Marine Who Urinated on Taliban Dead Says He'd Do It Again
Source: ABC News
One of the U.S. Marines who was caught on video urinating on the corpses of suspected Taliban fighters has broken his silence to say that he's not sorry for what he did and he'd do it again.
"These were the same guys that were killing our family, killing our brothers," Sgt. Joseph Chamblin told ABC News affiliate WSOC in his first interview since the 2011 incident. Chamblin said he did regret any repercussions it may have had on the Marines, "but do I regret doing it? Hell no."
When asked if the act of urinating on the corpses was his form of revenge, Chamblin told WSOC, "We're human. Who wouldn't want that if you lost your brother or mother? Wouldn't you want revenge?"
Chamblin said one of his fellow Marines, Sgt. Mark Bradley, was killed in an IED explosion days before the incident.
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muntrv
(14,505 posts)
cstanleytech
(26,284 posts)dishonorable act.
24601
(3,959 posts)Commissioned Officers, Cadets and Midshipmen. It does not apply to enlisted Soldiers, Marines, Sailors or Airmen or Warrant officers that are not Commissioned.
The movie "A Few Good Men" ended with two enlisted marines being convicted of Conduct Unbecoming a Marine; however, that was movie magic and there is no such article in the UCMJ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conduct_unbecoming_an_officer_and_a_gentleman
The offense is defined in the punitive code, Article 133, of the United States Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), enacted at 10 U.S.C. § 933.
Article 133. Conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman:
Any commissioned officer, cadet, or midshipman who is convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. - 10 U.S.C. § 933 (effective 2008) Punishment may include Dismissal from the Service - the officer/cadet/midshipman equivalent of a Dishonorable Discharge.
The elements (of proof) are:
That the accused did or omitted to do certain acts; and
That, in the circumstances, these acts or omissions constituted conduct unbecoming an officer and gentleman.[1]
Here "officer" is understood to include commissioned officers, cadets, and midshipmen of both sexes, hence the more common term conduct unbecoming.
A gentleman is understood to have a duty to avoid dishonest acts, displays of indecency, lawlessness, dealing unfairly, indecorum, injustice, or acts of cruelty.[2]
rdharma
(6,057 posts)The errrp derrp is strong in that boy! 
valerief
(53,235 posts)
JeffHead
(1,186 posts)You had to humiliate them further by pissing on them. Our military is totally out of control. Back in the day we used to capture pow's and treat them like human beings. In WW2 Germans and Italians were falling all over themselves to surrender to the US because, they knew they would be treated humanely and with dignity. If they need medical attention or food or anything they got it and when the war was over they went back to their families. People wonder why the US has lost most of it's credibility around the world this is a prime example.
cstanleytech
(26,284 posts)The ones who he humiliated if he humiliated anyone was his fellow marines with such an act.
JeffHead
(1,186 posts)In my opinion (for what it's worth) They humiliated the entire country by celebrating the death of our enemies by pissing on their corpses. This country has lost it's bearings to the point that we're becoming everything we fought against 70 friggin years ago.
cstanleytech
(26,284 posts)Whats really disappointing though for me is that after Abu Ghraib you would have thought that the military would have learned its lesson and done more to weed out those types of people.
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)This isn't about how you look. It is about who you are.
westerebus
(2,976 posts)Humiliated? Just not felling it. That's just my personal opinion.
JeffHead
(1,186 posts)It doesn't reflect well on us as a society when we do this kind of shit to people. We are better than this.
westerebus
(2,976 posts)But, they happen.
That Marine was held accountable.
Is this anything new?
No. Soldiers have pissed on enemy dead for as long as there have been soldiers.
As far as reflecting on us as a society, we are what we are. The good and the evil.
So do I feel a sense of disgrace, humiliated, because of this Marines actions?
Personally, no.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Soldiers have pissed on enemy dead for as long as there have been soldiers...."
Using "we've been doing/not doing this this time immemorial" is a pretty weak and ineffectual rationalization for doing or not doing a particular thing.
"So do I feel a sense of disgrace, humiliated, because of this Marines actions? Personally, no..."
As is your right to advertise your character as such.
westerebus
(2,976 posts)I stated a fact.
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)Every single person, and especially former military who honorably served.
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)During World War II, American solidiers routinely desecrated Japanese corpses. If fact, they sent or brought various body parts of dead Japanese soldiers home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_mutilation_of_Japanese_war_dead
I think its safe to say that more than a few were also urinated on (or worse). The lack of camera phones and the internet prevented the dissemination of this information. Its a brave new world.
christx30
(6,241 posts)did horrible things to the bodies of American and Chinese soldiers they killed/captured. The Battaan Death march comes to mind. The point of war isn't just to win battles or take away the enemy's ability to fight. The point is to make continued fighting such a terrible idea they have no choice but to give up. Force a surrender. There are no good guys or bad guys. Just the survivors and the dead.
JeffHead
(1,186 posts)of the Dachau Massacre? War crimes have been committed by US soldiers, in the past and in the present and likely will happen again. That piss-ant is a waste of human skin. Read some history Jeff, unless you want to be poorly informed. BTW, the treatment was not "American", the treatment of POWs is defined in the Geneva Conventions. US Armed Forces follow them sporadically.
Lionel Mandrake
(4,076 posts)In the third volume of his trilogy, Rick Atkinson details some atrocities committed by US soldiers while approaching the Rhine in early 1945. This is an eye-opener for those who think of WW2 as a clean war.
The Guns at Last Light: The War in Western Europe, 1944-1945
by Rick Atkinson
warrant46
(2,205 posts)Or for that matter how they would treat a POW after they heard this "patriot" spout his take
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cstanleytech
(26,284 posts)we have here in the US atleast imo they both are.
I mean look at all the stuff the taliban did when it had power like the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan to what they did when they captured Mazar-i Sharif.
So no, the taliban was never ever a benevolent peaceful government.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cstanleytech
(26,284 posts)See, I never said it was ok and in fact at #7 in this thread I pointed out he was demoted for it as he should have been.
So what is your problem then you ask or why do I state you have one?
Because rather than admit that the taliban were a bunch of assholes you ignore my other posts and make a post implying I suggested it was ok for this marine to behave like an asshole himself.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)But he is not a great soldier.
Shame on him.
And let's talk about more comprehensive situation.
And not about anecdote that put shame on everyone.
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)WTF does that even mean?
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Especially because we will all be facing the Chineese emperialism. In the long run.
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)What the hell are you talking about?
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)The Maghreb is already facing that reality, and is already asking itself when USA will react.
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say; and now I don't even care.
Cheers!
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Can I be that real ? Only the extremist of us are thinking about this ridiculous soldier.
We don't give a fuck about him !
Can I be more clear ?!
Our preoccupations are al about commerce.....
We want free trade.
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)"Only the extremist of us are thinking about this ridiculous soldier"?
Which soldier are you referring to?..The one being held captive by the Taliban, or the "Urinator"?
"Can I be more clear?"......Is the Pope Catholic?
"Our preoccupations are al (sic) about commerce?..We want free trade
I'm guessing that English is NOT your native language, and there's nothing wrong with that.
But who, exactly, are the "we" you talk about?
Who do you represent?
Are you even a Democrat?
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Since you are insulting me , I will put an end to this conversation. Have a good night !
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)Good night to you too!
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)So get a life !
Judi Lynn
(160,522 posts)red dog 1
(27,792 posts)This person kept talking about "we"...
."We don't give a F__K about him"..."We want free trade.".."Our preoccupations are al about commerce"..
his/her profile states "like U.S. politic, and think that a greater participation of the muslim/s
ummah in the empire/s agora can change some stuff."
God only knows what THAT means?
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)How do you know that?
Are you a "real Muslim"?
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)red dog 1
(27,792 posts)You are now responding to my post # 49 where I asked you:about your statement:
"Well, the fact is that real Muslims don't give a fuck about your pissing soldier"
and I asked "How do you know that"?.."Are you a 'real Muslim?"
I take it your answer is "Yes, I am (a real Muslim) "And you are not", which is true, I am NOT a Muslim.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)red dog 1
(27,792 posts)It's membership is restricted by policy to those who are supportive of the Democratic Party and Democratic candidates for political office."
(Wikipedia)
Response to red dog 1 (Reply #62)
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Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)red dog 1
(27,792 posts)From post # 25
"I mean we, Muslims and Christians, we should have better understanding.
Especially because we will all be facing the Chineese emperialism. In the long run"
MADem
(135,425 posts)Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)
crim son
(27,464 posts)I just read your profile. I think your English is very good and screw anybody who thinks it's in good form to respond to you as if you're stupid... you are obviously bright enough to speak at least two languages!
John2
(2,730 posts)anybody really has responded to him as if he was stupid? What he doesn't seem to know too much about is the history of this country and its people. I just read his profile also, and figured he wasn't an American.
I spent years in the American military. I wasn't just a soldier also. I was also spent part of my time in leadership positions. What that soldier did was dishonorable to the U.S. military. We lived by a code of conduct. We also represented our country. That is who we are as a people. He talks about freedom of commerce. Freedom of commerce for whom? Freedom of Commerce to benefit whom in Tunisia?
Now he called me a racist. I'm an African American and the son of slaves in this country. That is how much he knows about Americans. He doesn't have the slightest idea what he is talking about when it comes to the United States and its people. And I don't define Democracy the same as he does. For example in this country, we seperate church and state. In this country, we believe the less well off has just as much right as the well off. It doesn't matter who your parents were. Religion does not dictate the rights of others. This is a country, that went through nearly four years of a bloody Civil War over slavery. Over 600,000 Americans died in that War. The Syrian Civil War is nothing compared to that. And we are still fighting over that War, because some Americans still want to return to the Past. That is why America doesn't have any moral compass to preach to any country about human rights.
MADem
(135,425 posts)red dog 1
(27,792 posts)(From Sand Wind's profile)
ABOUT ME:
"Muslim, link to the Maghreb but living in North America. Like US politic, and think that a greater participation of the muslim/s ummah in the empire/s agora can change some stuff. Sorry for my English."
One of his/her comments on the thread:
Brotherhood Leader: Egyptian Army 'Worse Than the Jews'
Post # 3
(Sand Wind) "It's like an old shoe full of holes. Nt"
Post # 4
(jessie04) "What does that mean?"
Post # 5
(Sand Wind) "It mean..That this argument is so used and abused that you cannot believe it will still serve to anything....you can't make road with that shoe."
I just hope that the "we" he/she was referring to (in responses to me) wasn't a reference to some North American "Maghreb Al Qaeda" cell or some other 'Maghreb" terrorist network.
MADem
(135,425 posts)All I can sort out is that English is a 2nd language; the poster is Muslim; FWIW, I take Maghreb to mean the nations of north Africa, west of Egypt--I could be mistaken....
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)Maghreb...."A region of northwest Africa comprising the coast-lands and the Atlas Mountains of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia."
I wasn't at all being racist with this person....I know that most Muslims are good people, but he/she showed a callousness towards the Idaho Taliban captive that just made me mad.
and the fact that what he/she was saying made little or no sense made it very difficult to understand what it was that he/she meant....and I truly did want to understand what the hell he/she was trying to say.
(I still don't think he/she is a Democrat though)
MADem
(135,425 posts)Sometime language barriers make it tough to express oneself.
Also, sometimes cultural differences manifest in surprising (to people in US culture) ways...not everyone in the world shares our sensitivities, in some places they think we're bleeding hearts.
I figure time will tell; it generally does!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)that we, or China, or whomever, isn't buying?
Or is it that you want to buy and can't?
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)For now, the only free trade with North Africa that you have is with Maroco.
But try to import electronics stuffs from Algeria or Tunisia in USA, and you will face a 30% penalty.
I try it , and it's really difficult to import in America.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)China or somewhere in Asia like everyone else does?
Is it because you are from there and want to help them do business, or is there something unique about their products?
Or is there some other reason?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)And I wonder if hero will come be so proud about it if one of their kids, or a pissed-off relative, blows up a school or office building here a few years from now, since we gave them something to really make that hate run deep?
Maybe he will come piss on the ashes, proud as he is of his actions.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Wonder if he gets some extra pain every time hero shoots off his mouth?
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)They provide to our people's.
But really, you have to understand that what you call convension, the one from Geneve, it is a cultural construction.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)the innocent kids and families we are killing with our drones.
I understand that just fine.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)red dog 1
(27,792 posts)he's do it again, can only hurt the chances of that poor guy from Idaho to ever be freed;
And who knows what his captors might do to him now, ...after "The Urinator's" public statement.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)red dog 1
(27,792 posts)Don't you think this is an important issue to the Idaho captive's family?
Don't you think this is an important issue to the captive soldier himself?
How will his captors react after hearing about this jackass Marnie's public statement?
"Let's talk about more important issues"?
WHAT issues?..."Chineese emperialism"?..."The Maghreb"? (whatever the hell that is)
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)You have to understand that nobody know his name except in your country.
So I understand that you care about him, and I hope that your country will find a satisfactory ending.
But really we don't give a fuck about this story.
carla
(553 posts)involves recognizing that the US invaded their country. The Taliban are exercising the right to self defense against an aggressor. Piss-ant soldier is just a tiny example of the abuse the US brings on its chosen enemies. If war is hell, those who engage in it are demons. BTW, he "he have (sic) the right to do it" is not a fact. The ordinances governing combat deny this kind of retribution.
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)If anyone there present were worth their weight in shit, they would have set him straight.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)His friends are dying for nothing. They are killing humans for nothing. Suicides are high. Sexual assaults are high. PTSD is extremely high. What do we expect to happen when we put people in this situation, which was created by the Bush administration and is being perpetuated by the Obama administration?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)My son-in-law has PTSD from months in Afghanistan.
He just retired from the Navy at 38 years old so time to heal.
cstanleytech
(26,284 posts)He knew what he was doing and trying to blame the politicians for the decisions he made himself is pure sophistry.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)How many tours has he been on? How many people has he seen die? How many people has he killed?
I think that would fuck with a person's head.
cstanleytech
(26,284 posts)Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #9)
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The Stranger
(11,297 posts)He did that all by himself.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Socal31
(2,484 posts)Scientifically, the bodies at that point were just cells about to decay into carbon. They could not feel humiliated.
Psychologically, this is exactly why we don't need to send teens to foreign lands to get blown up. War warps the mind. We have too many 20-somethings that are permanently damaged for no reason. I don't blame them, I blame the policy makers.
William769
(55,145 posts)But it happens and want to take a wild guess who did it?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)His brother and mother were over there?
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another_liberal
(8,821 posts)He should not identify himself as a Marine. He brings shame on the entire Marine Corps.
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)
Notafraidtoo
(402 posts)Was give propaganda material to the enemy with proof to back it up, a few more people are going to be pointing their rifles at American soldiers because of the selfish acts of this idiot...not very patriotic.
alp227
(32,018 posts)See this Chappelle's Show skit and this Chicago Sun-Times article to see why I referred to R. Kelly.
As for this Marine, well next time don't record such stupid moments on camera, keep this kind of behavior as guys' night out gossip so that the bad guys can't use this video as Al-Qaeda recruitment. Sucks how many right wing faux "patriots" were cheering on this dumbass without realizing the implications of the video!
olddad56
(5,732 posts)
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)I was born in 1980 and I grew up in a family that leaned right. I had no relation with anyone who actually served in a post WWII war in an Infantry function. My one grandfather was a WWII Infantryman, my other grandfather was a typist/clerk assigned to a unit in Japan during the Korean war, and my father narrowly missed being drafted to Vietnam based on his birth date.
I grew up watching and idolizing G.I. Joe (the real American hero) and I saw conflicts such as Panama, Desert Storm, Bosnia/Kosovo as justified use of our military and as proof that our military was there to be used by our leaders as a force to spread freedom, opportunity, and democracy to the world. Our military might was used to stop genocide and to free the oppressed. Hell, I idolized the Green Berets whose motto is "De oppresso libre" or liberator of the oppressed.
I joined the Army in 1997, received an Army ROTC scholarship in 1998, and graduated college in 2002 and voluntarily sought an assignment as an Infantry Officer in the Army. Afghanistan, in my mind and at the time, was completely justified. I never dreamed that we would enter a war like we did in Iraq. I was finishing up my training at Fort Benning, GA in March 2003 when the war in Iraq started. Even at the time I thought the war was stupid and I had no idea why we went there. I never bought the arguments from bush (even though I supported him and even voted for him in 2000). I had no idea that I'd find myself in Iraq in February 2004 serving as an Infantry Platoon Leader.
Even though I never believed in the war and never bought the rhetoric, I was going to do my best to "do the right thing" and to treat everyone with respect of dignity. I was there to help make the country a better place. I wanted to work with the Iraqi people and I truly wanted them to live in a better country.
I was brainwashed by my upbringing before the Army even got a hold of me. The only brainwashing the Army did to me was to make it easy for me kill someone.
If you are interested in learning about this, read the book On Killing written by Dave Grossman. To give a four sentence summary, data gathered from WWII and wars prior indicate that only %15-20 of people who have actually seen an enemy in combat could bring themselves to kill that person. Upon realizing that statistic, the Army instituted a variety of techniques to train people to be more willing to kill. By Vietnam, data indicated that 95% of Soldiers who saw and enemy were able to and willing to kill them. As a result of this, we see many more vets suffering mental health issues after war now than we have in previous wars.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Amazing.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)BigD_95
(911 posts)Not with what these U.S. Marines have seen & been through.
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)U.S. Marines have been through this and far worse in their history.
This is shocking break from the honor they had carried thus far.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)but the only reason I didn't urinate on any of the dead that my platoon killed was because I didn't think of it. Not that I'd be proud of doing it after the fact, but I could totally understand how/why someone would do that. You don't kill people you think should be respected and treated with dignity.
War brings out the worst in people.
Go on, judge me with the rest of these guys. Unless you've been through war, a firefight, watching someone in your sights drop, and recovering their mangled body you have no idea what you are talking about and have no basis on which to judge someone who has.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"War brings out the worst in people...."
It also brings out the best in people. Acts such as these are an individual choice, not a predetermination.
independentpiney
(1,510 posts)and I'm sure it happens in almost every war, especially where there's a racial, religious or ethnic aspect to it. It's another awful, dehumanizing effect of war. Having never been anywhere near in this guys boots, I can't judge him and his buddies for doing it. None of us can be sure how moral we could stay in such immoral circumstances.
tanyev
(42,552 posts)Yeah, that really showed them.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)KinMd
(966 posts)how we'd react to friends being killed in front of our eyes. I've never been to war, but I know it makes a person do things he or she never thought they would do.
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)"It's easy for us, who've never (insert something here) . . . but I know it makes a person do things he or she never thought they would do."
There are laws governing war. These have been settled. The people who came up with these laws had been to war.
WatermelonRat
(340 posts)Morally, they could grind the carcass up and feed it to pigs and I wouldn't give a damn. It must never, never be forgotten what the Taliban has done in areas under their control.
dgilmour32863
(22 posts)And a true disgrace to the uniform.
