U.S. asks Ecuador to reject any asylum request from Edward Snowden
Source: CNN
(CNN) -- U.S. Vice President Joe Biden asked Ecuador "to please reject" the request for asylum from self-avowed National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden, according to Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa.
Snowden wasn't in Ecuador on Saturday, but if he does arrive there, the country will make a decision based on sovereignty, taking into account U.S. input, Correa said in his weekly broadcast on state TV.
Ben Rhodes, deputy director of the U.S. National Security Council, confirmed that Biden spoke with Correa about Snowden and the bilateral relationship, but Rhodes declined to provide details.
In a telephone conversation with Biden on Friday, Correa told him "what was the Ecuadorian position" and that Ecuador "can't even proceed with the request because Mr. Snowden is not in Ecuadorian territory."
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/29/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:30 PM - Edit history (1)
that's what US wants. Can't get any lower than that.
Zorro
(16,079 posts)Nothing wrong with Biden talking about the matter with Correa.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Zorro
(16,079 posts)Are you challenging Correa's reported remark that "Biden asked?"
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Zorro
(16,079 posts)you were an expert in international law and US-Ecuador diplomatic relations.
Sorry.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)think there is nothing wrong with 'asking' others to ignore (or outright break) the law.
Have a cup of tea and relax. It will be OK.
Ohio Joe
(21,894 posts)Start dropping bombs now?
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)The decision on who gets and doesn't get a Refugee Status is governed by international law and should be decided without bullying by one of the world's biggest superpowers.
Ohio Joe
(21,894 posts)Not what you were saying though, my apologies.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Thanks VP Biden.
UTUSN
(71,959 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)After all, if they just do what other nations want, what is the point of offering asylum? A program to let people in if their origin country doesn't mind (who then therefore do not need asylum)?
Let Ecuador figure it out. They are big boys, as much as the US is.
primavera
(5,191 posts)The definition of a refugee under US law is "any person who is outside any country of such person's nationality or, in the case of a person having no nationality, is outside any country in which such person last habitually resided, and who is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of that country because of persecution or a well founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion."
Snowden is a.) outside his home country and b.) unable to return to the US because of a well-founded fear that he will be persecuted on account of his political belief that the US government is violating domestic and international law through its national security surveillance practices.
Zorro
(16,079 posts)The country where anti-surveillance hero Edward Snowden wants to take refuge spent half a million dollars on an Israeli-made GSM interceptor in a deal brokered by a U.S. middleman. Seeking the capacity to intercept text messages, falsify and modify the text messages among other tricks.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/exclusive-documents-illuminate-ecuadors-spying-practices
Whoops!
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)It's not 'spying' if the other guy is doing it.
What a complete fool Correa has made of himself.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)You were in the service, no?
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Yes, I served in the military.
Welcome to DU.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)It would appear you are trying to point to some apparent hypocrisy. You are going need make a complete argument to show that.
That is a common law enforcement tool that should be used after there is sufficient evidence of probable cause, on paper, with signed affidavits from known investigators and witnesses, approved by a known judge, in writing. What I described is a proper and just warrant process. All of which is subject to public scrutiny and review so that the judges and investigators can be replaced through legal or political means if need be.
The real controversy over PRISM is not about the technology, but the abuse of it. The lack of oversite. The lack of a paper trail. The lack proper warrant practices. The total lack of the public's ability to obtain accountability due to the fact that it was hidden from them in the first place.
Do you have evidence that the new government in Ecuador has committed all of those abuses? Or any at all? The old government did, and it got replaced.
Zorro
(16,079 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)argle bargle?