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bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 05:18 PM Feb 2012

Stephen Breyer robbed at West Indies vacation home

WASHINGTON — A Supreme Court spokeswoman says Justice Stephen Breyer was robbed last week by a machete-wielding intruder at his vacation home in the West Indies.

Spokeswoman Kathy Arberg said Breyer, wife Joanna and guests were confronted by the robber around 9 p.m. EST Thursday in the home Breyer owns on the Caribbean island of Nevis. Arberg said the intruder took about $1,000 in cash and no one was hurt.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72814.html#ixzz1mIbN5CWt

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Stephen Breyer robbed at West Indies vacation home (Original Post) bathroommonkey76 Feb 2012 OP
How awful... CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2012 #1
I got robbed at gunpoint in Barbados. It is really bad news down there nowdays. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #2
It must be. I was there in the '80s and never felt safer. RebelOne Feb 2012 #5
It is awful. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #19
Why are Supreme Court Justices on vacation in February? former9thward Feb 2012 #3
The Supreme Court only hears arguments and holds conferences during part of each month onenote Feb 2012 #16
Yes, they are all so hard workers. former9thward Feb 2012 #20
Did you just pull those numbers from thin air? onenote Feb 2012 #21
My law school had plenty of SC reporters. former9thward Feb 2012 #24
As you acknowledge the court is writing longer opinions. How does that make them lazier? onenote Feb 2012 #25
When I say "very lazy" I am referring to the institution not individual Justices. former9thward Feb 2012 #27
I absolutely agree with you about the length of opinions and the lack of clarity onenote Feb 2012 #28
Jesus. That's fucked up. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #4
I smell Rove. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #6
Yep. It's all some sort of conspiracy Bluzmann57 Feb 2012 #8
Sometimes, you don't want to trust your credit card number to smaller vendors in foreign countries. Ian David Feb 2012 #9
The article doesn't say it was all his money. morningfog Feb 2012 #11
It said that Breyer was there with his wife and guests. onenote Feb 2012 #17
How do you know it isn't? nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #22
I don't Bluzmann57 Feb 2012 #29
It's ok to carry $1,000 in cash... Ter Feb 2012 #26
I would have assumed that Justices had better security. Bosso 63 Feb 2012 #7
Sounds like karma to me. Look at this: dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #10
Really? ellisonz Feb 2012 #15
The West Indies is covered by the US Constitution? n/t brentspeak Feb 2012 #18
Maybe the guy wielding the machete thought all americans have offshore accounts. sarcasmo Feb 2012 #12
So having a home in Sanibel would be so bad? Peregrine Took Feb 2012 #13
+1. nt SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #14
If that thief could get in so easily, how about someone determined to kill him? riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #23
Must not have had a high enough fence notadmblnd Feb 2012 #30

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
5. It must be. I was there in the '80s and never felt safer.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:00 PM
Feb 2012

In fact, at that time, the most serious crime was a home robbery, according to the local newspapers.

former9thward

(32,046 posts)
3. Why are Supreme Court Justices on vacation in February?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 05:30 PM
Feb 2012

The Supreme Court is out of session and on vacation from the beginning of June to the beginning of October. That is four months.

onenote

(42,724 posts)
16. The Supreme Court only hears arguments and holds conferences during part of each month
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:02 PM
Feb 2012

I'm pretty sure there is internet communication in Nevis and that Breyer could be reviewing opinions drafted by his clerks while in Nevis.

former9thward

(32,046 posts)
20. Yes, they are all so hard workers.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:34 AM
Feb 2012

They do about 50 cases a year out of the thousands that are appealed to them. The SC has become very lazy and this is just an example.

onenote

(42,724 posts)
21. Did you just pull those numbers from thin air?
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 12:41 PM
Feb 2012

The court receives around 10,000 appeals a year these days. Far from becoming "lazy" -- that's a huge increase over the caseload of just a few decades ago. In 1960, it was under 2500 appeals. The court doesn't just "do" around 50 cases. From 2005 through 2010, the court averaged 82 full written opinions per year -- that's thousands of pages of written and researched material. Another 80 or 90 cases are disposed of by the full court, but without a full opinion. The remaining appeals are denied based on recommendations from the justices' clerks.

The clerks do most of the research and initial drafting, but the justices themselves have a significant workload in reviewing the memoranda and drafts prepared by their clerks, reviewing opinions circulated by the other justices, editing their own opinions, dissents and concurrences.

They are in no way "lazy". Stop by your local library and see if they have a set of Supreme Court reporters. See how thick the volumes are for recent court terms compared to court terms from a few decades ago.

former9thward

(32,046 posts)
24. My law school had plenty of SC reporters.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 01:09 PM
Feb 2012

I have seen enough for a lifetime, thank you. The court takes about 1% of the cases that are presented to it. Yes, the opinions are lengthy but they don't have to be. The number of cases the court has taken has decreased significantly over the years. I would rather see more cases taken and the number of pages in the opinion go down. If you think a job that has a four month vacation plus countless other breaks is hard work then there is nothing I can say.

onenote

(42,724 posts)
25. As you acknowledge the court is writing longer opinions. How does that make them lazier?
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 03:48 PM
Feb 2012

As you acknowledge, opinions are lengthy. Indeed, they are much much lengthier than they used to be. In the 1950's the median length of a decision was around 2000 words. In recent years the median length of the majority opinion alone is more than twice that -- over 4700 words. And there are a lot more dissents and concurring opinions than in the past. The median length of a decision (majority and all separate opinions) in 2009 was over 8200 words. So yes, the court is hearing fewer oral arguments and issuing full court decisions in fewer cases than back in the 60's. And yes, I agree that it would be better if the court didn't have such lengthy opinions or as many dissents or concurrences and instead decided more cases. But its hard to argue that they're "lazier" than before given the increased number of opinions and the increased length of those opinions.

Also, the "four month vacation" is something of a misnomer. The court officially convenes in public session on the first Monday of October and adjourns at the end of June. However, it holds at least one conference in September. Which is why it is able, on that first public session date, to issue hundreds of rulings, mostly denials of cert, but also summary rulings reversing or affirming cases without argument, denying or granting motions, etc etc. And its not as if the members of the court show up for that September conference without having spent time reviewing memoranda on and discussing with their clerks the cases that are going to be considered and/or discussed at that conference. And while the court stops hearing oral arguments in April (so that it has time to complete work on those ridiculously long opinions before the end of the session in late June or early July, it continues to meet weekly in public session through the last week of June and has conferences through that period as well. July and August are indeed generally "vacation" months, but as noted, its not as if appeals aren't coming in and being reviewed and summarized by clerks throughout the summer and its not as if the Justices aren't involved in what their clerks are doing throughout that period. Indeed, orders granting or denying stays, and other procedural motions are issued by the court or individual justices all through July and August.

Finally, to varying degrees, the Justices also spend time giving speeches and lectures to law schools, bar associations, etc. For example, despite her bouts with cancer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg has given, on average, one lecture/speech per month every year for the past six years. These only include appearances that involve travel away from DC for which she is reimbursed, not local appearances. These appearances occurred both during the court's October - June "session" and outside the bounds of that session. From my perspective, which you may or may not share, giving speeches and lectures, even when you can't be paid for them (which is typically the case for SCOTUS Justices) is not "vacation" time.

In short, I think you are mistaken if you think being a Supreme Court justice is an easy job or that justices are "lazy." These folks didn't get to where they are by being slackers and they don't become slackers when they reach the court.




former9thward

(32,046 posts)
27. When I say "very lazy" I am referring to the institution not individual Justices.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 04:22 PM
Feb 2012

In law school I had courses which were taught by two Justices, one current and one retired. (The current one taught in the summer break). Even though I disagree with their politics they both did a good job with the subject matter. I think the length of opinions contributes to more ambiguity in the meaning of the law. When you write long enough someone can always find something to hang their hat on. I blame most of this on the Chief Justices in recent decades. They have a great deal of influence in administration of the court and I think they should make it leaner.

onenote

(42,724 posts)
28. I absolutely agree with you about the length of opinions and the lack of clarity
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 04:56 PM
Feb 2012

Plus it takes an ungodly amount of time to read through many decisions plus the dissenting and concurring opinions. Concurrences in particular bug me because they almost always make the state of the law less clear rather than more clear.

Bluzmann57

(12,336 posts)
8. Yep. It's all some sort of conspiracy
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:43 PM
Feb 2012

Or not.
Maybe Breyer just got robbed by street criminals. I think a pertinent question might be why was he carrying so much cash? Don't thet take credit and/or debit cards down there?

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
9. Sometimes, you don't want to trust your credit card number to smaller vendors in foreign countries.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:48 PM
Feb 2012

However, traveler's checks are nice.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
11. The article doesn't say it was all his money.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:34 PM
Feb 2012

Justice Breyer, his wife and guests were robbed. $1,000 total were taken. No mention of the money breakdown. And, it was in his home. It isn't like he was walking down the street with $1,000 in hi pocket.

onenote

(42,724 posts)
17. It said that Breyer was there with his wife and guests.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:04 PM
Feb 2012

It wouldn't be surprising that between them they had a grand. When I travel to the Caribbean, I use credit cards a lot, but I also bring along a sufficient supply of cash for purchases at local shops that don't always take credit cards and to pay for cabs etc.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
26. It's ok to carry $1,000 in cash...
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 03:55 PM
Feb 2012

...As long as you won't miss it if it's lost or stolen. And he won't.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
10. Sounds like karma to me. Look at this:
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:49 PM
Feb 2012

Justice Bryer has said in a Supreme Court opinion:

“I can find nothing in the Second Amendment’s text, history, or underlying rationale that could warrant characterizing it as ‘fundamental’ insofar as it seeks to protect the keeping and bearing of arms for private self-defense purposes.”

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
15. Really?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:52 PM
Feb 2012

You think that this is karma. You think if he had used a firearm in self-defense this would have resulted in a better outcome? I think if anything the peaceful outcome shows the wisdom of non-violence. Furthermore, conflating a constitutional opinion with an incident like this is off-base.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
23. If that thief could get in so easily, how about someone determined to kill him?
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 12:51 PM
Feb 2012

Did anyone else's mind go there? My heart flipped for a moment at the breathtaking horror of losing Stephen Breyer. At how easily he was accessed by an intruder.

I really, really hope they ramp up security for these guys. This is a pretty shocking episode for one of the most important people in the US, literally.

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