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Judi Lynn

(160,415 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:43 PM Jun 2013

Justice Thomas Says Court Should Have Gutted Affirmative Action

Source: NPR

Justice Thomas Says Court Should Have Gutted Affirmative Action
by Eyder Peralta
June 24, 201312:26 PM

In a fiery concurring opinion (pdf), Justice Clarence Thomas made it clear that the Supreme Court did not go far enough, when it decided Fisher v. University of Texas this morning.

As Mark reported, in a 7-1 ruling, the court skirted the big issues and decided to send the case back to a lower court, asking it to give more scrutiny to UT's race-conscious admissions program.

Thomas argued a very basic case: The government should only consider race when there is a "pressing public necessity." In Thomas' view that means the state can only consider race "to provide a bulwark against anarchy, or to prevent violence."

Affirmative action, he argued, hardly meets those standards. What's more, he said, just as the court decided that discrimination was unconstitutional when the country set up "separate-but-equal" schools, it should also conclude that it is wrong when universities include race in their admissions decisions.


Read more: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/06/24/195182864/justice-thomas-says-court-should-have-gutted-affirmative-action?ft=1&f=1001

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Justice Thomas Says Court Should Have Gutted Affirmative Action (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2013 OP
He said without a shred of self-awareness nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #1
I'm in, so slam that door! jonthebru Jun 2013 #3
Yet another example of a Zoeisright Jun 2013 #2
"What ladder?" MurrayDelph Jun 2013 #36
Thanks to all those Ronald Reagan/Bush41/Nader/Bush43 voters we have this court graham4anything Jun 2013 #4
Still blaming Nader mikeysnot Jun 2013 #25
Didn't you hear the news..."there's no difference between the parties" n/t maxrandb Jun 2013 #27
There is not a big enough hell for the likes of Thomas hlthe2b Jun 2013 #5
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #6
lots of people died so he could get that job.... madrchsod Jun 2013 #7
He doesn't remember those heroes and doesn't want us to remember them either. Boomerproud Jun 2013 #35
Bulwark Against Anarchy??? RobinA Jun 2013 #8
Does that mean that if the mob supports racism we should then consider race? Renew Deal Jun 2013 #12
He never had it! Mickju Jun 2013 #20
What galls me about Thomas is that Greybnk48 Jun 2013 #9
Thomas' nomination to replace Marshall is also one of the reasons Chakab Jun 2013 #14
GHWB only looked sane compared to his son. mikeysnot Jun 2013 #26
True, but I've seen a baffling amount of deference Chakab Jun 2013 #30
Yeah but only a pawn was acceptable. /nt Ash_F Jun 2013 #22
Sez the beneficiary of it.... VA_Jill Jun 2013 #10
Couldn't that standard cut both ways? Renew Deal Jun 2013 #11
Of course he did, no surprise there. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #13
In Thomas' view that means the state can only consider race "to provide a bulwark against anarchy, summerschild Jun 2013 #15
Slappy, Shut you Mouf Wolf Frankula Jun 2013 #16
From the former chairman of Equal Employment Opportunity Commission n/t kirby Jun 2013 #17
Uncle Thomas strikes again KamaAina Jun 2013 #18
He's clueless. rug Jun 2013 #19
The arrogance never ceases to amaze me. hamsterjill Jun 2013 #21
Many of us in the black community believe Clarence Thomas to be an "Uncle Tom"... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #23
Agree. Just amazing that this creature replaced Marshall Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #29
It is absolutely DEVASTATING to me. I live in Maryland and used to work for the state legislature. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #32
Well Spoken! Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #33
And this is who replace Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #24
one of the rare times he actually speaks and he places his foot square in his mouth. nt Javaman Jun 2013 #28
Did you say TOM-ass? Hubert Flottz Jun 2013 #31
Without Reagan's affirmative action DFW Jun 2013 #34

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
2. Yet another example of a
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

fucking hypocrite who uses the ladder and pulls it up behind him. I think the only person who loathes that piece of shit more than me is Thomas himself.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
4. Thanks to all those Ronald Reagan/Bush41/Nader/Bush43 voters we have this court
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jun 2013

Because Al Gore, John Kerry, Jimmy Carter wouldn't have given us the 5
and we know which two Barack Obama has given us

Thanks Ralph again yea, both parties are the same

I can't wait for a good replacement for Thurgood Marshall. I am hoping that shall be Barack Obama in 2018.

mikeysnot

(4,756 posts)
25. Still blaming Nader
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jun 2013

The guy who affirmed not one SC justice... No Congress is not to Blame, just Nader.

hlthe2b

(102,085 posts)
5. There is not a big enough hell for the likes of Thomas
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jun 2013

and others who barrel through the doors others have opened for them and without even the slightest twinge of conscience, wish for nothing more than to slam it shut on others.

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Boomerproud

(7,936 posts)
35. He doesn't remember those heroes and doesn't want us to remember them either.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:35 PM
Jun 2013

Sorry, Clarence Thomas, but you can't rewrite history as much as you'd like to. Also, his statement makes no sense whatsoever.

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
8. Bulwark Against Anarchy???
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jun 2013

That's the oddest argument I ever heard. "If it will forestall anarchy, you can consider race in college admissions." I can't even imagine what that would look like in the real world. That man has lost it.

Renew Deal

(81,841 posts)
12. Does that mean that if the mob supports racism we should then consider race?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jun 2013

And do we appease the mob for the goal of peace?

Greybnk48

(10,162 posts)
9. What galls me about Thomas is that
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jun 2013

he should never have been seated after Anita Hill came forward and revealed his true character. How

many countless other minorities were as qualified or MORE qualified than that horrid, sexist asshole?

So many who not pawns; who are free thinkers and have decent character. It has ALWAYS pissed me off.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
14. Thomas' nomination to replace Marshall is also one of the reasons
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jun 2013

that I refuse to give H.W. Bush any respect as one of the purportedly "sane" Republicans like many so-called liberals and Democrats are wont to do.

The fact that this incompetent, know nothing political hack has been on the court for so long is a farce of epic proportions.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
30. True, but I've seen a baffling amount of deference
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 04:04 PM
Jun 2013

paid to him by people on the left (or rather people who claim to be on the left).

Renew Deal

(81,841 posts)
11. Couldn't that standard cut both ways?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:20 PM
Jun 2013

"to provide a bulwark against anarchy, or to prevent violence."

That sounds like mob rule.

summerschild

(725 posts)
15. In Thomas' view that means the state can only consider race "to provide a bulwark against anarchy,
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:30 PM
Jun 2013

or to prevent violence".

What the hell does that mean?

I guess Martin Luther King's peaceful protests would have had to be bloody riots.

I have no words for this despicable man.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
18. Uncle Thomas strikes again
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jun 2013

Pam from Pam's House Blend went there (on her FB page, which I follow, and you should too ). Sadly, she's closing the Blend at the end of the month , so following her will be the only way to get your daily requirement of Vitamin P.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
19. He's clueless.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:32 PM
Jun 2013
As should be obvious, there is nothing “pressing” or “necessary” about obtaining whatever educational benefits may flow from racial diversity.
 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
23. Many of us in the black community believe Clarence Thomas to be an "Uncle Tom"...
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 03:00 PM
Jun 2013

I think this proves our point.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
32. It is absolutely DEVASTATING to me. I live in Maryland and used to work for the state legislature.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 04:55 PM
Jun 2013

Marshall is from Maryland, and for many years, state legislators tried to get a Marshall statue in front of the state house. Resistance came from every direction, but once people understood how transformative of a figure he was, there was resounding agreement.

This "Uncle 'Clarence' Thomas" creature is detestible.

The ultimate irony: He is the least qualified to sit on that court and yet, he wants to destroy affirmative action programs. Without it, he wouldn't be sitting there, but that would make the false assumption that beneficiaries of affirmative action (especially WHITE WOMEN) are unqualified. That is simply not true. He is a what affirmative action when it is misused and malappropriated.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
24. And this is who replace
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 03:00 PM
Jun 2013

Thurgood Marshall. Makes your stomach turn. A big "thanks" to Joe Biden for his tireless efforts to get this pos on the Court.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
31. Did you say TOM-ass?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jun 2013

No law East or West of the Pecos with the filthy five on the highest bench in the land.

DFW

(54,267 posts)
34. Without Reagan's affirmative action
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jun 2013

Thomas would never have gotten nominated to the Court. But he doesn't want us remembering that, does he?

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