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Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:04 PM

 

Putin says he may seek 4th Presidential term

Source: AP

VALDAI, Russia (AP) President Vladimir Putin said Thursday he may run for a fourth presidential term in 2018, confirming the expectations of most Russians and frustrating those now working to restore free elections in Russia.

If Putin runs and wins, it would keep him in power for about a quarter century and make him the nation's longest-serving leader since Soviet dictator Josef Stalin.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/putin-says-he-may-seek-4th-presidential-term



At least he'll be in good company. Although some here on DU may think this is a GOOD thing......

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Reply Putin says he may seek 4th Presidential term (Original post)
7962 Sep 2013 OP
William769 Sep 2013 #1
jessie04 Sep 2013 #41
onehandle Sep 2013 #2
Sunlei Sep 2013 #3
7962 Sep 2013 #5
DeSwiss Sep 2013 #4
KamaAina Sep 2013 #6
MADem Sep 2013 #11
David__77 Sep 2013 #7
William769 Sep 2013 #8
MADem Sep 2013 #10
David__77 Sep 2013 #15
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #24
David__77 Sep 2013 #29
geek tragedy Sep 2013 #16
former9thward Sep 2013 #27
geek tragedy Sep 2013 #31
MADem Sep 2013 #9
Blasphemer Sep 2013 #12
CreekDog Sep 2013 #13
alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #14
freshwest Sep 2013 #22
Ash_F Sep 2013 #17
Hayabusa Sep 2013 #18
Cryptoad Sep 2013 #19
freshwest Sep 2013 #23
Cryptoad Sep 2013 #25
pampango Sep 2013 #20
freshwest Sep 2013 #21
Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #26
go west young man Sep 2013 #33
Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #35
go west young man Sep 2013 #38
Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #39
go west young man Sep 2013 #40
Zater Sep 2013 #28
gopiscrap Sep 2013 #30
7962 Sep 2013 #32
Ash_F Sep 2013 #37
arely staircase Sep 2013 #34
dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #36
treestar Sep 2013 #42

Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:12 PM

1. He's a fucking asshole and I hope he rots in Hell! nt

ETA:

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Response to William769 (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:04 AM

41. Ditto

 

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:18 PM

2. Time to starve Russia again. nt

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:18 PM

3. is there anyone still alive or not in sibera who would oppose him

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:22 PM

5. And there's the problem. nt

 

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:22 PM

4. ....

 

[center]Anybody got a problem with that?

No? Good.[/center]

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:25 PM

6. I hope he's not counting on the LGBT vote

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:30 PM

11. His buddies will count the votes.

Everyone in Mother Russia could vote for Frosty the Siberian Snowman, and the result would still show Pootsie by a landslide.....

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:25 PM

7. What a terribly propagandistic article.

What's with the Stalin reference? Such nonsense. You can oppose Putin, but a "news" article isn't the place to smuggle it in.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:26 PM

8. Truth hurts. nt

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Response to David__77 (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:28 PM

10. Nothing propagandistic about it--he's a dictator, and so was Uncle Joe.

Like Bill said--Truth hurts.

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Response to MADem (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 04:02 PM

15. My point is, should the editorial policy be to state that in the implicit way it was done?

They could be more honest and simply state "Russian dictator Vladimir Putin." I would think that preferable to the implicit editorial statement. And I'm not arguing that Putin is a democrat by any means, so I do not think there is a disagreement there.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 05:45 PM

24. They stated a historical fact

Just because the guy tied with that fact is a dbag....

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 07:44 PM

29. You can smuggle in all sorts of facts.

But the article was not about Stalin. I'm sure German politicians could be compared to Hitler - you could smuggle such a comparison in to just about any article, but it would not mean that it was not a case of implicit editorializing.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 04:21 PM

16. Historical fact nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 06:05 PM

27. Its a historical fact that Putin has killed millions?

Under Stalin there were no opposition parties, newspapers or demonstrations. Putin is a dictator with reference to the American system but not in comparison to Stalin.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 08:13 PM

31. the duaration in office is a simple fact. nt

 

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:27 PM

9. Gee, ya think? Think he'll get his KGB thugbuddies to count the votes again, too?

He's Stalin riding a bear, shirtless...and Stalin had much better hair!

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:30 PM

12. I remember Wes Clark warning us about this back in 2003/2004

The man will be running things until the day he dies whether overtly or covertly.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:37 PM

13. Though it will still be his first term as Dictator/Monarch

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:47 PM

14. In Russia, fourth term seek you

 

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 05:39 PM

22. You're scaring me here. Must know something the rest of us don't...

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 04:23 PM

17. Booooo /nt

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 04:26 PM

18. Just go ahead and call yourself Dictator for Life, hell you already are...

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 04:46 PM

19. Is Comrade Snowden going to be his Campaign Manager? nt

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 05:42 PM

23. He'll have Putin run on the Airport platform. (Mac, wireless, you know. Wouldn't mention the other)

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Response to freshwest (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 05:47 PM

25. Thats funny,,,,,thx

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 05:11 PM

20. And after his 4th term, he will serve as prime minister for 4 years, then run for terms 5 and 6

as president. I assume he is grooming someone to be the next Medvedev in 2022 to serve as interim president for 4 years.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 05:37 PM

21. No, he should be the new Czar of the Holy Russian Empire. Everyone loves Putin!

You can always count on me to *go there* for you. I know some Russians who think it's time to go back to the future. Or the past, as the present is confusing.

Quit fooling around Putin! As we say at the DU, 'I, for one, welcome our new ______ overlords.' Fill in the blank.

Some want Putin as a hero, others don't. I'm neutral on Vladimir, full steam ahead on Barack, totally repelled by Rand.



Michael Praed is someone's hero. He even kept his shirt on, see?

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 06:01 PM

26. Russia's an energy supply region.

It will continue along on this path because of that fact. Same as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, you-name-the-country. If you depend on a single commodity or narrow set of commodities for all your export earnings, then the game is to be the one who owns access to that commodity. That pretty much dictates (no pun intended) the politics, which will be restrictive to dictatorial. Sad because post-Gorbachev there was every reason to think it wouldn't end up this way. Putin deliberately steered the country into this dead end.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #26)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 11:17 PM

33. Economy of Russia.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia

Not dead end at all, but expanding in almost all areas. I've pointed this out to DU'ers multiple times. They are growing. Economic growth tripled under Putin. It's leveled off in 2013 but growth was rapid from 2000 until the global recession in 2008. Crime is down by two thirds.

Across DU peoples perceptions of Putin get in the way of taking a look at the data. Here it is plain to see. US propaganda gets in the way of realist pragmatic thinking I believe. It's quite paradoxical as it is the former Soviet Union we are in reference to.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #33)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:26 PM

35. Did you read your cite????

My point was this: most of their export earnings are made from sales of energy. That makes them an energy supply region.

From your own cite:

Natural resources, especially oil and gas, dominate Russian exports. Oil and gas exports continue to be the main source of hard currency.


That was and is my point, nothing else. I don't care if they have lots and lots of barber shops, beauty salons, ski resorts, or whatever. DOES NOT MATTER IN THE LEAST.
As Putin knows very very well, the only thing that matters is what earns you hard currency.
Consider: the ruble isn't considered one. There's a good reason for that.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #35)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 01:57 AM

38. Also from my own cite: a 3.5 % yearly growth rate in all areas.

 

Exports and Hard Currency are not overall economic growth. Hard Currency just translates as banking and investor faith in the economy for investing. Domestically growth is expanding as those oil and gas dollars make their way into other areas of the economy.

From the same cite:

In Russia, services are the biggest sector of the economy and account for 58 percent of GDP. Within services the most important segments are: wholesale and retail trade, repair of motor vehicles, motorcycles and personal and household goods (17 percent of total GDP); public administration, health and education (12 percent); real estate (9 percent) and transport storage and communications (7 percent). Industry contributes 40 percent to total output. Mining (11 percent of GDP), manufacturing (13 percent) and construction (4 percent) are the most important industry segments. Agriculture accounts for the remaining 2 percent.

The IT market is one of the most dynamic sectors of the Russian economy. Russian software exports have risen from just $120 million in 2000 to $3.3 billion in 2010.

As of 2013, Russians spent 60% of their pre-tax income shopping, the highest percentage in Europe.

Your argument that they depend on oil and gas may have rung true back in 2005 but the economy as a whole has evolved. Many other areas are thriving. Read the full report and not just the part that fits your argument. The report cites 90 new shopping malls.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #38)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:46 AM

39. The only significant part of what you quoted is the software exports.

That is a hopeful thing. The rest doesn't matter.
What matters is how you earn your way in the world. I'm a programmer, so my well-being depends on the supply and demand for IT folks. My wife's a doctor, so her well-being depends on the supply and demand for medicine. Russia makes the majority of its money selling raw materials - mostly oil and gas, but also some minerals - to the rest of the world. Its well being is therefore tied to the supply and demand for raw materials.
The difference with raw materials is they're finite. If you own the access to them, I don't. This is different from any other economic activity. Elon Musk's ability to produce electric cars doesn't hurt Ford's ability to produce them, for instance. Kohler's ability to produce plumbing products doesn't diminish Chicago Faucet's ability to produce them.
Given the finite nature of raw materials, you get an elite who has the access to them, and everyone else. That leads to a restrictive political system, since the politicians have to cater to that elite. Thus, Putin and his monopoly on power. It's less restrictive than the Saudi royal family, but it's still restrictive.
Russia may be a lot better off than Venezuela, say, but that just means Putin's a better manager of the economy.
Not my point. My point is their political system is restrictive because the basis of their economy is restrictive because it's based on something that by its very nature is finite. That's all.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #39)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:59 AM

40. I do understand your point.

 

I have been to Russia 7 times in the last 9 years. I have seen the growth personally with lots of new cars, new shops and new malls. I just don't see it the way a lot of folks here in the the US do. Those jobs are here to stay. They are on the upswing. On my last 3 visits alone I saw a new mega mall in the city of Voronezh each time I came. That's 3 new mega malls in 3 years. One with a full size amusement park inside. I also have seen more and more brand new cars on each subsequent visit. And I'm not talking Skoda's. i'm talking BMW's, Audi's and Lexus's which cost twice as much in Russia as they do in the states. Yet they keep buying them and they pay cash as they have no proper credit system.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 07:41 PM

28. If it's legal and constitutional in Russia, go for it

 

If the people don't want him, they will vote against him.

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Response to Zater (Reply #28)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 08:04 PM

30. Welcome to DU

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Response to Zater (Reply #28)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 09:14 PM

32. Thats right, voting against him should get rid of him!

 

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Response to 7962 (Reply #32)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 05:46 PM

37. Yes it would.

Barring any tinhat theories which are not based on anything, Russia has been moving to the right for a long time and Putin is a product of that, unfortunately.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Sep 19, 2013, 11:29 PM

34. and why shouldnt he?

He protected Saint Eddie and smote the popagandizers of children.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:36 PM

36. That's Russia's affair

Nobody else's.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 01:56 PM

42. Scary

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