U.S. says Chinese wind turbine firm stole trade secrets
Source: cnn.com
The U.S. Department of Justice has charged a Chinese wind turbine firm and two of its employees, alleging the group stole trade secrets from an American supplier in an act of "attempted corporate homicide."
The Chinese company -- Sinovel -- is one of the country's largest producers of wind turbines. It is accused of encouraging an employee of U.S.-based AMSC to steal copyrighted source code from a computer in Wisconsin for use in its turbines.
"The fact that Sinovel has exported stolen American intellectual property from China back into the United States -- less than 40 miles from our global headquarters -- shows not only a blatant disrespect for intellectual property but a disregard for international trade law," AMSC CEO Daniel McGahn said in a statement.
PM3000, the software in question, helps regulate the flow of electricity from turbines to electrical grids. The theft resulted in a loss of $800 million for AMSC, according to the indictment handed up by a federal grand jury in Wisconsin. Some 500 AMSC employees have lost their jobs following Sinovel's "egregious and unlawful behavior," McGahn said.
Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/28/news/companies/china-wind-sinovel/index.html
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Really? Is there such a charge? Basically they are accusing this guy of murder of a corporation. Wow, stunning. A corporation can't really be killed, this is merely theft, nothing more nothing less. Something got stolen from them and they want the guy prosecuted for murder.
Capitalism on a rampage it seems. Now corporations will be accusing former employees of poisoning if they give out bad info. How about assault when the corporations stocks decline?
Corporations are all fine and dandy with using and abusing China's cheap labor. They are fine and dandy with doing business with the totalitarian Communist country but when China does what China seems to always do and encourages spies all of a sudden they are accusing people of murder over theft. You get what you deserve when you allow a totalitarian government to come into your country and trade.
Capitalism run amok.
GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)So it follows that they can be murdered.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)"Corporate Homicide"
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)be the first time for the Chinese. They have done that with competing companies or a company to which it would own a lot of money for royalties. There was an excellent case of that with a guy in California who designed a software censoring program for children. Here's a link to the story. He has a 2.2 Billion dollar judgment against China but won't be able to collect it.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/22/small-businesses-big-targets-for-cyber-snoops/
It's fox news but it was the first one I found. Very interesting story. Scary, really.
BadtotheboneBob
(413 posts)Hell, even their new drone and jet fighters look just like ours...
"PARIS Chinas models of military planes at the Paris Air Show bear resemblance to U.S. aircraft, drawing attention to the rising concern in the Defense Department that the country is using cyber espionage to obtain sensitive defense technology."
http://defensetech.org/2013/06/20/chinas-fighters-drone-look-like-u-s-aircraft/#comment-384735
Coincidence? I think not...
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)We could raid their computers and figure out how the Chinese government is planning to attack our US corporations.
:dry:
Brother Buzz
(36,423 posts)Siemens' Stuxnet worm, reworked a bit, would do the trick but the Chinese are to smart to fall for that; Stuxnet was a one trick pony.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Mildly sarcastic
Didn't Snowden compromise our program to spy on the Chinese?
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)pre-emptive so much as it's helped identify exactly where the info is coming from. President Obama finally publicly blamed China, because he had enough info. Since the buildings and networks were identified, the gov't has found out a great deal more about their hacking. The summit with Xi in California earlier this month was for the purpose of dealing with that. Obama's was planning on confronting China and show him the evidence, which apparently was beyond conclusive, and get cooperation on change. All of that was the plan, until the day before when Snowden released the info. Any chance Snowden asking the Washington Post for a guarantee of publishing his info within 72 hours coincidental?
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)A story was published about a month ago. I had a security training session at work and learned that my employer had been using Mandiant for years.
Yes, it looks like Snowden was intentionally sabotaging our efforts.
JackN415
(924 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:12 AM - Edit history (1)
The US does not engage in corporate, economic hacking to steal technology or trade secrets. At most, even if (BIG IF) the allegation by Snowden were true, the spying was for national security either against terrorism or about China military expansion.
In reverse, China routinely steals US intellectual properties, trade secrets, and snoops on various US organizations for other economically significant confidential information.
The news world and laypersons don't care the difference. Snowden provided the Chinese a perfect smokescreen to derail the US effort to confront China during the Obama-Xi JinPing summit. If he didn't get any compensation from the Chinese, it would be stupid of him. What is worse than a traitor is a stupid traitor who didn't get a dime.
This is a same as if a neighbor installs a security camera on his fence to make sure the neighbor's dog doesn't stray into his yard. The neighbor installs secret camera in his house, bedrooms, hacks into his bank account... and says: you spy on me and so, why do you accuse me of spying on you?
They are not the same.
The Chinese cyberhacking military unit may get trade secrets from Cisco or Apple for examples. They would give them to Huawei. The US doesn't spy on Huawei to give the info to US corporations.
cojoel
(957 posts)I don't know what you are saying is not true. I am just not sure anymore/
JackN415
(924 posts)like this:
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=china+military+hackers&oq=China+militray+hack&gs_l=hp.1.1.0i13l3.2276.9353.0.11728.25.20.3.2.2.0.196.1792.17j3.20.0...0.0...1c.1.18.psy-ab.PJBHMMTO_tI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48572450,d.eWU&fp=6e1b4cbf8831ab1e&biw=1085&bih=425
It takes a person years of following of this topic to get an accurate picture and an assessment.
Many have done that and you can read their writings as well.
This is not a topic for casual unconcerned readers.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I guess the NSA didn't know? Wow ...what are we unknowingly paying for?
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)computer magazines or business articles and find info about this that pre-date anything Snowden did. My brother was telling me how bad it was over ten years ago. He was a computer engineer at Research Triangle Park.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)he would be detailing NSA operations against OSW or details behind the Sibel Edmonds' allegations.
All the details I hear are regarding operations against foreign entities and passing anecdotes about US citizens caught up on the fringes.
I don't like the program, and believe it does not offer proper protections against unlawful/unconstitutional abuses, but last I heard, China is not covered by the US Constitution, and Moscow is no bastion of civil liberties.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)The Chinese hacking our industrial secrets? Say it ain't so.
That's why Snowden flying off to a Chinese dominion was so egregious. They, and the Russians too, have been spying on us for years.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... if China wants to develop/expand the industry while we choke on petroleum, good for them. Sucks to be us.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)He was shocked beyond belief since he hadn't even gotten the thing out of development stage.
We're being watched. Lots of little people in China are stealing stuff from us.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)now they have been reduced to stealing and having others engineer their technology