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Sat May 25, 2013, 09:05 PM

Anti-Muslim actions rise in UK over slain soldier

Source: AP-Excite

By SYLVIA HUI

LONDON (AP) - Police, politicians and activists in Britain are warning of rising anti-Muslim sentiment following the slaughter of an off-duty British soldier in a London street, an apparent act of Islamic extremism that has horrified the nation.

Metropolitan Police investigating the killing of Lee Rigby, a 25-year-old soldier who was run over by attackers then butchered by knives, arrested three more men in the murder investigation Saturday. Stun guns were used on two of the three men, aged 24 and 28, police said.

The latest arrests came as an estimated 1,500 members of an extremist right-wing group called the English Defense League marched in the northern English city of Newcastle, chanting Rigby's name. In the southern English city of Portsmouth, police arrested two men for a racially motivated assault as hundreds of demonstrators gathered near one mosque, while several more people were detained for alleged racist offenses elsewhere.

The two men suspected of killing the soldier, Michael Adebolajo, 28, and Michael Adebowale, 22, remained under armed guard in separate London hospitals after police shot them at the scene. Police have not officially named the suspects because they have not been charged, but British officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the investigation, have confirmed their names to The Associated Press.

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Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20130525/DA6GJ1200.html





In this Friday, May 24, 2013 file photo, military boots are laid in tribute outside the Woolwich Barracks, in London, in response to the bloody attack on Wednesday when a British soldier was killed in the nearby street. Counterterrorism police on Saturday were questioning a friend of Michael Adebolajo, one of two suspects in the savage killing of British soldier Lee Rigby. The friend, Abu Nusaybah, was arrested immediately after he gave a television interview telling his story about how Adebolajo may have become radicalized. (AP Photo/Bogdan Maran, File)

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Reply Anti-Muslim actions rise in UK over slain soldier (Original post)
Omaha Steve May 2013 OP
Tx4obama May 2013 #1
facismrising May 2013 #4
Confusious May 2013 #30
sulphurdunn May 2013 #2
Adam-Bomb May 2013 #3
obama4socialism May 2013 #6
hrmjustin May 2013 #7
Fumesucker May 2013 #10
In_The_Wind May 2013 #13
JOHNNY ENGLISH May 2013 #14
Quantess May 2013 #17
Skittles May 2013 #27
Adam-Bomb May 2013 #18
obama4socialism May 2013 #19
Adam-Bomb May 2013 #24
hrmjustin May 2013 #34
Ian David May 2013 #22
Adam-Bomb May 2013 #25
treestar May 2013 #36
itsrobert May 2013 #33
Ian David May 2013 #21
Adam-Bomb May 2013 #26
Violet_Crumble May 2013 #28
Adam-Bomb May 2013 #31
Violet_Crumble May 2013 #37
Ian David May 2013 #29
Zoeisright May 2013 #5
Nye Bevan May 2013 #8
CJCRANE May 2013 #9
Quantess May 2013 #11
closeupready May 2013 #32
jessie04 May 2013 #12
Posteritatis May 2013 #16
quadrature May 2013 #15
Quantess May 2013 #35
Franker65 May 2013 #20
Pelican May 2013 #23

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 09:15 PM

1. And another soldier was stabbed today. French Soldier Stabbed In Neck In Paris


French Soldier Stabbed In Neck In Paris

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014492860


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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #1)

Sun May 26, 2013, 12:02 AM

4. This is going to be a cyclical continuous problem.

 

When a regions is continually invaded and plundered(as the middle east has been since the rise of Catholic Europe, followed by the discovery of oil and occupation by France, England and now America) the people of that region are going to radicalize against the occupiers.
The west could easily end this by repaying the Middle Eastern nations for the value of the plunder taken since ancient times, then set up a sustainable energy infrastructure in their own nations so they are no longer dependant on Middle Eastern oil to cheaply power their economies.
In the western economies there are many intellectuals calling for such actions. Men such as Michael Parenti, Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges, John Perkins, Howard Zinn etc. have all written on the subject, and many others pertaining to the effects of occupation and war on native populations.
Movements such as Occupy, Zeitgeist, The Venus Project advocate economic security, environmental sustainability and energy independence.
Ridding ourselves of Dependance on Middle Eastern oil is an absolute necessity to guarantee the safety of our nation both economically and from a security stance.

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Response to facismrising (Reply #4)

Tue May 28, 2013, 08:23 AM

30. Spend more time with a history book

When a regions is continually invaded and plundered(as the middle east has been since the rise of Catholic Europe, followed by the discovery of oil and occupation by France, England and now America) the people of that region are going to radicalize against the occupiers.


The middle east was controlled by the Ottoman empire from about the 15th century until 1920. Before that, other Muslim empires, all the way back to the 8th century. The British and the French on controlled it for 30 years. "continually plundered and invaded" my ass. Oh, if you want to talk about the crusades, the Muslims were killing and "plundering" in Europe at the time. check it out in a "history book."

Maybe Turkey, a Muslim country, should do the repaying for the 500 years they controlled the region, or the other Muslim empires for the 700 years before that.

Egypt is a different story, but the the British were only there for 100 years, and only for the Suez canal, which they paid to build.

The west could easily end this by repaying the Middle Eastern nations for the value of the plunder taken since ancient times


See above "plunder since ancient times" my ass. Maybe the Muslims should repay the west for taking it from the Byzantines. Or the Romans from the Byzantines. Or the Seleucids from the Romans. Good luck finding them. Utter stupidity.

I don't know if you heard, but there's this thing called OPEC, and they set their own prices, and their prices caused a thing called an "oil shock" during the 70's. If we were controlling everything, why fuck ourselves like that?

Your post is a perfect example of why I don't come here much anymore. Ideology over facts, or just plain old derp. "Europeans have done all the evil in the world since humans walked upright!" derp. derp. derp.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 09:19 PM

2. It has always

 

been the case that the innocent become victims by association of such insane behavior. Curse those bastards.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 10:03 PM

3. Could have told them that...

Pissing off a bunch of Brits is NEVER a good idea. That reprehensible attack
will have consequences.

Expect to see the same in France, too.

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Response to Adam-Bomb (Reply #3)

Sun May 26, 2013, 12:50 AM

6. Of course it is completely alright for the west to indiscriminately kill Middle Easterners and wage

 

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economic and other forms of warfare against defenseless nations simply because you require CHEAP ACCESS TO THEIR OIL?

You, like many westerners, seem to hold the opinion that it is only alright to fight to protect your sovereignty if you're of European descent.
No wonder the richest nations in the world voted against or abstained from U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_on_the_Rights_of_Indigenous_Peoples#Criticism

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Response to obama4socialism (Reply #6)

Sun May 26, 2013, 12:52 AM

7. Welcome to DU my friend!

 

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Response to obama4socialism (Reply #6)

Sun May 26, 2013, 05:44 AM

10. Welcome to DU!

Your name is hilarious given a lot of the arguments on this board..





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Response to obama4socialism (Reply #6)

Sun May 26, 2013, 02:03 PM

13. Hello obama4socialism

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Response to obama4socialism (Reply #6)

Sun May 26, 2013, 05:17 PM

14. EVERYBODY INVOLVED IS WRONG.

We shouldn't be in the middle east,we have fuck all business there, I agree they should come out of there save british tax payers millions, I think the big problem are the agitators,like chaudhry,the mans an idiot,if he thinks the "English" will bow to his laws he is a fool ,and if hes still confident then crack on! eventually he will be on a plane back to his own country,can only take so much of this horse shit before something has to be done.And why do young muslim males give you dirty looks in the street? strange,and dangerous.As another guy has already said on here,pissing off the british is a really bad move.dont do it. I have muslim friends and they agree the gobshytes trying to take over in the u.k are just a joke its never gonna happen. As for the young guy they killed in Woolwich ,two against one,they had to run him over to make sure the odds stayed with them,who knows,if they had faced him as men,maybe he might have kicked fuck out of the pair of them,in the end, a female police officer takes them down! .If you cause trouble in London or anywhere else in the u.k prepare to reap the whirlwind of OUR LAW ! remember as the old song says,there will always be an England..ruled by the English .if you don't like it,you know where the airport is..

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Response to JOHNNY ENGLISH (Reply #14)

Sun May 26, 2013, 06:36 PM

17. What's this all about now?

You asked for crack but bought horse shit instead? Well, I can understand why you're dissatisfied.

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Response to JOHNNY ENGLISH (Reply #14)

Mon May 27, 2013, 11:14 PM

27. PUT DOWN THE PIPE AND GET SOME SLEEP JOHNNY ENGLISH

YES INDEED

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Response to obama4socialism (Reply #6)

Sun May 26, 2013, 10:56 PM

18. What in the Blue Hell are you going on about?

Two crazy guys run over a fellow, stab, mutilate and behead him
and you are somehow saying it is wrong for folks to be upset about
it? What reaction should they have, glee? Acceptance? Shame? Guilt?

Did you see the video of these two animals while they were waiting
for the police to show up? That video guaranteed a negative response.

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Response to Adam-Bomb (Reply #18)

Mon May 27, 2013, 03:07 AM

19. No people don't have a right to be upset!?!? The same scene plays out daily

 

in countries where there is oil to harvest! The same events daily are inflicted upon innocents through the propagation of radicalism and hatred which is FUNDED by rich western nations that refine and extract tons of oil, and require cheap compliant access to maintain MASSIVE PROFITS.
We use warfare to squash state owned ventures to saying we are freeing people from DICTATORS, all while we maintain wonderful relations with other dictators and monarchies that prop up the petrodollar system.
The people that the bombs are getting dropped on don't care anything about this. They hate us, and rightfully so. THEY ARE BEING TERRORIZED EVERYDAY TO MAINTAIN THE WESTERN WORLDS CHEAPNESS.
If we REALLY want to enjoy SAFETY we need to remove our troops from any and all foreign territories and worry about our own wastelands of unemployment, underpaid and undereducated at home.

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Response to obama4socialism (Reply #19)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:31 PM

24. You and I are not talking about the same thing

Was that British soldier personally responsible for the West's
use of Middle Eastern oil? Did he set policy?

Committing heinous acts of violence is NOT an acceptable
way to address one's grievances, all that does is create
more problems, as we are seeing.

Those two animals had to know that, did they commit this
outrage for that purpose?

There is NO excuse for what those two did, none.

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Response to obama4socialism (Reply #19)

Tue May 28, 2013, 12:53 PM

34. Yes nut we can still be upset by this soldiers murder.

 

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Response to Adam-Bomb (Reply #18)

Mon May 27, 2013, 07:45 AM

22. Of course people will be upset.

Do you think the proper response is random violence against all Muslims?

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Response to Ian David (Reply #22)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:33 PM

25. No, not proper, but expected

I am saddened by the repsonse, but I am not surprised by it.

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Response to Adam-Bomb (Reply #18)

Tue May 28, 2013, 03:04 PM

36. Not attacking Muslims generally

Why should other Muslims be attacked because of one Muslim's actions?

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Response to obama4socialism (Reply #6)

Tue May 28, 2013, 12:39 PM

33. However, it is not justification

to indiscriminately retaliate.

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Response to Adam-Bomb (Reply #3)

Mon May 27, 2013, 07:39 AM

21. Do you think that random Muslims in Britain deserve to be subject to crowd violence?

These consequences you speak of... do you think that every Muslim in Britain deserves them? Do you look forward to these consequences?

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Response to Ian David (Reply #21)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:46 PM

26. What kind of person do you think I am?

I don't think ANY innocents deserve to be punished for what they
didn't do. The average person in the street is not culpable. Sadly,
they are as......"handy" sometimes as that slain soldier was.

And, no, I don't look forward to Muslims in Britain being set upon in
retaliation for the soldier being slain. It doesn't surprise me is
all. Right or wrong, Brits can get pretty freaking mad sometimes.
We get that trait from them, do we not?

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Response to Adam-Bomb (Reply #26)

Tue May 28, 2013, 02:29 AM

28. Someone who mistakes the population of Britain for the EDL?

Because it's the EDL, not the British, who are so freaking mad that they're attacking Muslims and mosques. And when you say that it's no surprise to you that there's attacks on Muslims because of what happened, do you also think it's no surprise that the British soldier was murdered? After all, in both cases they're innocent people being held responsible for something they're not responsible for...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #28)

Tue May 28, 2013, 10:44 AM

31. Wait a minute...

"No surprise that the British soldier was murdered?" What the hell
did HE do to deserve his fate? He was walking on the sidewalk when
he was set upon by those two maniacs. Those two radicals STARTED
this chain of events. Absent those two, would any of the subsequent
actions have taken place?

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Response to Adam-Bomb (Reply #31)

Wed May 29, 2013, 07:52 AM

37. You seem to have totally missed the point...

You said it was no surprise that innocent Muslims were becoming the victims of anti-Muslim violence and hatred at the hands of those who blame all Muslims for the actions of the murderers, yet now get upset because you don't think the same way when it comes to an innocent soldier who became a victim of violence at the hands of those who blamed British soldiers for the deaths of people in countries the US and the UK have been attacking. Why would it be a surprise to you when the murderers so clearly stated why they murdered him? Or are things only 'no surprise' when it's Muslims who are the targets?


And what you said about the British population was stereotyping. You can't take the ugly and revolting reaction of creatures like the EDL and act as though that's the British population's reaction, because it's most definitely not...

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Response to Adam-Bomb (Reply #26)

Tue May 28, 2013, 06:51 AM

29. Just checking. n/t

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 12:29 AM

5. And the cycle of stupidity continues.

The human race is doomed. And justifiably so.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 12:56 AM

8. Peaceful protests against Jihadist brutality are fine,

and are to be expected after incidents like the soldier being beheaded in the street. But attacking mosques is of course unacceptable.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #8)

Sun May 26, 2013, 04:09 AM

9. Yes, "Jihadist" and "Jihadism" are the correct terms.

It's moved beyond "Islamism" (and Islamists aren't necessarily Jihadists).

The Jihadists are like a cult. It's a distinct schism way outside of the mainstream.

My attention was drawn to a jihadist message board a few months ago which I read intensively (using google translate where necessary) so I've come to understand what motivates them. Western foreign policy is an element of it but it's not the main thing. There may also be some kind of hypnotic element involved. I may write a post about it at some point.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 05:57 AM

11. The riots in Stockholm going on right now

are not helping muslims' image in europe.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #11)

Tue May 28, 2013, 11:25 AM

32. Ah, yes. When I saw your name, I predicted your response,

 

accurately, as it happens.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 06:17 AM

12. No one can be that surprised.

 

One isolated incident and now they want to harass the entire Muslim population. Why do they want to offend them ?

I'm against this attack but we have to look deeper into the situation. They want to live under sharia law and have their own land in and now the UK. offends them.

Remember 7/7 ?

I mean.....It's bigoted to criticize his religion, right .

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Response to jessie04 (Reply #12)

Sun May 26, 2013, 06:20 PM

16. So "they" are a monolith? (nt)

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 05:50 PM

15. when does Paris' car-torching-festival start? nt.

 

nt

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Response to quadrature (Reply #15)

Tue May 28, 2013, 01:30 PM

35. Car-torching is going on in Stockholm.

Over a hundred cars around the suburbs of Stockholm have been set ablaze in riots over the past week.
It's slowed down almost to nothing, but the past 2 nights a few cars have burned per night.

You asked.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 03:58 AM

20. Two nutcases, normal muslims shouldn't take the blame

Seems like a random act if you ask me. As sad as it was, there is no need for a backlash against the entire muslim population.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 12:25 PM

23. Saw that one coming...

 

The sad part is that the folks that deserve it will not be on the receiving end...

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