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Any charges to date, are subject to change--as anyone in the human rights field knows. Regardless how one feels about Snowden that ought to be at least a small area of concern or at least, interest.
How "proud" we should all be that we know have to vow ahead of time not to torture in order for an extradition to take place. 
really don't believe them. And I would not be surprised to see Putin turn him over to the U.S. if he stays there.
and I also know bushmonkey and cheneyvadar would have got to him by now. Snowden would be dead, cold and in the ground. Unless this Snowden incident was just designed to make Obama look bad and he wouldn't have done it to bushhmonkey? In this society one cannot be sure of any motive by any individual at any time anymore. This society went off the rails in 2009 solely because of the election of a man of color and that family occupying the white house. And has been off since then, that's a quote from an associate. Makes one think! 
In my book, more true than not.
...like snowboarding or water polo.
Oh, our rulers can think up all kinds of things that are "not torture," in their own opinion, to do to Snowden. They can always find a Gonzalez or a Holder to write up the "legal memo." What a crock!
But I was thinking more of the irony that Russia HAS NO DEATH PENALTY--a legacy from communism--and all the hay that the U.S. State Department and the corporate media make over "human rights violations" in Russia. THEY have no death penalty. We DO. The death penalty is THE most inhumane of state powers, and has not only been proven to be applied to people later proven innocent, but creates a whole system and culture of brutality that infects every police department, every prison, every prosecution office, every courtroom, every public official and office holder and every community in the United States.
Brutal attitudes toward prisoners. Brutal attitudes toward civilians as well (we're all "perps" or "potential perps," in their view). Brutal attitudes toward other countries and other cultures. The death penalty both reflects and helps create this brutal fascist attitude throughout the criminal justice system and from there into society. Our rulers hold death over our heads. That is the reality. And if YOU get accused of a death penalty offense, and you are innocent, and you DON'T HAVE LOTS OF MONEY, your chances of proving your innocence are just about nil. That is the reality--into the slammer with you, scheduled for death if it's a capital offense, or facing long, long prison terms in wretched and brutal conditions that induce numerous suicides, even for minor offenses like drug possession.
The rot in our civilization has direct connections to the death penalty. Death penalty = life is cheap and yours doesn't matter if you are poor. And Russia, for all their difficulties, still holds to the HUMANE communist idea that the state should not have this power.
Yeah, Stalin killed A LOT of people, and now the mafia's doing the killing--but, a) these crimes were/are not legal, and b) we don't judge our own country entirely on the crimes of a few. We also include--or should include--the lawfulness and even goodness of most people and the better ideals of our history and tradition. So, yeah, this is an irony and an interesting fact--no death penalty in Russia, of all places, and, of course, no death penalty throughout the western world, except here.
Ergo, Mr. Eric Holder--defender of Chiquita's death squads in Colombia--has to apologize for our death penalty to Russia and promise not to inflict it on Mr. Snowden for his whistleblowing.
Daniel Ellsberg recently said that this (the U.S.) is a different country from the one in which he released the Pentagon Papers. He was exonerated. That was still possible, then. (This was in answer to a question about Snowden fleeing the U.S.) It's different now. There is no safety for whistleblowers. The state has too much power--grabbed with both hands by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, and--tragically--confirmed and/or expanded by the Obama administration. Among these UNCONSTITUTIONAL powers is the infliction of death on ANYONE, at home or abroad, by presidential fiat, currently exercised by anonymous drone bombings in foreign countries, with no accusation, no trial, no appeal, and, if your kids or your neighbors happen to be standing around, to hell with them, too. Hundreds of kids murdered by U.S. drone bombings!
That says it all about "the rule of law" here and what the death penalty has done to it. It starts with executions for crimes, determined by trials that are egregiously unfair to the poor. It gets worse. Bush Jr. got his taste for blood in Texas, happily executing human being after human being, even in questionable cases, even with overwhelming evidence that mercy should be shown. War, torture, egregious looting of the public coffers, are NEXT. When you give the government the idea that it can kill people, fascism and all of its horrors are NEXT.
That is where we are--having to lie to Russia that we won't torture or murder Snowden--a man who has HURT NO ONE, and who in fact has helped our democracy (such as it is) with his disclosures.
"The land of the free/ the home of the brave."
Tragic.
Peace 
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