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bluevoter4life

(805 posts)
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:11 PM Dec 2011

Newt Gingrich Would Send U.S. Marshals To Arrest ‘Activist’ Judges

Continuing his crusade against the courts, Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich railed against judges “imposing secularism” on the country on this morning’s Face The Nation. Arguing that “activist judges” who make disagreeable decisions should be held accountable before Congress, he told Bob Schieffer that he would send a U.S. Marshal or Capitol Police officer to arrest judges if that’s what it took to reign them in, and then encourage impeachment:

SCHIEFFER: One of the things you say is that if you don’t like what a court has done, that Congress should subpoena the judge and bring him before Congress and hold a Congressional hearing… how would you enforce that? Would you send the Capitol Police down to arrest him?

GINGRICH: Sure. If you had to. Or you’d instruct the Justice Department to send a U.S. Marshal.


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/12/18/391576/gingrich-marshal-judges/


So the bottom line is: Agree with me or serve hard time. All hail Emperor Lizard.



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Newt Gingrich Would Send U.S. Marshals To Arrest ‘Activist’ Judges (Original Post) bluevoter4life Dec 2011 OP
oh sweet jesus. STFU. Newt. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #1
Citizens United BarbaRosa Dec 2011 #2
and Bush v Gore & how about activists Scalia and Thomas? wordpix Dec 2011 #83
I can't tell whether he's just saying this junk to get attention, and very well understands that amandabeech Dec 2011 #3
Would also need to increase federal spending to fund the Marshalls and prisons bluevoter4life Dec 2011 #5
I seriously don't think Newt plays with a full deck. I find him very unstable. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #9
Much like Bush Autumn Dec 2011 #11
Yeah, there's a lot of commonality there. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #12
I think he knows christx30 Dec 2011 #26
Yep, well might be ... someone on one thread (I don't have link) also said he might be RKP5637 Dec 2011 #30
That works for Ann Coulter. colorado_ufo Dec 2011 #44
Agreed Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #49
Pulling a Donald Trump christx30 Dec 2011 #100
Frankly, I think that he's just been trying to sell books, amandabeech Dec 2011 #107
I, personally, christx30 Dec 2011 #112
Either that or vowing to eliminate every single regulation ever authorized. amandabeech Dec 2011 #125
Agreed Magoo48 Dec 2011 #116
"I think part of the advantage I have is that I’m not a lawyer." Newt Gingrich Botany Dec 2011 #59
Yes, but, Cheney did not think much of those 3 branches of government, as I recall. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #84
He didn't like any branch of government that would not lend itself to a Rasputin like the unitary amandabeech Dec 2011 #126
Well. Just think back on when he had some power. He did do terrible things. The Wielding Truth Dec 2011 #87
He is on a fishing expedition on this one... IthinkThereforeIAM Dec 2011 #113
Newt is either trying to lose aletier_v Dec 2011 #4
Bingo grantcart Dec 2011 #6
Absolutely. Newt's taking a dive. Frank Cannon Dec 2011 #35
And the interesting thing is that when he takes a dive he may take Romney out with him grantcart Dec 2011 #38
I could not agree more. jeaps Dec 2011 #57
It's entirely possible that he's trying to lose rocktivity Dec 2011 #15
i dont know if its even that transparent.. oldhippydude Dec 2011 #43
A brokered convention xxqqqzme Dec 2011 #70
He would just have a blast with the NDAA Autumn Dec 2011 #7
Lizard, yep, some days David Icke makes more and more sense. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #8
If you read David Icke as metaphor, as literature and allegory instead of literal truth - RIGHT ON saras Dec 2011 #64
Yep, I always read it as a metaphor, words really do pale to describe them anymore. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #86
I guess the Robert's court better watch themselves! n/t BlueToTheBone Dec 2011 #10
Perhaps now they see the danger in siding with the Republicans - even they are not safe. kiranon Dec 2011 #16
The four Justices you named are NOT the ones Newt wants to arrest jmowreader Dec 2011 #46
But I think that even they would not like the precident quakerboy Dec 2011 #48
Going after a liberal Supreme Court Justice would destroy the power and prestige of the Court. kiranon Dec 2011 #79
And that, dear kiranon, is what the Republicans have always sought to do jmowreader Dec 2011 #106
he would be the most interesting political leader in the Western world since the 1930's Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #13
"Interesting" is a good word. MrSlayer Dec 2011 #115
Wow, I would hate to live in Newt's world. nobodyspecial Dec 2011 #14
Outstanding idea.Start with Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito... abq e streeter Dec 2011 #17
Sounds like a fascist state is in his plans. chelsea0011 Dec 2011 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Dec 2011 #19
more like a tall glass from 1854 aletier_v Dec 2011 #32
Or 1939 obamanut2012 Dec 2011 #68
Is it fascism yet? Cherchez la Femme Dec 2011 #20
Leroy's an attention whore who will say anything politically outrageous for the publicity Zorro Dec 2011 #21
Keep talking newtie, keep talking...indeed! eom Purveyor Dec 2011 #22
Thank you, Jesus! melonkali Dec 2011 #23
'Course in Newtie's world, "activist judges" only lean in one direction - LEFT! housewolf Dec 2011 #24
If Newt ever gets in there will be civil war Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2011 #25
How Fascist of him.... SoapBox Dec 2011 #27
Chairman Gingrich is running for president of the wrong country Renew Deal Dec 2011 #28
Newt is running for president of the wrong alternate universe aletier_v Dec 2011 #33
Chairman Gingrich is running for president of the wrong country AlbertCat Dec 2011 #61
lol Renew Deal Dec 2011 #67
Gingrich has just told us how to deal with Roberts, Thomas, Scalia, Scalito yurbud Dec 2011 #29
"...how to deal with Roberts, Thomas, Scalia, Scalito" unkachuck Dec 2011 #31
the scary thing is, I mean it as hyperbole. Newt doesn't. yurbud Dec 2011 #105
LOL! Good thinking! n/t melonkali Dec 2011 #80
Good. He can start with the Supreme Court. Lil Missy Dec 2011 #34
Even other repub candidates backed away from this insanity (well, Romney and Paul at least). Skip Intro Dec 2011 #36
Dictators arrest judges, Newt. What part of "independent judiciary do you not understand?" If you yellowcanine Dec 2011 #37
He's such a Nazi!!! applegrove Dec 2011 #39
Clearly, he's pandering to the "More Evil Than Hitler" demographic. sofa king Dec 2011 #50
Wouldn't it be simpler to follow the traditional method and zogofzorkon Dec 2011 #40
Newt thinks this would be him if he was President 47of74 Dec 2011 #41
Tiffanys! Kurovski Dec 2011 #111
Wow, one tier for each marriage! Joe Bacon Dec 2011 #118
He gets fucking crazier by the day. He's done. Done. Initech Dec 2011 #42
If wishes were ponies I'd have a herd Confusious Dec 2011 #47
I hear there's an opening in North Korea... smirkymonkey Dec 2011 #63
He could start with Alito, Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia and Thomas for Citizens United. W T F Dec 2011 #45
well, then there's that SemperEadem Dec 2011 #53
there is no absolute monarchy in this country SemperEadem Dec 2011 #51
Jesus! Is he handing the playbook to the Dems? truthisfreedom Dec 2011 #52
I wonder if the Repubs are running certain candidates as a litmus test justiceischeap Dec 2011 #54
That has occured to me, too... IthinkThereforeIAM Dec 2011 #114
This is why the NDAA is so important. Do we want it be administered at Newt's discretion? ScottLand Dec 2011 #55
Its actually why the NDAA is irrelevant onenote Dec 2011 #122
Seig Heil! dmosh42 Dec 2011 #56
Newt has lost his marbles. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #58
Well, Newt, most of the federal courts are controlled by Republican appointees NewJeffCT Dec 2011 #60
So the lizard's slow motion implosion hifiguy Dec 2011 #62
If Obama had made the same statement, the Rethugs would be calling for his head. Denninmi Dec 2011 #65
Is this not borderline treasonous??? obamanut2012 Dec 2011 #66
This is scary stuff jimlup Dec 2011 #69
This ALONE disqualifies Gingrich as President marias23 Dec 2011 #71
Wouldn't it be funny if he did get their nomination? Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2011 #72
And what would Newtie do when those Marshalls flat out refused to do it? arbusto_baboso Dec 2011 #73
So, when are Scalia, Roberts, Alito, and Thomas going to be arrested? geardaddy Dec 2011 #74
I wish they were. tcaudilllg Dec 2011 #81
Wow that statement is an incitement to violence Charlemagne Dec 2011 #88
Hardly an incitement to violence. geardaddy Dec 2011 #90
meant as sarcasm Charlemagne Dec 2011 #91
OK, lol geardaddy Dec 2011 #94
you are correct onenote Dec 2011 #124
Would President Gingrich submit to a Congressional subpeona? Deep13 Dec 2011 #75
about time. I've been impatiently waiting for this move. All is again good with the world. ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2011 #76
Newt: "And when I'm impeached I'll arrest the entire House of Representatives" ashling Dec 2011 #77
For a supposed history teacher evilhime Dec 2011 #78
Dangerous krucial Dec 2011 #82
This is a positive thing Charlemagne Dec 2011 #85
SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hubert Flottz Dec 2011 #89
His ignorance of the Constitution and the workings of US government is really astonishing. ChadwickHenryWard Dec 2011 #92
Actually I think he does know how the Founders intended for things to work.... Swede Atlanta Dec 2011 #104
and he is the intellectual one arely staircase Dec 2011 #121
I used to think Newt was a Borderline Personality Disorder, dgibby Dec 2011 #93
WOW! that reptilian brain of his is totally out of control... madrchsod Dec 2011 #95
this is gonna be like reagan, 20 years later we'll realize that he had dementia La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #96
Nah the big difference is we know Newt's crazy to begin with. Initech Dec 2011 #98
true La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #99
Is He Related to Adolph? colsohlibgal Dec 2011 #97
Newt is imploding in Iowa nichomachus Dec 2011 #101
This is the path to plutocracy...oh, um I think we are already there..... Swede Atlanta Dec 2011 #102
Repigs wet dream; Xristofascist Dictatorship. nt and-justice-for-all Dec 2011 #103
Fascist pig. Zoeisright Dec 2011 #108
Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Newt - all done. Who's next? :) Tx4obama Dec 2011 #109
Sure he would. Kurovski Dec 2011 #110
And charge them with WHAT? paparush Dec 2011 #117
Apparently, El Presidente sulphurdunn Dec 2011 #119
Is being subpoenaed the same as being arrested? Islandlife Dec 2011 #120
Then Grichrich-republicans must also believe that Obama should be able to prison right-wing judges GreenTea Dec 2011 #123

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
83. and Bush v Gore & how about activists Scalia and Thomas?
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 01:45 PM
Dec 2011

Actively fighting for the RWnuts, actively helping those opposing the new health care law bring their case to SCOTUS...yeah, Newt, let's see you arrest those activists.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
3. I can't tell whether he's just saying this junk to get attention, and very well understands that
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:18 PM
Dec 2011

this just wouldn't fly, or whether this is the side of him that his former colleagues saw which has caused many of them to come out and say that he's not suited to be president.

Some of those colleagues have come close to suggesting that Newt's unbalanced.

To this former attorney, a scheme of judge humiliation seems to come from an unbalanced mind.

And it would obviously require an enormous increase in the number of U.S. Marshalls and would take up an inordinate amount of time.

The Constitutional problems would come on top of that.

bluevoter4life

(805 posts)
5. Would also need to increase federal spending to fund the Marshalls and prisons
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:21 PM
Dec 2011

Funny how they gloss that over when it suits their own twisted agenda.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
26. I think he knows
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 09:30 PM
Dec 2011

exactly what he's saying. I just don't think he wants to be president. Like McCain shuffling around the debate stage in '08, wanting to bring about this image of an old man, not someone that should be leader of the free (HA!) world. People would have to vote for him in spite of his behavior and views, rather than because of it. "I like him because he's a republican. I just wish he hadn't come out in favor of slavery."
I think they just don't want to run against such a strong opponent and get destroyed in the general election.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
30. Yep, well might be ... someone on one thread (I don't have link) also said he might be
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 09:49 PM
Dec 2011

using it not only for his ego, but also as free advertising to get his name out again, speaker fees, book advertising, etc., etc.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
100. Pulling a Donald Trump
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 04:41 PM
Dec 2011

on the republicans. Nice. I like it.
But I've always thought that anyone (R/D/I) that seeks election to public office has either a huge craving for power, or an ego the size of a small moon. Looks like this is an ego thing, and going to be a huge waste of repubican resources. They are all going to rally around Newt, donate to his campaign and he's going to keep spouting crazy stuff ("You know... Trees are overrated. Hold on... hold on.. I'm making a point here...&quot and make himself totally unelectable. But it'll be great advertising for his consulting business. Why anyone would want to have the point of view of a failed presidental candidate, I don't know. But this is going to guarentee a republican win. There is not anyone on their side that I "fear" (for lack of a better term), but Gingrich makes me laugh.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
107. Frankly, I think that he's just been trying to sell books,
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 10:40 PM
Dec 2011

and the thing just got out of hand.

I really can't see him as the candidate, though, and I'm not sure that he could either.

If by some chance he landed in the oval office, I don't know whether I'd call 911 and have him taken to St. Elizabeth's for evaluation or duck and cover.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
112. I, personally,
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 03:03 AM
Dec 2011

think it's wonderful that the republicans have this much respect and faith in the democratic process.
Another way of looking at it (and, please forgive me if this is just the way my mind works).. If they were seriously opposed to the way this country is being run, and they had actual problems with the way that Obama is handling things, they would put a serious candidate up. This mythical candidate would be more warrior, and less joke, as we are getting now. This person would say, "Limbaugh? He's okay. I don't really like liberal radio, though."
But as it stands right now, their guy of choice is talking about employing kids as janitors. Very hard to take him seriously as a threat.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
125. Either that or vowing to eliminate every single regulation ever authorized.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:17 PM
Dec 2011

Newtie and Paul make Romney look positively Democratic.

Just kidding.

Magoo48

(6,721 posts)
116. Agreed
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:02 AM
Dec 2011

Dude's really got his Bozo on now. No way he ever really wanted the nomination. All he ever wanted was to pump up his various cons.

Botany

(77,324 posts)
59. "I think part of the advantage I have is that I’m not a lawyer." Newt Gingrich
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 10:41 AM
Dec 2011

That was his reason because after all he "understands" the law in a different way
than people who study and/or work with it.

BTW he is a piss poor historian too.

Through Articles I, II, and III of the Constitution the Founders established three separate, co-equal branches of government, the Legislative, the Executive, and the Judiciary.

Read more: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/152944#ixzz1gzXcqO6h

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
126. He didn't like any branch of government that would not lend itself to a Rasputin like the unitary
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:21 PM
Dec 2011

executive did.

At least a unitary executive like Bush II.

I would like to have seen Cheney do the Rasputin with someone like Ike or Teddy R. Both Republicans, both with brains, both knowing how to deal with subordinates.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,307 posts)
113. He is on a fishing expedition on this one...
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 04:42 AM
Dec 2011

... hoping to pander to the mindset that activist judges are the ones that created: lesbians, gays in the military, right for the disabled to remain alive, banning religious displays from public/government property (separation of church and state), etc...

But on face value, it appears that Newt is asking for a totalitarian government, where the head honcho/Stalinist/Nazi can have anyone in government that disagrees with him --- beheaded, drawn and their quarters sent to the four corners of the country.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
6. Bingo
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:24 PM
Dec 2011

He knows that if he can become the greatest conservative iconclast in the country he can generate $ 20 million and work a couple hours a day.

or in other words;

Gingrich is drinking Limbaugh's milkshake.



And watching people fall for this charade is quite amusing.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
35. Absolutely. Newt's taking a dive.
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 11:07 PM
Dec 2011

Like Sarah P., he's mercenary enough to know that this kind of crazy talk is worth big bucks on the talk radio and publishing circuits. He's punching his ticket for the rest of his life.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
38. And the interesting thing is that when he takes a dive he may take Romney out with him
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 11:20 PM
Dec 2011

So far everytime somebody has left the race, Pawlenty, Palin, Cain, Romney has picked up zero supporters.

In fact after Cain left Romney actually lost support in NH.

So far Gingrich has lost 8 points in NH and Romney has continued to lose support.

This more than anything else will prove to Republican professional campaign experts that Romney doesn't have what it takes to grow his base.

jeaps

(68 posts)
57. I could not agree more.
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 09:28 AM
Dec 2011

Newt doesn't want to be president, he wants to be a talk show host on wing-nut welfare. On "Morning Joe" they are discussing his "zen" appearence. It is true that Newt knows how to play to fools.

rocktivity

(45,006 posts)
15. It's entirely possible that he's trying to lose
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 04:39 PM
Dec 2011

He might even be under orders to.

Newt knows perfectly well that the Rethug leadership won't step aside and let him run everything -- Newt would never play the role of figurehead/puppet the way Bush II did or Romney would have to.

So either he's trying to lose, is out of his mind, or, as you suggest, is auditioning to be the new Glenn Beck.


rocktivity

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
43. i dont know if its even that transparent..
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 03:01 AM
Dec 2011

this whole GOP series is mostly about books and name recognition.. i think the wall street part of the party picked mitt a long time ago,the rest is ticks and mirrors elections are a great source of cash.. witness the dude that offered Gingritch cash for his campaign, that would have made a serious candidate jump..

all these folks will end up as lobbyyists, or some think tank darlings..the GOP griftopia pays well indeed

the irony is that becuase of the feild, they may sosplit upthe vote, that the GOP goes to a brokered convention.. my dream a brokered convention and OWS in the streets of Tampa..

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
70. A brokered convention
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:20 PM
Dec 2011

has been my prediction all along. It sets the stage for the grand appearance of - the jebster - he savior of the rethugs.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
64. If you read David Icke as metaphor, as literature and allegory instead of literal truth - RIGHT ON
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:09 AM
Dec 2011

They really are that anti-human that ordinary 'psycho' and 'evil' don't really seem to fit any more.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
86. Yep, I always read it as a metaphor, words really do pale to describe them anymore. n/t
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:13 PM
Dec 2011

kiranon

(1,739 posts)
16. Perhaps now they see the danger in siding with the Republicans - even they are not safe.
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 04:54 PM
Dec 2011

What fools Roberts, Scalia, Alito and Thomas have been. Do they want to be hauled in front of Congress or have their colleagues dragged from the Court? Roberts, Scalia, Alito and Thomas have ruined the status and prestige of the Supreme Count such that clowns like Gingrich can threaten to rein in the Supreme Court justices as if they were criminals. The Court needs to remind politicians that they are the third branch of government and not subject to Congress's approval by way of arrest, interrogation and removal. Court needs to get rid of the "Citizens United" decision and go on from there to save the Republic and themselves.

jmowreader

(53,194 posts)
46. The four Justices you named are NOT the ones Newt wants to arrest
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 03:43 AM
Dec 2011

Trust me on this: This fucker is going for liberal judges, not conservative ones. A liberal judge makes a ruling Newtie doesn't like? Off with his head! OTOH, Citizens United is definitely a ruling Newtie likes; in fact, if Citizens United would have overturned all elections law, Newtie would like it even better.

And this will happen at every level.

But don't you worry: Gingrich is going to arrest liberal judges who make rulings he doesn't like; Bachmann will counter within the week that she'd create a "Judge Dredd"-like corps of people to arrest and summarily execute liberal judges. And the week after that, Perry will remove all the liberal judges from the bench at every level the day he gets inaugurated, so there won't be any more decisions conservatives don't like. Oh, and all three will overturn both Roe v. Wade and Griswold v. Connecticut.

quakerboy

(14,868 posts)
48. But I think that even they would not like the precident
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 04:21 AM
Dec 2011

The 5 conservative SCOTUS members are corrupt, no doubt about it. But they LIKE their power, no doubt about that. And the precedent of being able to arrest judges who disagree with a president or congress would not make them happy. Even with the way our system is balanced against the possibility of a liberal getting into a position of power, I dont think that's something they would chance.

Its talk. I would certainly hope that its talk that would disqualify one Newt from presidency in a general election, even if it makes him more popular with the absolute wacky nutjobs that make up republican primary voters. I really hope that, though I fear it might not be enough by itself.

kiranon

(1,739 posts)
79. Going after a liberal Supreme Court Justice would destroy the power and prestige of the Court.
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 01:22 PM
Dec 2011
 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
115. "Interesting" is a good word.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 05:17 AM
Dec 2011

I often find the worst scenarios to be the most interesting. Not so sure I want to live through this one though.

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
14. Wow, I would hate to live in Newt's world.
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 04:19 PM
Dec 2011

Sounds like he wants to be a fascist dictator with his boot perpetually on the poor and minorities.

abq e streeter

(7,658 posts)
17. Outstanding idea.Start with Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito...
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 04:56 PM
Dec 2011

all the way down to all the Regent "University" grads Dubya placed in the judiciary nationwide. Finally a great idea from Newt. I KNEW he had one in him .

chelsea0011

(10,222 posts)
18. Sounds like a fascist state is in his plans.
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 05:03 PM
Dec 2011

What's troubling is how much support he is getting.

Response to bluevoter4life (Original post)

Cherchez la Femme

(2,488 posts)
20. Is it fascism yet?
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 05:38 PM
Dec 2011

Heck, when he makes poor children become school janitors, we'll then most definitely be in Banana Republic territory.

Zorro

(18,692 posts)
21. Leroy's an attention whore who will say anything politically outrageous for the publicity
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 05:46 PM
Dec 2011

It's catnip to the Republican base, who are eager to see him insulting Obama face-to-face.

 

melonkali

(114 posts)
23. Thank you, Jesus!
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 07:47 PM
Dec 2011

Now could we replay the bit about artificial Palestinians....?

Come on, Dems, let's troll the GOP and support Newt!

housewolf

(7,252 posts)
24. 'Course in Newtie's world, "activist judges" only lean in one direction - LEFT!
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 08:15 PM
Dec 2011

He wouldn't dream of touching and of the rightie activist judges


It's that ol' Newtie hypocrisy rearing it's heat yet again




 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
61. Chairman Gingrich is running for president of the wrong country
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 10:57 AM
Dec 2011

There's a job opening in North Korea!

 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
31. "...how to deal with Roberts, Thomas, Scalia, Scalito"
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 10:14 PM
Dec 2011

....exactly, I think newter is on to something....I like the idea!

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
36. Even other repub candidates backed away from this insanity (well, Romney and Paul at least).
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 11:11 PM
Dec 2011

Dangerous.

I hope Newt comes in fourth or lower in Iowa.

yellowcanine

(36,792 posts)
37. Dictators arrest judges, Newt. What part of "independent judiciary do you not understand?" If you
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 11:11 PM
Dec 2011

don't agree with a judge's decision, you appeal it. You don't arrest the judge.

zogofzorkon

(262 posts)
40. Wouldn't it be simpler to follow the traditional method and
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 11:42 PM
Dec 2011

just buy them, or if not for sale remove them from the market.

Kurovski

(34,657 posts)
111. Tiffanys!
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:30 AM
Dec 2011

The crazier he talks, the higher he can afford to build his post-campaign crown.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
47. If wishes were ponies I'd have a herd
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 03:46 AM
Dec 2011

Haven't you seen the republican party lately?

They like crazy. The more the better.

To avoid Godwin's law, if they could vote for you-know-who, they would.

P.S. Godwin's law might not apply, since his actions would be clearly fascist.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
51. there is no absolute monarchy in this country
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 08:07 AM
Dec 2011

this is precisely why our country is a democracy and why we have no monarchy.

thank goodness there is secularism--because that means you can't shove your catholicism down everyone's throats. The Judicial branch of the government is legitimate and equal.

truthisfreedom

(23,532 posts)
52. Jesus! Is he handing the playbook to the Dems?
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 08:07 AM
Dec 2011

I mean seriously! Is he telling us how to win back the country?

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
54. I wonder if the Repubs are running certain candidates as a litmus test
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 08:25 AM
Dec 2011

to see just how crazy right they can go and get away with. Newt says he'll arrest "activist judges" (meaning left-leaning judges), they poll to see what people think of that statement. If it polls well, they know they can start attacking "activist" judges in a more open manner than they currently are (if you haven't and can, check out the documentary Hot Coffee to see how the Repub party is already attacking judges).

Michele Bachmann is given a script of super crazy things to say, she says them and then they poll their party and independents to see where the line is...

I really think that is what's going on. They're mapping their future talking points and marking their roadmap for the future.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,307 posts)
114. That has occured to me, too...
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 04:47 AM
Dec 2011

... kind of like, "if you repeat a lie often enough, some folks will start to believe it".

onenote

(46,142 posts)
122. Its actually why the NDAA is irrelevant
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 03:41 PM
Dec 2011

Do you really think that without the passage of the NDAA a President Gingrich would behave any differently?

NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
60. Well, Newt, most of the federal courts are controlled by Republican appointees
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 10:55 AM
Dec 2011

I think only the 9th has more judges that have been appointed by Democratic presidents. I know that was the case as Bush was leaving office. And, with Obama's nominees being blocked in unprecedented numbers, I don't think that's changed in the last 3 years.



Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
65. If Obama had made the same statement, the Rethugs would be calling for his head.
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:18 AM
Dec 2011

Decrying his dictatorial Communist Socialist Extra-Constitutional Extraordinary Power Grab.

What an ass Gingrich is.

jimlup

(8,010 posts)
69. This is scary stuff
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:01 PM
Dec 2011

As such an action would be a major breech of the constitution. I do fear this man. "Lizard" is a very apt description for this reptilian.

marias23

(379 posts)
71. This ALONE disqualifies Gingrich as President
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:35 PM
Dec 2011

Imagine if he got elected: This would put a chill in US Judiciary.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
72. Wouldn't it be funny if he did get their nomination?
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:44 PM
Dec 2011

Their party is so divided, and their lineup isn't inspiring any passion that can breach the divide. Originally I wouldn't have ever entertained the remote possibility of Newt getting the nod. However that was before I realized just how little control the GOP party leaders actually still hold. Their Frankenstein Monster (Tea Party) is still running amok across the country spreading havoc and alienating a large portion of their voting block. This is the best political climate Newt, and all the rest of the truly insane GOP fringe politicians, will ever have to make a run for president.

I still expect Romney to come out ahead, but I'm fascinated by the depths the GOP candidates have sunk to this time around.

arbusto_baboso

(7,162 posts)
73. And what would Newtie do when those Marshalls flat out refused to do it?
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:46 PM
Dec 2011

Because a huge number of them would.

 

tcaudilllg

(1,553 posts)
81. I wish they were.
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 01:26 PM
Dec 2011

People with no sense of the majority's decency and good sense fear that the powers of the government will be used against them. In reality, Ocuppy-style movements always tip the balance back in the other direction in a free society. The sacrifice and determination of the occupiers lifts their voice above establishment media and provides an inspiration for others to follow. I would very much like to see Scalia, Alito, and Thomas removed from the judiciary. Very much so. Scheiffer's "sometimes you just have to accept the law" response is an invitation to losing all we hold dear before a rogue court. Today people are skeptical of Republican presidents, but come 2016 Barack will be leaving and Bush will be all but forgotten. There will be renewed struggle and renewed opportunity for an extreme Republican president to tip the balance. And with Kennedy aging, that time may come sooner than you think.

 

Charlemagne

(576 posts)
88. Wow that statement is an incitement to violence
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:22 PM
Dec 2011

See, see! both sides make statements like this. The left needs to tone down the rhetoric.

On one hand, you have a candidate for president who is leading in many polls stating that he would arrest judges he disagreed with.

On the other hand, you have an anonymous person on a message board who wrote a question.

Same thing. The vitriol from the left is equivalent to, or greater than, anything the right does.

geardaddy

(25,392 posts)
90. Hardly an incitement to violence.
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:31 PM
Dec 2011

It points out the hypocrisy of Newtie's idea. Activist judges are in the eyes of the beholder.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
124. you are correct
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 03:54 PM
Dec 2011

which is why the calls made by some DUers in the past for impeaching Scalia et al for their vote in the CU case have been rightly met with derision by other DUers who recognize that subjecting justices to review because of disagreements about the substance of a decision is a very very dangerous road to start down.

Deep13

(39,157 posts)
75. Would President Gingrich submit to a Congressional subpeona?
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:59 PM
Dec 2011

The kind Bush and Cheney illegally ignored?

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
76. about time. I've been impatiently waiting for this move. All is again good with the world.
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 01:03 PM
Dec 2011

For the last month, Newt was unnaturally, almost weirdly so, under control, calm, cool, collected, and low key while under fire. It was so unnatural and bizarre (given his normal behavior patterns) that I seriously wondered if there were a prescription-based reason that might explain his new and improved behavior.

my worries were completely misplaced. At last, the Bad New has returned, and with a vengeance. He is now sliding that slippery slope where he applies the same age old habits he employed to threaten the entire judiciary, to comments about his opponents, especially now that his numbers are weakening.

Just watch. There will be a Newtonian eruption so huge that alien beings in distant planetary systems will be convinced that our sun just went supernova.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
77. Newt: "And when I'm impeached I'll arrest the entire House of Representatives"
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 01:04 PM
Dec 2011

except for the tea party, of course.

evilhime

(373 posts)
78. For a supposed history teacher
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 01:10 PM
Dec 2011

the man seems to have no concept of what the Constitution says about division of powers, and the reason for the judiciary. He wants to be dictator for life, and this would be step one. So sad that people actually support this ... er ... (what words am I allowed to use here...??? )

 

krucial

(206 posts)
82. Dangerous
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 01:42 PM
Dec 2011

Just another example of how dangeorus and Lethal the GOP could be to whats left of our democrcay,civil rights and fredoms, if they were ever to get elected to lead this country,it would make all the Obama haters see that no matter how much they hate Obama,that his reign would be like a picnic compared to what Fascist tyrants like Gingrich would do to America.
Gingrich is a Racist,a White Nationlist, a hater of the middle class and the poor, a hater of Muslims/Arabs, as are most Republicans,and Gingrich is also a hater of Gays,and and an extremely arrogant warmonger.

 

Charlemagne

(576 posts)
85. This is a positive thing
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:07 PM
Dec 2011

For the republicans. My republican friends have told me how much they hate the courts. And how the courts subvert what the founding fathers intended (which I guess is why the FFs made the courts in the first place?!?!).

Anyway, they see the courts as a barrier to achieving total cultural and economic hegemony over the US. They dont like the constitution at all. They want a fascist dictatorship that outlaws homosexuality and anything other than fundamentalist christianity.

Republicans will love this statement.

ChadwickHenryWard

(862 posts)
92. His ignorance of the Constitution and the workings of US government is really astonishing.
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:35 PM
Dec 2011

How he has gained a reputation as a policy wonk is beyond me. He just doesn't understand how the US government works.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
104. Actually I think he does know how the Founders intended for things to work....
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 08:04 PM
Dec 2011

But he really doesn't care. It is all about Newt, all the time.

As per my other post in this thread, the Constitution is silent as to who decides if an act of Congress or an action by the Executive Branch are legal. The Supreme Court established the principle of judicial review in Marbury v. Madison. But the Court realized one small problem, it had no mechanism to enforce its decisions. It was totally dependent on the other two branches of government, and especially the Executive, to respect and comply with its decisions.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
93. I used to think Newt was a Borderline Personality Disorder,
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:53 PM
Dec 2011

but clearly (IMO) he jumped the border (and the shark) long ago.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
96. this is gonna be like reagan, 20 years later we'll realize that he had dementia
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 03:31 PM
Dec 2011

when he was running for office

Initech

(108,783 posts)
98. Nah the big difference is we know Newt's crazy to begin with.
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 04:39 PM
Dec 2011

And he's completely unelectable. None of this shit he's recommending would never get past the house. At least I hope. Reagan had charm and charisma - two things Newt definitely lacks.

colsohlibgal

(5,276 posts)
97. Is He Related to Adolph?
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 04:27 PM
Dec 2011

What a Nazi like statement.

How many people came here in the beginning, from Europe, to escape religious persecution?

Our courts and government need to be secular, it's what the founding fathers wanted. If not welcome to the new dark ages, what's next, being arrested for suggesting the earth revolves around the sun rather than vice versa?

Anyone who sticks with Gingrich after this is out of touch with reality.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
101. Newt is imploding in Iowa
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 04:44 PM
Dec 2011
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/paul-leads-in-iowa.html

Newt Gingrich's campaign is rapidly imploding, and Ron Paul has now taken the lead in Iowa. He's at 23% to 20% for Mitt Romney, 14% for Gingrich, 10% each for Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Perry, 4% for Jon Huntsman, and 2% for Gary Johnson.


The good news is that Paul is leading. If Paul gets the nomination, the Democrats won't even have to campaign. Most Republicans will stay home and hide under the bed out of shame.
 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
102. This is the path to plutocracy...oh, um I think we are already there.....
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 07:44 PM
Dec 2011

Newt alludes to the principle of judicial review that was articulated by the Supreme Court in Marbury v. Madison. It established for the first time that, under the concept of checks and balances in the structure of our federal government, the courts determine the constitutionality or legality of acts of Congress. Without that balance, Congress and the Executive Branch could enact and enforce any legislation regardless of whether or not it conformed with the U.S. Constitution.

But it is true that the Court lacks any means of enforcement. It must be that Congress and the Executive Branch recognize the validity of court decisions.

So Newt, as President and Congress with at least one chamber in the Congress in Republican control could effectively vacate any decision by any federal court by simply ignoring the decision(s) and not enforcing them.

While this might be true in theory, I think there would be such an uproar in this country the likes of which we haven't seen since the Civil War. That would be an outright attack on our historic system of checks and balances.

I don't always agree with decisions of the courts including Citizen's United, Bush v. Gore, etc. but I will respect those decisions because I want an independent judiciary. The concern I have now is the increased politicization on the Court including the behavior of Scalia and Thomas and, to a more limited extent, Chief Justice Roberts.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
108. Fascist pig.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 12:52 AM
Dec 2011

I mean really. He should always be pictured wearing a brown shirt.

That asshole has NO idea what this country stands for.

paparush

(7,992 posts)
117. And charge them with WHAT?
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:27 AM
Dec 2011

What a slimy grifter Newt is.

This is akin to Palin encouraging her flock to "pull over" Obama supporters and ask them how hope and change is working out.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
119. Apparently, El Presidente
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 10:17 AM
Dec 2011

Newt will send federal marshals to drag judges before hearings he compels Congress to convene. If he keeps loving his country this much he may exhaust himself with too many of these brilliant ideas and cheat on another wife.

Islandlife

(212 posts)
120. Is being subpoenaed the same as being arrested?
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 12:02 PM
Dec 2011

I think that if you are subpoenaed by congress, then you must appear for questioning or face being arrested.

I don't know if we want to subpoena judges. That would be like baseball coaches calling balls and strikes. You can't protest judgement calls. You can question interpretations of rules.

Newt says he would subpoena judges.

GreenTea

(5,154 posts)
123. Then Grichrich-republicans must also believe that Obama should be able to prison right-wing judges
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 03:49 PM
Dec 2011

who disagree with him or his policy since he is now president - Is this correct Newtie?

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