MUST WATCH NOW....10,000s Pro and Anti Morsi forces attacking each other

[jessie04]

Source: Aj-TV

http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/

Read more: http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/

[Cooley Hurd]

1. That would be a civil war.

[jessie04]

2. Uhhhhh...you are right. nt

[Cooley Hurd]

3. I wish that wasn't the case...

[Warpy]

4. I think the Muslim Brotherhood is about to find out Allah on their side

isn't going to mean squat to a tank.

Opposing the military isn't going to do much good. You have to co-opt them.

[jessie04]

5. No military...no police

they are just going at each other.

[Warpy]

7. Yeah, now. It takes time to send in the big guns

and by that time, it might be less of a Donnybrook and more about established lines.

ETA: I hope Republicans are taking notes. I'm expecting this level of violence at their 2016 convention, albeit mostly off camera.

[bluedigger]

8. It appears to be generalized rioting between the two sides.

I think the military will stand aside unless State institutions come under attack.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. Not quite...

Egypt army opens fire on pro-Morsi protesters

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/20137542647286931.html

Also: Parliament dissolved

[bluedigger]

25. "as crowd marches on barracks"...

As I was saying...

[another_liberal]

33. Tanks aren't much good . . .

Tanks aren't much good when the men crewing them refuse to butcher their own people.

[rtracey]

6. The US

We need to stay away from this.... President Obama supported the democratic constitution of Egypt, as everyone should do, but if the regime was going to Islamic rule and democracy was promised or perceived, then what are WE too think?

[nolabels]

14. Yea, lets wake up and smell the coffee

http://www.infowars.com/egyptian-protesters-blame-obama-for-morsi-dictatorship

[sigmasix]

18. you linked to an alex jones conspiracy website-

Are DU members listening to the ravings of Alex Jones now?

[dbackjon]

24. As long as it fits their agenda, yes

[another_liberal]

36. Do you even realize . . .

Alex Jones can go fuck himself. Do you even realize how many governments we now know were overthrown by U. S. intervention? This is not conspiracy "raving." This is what the CIA and our military intelligence services do for a living.

[nolabels]

42. If I listened to one source to get a peek at what was happening.....

Alex Jones is mostly a nut and almost all his conclusions about what is going on are whacked out and tilted. There is a possibility though that some part of this might be legit. I posted it just to see if someone might have a real take on what is going on Egypt mostly. I am also quite sure much of the other stuff we get from the larger corporate news is also slanted to varying degrees.

To me, these to me are just some raw pictures that might help gain some real clues, and then again they could be just photoshoped

[WilliamPitt]

27. Infowars/Alex Jones = Fail

There needs to be a new Godwin's Law-style rule about this.

[TheMadMonk]

38. Seems like a good place to note: The Nazis were right about smoking. Caveat follows.

I AM NOT making any claims as to Alex Jones greater legitimacy, just noting that he may not be too far off the mark here, even if he is out to slam Obama, because he hate's Obama (or what he represents).


Islamic fundamentalists HAVE on multiple occasions, in multiple locations around the world HAVE STATED that if they can (are permitted to) use the rules of democracy to secure power they WILL do so, and once in power, they will do their best to use that power to shut down all opposition and impose religious rule.

A friend of mine predicted pretty much THIS EXACT OUTCOME over twelve months ago. When others were expressing surprise that the Muslim Brotherhood weren't using the opportunity of the protests to raise the sort of holy hell we're used to seeing in Iraq, Afghanistan, and multiple African nations, and then again when they didn't take any part in the interim govt. before the elections, he said they were playing it smart. They'd wait for the dust to settle and get behind a sympathetic candidate.


And sad to say, Obama, and too many here were so focused on the fact of democracy, that they failed to see what that democracy was bringing.

[another_liberal]

34. Hear, hear!

This is our coup. We paid for it, and we own it.

[creeksneakers2]

40. Proof?

[another_liberal]

43. If you can't read the signs . . .

Our government never admits it when they overthrow a foreign government by covert means. This is especially the case when the government we organized a coup against is that of an ostensible ally, like Egypt. As far as concrete "proof" is concerned, if you can't read the signs of a CIA-funded and organized coup, you will just have to wait until enough time has passed for the truth to come out.

I remember when Nixon ordered Chile's Allende overthrown (we used the military that time too, we usually do). I simply could not believe the government of the United States would do such a thing. It was inconceivable to me. Since then I've seen too many more of these things to be so naive.

[ButterflyBlood]

45. Burden of proof is on who makes the accusation

And your argument would not be enough to convict in court. Also Obama isn't Nixon.

[another_liberal]

46. If you live long enough . . .

You will eventually know I was right about this one, if you live long enough to see the truth revealed. Just hang in there.

Hey! Maybe another Edward Snowden or Bradley Manning will blow the whistle, and we'll have the confirmation sooner than anyone expects?

[creeksneakers2]

39. How can they blame Obama

when they are the ones who voted Morsi in?

[sinkingfeeling]

9. The 6 October Bridge near the Egyptian Museum.

[maddezmom]

10. Gunfire on Gamaa bridge by Cairo Uni

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AJELive ✔ @AJELive
MT @glcarlstrom Gunfire on Gamaa bridge by Cairo University mins ago, 3 ambulances just pulled up.Crowd of pro-Morsi protesters running back
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[jessie04]

11. I cant even figure out how many people involved.

nt

[maddezmom]

12. Armored personal carriers now moving on the Oct 6 bridge

But looks like they were just passing thru.

[Purveyor]

13. There were civilians riding on top of them. What is that all about? eom

[maddezmom]

15. Got me was really weird

AJ said they were anti- Morsi protestors because they to them back to Tahrir Sq.

[maddezmom]

16. Five dead, 246 injured in the clashes in central #Cairo, Egyptian state TV reports

AJELive ✔ @AJELive
#Egypt Live Blog: Five dead, 246 injured in the clashes in central #Cairo, Egyptian state TV reports.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

17. Sounds like the pro are in retreat.

[ErikJ]

19. Tea Party and Muslim Brotherhood: twins separated at birth

The very socially conservative Muslim Brotherhood was trying to put lots of religious Sharia Law into the new Egyptian constitituion which is what sparked this huge protest and ousted Morsi.
Just as the very socially conservative Tea Party is trying to legislate lots of Christian law (abortion, gays, etc) into our government today. 2 Peas in a pod!


May 06, 2013 By Carlos Torres
Tea Party and Muslim Brotherhood: twins separated at birth

Carlos Alberto Torres is a critical social theorist and Professor of Education at the Graduate School of Education & Information Studies and Director of the Paulo Freire Institute at UCLA. This op-ed appeared originally on May 4 in Truthout.org.

If one were to attend a rally of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt today, one would find faces resembling the uniform phenotype of the Arab world: Women carefully conforming to a self-effacing code of dress with the niqab — a cloth to cover the face — as an emblematic sign of modesty, along with deeply pious followers holding the Misbaha, prayer beads by which to count the 99 Names of Allah. Everyone would adhere to the values of Sharia, a guide to Islamic Law that not only dictates behavior for one's personal or spiritual life but for one's political and social life as well.

The political methodologies of the Muslim Brotherhood employ mass mobilizations, confrontation, and heavy-handed negotiations whereby political capital serves as leverage to preach to and reach the poor while coalitions are driven with other political parties. A key demand for the faithful is the unquestioned application of Sharia law. The Muslim Brotherhood demands that foreign powers cease and desist from any interventions in the Arab world. It seeks to delegitimize the state of Israel. While the Brotherhood has stood in the shadows of Egyptian life for a long time, the Arab Spring of 2011 fueled its participation in electoral politics and opened the door for it to take control of Egypt's parliament and presidency.

If one were to attend a Tea Party rally, however, on the surface one would see a crowd that looks very different: a group of white middle-aged and older men and women, many of whom are retired. One would find people who vote with the Republican Party, and large numbers related to some form of Christian conservatism or born-again philosophy, and who hail largely from the South. These folks reflect middle-to-upper-class America.

Tea Party members participate massively in Republican primaries, and push for selecting highly ideologically pure candidates. Politically, they want to repeal Obamacare and oppose any and all stimulus programs. They reject not only taxes of any kind but also any form of political cohabitation with Democrats.

If one were to look at the Muslim Brotherhood and the Tea Party and see two contemporary social movements that are very different, one must look again: They are twins who were separated at birth. How so? Their contempt for the democratic process, for one, their explicit and overt attempt to undermine any form of a democratic welfare state if they do not explicitly benefit from it, for another. Then there is their inability to establish a democratic dialogue given their vocal distaste for any expression of bipartisan cooperation.

http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/tea-party-and-muslim-brotherhood-245860.aspx

[John2]

23. The Tea Party can do

whatever they want, and I will be breaking every law they try to enforce. Religion and politics don't mix. Some of their ancestors fled Europe because of religious oppression. That is why the founders were smart enough to seperate church and state. They need to keep their religious beliefs to themselves and everything will be fine. I'm not that religious. That is why I'm siding against the Muslim Brotherhood. Morsi can run for President as long as he keeps his religion to himself. He needs to respect the rights of all Egyptians, including Christians and Shiites. They are still Egyptians. If he wants to be a priest, then go be one.

[underpants]

37. good read n/t

[jessie04]

20. These guys keep late hours.

its like 1 am there ?

[dipsydoodle]

22. Nope

Its about 11.15pm

[dgibby]

26. So,

how long before McNasty and Little Lindsey run over each other getting to a mic to demand that Obama put American boots on the ground?

[jessie04]

28. Weird... When the camera pans the Pro- Morsi crowd, I dont see any women there.

nt

[maddezmom]

29. Really? I have and a woman is speaking from the podium right now.

[Scootaloo]

31. Jessie's what you might call a "heavily biased source" when it comes to anything in the middle east

[maddezmom]

32. Ok...I am no fan of the MB but it is just false to state crap like that if you have an agenda

Here is a link that shows quite a few women in the crowd.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/07/20137520552865479.html

[maddezmom]

30. Egyptian military takes CNN camera

Added On July 05, 2013
While giving a live report, CNN's Ben Wedeman was interrupted by the Egyptian military. Take a look.


http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html?/video/world/2013/07/05/intl-cairo-wedeman-camera-taken.cnn

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. 26 dead, 318 injured acorss the country

Twelve people have died in Alexandria and three in Cairo in clashes between supporters and opponents of
...
Troops later restored calm in Cairo, but nationwide violence left some 26 dead and 318 injured, officials said.
...
Most of those killed during fighting in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria, died from gunshot wounds, said Amr Nasr, head of emergency services in the city.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23201770

[Uncle Joe]

41. It's truly amazing how much International News is being telecast

on that Al Jazeera link that hasn't seen the light of day on U.S. corporate media programming.

I'm not speaking of the Egyptian story but a slew of others after watching for just ten - twelve minutes.

Thanks for the thread, jessie

[jessie04]

44. Kick...Pro- and anti- Morsi forces Re gathering in Cairo.

http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/