Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:46 PM Jul 2013

North Pole Now a Lake

Source: Live Science

Instead of snow and ice whirling on the wind, a foot-deep aquamarine lake now sloshes around a webcam stationed at the North Pole. The meltwater lake started forming July 13, following two weeks of warm weather in the high Arctic. In early July, temperatures were 2 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit (1 to 3 degrees Celsius) higher than average over much of the Arctic Ocean, according to the National Snow & Ice Data Center.

Meltwater ponds sprout more easily on young, thin ice, which now accounts for more than half of the Arctic's sea ice. The ponds link up across the smooth surface of the ice, creating a network that traps heat from the sun. Thick and wrinkly multi-year ice, which has survived more than one freeze-thaw season, is less likely sport a polka-dot network of ponds because of its rough, uneven surface.

July is the melting month in the Arctic, when sea ice shrinks fastest. An Arctic cyclone, which can rival a hurricane in strength, is forecast for this week, which will further fracture the ice and churn up warm ocean water, hastening the summer melt. The Arctic hit a record low summer ice melt last year on Sept. 16, 2012, the smallest recorded since satellites began tracking the Arctic ice in the 1970s.

Read more: http://www.livescience.com/38347-north-pole-ice-melt-lake.html



Words fail!
57 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
North Pole Now a Lake (Original Post) hedgehog Jul 2013 OP
An ice-free arctic will alter jet stream patterns and produce extreme weather at mid-lattitudes jpak Jul 2013 #1
Doesn't sound too healthy. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #2
Methane will leak at a higher rate, trapping more heat. alfredo Jul 2013 #18
You mean like we've already been seeing the past two years? NickB79 Jul 2013 #24
The Jet Stream is ALREADY behaving strangely. bvar22 Jul 2013 #56
We are now entering uncharted territory 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #3
+1 Auggie Jul 2013 #4
Yes, sadly Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #41
image.. DCBob Jul 2013 #5
Thanks for the pic - will make a great billboard piece 'brought to you by the GOP' & co. toby jo Jul 2013 #9
Glad I won't be around to see the latter part of this century. onehandle Jul 2013 #6
Soylent Green ain't fiction; it's a menu, baby! Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #50
Am I the only one who read to the bottom of the quote? eggplant Jul 2013 #7
I believe the writer reversed the data - hedgehog Jul 2013 #8
He used "ice melt" improperly. "Ice extent" would be correct. nt GliderGuider Jul 2013 #11
One year's data mean little. One needs to see the long term trends. alfredo Jul 2013 #19
Here's the long-term trend, in video form NickB79 Jul 2013 #25
I keep getting an error alfredo Jul 2013 #57
Interactive chart of ice area since 1979 XemaSab Jul 2013 #31
Fuck. Us 20-somethings won't have a planet. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #10
Nope... it's gonna be interesting. Agschmid Jul 2013 #12
You betcha. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #13
Me too... Agschmid Jul 2013 #15
It's a prequel to WALL-E alfredo Jul 2013 #20
Watch out you'll end up with this... Agschmid Jul 2013 #21
That's so cool. Maybe I should watch all of them alfredo Jul 2013 #28
Oh cut the drama. cstanleytech Jul 2013 #42
Life will continue NickB79 Jul 2013 #48
So many Evangelical Christians; greiner3 Jul 2013 #45
that would be the do`t give a fuck evangelical christians madrchsod Jul 2013 #47
No, and I'm Delphinus Jul 2013 #51
Thats not good Iliyah Jul 2013 #14
We're fucked sakabatou Jul 2013 #16
I'm waiting for some jerk to claim the North Pole has ALWAYS melted like this. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #17
It's a hoax Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #22
Its Obama's fault too. DCBob Jul 2013 #23
That goes without saying Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #36
merry xmas corkhead Jul 2013 #26
What about the elves? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #27
Every Christmas, NORAD tracks Santa bananas Jul 2013 #35
They don't know how to swim! They_Live Jul 2013 #43
Watch GASLAND 2 FREE Online to see how we are making it WORSE! (LINK) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #29
Colonize outer space... or perish. zonkers Jul 2013 #30
I feel sorry for the polar bears...they are going to go extinct! Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #32
Followed shortly by millions of humans starving NickB79 Jul 2013 #39
I figured it would get to this defacto7 Jul 2013 #33
Sea ice area XemaSab Jul 2013 #34
Holy fuck. nt NickB79 Jul 2013 #40
Uh, I would like to know why that photo is indicating red dots (a ~60% concentration of sea ice) Heywood J Jul 2013 #49
Error in the sensors XemaSab Jul 2013 #54
With two months (more or less) to go . . . hatrack Jul 2013 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #37
Lake Inconvenient Truth daleo Jul 2013 #38
Don't worry. Gawd has this. It's 11-Dimensional, environmental rope-a-dope. Just wait. You'll see... blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #44
today it was warmer in the yukon than it was in chicago madrchsod Jul 2013 #46
Glad I'm almost 50 PasadenaTrudy Jul 2013 #52
It is a race to see who/what will end up killing the most humans. Socal31 Jul 2013 #53

jpak

(41,755 posts)
1. An ice-free arctic will alter jet stream patterns and produce extreme weather at mid-lattitudes
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jul 2013

The polar bears will not be the only ones that will suffer because of this.

yup

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
18. Methane will leak at a higher rate, trapping more heat.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 04:23 PM
Jul 2013

Mr Inhofe can lie about climate change because he knows he will not see the full consequences of his putting political gain above human life.

NickB79

(19,214 posts)
24. You mean like we've already been seeing the past two years?
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jul 2013

The future is no longer the future; it's NOW.

Welcome to Fuckedville.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
56. The Jet Stream is ALREADY behaving strangely.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:14 PM
Jul 2013

I live in Central Arkansas.
This year, we have enjoyed Record Breaking:

*Snow in May (first time EVER)

*Record LOW temps in July

*Last week, we had a pattern of Storms and Squall Lines moving from EAST to WEST.
(This is sooooooo uncommon, that we had to research whether it is possible to have a tornado track from East to West.
It IS, but VERY rare.)

*and we're getting RAIN almost every day
(very uncommon for this area in Mid-Summer)

While we are enjoying sleeping without A/C in JULY!!!!,
and our Veggie Garden is LOVING it,
these patterns are scary.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
5. image..
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:22 PM
Jul 2013
?1374519402

That looks like all water with only a faint view of some ice in the distance. Not good.

eggplant

(3,906 posts)
7. Am I the only one who read to the bottom of the quote?
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:31 PM
Jul 2013

Last summer had the *least* amount of melting since the 1970s.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
8. I believe the writer reversed the data -
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jul 2013

The apparent low point for 2012 was reached Sunday, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, which said that sea ice that day covered about 1.32 million square miles, or 24 percent, of the surface of the Arctic Ocean. The previous low, set in 2007, was 29 percent.

When satellite tracking began in the late 1970s, sea ice at its lowest point in the summer typically covered about half the Arctic Ocean, but it has been declining in fits and starts over the decades.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/science/earth/arctic-sea-ice-stops-melting-but-new-record-low-is-set.html?_r=0

NickB79

(19,214 posts)
25. Here's the long-term trend, in video form
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 06:17 PM
Jul 2013


The Arctic will be ice-free in the summer before 2020, guaranteed.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
31. Interactive chart of ice area since 1979
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 08:35 PM
Jul 2013
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

Last year was BAD.

Note well that 2007 was WAY below any previous year, and we've never recovered from it. If you take out 2009, you can see the severity of the problem clearly.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
12. Nope... it's gonna be interesting.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jul 2013

OT: That movie Elysium is coming out soon, you planning on going to see it?

cstanleytech

(26,209 posts)
42. Oh cut the drama.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 09:51 PM
Jul 2013

The planet will remain and live will continue, yes there will be consequences to people who live on the coasts as well as altering weather patterns but that in of itself isnt new to the planet but whats really harming the planet is the number of humans.
The population keeps climbing and it just isnt sustainable in the long run even if the weather remained the same as it was 1000 - 2000 years ago.

NickB79

(19,214 posts)
48. Life will continue
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:18 AM
Jul 2013

Yes, just as life continued after the previous mass extinction events that hit our planet over the past billion years, it will recover from this as well.

It's just that we've doomed a good portion of this planet's species to extinction, and likely doomed human civilization to a collapse on a scale never seen before, along with all the horrors that come when nations are forced to fight over dwindling resources.

In a million years, new species will be evolving from the survivors (rats, crows, coyotes, pigeons, etc) and our descendents will be living in mud huts again, hunting with spears and arrows.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
45. So many Evangelical Christians;
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 10:50 PM
Jul 2013

Believe that God would never let this crap get TOO far and if they pray hard and long enough everything will be just hunky dorey.

Well, isn't that special?

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
47. that would be the do`t give a fuck evangelical christians
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jul 2013

there is a small minority of evangelical christen who believe in the writings that god called on man to take care of the land. of course this was pretty much a universal concept once mankind decided to cultivate the land and domesticate animals.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
14. Thats not good
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 03:41 PM
Jul 2013


The climate deniers will have their own fully overpaid so called scientist debunk that pronto.

liberal N proud

(60,331 posts)
27. What about the elves?
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jul 2013

But seriously, this is a tragedy that we will all pay for and still there is not enough action to stem the climate change.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
35. Every Christmas, NORAD tracks Santa
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 08:49 PM
Jul 2013

and they start at Santa's Village.
How are they going to explain this to the kids?

http://www.noradsanta.org/

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
32. I feel sorry for the polar bears...they are going to go extinct!
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 08:37 PM
Jul 2013

They will starve without enough sea ice.

NickB79

(19,214 posts)
39. Followed shortly by millions of humans starving
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 09:22 PM
Jul 2013

With the ice cap gone, the jet stream will go haywire. The past few years of more and more extreme weather is just a taste of things to come.

And when the weather goes crazy, the farms we rely on for food will be barren, either from droughts, flooding, or heat waves.

Heywood J

(2,515 posts)
49. Uh, I would like to know why that photo is indicating red dots (a ~60% concentration of sea ice)
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:38 AM
Jul 2013

at the eastern end of Lake Erie. Sea ice (on a freshwater lake) in July would have been nice last week when it was hot.

hatrack

(59,558 posts)
55. With two months (more or less) to go . . .
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:11 PM
Jul 2013

NSIDC's area track is down to the 2 Standard Deviations line, but not yet to 2012 territory.

Still, early times . . .

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
46. today it was warmer in the yukon than it was in chicago
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:05 AM
Jul 2013

this is all about my 2yr old grand kids and the billions of other like them who may never live out their lives as i will.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
53. It is a race to see who/what will end up killing the most humans.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:54 AM
Jul 2013

Oppenheimer and crew (I still think this will be the winner)

A Fort Dietrich creation

Mikhail Kalashnikov (AK-47)

Internal Combustion Engine/Modern Cattle Farming


Place your bets!

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»North Pole Now a Lake