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[Th1onein]

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[asjr]

1. And so it begins.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

2. YES! And Snowden provided a whole list of names of those being spied upon

This is just what we have been waiting for to gain legal standing in court, it has been long past time for this to be brought to the light of day and be decided on by our courts.

Do we live in a secret totalitarian state or not?

[Swede Atlanta]

3. Snowden is the hero of the year......

I do not normally support snitches that involve possible impact on our national security....

But in this case when the invasions are so egregious, oversight nonexistent, and we have literally tens of thousands of PRIVATE company employees collecting, collating and analyzing our personal information the time has come to say NO MORE.

If you are not outraged then you are brain-dead.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

4. Yes, a real American (and world) Patriot, one man who could not be bought

[rhett o rick]

7. This is the first I've heard of this. Do you have a link? nm

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

8. ACLU: 2/26/13 Supreme Court Dismisses ACLU’s Challenge to NSA Warrantless Wiretapping Law

WASHINGTON – In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court ruled today that clients of the American Civil Liberties Union lack standing to challenge a broad surveillance law enacted by Congress in 2008 because they cannot prove that surveillance of their communications is "certainly impending." The lawsuit challenged the FISA Amendments Act, which authorizes the National Security Agency to conduct dragnet surveillance of Americans' international emails and phone calls without identifying its targets to any court.

"It's a disturbing decision. The FISA Amendments Act is a sweeping surveillance statute with far-reaching implications for Americans' privacy. This ruling insulates the statute from meaningful judicial review and leaves Americans' privacy rights to the mercy of the political branches," said ACLU Deputy Legal Director Jameel Jaffer, who argued the case before the justices on October 29, when the court stayed open despite the approach of Hurricane Sandy, which shut down the rest of the federal government.

"Justice Alito's opinion for the court seems to be based on the theory that the FISA Court may one day, in some as-yet unimagined case, subject the law to constitutional review, but that day may never come. And if it does, the proceeding will take place in a court that meets in secret, doesn't ordinarily publish its decisions, and has limited authority to consider constitutional arguments. This theory is foreign to the Constitution and inconsistent with fundamental democratic values," Jaffer said.

The ACLU filed the lawsuit in July 2008 on behalf of a coalition of attorneys and human rights, labor, legal and media organizations whose work requires them to engage in sensitive telephone and email communications with people outside the U.S. They include colleagues, clients, sources and victims of human rights abuses. The plaintiffs include Amnesty International USA, Human Rights Watch, The Nation, PEN American Center, and the Service Employees International Union. The government claimed that the plaintiffs should not be able to sue without first showing they have actually been monitored under the program. The government had previously argued that for national security reasons it could not disclose the identities of those who had been monitored.

In March 2011, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit rejected the government's argument. The government's request for reconsideration by the full Second Circuit was rejected the following September, and the government then asked the Supreme Court to consider the case. Although the case was filed by the ACLU during the Bush administration, the Obama administration defended the Bush administration's positions at the Supreme Court.

more...
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/supreme-court-dismisses-aclus-challenge-nsa-warrantless-wiretapping-law

[rhett o rick]

9. You said Snowden had a list of specific people being spied on. That's what I would

like to read more about.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

10. Glenn Greenwald reported that on good morning america

I saw it on a clip here today, don't know where it got to though, sorry.

[rhett o rick]

12. No problem. I will keep my eyes open. nm

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

15. Just found the video: at about 3:20 in (LINK)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2994710

[ProSense]

5. Larry Klayman is a RW kook. n/t

[Archae]

6. I figured a rabid anti-Obama lawyer was behind this.

Larry Klayman is lawsuit-happy, and a child molester.

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2012/klaymanlawyer.html

[L0oniX]

11. Shhhh ...government implants have infected DU. Agent Mike's group has gotten very large.

[cliffordu]

13. Ah, BULLSHIT.

I'd bet these Seals died at the Bin Laden compound, in that magic helicopter that burned to ash with no one on board.

The shooting down of the Seal helicopter in Afghanistan a month or three later, containing the SAME FUCKING GUYS that took out Bin Laden is all bullshit.

This is the equivalent of a 'training accident' killing a bunch of guys.

37 Seals in the same chopper?

I'll need a Seal to confirm they travel in groups that large.

All the Seals I've known run around in groups of 6 or 8 or 10.

Never the size of Ranger companies.

The Bin Laden compound was an anomaly, IMNSHO.

As usual, YMMV



Pfthhh

[dixiegrrrrl]

19. Like the training incident that killed the 2 FBI guys from the Boston bombing?

That news was a weird one..had no idea FBI trained for "Special Forces" rapelling from a helicopter...
and that so soon after the bomber was captured in the boat, that these 2 FBI guys were be in a repelling exercise and BOTH killed at once.
All co-incidence, I am sure.

[Democracyinkind]

22. When was it confirmed that they had anything to do with Boston?

[dixiegrrrrl]

30. Several news reports couple days after accident reported.

[Democracyinkind]

31. That I read. I want to see evidence that they were directly involved.

To my knowledge, none exists. I was looking very hard for that piece of information. All I got was that they were part of a tactical response team that was in the general vicinity, probably on stand by. As of yet, no indication that either of the two interacted directly with the Boston Bombers. They certainly weren't part of the team that made the arrest, as far as I can tell.

[Democracyinkind]

23. 37 seals in one chopper -- faulty reporting...

Obama killing Seals? I'm reading this on DU?

[cliffordu]

34. That is NOT what I was saying-

I was saying that the chopper in the Bin Laden raid magically burned with no one on it.

Then, (As far as the first reports I read were concerned) the same Seals in Team 6 were shot down about a month later.

Apparently that supposition is wrong on my part because downthread a little ways there's a different story.


What I was saying is that the military didn't want to admit a cluster of Seals were killed at the bin Laden raid, so manufactured the story of the shooting down of the helicopter a month or so later.

See:

Pat Tillman

That girl who they 'rescued' from the hospital in Iraq.

The list goes on.

[Democracyinkind]

36. Ok. Sorry.

I frequent connspiracy sites and they're just sure that Obama offed them as well as those FBI Agents.

I don't trust the Military one bit. Sorry for jumping on you. I share your concerns.

Alas, I am heavily invested in the belief that what happened to Pat Tillman could not happen under Obama. Call me naive if you want.

[Brother Buzz]

26. Only 22 SEALs died on that magic helicopter

CBS/AP/ August 6, 2011, 5:11 AM
22 Navy SEALs dead in Afghan chopper crash


KABUL, Afghanistan -- A helicopter crash in Afghanistan's eastern Wardak province has killed 30 U.S. special operation troops and seven Afghan soldiers, the country's president said on Saturday. It was the highest number of casualties recorded in a single incident in the decade-long war.

Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, U.S. officials said Saturday.

More than 20 U.S. special operations forces killed, most of them Navy SEALs, according to CBS News correspondent David Martin in Washington.

Although Martin earlier reported that they were not members of SEAL Team 6, as some reports claimed, he is now reporting that It was Navy SEAL Team 6 but no members of bin Laden raid. The total of American dead appears to be 30, and we can say they came from the Navy, Air Force and Army, most of them Navy SEALs from Team 6.

<more>

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-3480_162-20089003.html

[telclaven]

29. Considering most helo flights are CH47s

Due to the extreme altitude, the CH47 is one of the few helicopters capable of sustained operations and flight. Seats up to 55. Anything over 30, however, and it's a pure bitch of a flight.

[Democracyinkind]

32. From news article posted below

"No members of bin laden raid on board"...

So... yeah... woo on?

[treestar]

14. They sound kind of paranoid

And without any evidence but a lot of insinuation.

[JI7]

24. it is, the lawyer is a birther who sued his own mother

[rug]

16. This lawsuit is not designed to get at the truth.

In 2012, Klayman filed on behalf of a Florida resident an unsuccessful challenge to Barack Obama's placement on the primary ballot and claimed that the latter is not a natural-born citizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Klayman

[Ash_F]

17. Article is confusing

"They are Charles and Mary Ann Strange, the parents of a Navy SEAL who was killed along with 37 others, when his helicopter was shot down in Afghanistan in 2011. Several of the families of those lost in the attack have questioned the Defense Department's official story of the incident — one of the deadliest single events of the entire war for American troops — and they specifically blame President Obama's polices for leading to those deaths. Among their many complaints: that Afghan forces working with the Americans may have set them up; that because many of those killed that day were members of the same unit that killed Osama bin Laden, publicizing their role in the earlier mission made them targets for retaliation; and that rules of engagement prevented the helicopter and the men on it from fighting back. They also claim that a Muslim cleric was invited to speak at the funeral, who then insulted the dead servicemen in Arabic, although there's little evidence to support that charge."

Are the Stranges making all of the bolded claims? It seems like it, but the way they injected 'Several of the families' is throwing me off.

[still_one]

18. They better have real evidence except heresy, or this is another Orly Taitz. I am very skeptical

until I see the proof

[Th1onein]

20. Heresy? WTF?

You must mean hearsay?

[still_one]

28. Hearsay, yes, that is what I meant, but I am going to leave heresy, since it provides some levity.

Thanks

[treestar]

33. You will be visited by the Spanish Inquisition

[Democracyinkind]

25. The woo on this thread is strong.

In fact, I remember people that were PPR'd for promoting the clinton death list hoax... Now you can imply that Obama faked the Bin Laden Raid and subsequently ordered the Seals killed. Or you can imply that je had 2 FBI agents killed for their involvement in the Boston case.

Times have changed...

[HooptieWagon]

27. The records are kept to protect the PTB.

What? You think they give a shit about us?

[Kingofalldems]

35. Larry Klayman.

Total crap. And follow the money.