Snowden Video Interview Part 2 Released: Edward Snowden: 'The US will say I aided our enemy
Source: Guardian
In the second part of an exclusive interview with Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, former NSA contractor Edward Snowden contemplates the reaction from the US government to his revelations of top-secret documents regarding its spying operations on domestic and foreign internet traffic, email and phone use.
Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jul/08/edward-snowden-video-interview
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liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Regardless of how you feel about the NSA and the data collection, Snowden did share information with other governments. That cannot be debated!
Yes the things he shared exposed a vast data collection process that should be stopped. It does not change the fact that he shared it with other nations and only then did we find out about it.
Sorry, he is no hero here!
UTUSN
(77,795 posts)
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it
Always the constitution, bill of rights and so forth. I'm tired of this.
I'm tired of the onslaught of so called patriots telling me about my fucking rights. Enough!
Gregorian
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Psephos
(8,032 posts)
Enjoy tyranny, you apparently deserve it since you don't want to hear any more about what your rights are.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....there ARE Americans who are protecting your constitutional rights even though you don't appear to cherish them much. I dare you to tell a veteran what you think of the principles they fought for, bled for.
Sheesh.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Good lord. DU is getting loopy lately.
cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)Abolish the government I mean.
FreeBC
(403 posts)By your standard, every whistleblower that has released information to the press throughout history has shared information with foreign governments because other people can read English.
He may not be a hero, but your willingness to jump on the Snowden distraction bandwagon makes you a villain.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)FreeBC
(403 posts)liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)FreeBC
(403 posts)Communism isn't a bad word anymore.
And let's face it, among the reasons it deserved a negative connotation in the first place is because they were doing what Snowden is exposing today in the US: spying on citizens, creating a police state.
So, I appreciate that you might have been born in the 50s and have a lifetime of conservative propaganda clouding your mind. The fear of communism has been used by conservatives for most of our lifetimes in their attempts to dismantle FDR's work. But younger people aren't going to fall for that BS anymore. And we're tired of the previous generations making enemies out of countries just because they don't believe that the ultimate goal of a moral society is giving the rich to ability to screw over the poor.
So, please take your anti-communist propaganda over to Red State or the Free Republic web sites.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)You have not been here long enough to tell me where to go!
FreeBC
(403 posts)Telling you you don't belong here would mean I think you are irredeemable. I don't think that. I am pointing out a flaw in your logic (or lack of logic) and theorizing why you might hold a view that sounds like it came right out of the republican scare tactic handbook.
I am also pointing out that younger people don't buy that nonsense anymore.
This is 2013. "because Communism" is no longer a valid reason to make enemies of people of this world who do not wish to be our enemies. It's not only wrong, it's offensive. There are good people all over this world and most do not want to be put on the enemies list of the most militaristic nation in the world thanks to nonsense propaganda used to indoctrinate baby boomers 50-60 years ago.
But instead of defending your point of view, you ran to the mods, probably because your point of view is indefensible. How about this time you try and look at it from my point of view, or better still, try and look at it from the point of view of some poor farmer in Venezuela or China.
Paulie
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Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)This is what is wrong with DU. It has been overrun with users who will tell those that don't agree with them that they don't belong on this site. The user only had 380 post at the time of this alert and telling me that my views don't reflect DU. If that isn't an personal attack on another DU memeber then, maybe my time here is done and these users can reshape DU to be a my way or the highway site. You decide!
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cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)And I dont think he should be prosecuted for the revelation over the NSA being in bed with the telecommunications companies.
However he should face trial for revealing to China the efforts of US intelligence agencies at spying on them as revealing that kinda of information is usually considered treason for a reason.
tinrobot
(12,062 posts)Organizations outside the US... or a group of out of control organizations within?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)You are implying that Snowden met with officials from one or more foreign governments and gave them NSA secrets for their own use. Not so.
Snowden met with foreign newspapers and shared information to be published.
When comparing two acts - exposing government wrongdoing, and violating the law - you are asserting that adhering to the law is more important than holding our government accountable. Many, myself included, disagree with this assertion.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)How can it be construed that telling the world about the all pervasive eves dropping of the United States on it's own citizens is "helping the enemy"? What enemy and what use can they make of this revelation? Snowden is a courageous man, as Danial Elsberg has said, and he has done a good service for the American people. Go put your hair fire out.
karynnj
(60,968 posts)which they now will not do - meaning they will be harder to find before damage is done.
Not to mention if you have access to classified info, you promise not to reveal it. In a case where you feel strongly enough that it has be public, you KNOWINGLY accept the consequences. The problem with saying that he shouldn't is that that would mean ANYONE can release anything. Transparency is good on many things, but not trying to keep the country safe or diplomacy.
Civilization2
(649 posts)Nationalism is stupid and destructive,. religious nationalism doubly so.
One world, one people, one.
xtraxritical
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frylock
(34,825 posts)VanillaRhapsody
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Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I don't. Not at all. I feel far less secure.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)I do not support the spying, but that does not make Snowden a fucking hero.
askeptic
(478 posts)so which is it? Either we were all naive for thinking there was some semblance of privacy in personal communications (in which case it is hardly a revelation to other countries). If its all such commonplace knowledge, how could much have been compromised?
The apologists need to decide which it is.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)There were other ways of stopping it.
christx30
(6,241 posts)we wouldn't know about it at all.
It's like a guy that gets mad because a friend of his wife finds out he's cheating on her and tells her. The person that told the wife isn't in the wrong. The person cheating (or spying) is the one in the wrong.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)Go some congress person? You find a nice, liberal politician like Al Franken. You give him the information. He doesn't think of you as a hero trying to get the information out. He thinks of you as a traitor. He calls the NSA. He calls the FBI. You are arrested. Your family never finds out why. Or they are told lies about what happened. The American people are still in the dark.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)And we also know signing a legal document before getting a job that requires signing such working contract which explicitely specifies you will be prosecuted if you transmit such and such information to un-authorized parties (and that if you refuse to sign it you will not be hired for that job to begin with), anyone surprised by the promised prosecution after illegal disclosure is either naive or juvenile.
Ash_F
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struggle4progress
(126,150 posts)by US journalist Glenn Greenwald in the Brazilian O Globo newspaper reveal the locations of dozens of US and allied signals intelligence collection sites ...
Updated: July 8, 2013, 12:16 PM
http://www.newstalkflorida.com/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web
kirby
(4,534 posts)Just google those secret 'Australian' sites, they are well known and come up on older public information, not to mention some how their own gov't websites with mission statements.
struggle4progress
(126,150 posts)in political work:
You really can't stop your opponents from learning about what you do and how you do it. But make them work hard for their knowledge: don't just hand them the information. Whatever time they spend trying to figure it out is time they don't have for something else
The same principle applies to certain sorts of national security work in a democratic society. Democratic societies require significant transparency and openness, but they can also have real enemies. One compromise that serves the competing and contradictory needs here is to make sure that the information is available but that it is not packaged extremely conveniently
kirby
(4,534 posts)Which isn't really security at all. I understand your point and what Snowden did violated the law, but some of these examples being used to promote aiding the enemy seem contrived.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 8, 2013, 02:18 PM - Edit history (1)
totodeinhere
(13,688 posts)to justify wrongdoing on their part by reminding us that we are engaging in illegal spying ourselves. And by illegal I mean in violation of international law. Congress, which is in the hip pocket of the military industrial complex may have passed the Patriot Act, but that doesn't give us the right top spy on European countries and others. And yes some of them might be doing it to us as well but I want to live in a country that is better than that.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)What is really angering our government is that Snowden revealed that, because of these programs, we can no longer take the high road on human rights issues.
Our human rights violations are among the worst in the world.
Snooping on birthday greetings. Might as well be in jail. That is where the wardens read all incoming and outgoing mail.
After the next security crisis, and there is bound to be one sometime because these things happen pretty regularly, we will learn that some of our communications must be censored -- for national security reasons, of course. We will be told that the only way that we can be kept truly safe is for the government to not only read our e-mails and Facebook postings, but to black out parts that might cause people to have dangerous thoughts.
That's coming. It's coming.
We have secret laws and secret programs and next we will have secret government censorship.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)have fun looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life.
FreeBC
(403 posts)Not many people would be willing to do that.
Certainly Bush and Obama wouldn't... They bring in experts to twist the interpretation of laws so they can pretend to be following it. Bush and Obama have caused the deaths of thousands, but they certainly aren't willing to defend their actions in a court of law. They made/make law breaking a "policy interpretation."
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frylock
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tridim
(45,358 posts)frylock
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tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Questions on where they stand with wholesale domestic intelligence gathering and data mining are certainly going to be brought up. Will be interesting to see where candidates fall on this, especially those who were a part of the administration or participated with knowledge of this while in the administration.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)it won`t stop under a republican or democratic president , house, or senate
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)but The People vs. The Oligarchy.
Eventually the People will figure this out.
Psephos
(8,032 posts)They chuckle into their wine glasses as we succumb to self-righteous fights over Ds and Rs, and patriot/traitor name-calling.
Excellent post.
im1013
(633 posts)with D's vs. R's, liberal vs. conservative, men vs. women, black vs. white (Zimmerman) or the latest social-issue-of-the-week, nothing will ever change. The oligarchs will continue to get everything they want while the rest of us are too busy fighting, or possibly too scared of what we'll see, to look around at our country that has been stolen from us.
Galraedia
(5,331 posts)markpkessinger
(8,912 posts). . . I have to conclude -- based on his affect and his clarity of thought and articulation -- that he is authentic. Either that or he deserves an Academy award.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I don't pick up any artifice from him at all.