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alp227

(32,015 posts)
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:54 PM May 2013

Immigrants Give More to Medicare Than They Receive, a Study Finds

Source: new york times

Immigrants have contributed billions of dollars more to Medicare in recent years than the program has paid out on their behalf, according to a new study, a pattern that goes against the notion that immigrants are a drain on federal health care spending.

The study, led by researchers at Harvard Medical School, measured immigrants’ contributions to the part of Medicare that pays for hospital care, a trust fund that accounts for nearly half of the federal program’s revenue. It found that immigrants generated surpluses totaling $115 billion from 2002 to 2009. In comparison, the American-born population incurred a deficit of $28 billion over the same period.

The findings shed light what demographers have long known: Immigrants are crucial in balancing the age structure of American society, providing an infusion of young, working-age adults who support the country’s aging population and help cover the costs of Medicare and Social Security. And with the largest generation in the United States, the baby boomers, now starting to retire, the financial help from immigrants has never been more needed, experts said.

Individual immigrant contributions were roughly the same as those of American citizens, the study found, but immigrants as a group received less than they paid in, largely because they were younger on average than the American-born population and fewer of them were old enough to be eligible for benefits. The median age of Hispanics, whose foreign-born contingent is by far the largest immigrant group, is 27, according to the Brookings Institution. The median age of whites in the United States is 42.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/health/immigrants-give-more-to-medicare-than-they-receive-a-study-finds.html?pagewanted=all

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Immigrants Give More to Medicare Than They Receive, a Study Finds (Original Post) alp227 May 2013 OP
The study is ignoring... Bully Taw May 2013 #1
Is there anything to base than on except ignorance? Say some legitimate research? n/t jtuck004 May 2013 #5
how's this? Bully Taw May 2013 #6
As insufficient as I expected it would be. According to that link, they are jtuck004 May 2013 #7
I get an email from my neighbor who pretty much hates anyone who isn't a white person madokie May 2013 #2
When people go to the emergency room for regular medical care, and can not robinlynne May 2013 #3
Another point, if I may WilmywoodNCparalegal May 2013 #4
 

Bully Taw

(194 posts)
1. The study is ignoring...
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:19 PM
May 2013

that immigrants, primarily illegal immigrants, take significantly more than they pay in with regard to Medicaid and other free medical services. I am not against this, mind you, but this story is really less than truthful if it is implying that immigrants, illegal or legal, contribute more than they consume with regard to the healthcare system.

 

Bully Taw

(194 posts)
6. how's this?
Thu May 30, 2013, 09:15 AM
May 2013
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/02/how-undocumented-immigrants-sometimes-receive-medicaid-treatment.html

As I said, I am not against covering these costs as it is not right to deny healthcare coverage to anyone, illegal or not. My only point is that the article is misleading.

I do enjoy those people, yup you down below, that just assumes anyone that would discuss the downside of illegal immigration (and there are some, as well as some upside too) is a racist. That sort of generalization is what perpetuates racism in the first place and just shows how ignorant they are.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
7. As insufficient as I expected it would be. According to that link, they are
Thu May 30, 2013, 01:27 PM
May 2013

estimating 2 billion a year. Yet without even reading further than the blurb the OP provided...

"The study, led by researchers at Harvard Medical School, measured immigrants’ contributions to the part of Medicare that pays for hospital care, a trust fund that accounts for nearly half of the federal program’s revenue. It found that immigrants generated surpluses totaling $115 billion from 2002 to 2009. In comparison, the American-born population incurred a deficit of $28 billion over the same period."

that article shows immigrants paid in $13.5 billion/year in the same period. That's a net gain for the U.S. Medicare portion that pays to hospitals.

No one said that some undocumented people don't get care they do not pay for, but the loss that so many like to pretend happens, doesn't. Also, as your article points out, most of that care is for deliveries. Most of the loss in hospital Medicare coverage for citizens is at the end of their lives, from the wildy expensive and many times un-reimbursed end-of-life care.

Your assertion is bogus.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
2. I get an email from my neighbor who pretty much hates anyone who isn't a white person
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:27 PM
May 2013

on about a weekly average on how much the illegals, he calls them, are costing us in healthcare. I've given up on trying to educate him but I did send him this so maybe he'll shut up about this. No he won't even acknowledge that he got the email from me and in a couple weeks I'll start getting the same shit from him again. It wouldn't be so bad except he claims to be super religious, Southern Baptist is what he claims to be. The devil incarnate is more like it.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
3. When people go to the emergency room for regular medical care, and can not
Wed May 29, 2013, 06:06 PM
May 2013

pay their bills, is it medicare who pays? Sounds very odd to me. Why would medicare pay for those bills?
In other words, the issue of causing medical bills, which the public pays in one way or another, has nothing to do with medicare.

So, basically, this article says that legal immigrants tend to have not yet retired.

WilmywoodNCparalegal

(2,654 posts)
4. Another point, if I may
Wed May 29, 2013, 07:44 PM
May 2013

Those who are unauthorized to work in the U.S. may be using fake social security numbers and somehow made it past the I-9 stage to get a job. Their Medicare contributions would then go to a social security account that either does not exist or belongs to someone else.

Of course, these workers would not be able to take advantage of their contributions if they went to a social security number that is not real or belongs to someone else.

On that topic, an employee found out last week that her social security number is or was used by 10 other people spread across the U.S. Her credit is in shambles and she is working with the IRS to reconcile earnings and withholdings. She is a widow who lost her husband to throat cancer just two years ago and is still working at her age because she can't afford to retire. It looks like she has a few more years to go, unfortunately.

I also wanted to add that most non-immigrant visa holders - H-1Bs, Ls, Es, TNs, Os, Ps, Qs, etc. - are also contributing but may not necessarily benefit, since most of them will end up leaving the U.S. at some point.

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