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Great Caesars Ghost

(532 posts)
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:00 PM Feb 2012

Whitney Houston's Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Baptist Church

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Whitney Houston's Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Baptist Church


First Posted: 02/16/2012 5:28 pm Updated: 02/16/2012 5:37 pm

Having previously picketed services for Matthew Shepard, Michael Jackson and Steve Jobs, Westboro Baptist Church now has its sights set on Whitney Houston's funeral.

The Christian Post is reporting that members of the right-wing Christian group, known for its strong anti-gay stance, are planning to stage a protest at the pop diva's private memorial, set for this weekend in her hometown of Newark, N.J.

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It is unclear why Westboro would have such an issue with Houston, who was known as a devout Christian and started singing at Newark's New Hope Baptist Church, where the funeral will be held. Phelps did imply that Houston's gay fanbase may have played a factor, tweeting: "F--k call her 'gay icon.' Yeah, WBC is picketing that funeral."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/whitney-houston-funeral-westboro-baptist-church_n_1283072.html?ref=gay-voices

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Whitney Houston's Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Baptist Church (Original Post) Great Caesars Ghost Feb 2012 OP
Outrageous! They make a mockery of freedom of speech! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2012 #1
It wouldnt be freedom of speech of we could limit theres. cstanleytech Feb 2012 #39
This may be one funeral where one of them gets seriously hurt. Booster Feb 2012 #2
If someone from WBC does get hurt or killed Great Caesars Ghost Feb 2012 #5
If someone gets hurt, WBC will use it as an excuse to sue. BlueIris Feb 2012 #9
Best thing to do is wait until one of them takes the dirt nap... teknomanzer Feb 2012 #20
Personally, I think the best thing to do would be to ignore their hateful scheme. BlueIris Feb 2012 #38
Couldn't they be stoped because what they do could be considered inciting a riot? The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #28
I've wondered a lot about that. BlueIris Feb 2012 #37
That won't go well. tanyev Feb 2012 #3
They would love that crunch60 Feb 2012 #4
That's something often alleged, never proved nxylas Feb 2012 #8
I don't have printed proof xmas74 Feb 2012 #31
That's OK, I believe you nxylas Feb 2012 #41
Just some more information for you on WBC LibertyLover Feb 2012 #44
God does not hate Whitney Houston so stop saying that! KamaAina Feb 2012 #6
That cartoon would be better if God's T-shirt had a Flying Spaghetti Monster symbol on it tclambert Feb 2012 #24
Oh god... sakabatou Feb 2012 #7
they've got too much dumb time on their hands-freakin' idiots katty Feb 2012 #10
Why the Westboro Baptist Church is a Scam. (Warning--extremely graphic content.) BlueIris Feb 2012 #11
They'll need doctors The Wizard Feb 2012 #19
Are we supposed to be outraged? quakerboy Feb 2012 #12
Old schtick is old. Jester Messiah Feb 2012 #13
Understand - these people are not a church at all. They are a business. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #14
Exactly. They picket funerals in frogmarch Feb 2012 #16
Nothing that the Newark biker clubs can't handle. rocktivity Feb 2012 #15
Would be great if they showed up. glinda Feb 2012 #17
They better have an escape route The Wizard Feb 2012 #18
I had similar thoughts. MADem Feb 2012 #36
Now there's EvilAL Feb 2012 #21
In Newark. Uh huh. That's a REALLY bad idea. Stock up the bandages hospitals. MichiganVote Feb 2012 #22
ROFLMAO ! jaysunb Feb 2012 #23
I'll expect the Patriot Guard Riders to show up bluestateguy Feb 2012 #25
Yes they come to non military funerals gopiscrap Feb 2012 #26
Spam deleted by cyberswede (MIR Team) sdfghytyt Feb 2012 #27
they better come with loads of security because NJ won't tolerate this. craigmatic Feb 2012 #29
Opportunistic attention whores. eom tawadi Feb 2012 #30
I figure they're gonna bury Fred in the back yard when the time comes jmowreader Feb 2012 #32
Don't these vile a-holes ever get tired of being vile a-holes? Bad_Ronald Feb 2012 #33
They are boring and predictable. Lex Feb 2012 #34
They picket just to picket. They have lost all manner of respect or meaning a long time ago. appleannie1 Feb 2012 #35
Attention-seeking publicity whores ... BlueMTexpat Feb 2012 #40
At this point they should not even be called a church liberal N proud Feb 2012 #42
They should be called Hate, Inc. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2012 #43
Hatriots burn with red hot intensity lunatica Feb 2012 #45
their protest has less to do with Houston that it does with face time on the news. Javaman Feb 2012 #46
Has their tax exempt status, as a church, been revoked? NT Gringostan Feb 2012 #47
This was reported on 14 Feb or earlier, hence was not LBN when posted here on 16 Feb: struggle4progress Feb 2012 #48

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
1. Outrageous! They make a mockery of freedom of speech! n/t
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:03 PM
Feb 2012

cstanleytech

(28,471 posts)
39. It wouldnt be freedom of speech of we could limit theres.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 04:35 AM
Feb 2012

Just saying is all.......personally I wouldnt be upset if they all came down with a bad case of the runs just before the funeral.

Booster

(10,021 posts)
2. This may be one funeral where one of them gets seriously hurt.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:10 PM
Feb 2012
 
5. If someone from WBC does get hurt or killed
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:21 PM
Feb 2012

I believe there are HIGH POWERED attorneys that will do defense pro bono.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
9. If someone gets hurt, WBC will use it as an excuse to sue.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:39 PM
Feb 2012
Don't by into it. WBC is a gigantic scam designed to provoke people so it can sue the crap out of them and make $$$ in the process.

teknomanzer

(1,868 posts)
20. Best thing to do is wait until one of them takes the dirt nap...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:36 PM
Feb 2012

And then show up at their funeral. Old Fred isn't getting any younger. I will bide my time. Oh what fun we will all have.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
38. Personally, I think the best thing to do would be to ignore their hateful scheme.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 03:37 AM
Feb 2012

Last edited Fri Feb 17, 2012, 05:45 AM - Edit history (2)

Aside from pointing out the scam-tastic quality of their "protests," I say: don't engage with these sad, pathetic grifters. They are useless wastes-of-space and do not deserve anyone's attention. Even picketing Fred's funeral would be giving them more recognition than any of them should get.

The Wielding Truth

(11,433 posts)
28. Couldn't they be stoped because what they do could be considered inciting a riot?
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:08 PM
Feb 2012

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
37. I've wondered a lot about that.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 03:33 AM
Feb 2012

Haven't managed to dig up a lot of answers.

tanyev

(49,284 posts)
3. That won't go well.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:11 PM
Feb 2012
 

crunch60

(1,412 posts)
4. They would love that
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:19 PM
Feb 2012

That would give them a reason to SUE! That's what they live on, money from lot's of lawsuits.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
8. That's something often alleged, never proved
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:31 PM
Feb 2012

It almost falls into the category of an urban myth, in that nobody ever provides specific examples of it happening.

xmas74

(30,055 posts)
31. I don't have printed proof
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:43 PM
Feb 2012

but Megan Phelps-Roper does regular PR work for the group on all the local radio stations and she has all but come out and absolutely admitted to it on the air.

One station made a comment about how the rumor has it that they win lots of money on their lawsuits and she basically admitted to it. She stated something along the lines of having to sue, if necessary, for their free speech rights and that financial winnings allow them to keep going.

I wish that local radio stations had written transcriptions but most of them around here do not. I do know that one of the stations she calls in to regularly is 96.5 out of the KC Metro area. She does interviews with them often and likes to also make song requests.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
41. That's OK, I believe you
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:05 AM
Feb 2012

Most people who talk about the WBC making their money from lawsuits don't provide the level of detail contained in your post. I'm not trying to defend the Phelps cult, I just like people to back up their allegations with something more specific than "Well, I heard...."

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
44. Just some more information for you on WBC
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:51 AM
Feb 2012

Old Fred was a lawyer, but was disbarred in 1979. A number of his children went to law school and have their own law firm, Phelps Chartered. I know that in the 1990s they used Phelps Chartered to sue the city of Topeka several times. From one suit they received $16,500 and are pursuing another one for $100,000. WBC claims that its money comes from donations from the congregation, but that's a bit disengenuious as most of the congregation are Phelps' family. Phelps Chartered can be engaged by members of the public for legal work, so part of the funding for WBC, as funneled through the congregation's gifts, comes from regular legal activities of the attorneys at Phelps Chartered, but WBC does indeed pursue litigation against individuals and institutions that have, shall we say, annoyed them. IIRC, WBC counter-sued the Maryland man whose son's funeral the group protested. He sued them and won at the state level but WBC appealed and the case went all the way to the Supreme Court, which found for WBC. It was one of those court cases that you knew had to be decided the way it was, but you really didn't want it to be.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. God does not hate Whitney Houston so stop saying that!
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:29 PM
Feb 2012

tclambert

(11,193 posts)
24. That cartoon would be better if God's T-shirt had a Flying Spaghetti Monster symbol on it
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:01 PM
Feb 2012

instead of the Jesus Fish.

Maybe better would be if He wore a shirt that said, "I hate the Westboro Baptist Church."

sakabatou

(46,143 posts)
7. Oh god...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:30 PM
Feb 2012

katty

(11,033 posts)
10. they've got too much dumb time on their hands-freakin' idiots
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:43 PM
Feb 2012

so who is underwriting these nutjobs?

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
11. Why the Westboro Baptist Church is a Scam. (Warning--extremely graphic content.)
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:44 PM
Feb 2012

The following is an interesting piece I read two years ago about what the WBC is really about. It contains references to WBC's hateful terms. Including anti-gay slurs. (The author is not insulting gay people, just criticizing the WBC, but I want to warn people who want to avoid that language no matter what.)

Please, no one buy into what Fred Phelps and his ilk are trying to pull here. No matter how much he may deserve to face our anger, I would hate to see anyone get provoked into getting sued in his profitable lawsuit scheme.

http://kanewj.com/wbc/

The Wizard

(13,735 posts)
19. They'll need doctors
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:27 PM
Feb 2012

not lawyers.

quakerboy

(14,864 posts)
12. Are we supposed to be outraged?
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:59 PM
Feb 2012

I cant seem to care much what WBC does, nor where they do it, as long as they are not intruding on the funerals themselves and not doing anything illegal. They are irrelevant to anything meaningful.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
13. Old schtick is old.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:03 PM
Feb 2012

Who gives a rat's ass?

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
14. Understand - these people are not a church at all. They are a business.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:04 PM
Feb 2012

My understanding is that these people are a church in name only. Their actual goal is to be as publicly offensive as possible so as to provoke a response that they can sue over and make money.

This is not a church - it is a money making racket.

The more controversial the better for them.

frogmarch

(12,251 posts)
16. Exactly. They picket funerals in
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:12 PM
Feb 2012

hopes someone will assault them so they can sue and make money. As you said, it's a money-making racket.

rocktivity

(45,006 posts)
15. Nothing that the Newark biker clubs can't handle.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:07 PM
Feb 2012

rocktivity

glinda

(14,807 posts)
17. Would be great if they showed up.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:19 PM
Feb 2012

The Wizard

(13,735 posts)
18. They better have an escape route
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:26 PM
Feb 2012

Newark could get very hostile, very fast, and the police might well be distracted.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
36. I had similar thoughts.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:49 AM
Feb 2012

Also, you can't sue someone if you can't identify them.

EvilAL

(1,437 posts)
21. Now there's
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:39 PM
Feb 2012

a fucking surprise.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
22. In Newark. Uh huh. That's a REALLY bad idea. Stock up the bandages hospitals.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:44 PM
Feb 2012

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
23. ROFLMAO !
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:51 PM
Feb 2012

First, I don't for one minute believe they will do this, but, trust me, it will be the very last funeral protest they'll do. And just like my fellow Vet said upthread: "they better have an escape route"...preferably one that takes off like a chopper.

btw:RIP Whitney.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
25. I'll expect the Patriot Guard Riders to show up
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:19 PM
Feb 2012

I do hope that they do not just restrict their activities to military funerals.

gopiscrap

(24,733 posts)
26. Yes they come to non military funerals
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:33 PM
Feb 2012

the westboro shit heads were gonna protest the Powell boy's funeral and the bikers showed (westboro chickened out) we actually had 4,000+ folks ready to the funeral site to shield the family if we needed to.

Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
29. they better come with loads of security because NJ won't tolerate this.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:16 PM
Feb 2012

tawadi

(2,110 posts)
30. Opportunistic attention whores. eom
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:37 PM
Feb 2012

jmowreader

(53,191 posts)
32. I figure they're gonna bury Fred in the back yard when the time comes
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:05 AM
Feb 2012

and admit he died a week AFTER the funeral.

The alternative is to announce the event, and a day later there'll be a protest on 12th Street in Topeka that makes the Million Man March look like two guys with a bullhorn.

 

Bad_Ronald

(265 posts)
33. Don't these vile a-holes ever get tired of being vile a-holes?
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:39 AM
Feb 2012

I mean, even people who love what they're doing & are unconditionally dedicated to their vocations take lunch & dinner breaks....and even vacations once in awhile. It seems to me that these people work indefatigably at being reprehensible douche stains 24/7, 365 days a year.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
34. They are boring and predictable.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:47 AM
Feb 2012

They have more than jumped the shark. I went to the counter-protest when they protested Elizabeth Edwards' funeral and there were like 1500 of us counter-protestors and 5 Westboro people. We took pictures of them like they were freaks. Which they are.


appleannie1

(5,457 posts)
35. They picket just to picket. They have lost all manner of respect or meaning a long time ago.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:36 AM
Feb 2012

BlueMTexpat

(15,689 posts)
40. Attention-seeking publicity whores ...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 05:38 AM
Feb 2012

that's what they are.

That a vicious group like this is allowed to use the name "Baptist" and "Church" in vain is a travesty of what is meant by freedom of speech and religion.

If they used names for what they truly are, i.e., Fascists and homophobes, at least they wouldn't get a tax break, even if we still might have to put up with their nasty POV.

liberal N proud

(61,194 posts)
42. At this point they should not even be called a church
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:06 AM
Feb 2012

They make no sense and surve no purpose.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
43. They should be called Hate, Inc. n/t
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:37 AM
Feb 2012

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
45. Hatriots burn with red hot intensity
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:59 AM
Feb 2012

Javaman

(65,705 posts)
46. their protest has less to do with Houston that it does with face time on the news.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:07 AM
Feb 2012

they haven't been in the spotlight in a while.

They are media hounds.

Gringostan

(127 posts)
47. Has their tax exempt status, as a church, been revoked? NT
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:29 AM
Feb 2012

struggle4progress

(126,147 posts)
48. This was reported on 14 Feb or earlier, hence was not LBN when posted here on 16 Feb:
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:42 AM
Feb 2012

Westboro Baptist Church Plans to Protest Whitney Houston Funeral
By Clara Morris , Christian Post Contributor
February 14, 2012|3:34 pm
The Westboro Baptist Church plans to protest Whitney Houston's funeral ... http://global.christianpost.com/news/westboro-baptist-church-plans-to-protest-whitney-houston-funeral-69485/

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