-old Brighton man who was riding in his sister’s red Mazda that day in 2010 in Downtown Crossing when a gray van driven by Todashev chased them through a green light, passed them on Tremont Street and screeched to a halt, slamming into another car in the process. Todashev got out, a cigarette dangling from his mouth, said the passenger, who did not want to be identified. The men scuffled. The man said he subdued Todashev with a chokehold and was surprised to learn later Todashev was a fighter.

[jakeXT]

8. I can't find anything on the no fly list. Is it in the video? /nt

[MADem]

12. The FBI told him that his reservation wasn't operative, in essence.

They knew he had a ticket and they told him he wasn't gonna make that flight.

Todashev had tickets to fly to Chechnya on Tuesday night but the FBI had "strongly advised" him not to leave, Taramov told Central Florida News 13. The tickets were bought before the bombings.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/22/fbi-boston-bombing-killed-orlando/2350065/


Also, this incident--the shooting--happened round midnight. The FBI (and entourage) didn't show up after the late news to have a talk with this guy. They had probably been at it for a good chunk of time (three hours per one report), and they wore that guy down.

[jakeXT]

16. 'Don't leave, don't leave.' sounds more like desperation

The FBI's been pushing him, 'Don't leave, don't leave.' So he decided to stay," he said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/22/man-fbi-shot-dead-tamerlan-tsarnaev

[MADem]

19. When the FBI tells you that they want to see you, you aren't leaving.

He knew this, regardless of how his friend is trying to characterize or spin it.

He likely was desperate, in a panicked, "Oh shit" kind of way. He'd been linked to the murder of three Jewish guys in Waltham on Sep 11 2011, and those cops had probably told him they retrieved DNA from the crime scene. Who knows, they may have told him that the DNA was his--that would cause a guy to lash out and try to escape. Problem was, he had a houseful of cops over.

[jakeXT]

20. If you have evidence you arrest somebody. Looks more like fishing in the dark

“The FBI started following him, started asking him questions ‘Why you guys, what kind of connection do you have with them’. They try to like make a connection between them, but there’s no connection, no connection, I know for sure,” said Tamarov.

Todashev’s neighbor said he noticed that someone was scoping out the parking lot recently, he just didn’t know why and was shocked to hear his neighbor was the target.

“We would see things like unmarked vehicles, we’d see people we had never seen before just sitting in parking spaces, kind of an uncomfortable surveillance look to them,” said Jason Hays.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/05/22/friend-of-marathon-bombing-suspect-killed-by-fbi-in-orlando/

[jakeXT]

31. I think he is clear now

Several of Todashev's friends told the Sentinel that the FBI told him this week's discussion would be his last interview and that he was going to be cleared.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-fbi-shooting-orlando-update-20130523,0,4911735.story

[MADem]

35. They probably had, in fact, run his DNA by that point in time.

And they may have told him it was his last interview--and he simply assumed he'd be cleared.

This isn't just about three murders, though--the FBI has a greater role in trying to determine if there's a terror cell operating in USA and this guy and Tamerlan were members. That's probably why they were pushing him--to get a little push back and see how he'd react. They certainly didn't expect him to knife one of 'em, because if they knew that was coming, the law enforcement official could have avoided the blade.

[GoneFishin]

10. I can't find anything about the No-Fly list. Where is it?

It did not seem to be in the video or the text.

[MADem]

13. See post 12. He wasn't "on" the no-fly list, but he wasn't flying without

speaking to the FBI.

[GoneFishin]

33. I can't find where it says that either.

" He wasn't "on" the no-fly list, but he wasn't flying without

speaking to the FBI. "

[MADem]

41. Don't be obtuse and hyper - literal--those are MY words.

The guy wasn't stupid...do you seriously think, if the FBI told you that they wanted to talk to you, that you could hop on a plane and leave the country without them noticing?

If the FBI says they want to talk to you about a crime, you can avoid talking to them by invoking your self-incrimination rights, but you're not going to leave the country. You will be pulled aside and held for questioning, at which time the whole "Lawyer up" thing starts, if you're so inclined.

Of course, if they suspect that you're a member of a terror cell about to blow something up, they might not Miranda you.

[Sunlei]

9. why were all those officials in a private home "interviewing' a person for hours?

For hours in the wee hours of the morning, to the point he was to sign a paper about a murder?

Something is not right here, why wasn't he taken into the police station, read his rights and questioned properly?

[GoneFishin]

11. Amenable to signing a confession, yet on the brink of attacking?

I don't think so.

[LisaL]

14. He was out on bond for aggravated battery.

And yet he couldn't be on a "brink of attacking?"
Please.

[MADem]

17. And his wife admitted he went back to Boston in summer 2011.

Despite her denying her husband's involvement in the triple slaying Manukyan said her husband did travel back to Boston the summer of 2011.


Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/state/ibragim-todashevs-wife-denies-her-husband-was-involved-in-the-boston-bombings-and-triple-murder#ixzz2U7WfpsIZ

Those three Jewish gents who were pot dealers, and who were being "ripped off" by Tamerlan and this guy, were killed on Sep 11 2011.

You have to ask yourself, did this murder have more than one goal?

[jakeXT]

23. If you rip off somebody, why do you leave $5000 behind ?

At the time, police were puzzled by the lack of evidence of a forced entry and the $5,000 in cash that was left behind.

http://theweek.com/article/index/244546/the-fbi-kills-tamerlan-tsarnaevs-friend-4-things-we-know-updated

[MADem]

25. We know there was a lot of pot and five grand left behind.

What we don't know is how much money or weed was in that apartment BEFORE they sliced those throats. Maybe that's the money and weed that wasn't bundled up, that wouldn't fit in the duffle bag, or what-have-you.

[GoneFishin]

26. ... and amenable to signing a confession.

maybe the knife was really a pen.

[Sunlei]

18. I do not like the idea of our authorities conducting 'off the books' type interviews.

Even the FBIs on the books type of 'raids' seem to cross the line in decent treatment of citizens or people in America who also shares most of the same rights.

About a month ago the FBI raided a small animal charity, I have donated to in the past. They have run the charity for over a decade, live in a modest home and take small donations over paypal. They have a legit history of 'buying' horses from lower class horse traders who amass animals for transport to slaughter. IRS allows this type of animal purchases by a registered charity.

The FBI like 4 am bashed down their homes door, guns drawn and had the woman and her child down on the ground while they collected all comps, records, cell phones, everything related to the charity.

If the FBI goes this far overboard in physical abuse for what may be mistakes w, paypal or the state required animal blood test..who knows how far they will abuse a person they think is connected to the bombings.?

[MADem]

22. You might want to step back from that charity.

The FBI isn't going after "blood tests" that are required by the state--they are a federal entity that investigates major crimes. They aren't going to be fiddling with "Paypal" unless someone is laundering money pursuant to criminal activity.

Those cell phones and computers likely have interesting records on them that have nothing to do with a horse rescue charity. But that kind of thing makes a great cover for laundering money, I'll bet.

That's assuming it was the FBI that did the raid, too.

Here's an example where the state SPCA did a raid on a horse charity that sounds like a hellish experience for those poor horses:

http://www.sundayrecordherald.com/localnews/tipp-city-news/58-tipp-city-news/3005-horse-rescue-has-history-of-abuse.html

On Feb. 24, Serenity Horse Rescue was raided by the Ohio Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, Miami County Humane Society and Miami County Sheriff’s Office. One hundred and twenty-five animals were removed, and its owner Shula Woodworth charged with five charges and 37 counts of animal cruelty. Although the court procedures for those charges started May 16, her alleged mistreatment of animals started long before the property at Miami County. Woodworth has pled not guilty and denies all charges. Here is the other side of the story: part one of this series will look at the dealings of Woodworth and the rescue at former locations in Warren County.

[Sunlei]

27. cool links thanks.

I'm pretty carefull with the animal charities. Yes, I know how many are frauds and actually are horse hoarders, animal abusers. Florida has a lot of the slaughter pipeline horse collectors and I'm sure thousands of horses have died even before they batched enough for a shipment to slaughter.

I've seen the 'sea of bones' in their fields and pastures, and this will always haunt me.

[MADem]

15. Apparently he wasn't the only person in the condo complex they interviewed.

It is not uncommon to do interviews in the home at all.

Further, they had no "charges" against the guy. They were interviewing him to acquire additional information about the bombers. They may have had a hunch, but they were still in the "developing leads" phase of their investigation.

People aren't always "taken down to the station," and more so since this wasn't a police investigation--it is an FBI investigation. They'd have to take the interviewee into a federal building.

Also, the interview lasted three hours, so they started after nine PM. Perhaps that time frame suited the interviewee's schedule, or perhaps they wanted to catch him off guard.

[Sunlei]

21. I understand your point.

It's not uncommon for the FBI or authorities to interview or question people in their homes. Even at odd hours, its probably when people are most likely to be home.

Seems quite serious though the 'signing of a statement about a murder'. That type of interview, IMO should be done in a more official and secure area. With the rights of the person respected, his right to a lawyer ect.

[MADem]

24. Well, we don't know all the details.

If I were a criminal, and had a hope in hell of making a run for it, after, say, the FBI said they found my fingerprints or DNA at the scene of the Waltham crime, I'd be faking an attitude where I was all relaxed and cooperative, hoping I could stab some guy (or maybe all three--like he and Tamerlan managed to do with the pot dealers) and run like hell. Or maybe he decided he'd go the martyr route, and try to take one or more cops with him-- which would apply if that execution in Waltham had anything to do with the religion of the three deceased men (they were all Jews).

He must have known that the jig was up, that they had him dead to rights--and it might have been something stupid and simple, like his own DNA at that apartment. We don't know if he knew any of those dead guys, but we do know that Tamerlan did--and it IS awfully odd that the guy had moved to FL but went back to MA right around the time those three were executed.

[GoneFishin]

28. They had his crime scene fingerprints/DNA? Or is this speculation?

" If I were a criminal, and had a hope in hell of making a run for it, after, say, the FBI said they found my fingerprints or DNA at the scene of the Waltham crime,"

[MADem]

32. The "if" is a clue--it's entirely speculation. However, the news reports in Boston have said that

the cops are going back and looking at non-victim DNA found at the scene.

Maybe the FBI already knew whose DNA it was, or maybe this guy knew that he'd been sloppy at the scene, or was led to believe the FBI had already run a DNA comparison-- we will find that out when the investigation into the shooting is complete, perhaps, but not before. I am pretty sure they fingerprint green card holders, I am not sure if Russia takes biometric data in order to issue a passport, but I think they might--it wouldn't be unreasonable for this guy to be led to believe that they got his DNA profile from them.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/22/fbi-boston-bombing-killed-orlando/2350065/

The confrontation occurred when Todashev was allegedly preparing to sign off on a statement that would have implicated him and Boston bombing suspects Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in the Sept. 11, 2011, slayings in Waltham.

The bodies of Brendan Mess, 25, Raphael Teken, 37, and Erik Weissman, 31, were found in a Waltham apartment. The victims' throats had been cut and marijuana had been strewn around the scene, where investigators also recovered about $5,000.

The vicious attack, one official said, was apparently prompted by a drug-related dispute.

DNA from Todashev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev is being tested to see whether they were at the crime scene.

[GoneFishin]

34. Oh. Ok. Entirely speculation.

Thanks.

[MADem]

36. Generally speaking, when one starts a sentence with a conditional phrase, we're not

speaking factually. That's how the English language works.

You're welcome!

[jakeXT]

30. His friend says they were questioned in a police department

Dunkaev, 25, said he and other Chechens who live in the gated Kissimmee community Orlando Sun Village in Osceola County were taken to the Kissimmee Police Department on Monday and interviewed by the FBI for three hours.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-fbi-shooting-orlando-update-20130523,0,4911735.story

[MADem]

37. Maybe they wanted them separated from the suspect.

The article doesn't say if they were taken there at the same time that the suspect was interviewed.

[csziggy]

42. Maybe if they didn't take him into the station he was not under arrest

Technically. If they took him in, that could trigger the clock on him being held and limited the amount of time they had until they would have had to let him loose.

The Orlando cops (not sure if they were Orlando PD or Orange County SD) held Casey Anthony for hours, driving her around to confirm/disprove her various stories. That is how her only convictions (for lying to police) came about, her lying while they were just "driving her around" - not under arrest even though they did put her in handcuffs.

Or with this guy maybe he was cooperative when at the private home and they did not want to turn off that cooperation by taking him in?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

29. Remember when Alex Jones was crazy for making incessant CT claims?

Good times. Good times.

[Beacool]

40. Hmmm, only two things are clear about the whole situation.

1) Todashev was no Boys Scout and had anger management issues.

2) The FBI's version of events leaves a lot to be desired.

I hope that the FBI was videotaping the supposed "confession".

[snot]

56. Agreed. I find the number of suspects/key witnesses killed or nearly-killed

concerning. I thought we had more "non-lethal" weapons – or maybe we only use those on old ladies.

[geek tragedy]

43. Just like the parents Tsarnaev insisted their widdle angels

would never kill anyone.

Thppfft.

[MADem]

53. Check out the nose on that dude.

He's no stranger to altercation. That thing has been broken, badly, a time or two.

His face is going one way, and his nose is going this way and that.

[Posteritatis]

57. Could have boxed as well; didn't the Tsarnaev he was friends with do that? (nt)

[MADem]

67. This guy supposedly did the mixed martial arts schtick. His Tsarnaev pal was a Golden gloves boxer.

But even if he boxed, he forgot to duck. That thing on his face has more twists and turns than the Colorado River!

He was plainly not "The Greatest."

Muhammad Ali still has a pretty face, even in old age! No one got near his nose!

[temmer]

70. The way you talk about someone who's just passed away is disgusting

even IF the claim that he was the Waltham murderer is confirmed.

Which I doubt, frankly. This "confession" will not stand, and there is not the slightest evidence, motive, whatever linking Todashev to the murders. And the story about Todashev's death keeps changing.

What if it turns out that he's completely innocent? Will you then announce an apology here on DU?

I recommend to you being careful what you say.

[MADem]

72. Gee--welcome to DU. Are you threatening me?

Because that's most certainly what it sounds like.

Let me make you aware of a feature we have here at DU, in the highly unlikely event that you're not aware of it--it's called IGNORE. If you don't like what I'm saying, you're invited to hit that button and never see me again. Believe me, you won't hurt my feelings if you exercise that option.

But "Watch what you say" warnings are Ari Fleischer territory. He used to bat for the other team, in case you're unclear.

Let me clear up one other thing for you. This is a discussion board--the purpose of which is to DISCUSS the interesting topics of our time. If you remain confused as to the concept, perhaps this isn't the place for you. All I can say is, in a few dozen posts, you have shown yourself to be one of the most disagreeable individuals I've encountered in some time, here.

And as for your innocent little mixed martial arts fighter, his own WIFE puts him in Massachusetts at the time of the murders. So there's that. And if he's "completely innocent," why, he won't give a shit--because he's quite dead. Names will never hurt him, so don't worry your tender little heart, now. You certainly don't seem to have much care for the living in the way you converse with them on this board.

I don't think LE is short on forensic evidence, either, from cellphone pings to biological indicators. It's probably why the guy went for the knife.

I suggest you read the papers and learn all you can about this incident, if you really care about it and aren't looking for a mindless internet squabble, rather than nitpick at those of us who DO read the papers and keep up on the latest information.

And do have one of those nice days.

[temmer]

74. No - no threat - how do you get that idea?

I just wanted to call your attention that posts like these - making jokes about the deceased's crooked nose - may turn out very embarassing in the future, especially if the man's innocence is proven.

Here is what I wrote:

What if it turns out that he's completely innocent? Will you then announce an apology here on DU?

I recommend to you being careful what you say.

[Posteritatis]

59. In both sets of parents' defense...

... I'm kind of okay with anyone who lived in Chechnya in the last fifty years being exactly as cynical about the motives and behaviours of governments as they could ever want to be, because goddamn, seriously.

When it comes to the specifics they're way, way off the rails, sure, but anyone in the Chechnyan diaspora who remembered the eighties and nineties firsthand is not going to be lacking for the types of baggage I couldn't begin to pretend to imagine. They'd have profoundly different attitudes towards governments even without the trauma of losing their kids (no matter how that happened), and it's something I try to keep in mind when I hear their reactions, even if I buy their claims exactly as much as they buy the cops'.

[geek tragedy]

60. In general, parents are the worst judges of their kids' behavior

"Do you think your son raped and murdered that woman?"

"Oh absolutely. I raised him to do that kind of thing."

In the case of the brothers Tsarnaev, the parents appeared to be a contributing cause to their going down the wrong path, mama being a religious nutter and all.

[Posteritatis]

61. Oh, absolutely

And the Tsarnaev's parents in particular are a piece of work in general, certainly sharing a chunk of responsibility for what went down in Boston.

I'm just saying in these particular cases, where they seem adamant that their sons' killings/woundings are some government plot, I'm just not feeling the same "roll my eyes in disdain" urge when they're saying that stuff that a lot of people are all about.

[geek tragedy]

62. the government plot stuff i ascribe to denial/cognitive dissonance

in general--they can't believe their kid would do such a thing, plus a natural grieving reaction of needing to blame someone

[loyalsister]

63. I think it would be painful to discover that the monsters they created

were evil menaces at levels they never expected.

[JCMach1]

64. I worked with parents in the Middle-East whose students

were flunking out of university. The denial of the parents and the level of deception the students would go to was unreal.

This is not shocking in the least. The father REALLY wouldn't know.

[MADem]

73. Well ya know, "Jahar" was a MEDICAL student! According to his Paw, anyway...

Never mind he'd flunked seven or eight classes and he was only a sophomore....and while UMASS is a fine state college system, the Dartmouth campus doesn't have a medical school.

And Tamerlan was the Heavyweight Champion of the World--not a regional Golden Gloves winner.

But then--I'm an astronaut....I keep saying it here on DU, I figure, eventually, folks will start to believe it if I repeat it with sufficient frequency...!

[temmer]

68. "I heard a couple of loud bangs and saw a couple of cop cars riding by,"

However, later in the day, some of those officials had backed off that preliminary account, and it's no longer clear what happened in the moments before the fatal shooting, The Associated Press reported.


"I heard a couple of loud bangs and saw a couple of cop cars riding by," said Jared Morse, who lives in the area. "They wouldn't let anyone out to see anything or anything like that, so they made us go back inside."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/22403812/fbi-shooting-orlando-moments-before-fatal-shooting-of-ibragim-todashev-still-unclear

[temmer]

69. "By 11:30 I heard a few pops or something..."

Gary Campagna, Orlando resident

http://www.boston.com/video/viral_page/?bctid=2402446154001

It looks like Todashev was shot at multiple times.

[jakeXT]

71. EXCLUSIVE: Todashev neighbors discuss FBI surveillance, shooting

Carvajal was under the impression that Todashev owned the property where he lived but Orange County Florida Property Appraiser records show Roman Shakhmanov (b. 12/13/1984) who is presently living in Houston, Texas, is the registered owner.

Shakhmanov purchased the condo in July 14, 2010 for $32,000. Records show that Roman’s complete name is Roman Gennadiyevich Shakhmanov, and that he is divorced from a Tatiana Bivol.


Carvajal also remarked that the gray Nissan with dark tinted glass was often in the neighborhood, engine running, with two men sitting inside.
...

Foremost in Carvajal’s mind is that Todashev could have been arrested at any time. He would often leave the condominium wearing little more than shorts, and obviously not concealing a weapon.

Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/freedom-press-not-free/2013/may/23/exclusive-todashev-neighbors-discuss-fbi-surveilla/