Texas Legislature Approves Bill Allowing Guns In Cars On College Campuses

[DonViejo]

Source: TPM

HUNTER WALKER 1:02 PM EDT, MONDAY MAY 27, 2013

The Texas Legislature approved a final version of a bill Sunday that would allow students with gun licenses to keep their firearms in cars on college campuses. Following this approval, the bill will be headed to Governor Rick Perry to be signed into law.

Colleges are currently allowed to prohibit guns on their property. Backers of the bill argue faculty and staff members already are permitted to bring their guns to campus in cars.

The House and Senate had already approved separate versions of the bill, which was proposed by Republican State Senator Glenn Hegar. On Sunday both chambers gave final approval to a joint version of the bill.

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[Flashmann]

1. Edited to say

Never mind...I'm having trouble believing this...

[Agnosticsherbet]

2. I have no trouble believing Texas would legalize driveby's on Campas...Friendly to education

they are not.

Next bill, I assume, will be open season on college professors.

[premium]

7. You think this bill legalizes drive by's?

#implied%20facepalm%20640x496

[Kingofalldems]

9. That's not what was posted

Why are you making things up and then insulting DUers?

[premium]

10. Yeah, that's what was written.

I have no trouble believing Texas would legalize driveby's on Campas...Friendly to education
they are not

Besides, poster should speak for themselves if that's not what was meant.

BTW, I wasn't insulting the poster per se, I was ridiculing what was written.

[Kingofalldems]

12. He never posted that the bill legalizes drivebys

Probably should re-read it. Would does not mean did.

And of course you meant to insult.

[premium]

14. Maybe you should let the poster explain,

instead of trying to be their mouthpiece.

I have no trouble believing Texas would legalize driveby's on Campas...Friendly to education
they are not.

[Kingofalldems]

21. Words mean things

I am sure you are familiar with that phrase.

[premium]

22. Yes I am, are you? nt.

[Agnosticsherbet]

11. When Republicans pass voter ID laws, they do not say they are stopping people from

voting. That is the clear result. Nobody here has trouble looking at the result and saying that is what they are doing.
Most of the laws passed to allow police to racially profile people do not mention profiling, but it is clear that is the intent. They want to stop everyone darker than vanilla Ice Cream in hopes they can ship them back to Mexico.
Laws to require women to report a miscarriage to the police are intended to subjugate women and keep them from being indepenent thinking beings.
A law that makes it easier to commit drivebys and makes campuses even more dangerous than they are should be called what is. It is an attack on public safety and attack on education.

I'm not attacking anyone here. I am not raining hate on the great state of Texas. I am pointing out the likely affect of the law will be to make gun violence easier.

[premium]

13. How will this make gun violence easier?

You honestly think this bill will make it easier for someone to commit gun violence?
Washington State colleges have allowed concealed carry for years, no violence there from those that have carried weapons?
Colorado State colleges have allowed it for a few years also, where's the violence from those that carry?

Someone bent on committing violence on college campus' are not going to care if there is a law allowing or banning the storage of firearms in their vehicles.


BTW, I didn't say that you were hating on Texas, I never got that from your comment.

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. Perhaps you haven't noticed that the more guns are available, the greater the gun violence.

This is a fact acrossed our society, where gun violence across the nation has a fatality rate of a medium intensity war.

I know the ideology of guns teaches that having guns makes people safer. That is simply not true. Ideologically driven laws to expand the presence guns in society result in more gun violence.

[premium]

17. Then why hasn't there been a corresponding increase in gun violence

at the colleges that allow for the legal carrying of firearms?

Matter of fact, the worse mass shooting at a college happened at a gun free campus, Virginia Tech when Cho shot and killed 32.

[Agnosticsherbet]

19. The death toll of gun violence is clear in the U.S. of A.

It has been shown here in many places that reasonable gun laws reduce the violence.
Yes, you can pull out statistics designed to prove something, but compared to the pile of dead bodies they prove nothing.
Guns lead to more death, just a carbon dioxide leads to global warming. I long ago tired of arguing with those who denied global warming. They have an agenda they will never evaluate any real evidence that doesn't justify their narrow belief.

Widespread gun ownership does not make people safer.

[premium]

20. The firearm death toll in the U.S. is unacceptable,

but over half of those firearms deaths are suicides, not homicides. There are gun control laws I think would make a difference along with some other social programs.
Let's start with new laws, UBC, stiffer penalties for trafficking, stiffer penalties for straw purchases, a national gun owners license, a mag. limit modeled after Colorado's new law.

Here are some of the social things that can be done to reduce the firearms violence,
End this insane and failed War on Drugs, end these endless wars and reduce the defense budget, funnel the money into social programs, things like education, revitalizing our inner cities, fund a massive program to rebuild our infrastructure which would create millions of jobs, better funding of mental health care.

These are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head, it shouldn't be just about new gun control laws, but several different aspects of our society.

[Eleanors38]

28. Your views are closer to theology...

Check out the crime rates in this country over the last 20 yrs. (way down). Now check out the number of guns in civilian hands over the last 20 yrs. (way up).

Controller/banners have moved beyond "ideology" to embrace a theology of causation that won't stand scrutiny.

[Kolesar]

34. Murder and mayhem doesn't happen in England and Australia

... where firearms are not available, at the rate of gun violence in America.

"Ideology", my ass, Steve

[Eleanors38]

44. The question was crime rates (down) and guns in circulation (up), not Australia & England.

Yes, the "more guns = more crime" has long been doctrinal cant within the controller/banner community. And further, it is not proven.

[Kolesar]

47. ^NRA talking points ... eom

[Eleanors38]

51. No, the correct citation is NRAtalkingPoint™ No. 32501, or

Varifiable statistics, for the generically-inclined.

[LiberalFighter]

3. They should also be required to have a sticker on their truck windshield.

Indicating they have a permit.

[cstanleytech]

5. Bad idea, it would just single them out for people to break into and steal the guns. nt

[Blue_Tires]

48. it's a college campus -- it's already a very ripe target for theft...

why anyone thinks this is a good idea, i will never know

[premium]

6. Now that's a good idea,

just make it easier for thieves to know which vehicles to break into.

[Paladin]

16. Kind of like those "This Truck Protected By Smith & Wesson" Stickers.

Those were fairly popular a few years back among some Gun Enthusiasts. Funny how you don't see those stickers any more.....

[premium]

18. Every time I saw one of those stickers,

I had to LOL thinking that, nice advertisement for a vehicle that might have a firearm in it.

A fellow colleague of mine told me back in the 90's, if you were going from the U.S. to Canada and you had one of those stupid stickers, you would be singled out for extra scrutiny by the Canadian Customs Officers.

[Eleanors38]

32. Don't advertise to crims you have guns.

[Paladin]

33. Words to live by......

[Eleanors38]

45. Only with my closest friends do I share my home-defense procedures...

In fact, my hunting, gun-toting friends have not told me there plans, either. And I haven't asked.

[ExCop-LawStudent]

4. This is another example of the Texas Lege doing nothing...

Students can already bring their handguns onto campus property if they leave it in their car. State law only prohibits carrying a firearm inside of a building on campus.

They also don't have to have a concealed handgun license, so long as the handgun stayed in the car and concealed. Posting a 30.06 sign doesn't do anything outside of a building.

The only thing that the schools were able to do is to make it a violation of policy, without criminal sanctions.

Not surprisingly, the media screwed up a bunch of facts in reporting this.

[Kingofalldems]

8. Looks like the NRA gun republicans loving this one.

[Eleanors38]

29. You hang out at their web sites? Why? This is a Democratic site.

[SoapBox]

24. Guns = Death

EOM.

[premium]

25. Poisons=Death,

Knives=Death,
Nerve Agents=Death,
Bombs=Death.

EOM.

[Kolesar]

36. Are you going to start blogging about "hammers"

...like Sarah Palin and the other 'pukes were doing half a year ago?

[premium]

41. So it's about the instrument of death.

Are you less dead if killed by any other instrument than by a gun?
Dead is dead, no matter if you're dead by a firearm or by a hammer/vehicle/knife/poison/nerve agent/bomb.

[Mr.Pain]

26. I know this is going to rile people but...

What good is a gun in the trunk?

[Eleanors38]

30. When attending the U. of Florida, I put a shotgun in my trunk

so I could use it for hunting after classes. Years later, I would do the same where I would work.

[GreenStormCloud]

49. You can also have the gun in the glove box.

Or anywhere inside the car that is out of sight and the car is locked.

[Sunlei]

27. oh great, more parking lot car break-ins and more used guns for texas pawn shops.

[Eleanors38]

31. Umm, don't think crims are gonna rush out & start a wave of car break-ins.

[Sunlei]

37. haven't you noticed and homes too to find gold jewelry to sell to the 'we buy your gold' entrepreneur

easy stolen stuff is big business for pawn shops and the 'we buy your gold' people.

[Eleanors38]

43. The market for gold is relevant how?

The question is why crims & thugs would suddenly turn to wide-spread car break-ins to get guns when the likelihood of finding guns is likely to be little different with this "new law?" In many states, locking guns in your car has been going on for years, and there is little to indicate that will change. And I have yet to see a significant change in the rate of car break-ins.

[The Straight Story]

40. So if someone steals from you (or other things) it is the fault of the victim?

[Sunlei]

42. somewhat the fault of the 'used gun' buyer industry and the 'gold 'scrap' buyer' industry.

If there was no market for these items we would have less 'petty' crime.

I wouldn't mind so much if every person who wanted a gun in their car had to be registered permit only, much like my carry texas permit.

And the criminal penalities for a gun in the car with no-permit- were very harsh with huge fines.

[ExCop-LawStudent]

52. There's no gun registration in Texas

and no penalty for having a gun in your car.

[Kolesar]

35. So, some hormonal teen is only steps away from killing a classmate or teacher

Great

I graduated from the campus with the highest crime rate in Ohio and I did not need a weapon.

[Sunlei]

38. a gun in the car adds to road rage peoples magical powers :)

Seems that way to me. You can't even look at some people who cut you off anymore or much less toot your horn at them without the monster awakening. raise your hand if you have seen them 'show a gun'?? /raises hand.

[Kolesar]

39. Not in cars--I've just seen the idiots shooting in backyards, mutilating pets, ...

... and destroying property.

[hack89]

46. This law applies to 21 year and older adults - not teenagers. nt

[GreenStormCloud]

50. Can you guarantee that everyone else will have your good luck?

You said, "I graduated from the campus with the highest crime rate in Ohio...". That means that there were people who were victims of crime and didn't have your good luck. Yet you somehow believe that your good luck will be universal for everyone else. I choose not to trust to luck, and am armed. If I stay lucky, and never need the gun for self protection, that is good. But if my luck runs out, then I am ready.