Leaders say Mormons cannot condone same-sex marriage
Source: Salt Lake Tribune
Human laws may change to include same-sex marriage, but moral laws don’t, two high-ranking Mormon leaders said Sunday.
God meant marriage for a man and a woman, they said. Anything else is sin.
On the second and final day of the LDS Church’s 183rd Semiannual General Conference, apostle Dallin H. Oaks bemoaned America’s dropping birthrates, later marriages and rising incidence of cohabitation as evidence of "political and social pressures for legal and policy changes to establish behaviors contrary to God’s decrees about sexual morality and the eternal nature and purposes of marriage and child-bearing."
... An LDS eternal perspective does not allow Mormons "to condone such behaviors or to find justification in the laws that permit them," said the apostle, a former Utah Supreme Court justice. "And, unlike other organizations that can change their policies and even their doctrines, our policies are determined by the truths God has declared to be unchangeable."
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coldmountain
(802 posts)It would seem the Mormons should have very little to criticize about others marriages.
Skittles
(171,717 posts)f*** them
diabeticman
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Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)
liberalmuse
(18,881 posts)Yes, I was a Mormon, and lived in SLC and know that "Stepford Wives" doesn't even begin to cover the fasod that is the Mormon church. They really need to clean house in SLC before issuing directives like this.
We're close to a tipping point, and as soon as gay marriage is accepted in a dozen more states, and more and more people shake their heads at homophobia, they'll come around. I clearly remember them doing so in the 1980's with their racist policy of not allowing blacks to hold the Priesthood. Even as a kid, I knew this was racist, but was so brainwashed that the only thing I did was argue with Sunday School teachers and ask them over and over again, why? I finally walked out when I was 15 or 16 and never went back.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:20 AM - Edit history (1)
And do they not READ the bible. it's filled with all sorts of wacky marital hooks ups
Woman and Rapist
Woman + Concubine and Man
Slave +Man
Woman +Slave+ Concubine and Man
Man +Woman, man Dies Woman + Brother inlaw
and more
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)Leviticus 18.7-9 tell you:
7: Don't fuck your own mother
8: Don't fuck your father's wife
9: Don't fuck either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter.
18.7 is self explanatory. And 18.8 is understandable in the context that polygamy was widely practiced then...but 18.9? Did women have multiple husbands?
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)My life has become far less complicated
I often had to mentally wrestle with myself to figure out how to read the horrible stuff in the bible, and see what man does in the name of God and religion and still call it all good. All while having feelings that were in direct contridiction to what I was reading.
Now that I am not trying to find belief or deeper meanings in the bible, or trying to figure out how it all applys to my life. it's actually easier to read and understand it. I understand it's just a made up jumble of sentences put together in the hope of controlling the masses.
defacto7
(14,162 posts)The Book of Mormon.
The old testament is updated by the new testament and they are both topped off by The Book of Mormon.
No, women do not have multiple husbands in the Mormon church.
LuvNewcastle
(17,821 posts)The Bible would be a lot more fun to read if it said things like, "Don't fuck your mother." 
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)If you were to remove all the smiting, the historical texts (like Nehemiah), and all the "I am the Lord" justification for not doing anything your minister doesn't like, and also the things that are definitely outdated (the entirety of Leviticus 11, for example), you could get the whole Bible down to a hundred pages.
pinto
(106,886 posts)We have a church / state separation standard for a reason. Their doctrine doesn't supersede that.
The CCC
(463 posts)That has nothing to do with the separation of church and state. LDS Members whom live in the US have every right to petition the government for a redress of grievances like every other citizen.
defacto7
(14,162 posts)The big new NSA operation of massive proportion is in Utah south of Salt Lake City. Utah as the location for the new facility was chosen because of Utah's, "great patriotism!". That area of Utah and most of it's surrounding area is 99% Mormon.
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)Trust me on this: they bought the cheapest level land they could possibly find to put this on. If the land that met that description was between a nudist colony and a Church of Satan compound, a whole shitload of naked devil worshippers would be running the data center.
defacto7
(14,162 posts)That's not a cheep area, it's on the outskirts of one of the fastest growing upscale population areas in the state and the Mormons have kept a reign on real estate values throughout the whole recession pouring billions of their church funds into the real estate market to hold up their own property values. While the rest of the country's real estate was crashing, Utah's Mormon properties hardly saw a blip. If they bought cheep, it's for other reasons than it being cheep; it's because the Mormons wanted to solidify their position in it's well known stealth and influence. Trust me on this: they have a hell of a lot of influence.
I live about 20 miles from that site. The Mormon church has been a huge "practically anonymous" force in the US government for many years. George Jr. visited the Mormon Prophet and presidents in person to discuss "things" during his time in office, as have other recent US presidents. Trust me on this: I am in the middle of the Mormon thing... literally.
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)I can't stop laughing.
La Lioness Priyanka
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Deep13
(39,157 posts)The only thing I agree with less than Mormonism, Christianity generally, Islam, or Judaism would laws that restrict the civil rights of those groups. I'm sure there are a lot of decent Mormons in the world. The ones running their church, however, are not among them.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)
defacto7
(14,162 posts)Deep13
(39,157 posts)They altered that view to accept civil rights about 50 years ago. Changing dogma to conform to evidence is a bad precedent. After all, we would not want to do anything to make that church compatible with modernity and prolong its existence.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Deep13
(39,157 posts)Response to Deep13 (Reply #12)
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cynatnite
(31,011 posts)The CCC
(463 posts)Nope.
jsr
(7,712 posts)"our policies are determined by the truths God has declared to be unchangeable"
defacto7
(14,162 posts)politically and spiritually speaking of course. They reason that God (and they) didn't change anything. It was just God's time to add Blacks to the church and forgive their crimes against God's people in the past when God had to turn them Black as a curse.
The CCC
(463 posts)Never part of LDS doctrine.
FreeState
(10,702 posts)The prophet is the only person in the church that is allowed to receive revelation that pertains to every member of the church.
"As members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we are blessed to be led by living prophets—inspired men called to speak for the Lord, as did Moses, Isaiah, Peter, Paul, Nephi, Mormon, and other prophets of the scriptures. We sustain the President of the Church as prophet, seer, and revelator—the only person on the earth who receives revelation to guide the entire Church. We also sustain the counselors in the First Presidency and the members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators."
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=c6549c57af139010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
defacto7
(14,162 posts)But that is this atheists point of view on the LDS church. I really don't care about Mormon official doctrine except where it crosses the line into politics and undermines civil human rights of Mormons and non-Mormons alike. Then I call it as I see it.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)
Fearless
(18,458 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)menstruating women aren't allowed indoors, and we're not supposed to wear cotton/poly blends.
I wonder if any Mormon followed those? I doubt it!
The CCC
(463 posts)The LDS don't follow Leviticus.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)DallasNE
(8,008 posts)Are not those "truths" really things man has declared in the name of God, such as the 10 Commandments.
And did not the Mormon Church once declare that polygamy was one of those truths. How unchangeable was that? I also find his phrasing is odd when he says "God meant marriage for a man and a woman". Why would he say it that way unless he still harbors the notion that polygamy is not a sin. After all, he did not say "God meant marriage to be between one man and one woman". This is not a slip of the tongue. After all apostle Dallin H. Oaks is a former Utah Supreme Court Justice. One of the truths is that God has created homosexual Mormons so has God created sin? That seems to be what Oaks is saying. This is the problem when men declare things in the name of God and someone comes along and declares them to be unchangeable. It sets up indefensible positions, making people look rather foolish.
dougolat
(716 posts)Loudly
(2,436 posts)You can be a Mormon,
A Mormon who just believes!
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blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)and another woman,
and another woman,
and another woman,
and another woman,
and another woman,
and another woman,
and another woman,
and another woman,
.....
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Some days it's just draining.
-p
alp227
(33,283 posts)There's an LDS Institute of Religion one block from my college. LDS missionaries are always around campus handing out flyers promoting the Institute's proselytizing events. Their ideas are becoming outdated, and they're desperate for impressionable, programmable young people.
MFM008
(20,042 posts)Mormon specialty. We dont care what you think. Get with the forward movement of civilization.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Instead of being killed by the people he conned, he'd probably be safely sitting in a cell next Bernie Madoff.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)They don't have to any more than my racist great-grandmother had to condone interracial marriage. That's the beauty of it: they can "not condone" it all they want, and nobody is stopping them.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Dallin Harris Oaks is an American attorney, jurist, author, professor, public speaker, and religious leader. Since 1984, he has been a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Politicub
(12,328 posts)Fuck them. Lunatics.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)
Wolf Frankula
(3,835 posts)Remember how they denied Pepsi to their followers. Then the Church owned a lot of Pepsi stock. Suddenly Pepsi was allowed to Mormons.
If somebody finds a way to make money out of same sex marriage, the Church will buy stock in it. Suddenly Same Sex marriage will be moral.
Wolf